On Oct 9, 9:46 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:05:14 PM UTC-7, wollybird wrote:
> > Except for the primacy of the pope, which is kind of a basic thing in
> > the church
> Your catechesis was woefully deficient. Sadly, this is now typical.
> Insofar as a pope preserves the deposit of faith, he's to be obeyed. But as Sts. Athanasius and Bellarmine showed, when a pope teaches error, he must be resisted. Also see the example of St. Paul in Galatians ch. 2 and Acts ch. 5. Therefore, when a pope teaches the errors of Vatican II - including its ecumenism, collegiality, religious liberty, anthropocentrism, and lust for novelty - he must be resisted insofar as those errors are concerned. For the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.
> By the way, it isn't surprising that you're no longer Catholic (if you ever were). If I too had been raised on Vatican II sentimentalist slop, I couldn't have stomached it either.
> Read the Catechism of the Council of Trent immediately. Also Romano Amerio's Iota Unam. Along with Abp. Lefebvre's Open Letter to Confused Catholics. Get real.
Of course I was a Catholic. I was confirmed after reaching the age of
consent. As far as the primacy of the pope, the explanation went like
this:
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/papal_primacy.htm Jackson, you strike me as a protestant. I think an exorcism is in
order.
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:09:11 AM UTC-7, Dick Cheney wrote:
> On Oct 9, 9:46 pm, "Alphonsus Jr." <alphonsu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:05:14 PM UTC-7, wollybird wrote:
> > > Except for the primacy of the pope, which is kind of a basic thing in
> > > the church
> > Your catechesis was woefully deficient. Sadly, this is now typical.
> > Insofar as a pope preserves the deposit of faith, he's to be obeyed. But as Sts. Athanasius and Bellarmine showed, when a pope teaches error, he must be resisted. Also see the example of St. Paul in Galatians ch. 2 and Acts ch. 5. Therefore, when a pope teaches the errors of Vatican II - including its ecumenism, collegiality, religious liberty, anthropocentrism, and lust for novelty - he must be resisted insofar as those errors are concerned. For the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.
> > By the way, it isn't surprising that you're no longer Catholic (if you ever were). If I too had been raised on Vatican II sentimentalist slop