I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive with better tuners? Are they that much more precise? Also, where would I purchase them? I'm assuming this might be a job for my guitar repair guy but I thought I'd ask all of you what experience you've had with tuners or upgrading to Rodgers tuners?
> I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My > guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the > tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive > with better tuners? Are they that much more precise?
In my experience, Gotoh makes some good tuners--but I don't know about the full range of Gotoh models. Do your tuners turn easily, but with enough resistance to make precise tuning possible? Do they have slack in them? Do they slip downward in pitch? Do they turn slowly enough (have a high enough gear ratio) to make precise tuning easy? Are you conscious of any other tuner problems? If the answers to these questions are 'yes, no, no, yes, no' then you don't need new tuners.
>Also, where would > I purchase them?
Armin Kelly at http://www.guitars-int.com sells them. Click on accessories. They're not cheap. You can get perfectly serviceable tuners for a lot less. But when I get around to replacing the wrecked Landstorfers on my favorite classical, I might go Rodgers. You know, buy it some nice jewelry. Google for the Rodgers site. They've got nice photos and a lot of different designs.
> > I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My > > guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the > > tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive > > with better tuners? Are they that much more precise?
> In my experience, Gotoh makes some good tuners--but I don't know about > the full range of Gotoh models. Do your tuners turn easily, but with > enough resistance to make precise tuning possible? Do they have slack > in them? Do they slip downward in pitch? Do they turn slowly enough > (have a high enough gear ratio) to make precise tuning easy? Are you > conscious of any other tuner problems? If the answers to these > questions are 'yes, no, no, yes, no' then you don't need new tuners.
> >Also, where would > > I purchase them?
> Armin Kelly at http://www.guitars-int.com sells them. Click on > accessories. They're not cheap. You can get perfectly serviceable > tuners for a lot less. But when I get around to replacing the wrecked > Landstorfers on my favorite classical, I might go Rodgers. You know, > buy it some nice jewelry. Google for the Rodgers site. They've got > nice photos and a lot of different designs.
> RNJ
Richard,
Why not send your Landstorfers, to Karl Reichel? They guarantee them for life and will repair them at minimal cost. Richard Spross
Rodgers have the best esthetic but not the best performance. Gilbert tuners have superior performance far exceeding that of Rodgers. GIlbert's have a modern appearance, Rodgers are more traditional. If you want eye candy go Rodgers, if you want high performance go Gilbert.
Gotoh($150) makes a nice Rodgers copy if you don't want to pay $600 for Rodgers. There are many types of Gotohs. What do you have?
I tried buying a set of Reischl's directly from Klaus Reischl in Munchen. I;'m located in southern California. He politely refused, saying he has an exclusive arrangement with Guitar Salon International to sell them in the U.S. Unfortunately, Guitar Salon's price is 2-3 times higher than buying them directly from Reischl.
Mark
"David Schramm" <ddschr...@attbi.com> wrote in message
Mark Westling wrote: > I tried buying a set of Reischl's directly from Klaus Reischl in Munchen. > I;'m located in southern California. > He politely refused, saying he has an exclusive arrangement with Guitar > Salon International to sell them in the U.S. > Unfortunately, Guitar Salon's price is 2-3 times higher than buying them > directly from Reischl.
> Mark
> "David Schramm" <ddschr...@attbi.com> wrote in message > news:s2wm9.6309$Pz.12097@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net... > > > Why not send your Landstorfers, to Karl Reichel? They guarantee them for > > life and will repair > > > them at minimal cost.
> > Good idea. > > Klaus Reischl > > Senserstr. 7 > > 8000 Munchen 70 > > Germany
That may pertain to selling, but what I'm speaking about is Reischl's guarantee policy and if the tuners were purchased from a third party with no connection to GSI I should wonder why he would have any qualms about honoring his guarantee, especially since as I understand it GSI doesn't deal with repair considerations on his tuners.
Thanks a bunch for the info! I do have Gotoh tuners on my Ruck which are beautiful but appear perhaps to be slipping a little more than I would care for. How big a job is it to change the tuners? Although the Rodgers do look incredibly beautiful, perhaps the Gilbert tuners would give the best precision as you say. They're also pretty darn cool looking!
Best regards to all,
Phil H.
butIn article <SWvm9.4847$PP.9611@rwcrnsc53>, David Schramm
<ddschr...@attbi.com> wrote: > Rodgers have the best esthetic but not the best performance. Gilbert tuners > have superior performance far exceeding that of Rodgers. GIlbert's have a > modern appearance, Rodgers are more traditional. If you want eye candy go > Rodgers, if you want high performance go Gilbert.
> Gotoh($150) makes a nice Rodgers copy if you don't want to pay $600 for > Rodgers. There are many types of Gotohs. What do you have?
> Thanks a bunch for the info! I do have Gotoh tuners on my Ruck which > are beautiful but appear perhaps to be slipping a little more than I > would care for. How big a job is it to change the tuners? Although the > Rodgers do look incredibly beautiful, perhaps the Gilbert tuners would > give the best precision as you say. They're also pretty darn cool > looking!
> Best regards to all,
> Phil H.
> butIn article <SWvm9.4847$PP.9611@rwcrnsc53>, David Schramm > <ddschr...@attbi.com> wrote:
> > Rodgers have the best esthetic but not the best performance. Gilbert tuners > > have superior performance far exceeding that of Rodgers. GIlbert's have a > > modern appearance, Rodgers are more traditional. If you want eye candy go > > Rodgers, if you want high performance go Gilbert.
> > Gotoh($150) makes a nice Rodgers copy if you don't want to pay $600 for > > Rodgers. There are many types of Gotohs. What do you have?
> Nobody mentioned the Sloane tuners? I have friend who put them on his Contreras > and he loved them. Available through
Sloanes are nice and mechanically work just as good as the Hauser/Schaller tuners($40). Unfortunately the hole spacing is not consistent and you could have problems. I heard they are trying to fix that problem. Also the rollers are made of a plastic that is too hard and brittle. The rollers are known for cracking. It would be nice if they made some real MOP knobs.
I got Sloan at one point and ended up returning them. When I strung my guitar for the first time with them just installed they were inconsistent. Two (one on each side) felt good for about half a turn and then real stiff and hard to turn.
IS.
"David Schramm" <ddschr...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > Nobody mentioned the Sloane tuners? I have friend who put them on his > Contreras > > and he loved them. Available through
> Sloanes are nice and mechanically work just as good as the Hauser/Schaller > tuners($40). Unfortunately the hole spacing is not consistent and you could > have problems. I heard they are trying to fix that problem. Also the rollers > are made of a plastic that is too hard and brittle. The rollers are known > for cracking. It would be nice if they made some real MOP knobs.
Paul McGuffin wrote: > >I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners.
> Maybe the best looking and the highest price. But, for operation, Gilbert's are > hands down the best. > (opinion)
Maybe so, but those Gilbert Tuners are the ugliest I have seen. This is what you get from a former tool design engineer (I can say this because I'm an engineer).
But seriously, many of the traditional tuners (Rogers, Fustero, old Landstorfer's, e. g.) are absolutely beautiful "works of art." The Gilbert Tuners are very "industrial looking."
Rodgers are the Rolex of tuning machines. Can you get and stay in tune with something way cheaper? Sure. Can you play the Aranjuez Concerto on a plywood student guitar? Sure. Can you tell time with a $15.00 watch? Sure. I personally have never felt that money spent on Rodgers tuners was money poorly spent. They're just fantastic and I love having them on my guitar. Phil, check with Billy Arcila at LA Classical Guitars. www.lacg.net. He just got an order of four sets. I haven't seen them yet, but he tells me they're spectacular. I don't think you'd ever be sorry. Joe
> I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My > guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the > tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive > with better tuners? Are they that much more precise? Also, where would > I purchase them? I'm assuming this might be a job for my guitar repair > guy but I thought I'd ask all of you what experience you've had with > tuners or upgrading to Rodgers tuners?
Oh, yeah. I wanted to add that I had a set of Gilberts on a guitar and one of the buttons came unglued from the shaft during a recording session. I could no longer tune the G string and had to call a friend to bring me another guitar to finish the session much to the dismay of the rest of the group and the producer, and the arranger, and the client, etc. etc.. Yeah, yeah...I know, Gilbert's fixed the problem, etc. etc. and sent me another set of tuners, etc. etc. But it happened. This would never, ever, ever happen with a set of Rodgers. Joe
> I keep noticing Rodgers tuners being spoken of as the best tuners. My > guitar has Gotoh tuners which seem to be a step up from some of the > tuners I've had on previous instruments. What benefit would I derive > with better tuners? Are they that much more precise? Also, where would > I purchase them? I'm assuming this might be a job for my guitar repair > guy but I thought I'd ask all of you what experience you've had with > tuners or upgrading to Rodgers tuners?
Joe Jewell wrote: > Oh, yeah. I wanted to add that I had a set of Gilberts on a guitar and one > of the buttons came unglued from the shaft during a recording session. I > could no longer tune the G string and had to call a friend to bring me > another guitar to finish the session much to the dismay of the rest of the > group and the producer, and the arranger, and the client, etc. etc.. Yeah, > yeah...I know, Gilbert's fixed the problem, etc. etc. and sent me another > set of tuners, etc. etc. But it happened. This would never, ever, ever > happen with a set of Rodgers. > Joe
And by the way, if you order them from him direct, he will make the roller spacing according to your measurements. In other words custom and perfect.
As usual thanks so much to all who have posted, it is truly appreciated. My tuners on my Ruck (I'm assuming they are Gotoh as this is what he usually uses) are very beautiful indeed and appear to work quite smoothly.... definitely better than those on my Ramirez, however I'm noticing quite a bit of slippage. The strings on my Ruck are quite old... I do not know how old as I have just purchased the guitar. I've held off on changing them as I'm going to have a little adjustment done to the guitar but I'm wondering if perhaps the age of the strings may have something to do with it. I know very little about tuners, so I appreciate any insight. Forgive my ignorance, but here's a few questions.
1) How much slippage on a daily basis is normal?
2) Are the age of the strings (quite old) a factor?
3) Besides the sheer beauty of the Rodgers or utilitarian beauty of some of the others, what benefit might I derive from the upgrade?
4) I'm assuming I should have the tuner upgrade done by my guitar repair guy... or is it something I could do myself?
Thanks so very very much for all of your help!
Best regards,
Phil H.
As always, e-mail to philhh at yahoo.com
In article <3D9D2AE9.70E17...@pacbell.net>, Richard Spross
> > Oh, yeah. I wanted to add that I had a set of Gilberts on a guitar and one > > of the buttons came unglued from the shaft during a recording session. I > > could no longer tune the G string and had to call a friend to bring me > > another guitar to finish the session much to the dismay of the rest of the > > group and the producer, and the arranger, and the client, etc. etc.. Yeah, > > yeah...I know, Gilbert's fixed the problem, etc. etc. and sent me another > > set of tuners, etc. etc. But it happened. This would never, ever, ever > > happen with a set of Rodgers. > > Joe
> And by the way, if you order them from him direct, he will make the roller > spacing according to your measurements. > In other words custom and perfect.
Ruck uses the Gotoh Rodgers copy tuners on his guitars. My teacher took his Gotohs off & put Rodgers on, purely for the 'jewelry factor'. They are more precise in their action than the Gotoh, but only very slightly. I bought the Gotoh from him and they work perfectly. Even cheap Schallers don't slip. Change the strings. If one gear is slipping, fix it.
> As usual thanks so much to all who have posted, it is truly > appreciated. My tuners on my Ruck (I'm assuming they are Gotoh as this > is what he usually uses) are very beautiful indeed and appear to work > quite smoothly.... definitely better than those on my Ramirez, however > I'm noticing quite a bit of slippage. The strings on my Ruck are quite > old... I do not know how old as I have just purchased the guitar. I've > held off on changing them as I'm going to have a little adjustment done > to the guitar but I'm wondering if perhaps the age of the strings may > have something to do with it. I know very little about tuners, so I > appreciate any insight. Forgive my ignorance, but here's a few > questions.
> 1) How much slippage on a daily basis is normal?
> 2) Are the age of the strings (quite old) a factor?
> 3) Besides the sheer beauty of the Rodgers or utilitarian beauty of > some of the others, what benefit might I derive from the upgrade?
> 4) I'm assuming I should have the tuner upgrade done by my guitar > repair guy... or is it something I could do myself?
> Thanks so very very much for all of your help!
> Best regards,
> Phil H.
> As always, e-mail to philhh at yahoo.com
> In article <3D9D2AE9.70E17...@pacbell.net>, Richard Spross > <rcspr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > Joe Jewell wrote:
> > > Oh, yeah. I wanted to add that I had a set of Gilberts on a guitar and one > > > of the buttons came unglued from the shaft during a recording session. I > > > could no longer tune the G string and had to call a friend to bring me > > > another guitar to finish the session much to the dismay of the rest of the > > > group and the producer, and the arranger, and the client, etc. etc.. Yeah, > > > yeah...I know, Gilbert's fixed the problem, etc. etc. and sent me another > > > set of tuners, etc. etc. But it happened. This would never, ever, ever > > > happen with a set of Rodgers. > > > Joe
> > And by the way, if you order them from him direct, he will make the roller > > spacing according to your measurements. > > In other words custom and perfect.
> Phil, check with Billy Arcila at LA Classical Guitars. www.lacg.net. He > just got an order of four sets. I haven't seen them yet, but he tells me > they're spectacular. I don't think you'd ever be sorry.
According to Rodgers Tuners they do not give a discount to anyone no matter what the quantity so you would pay the same price as Billy if you order them directly from Rodgers.
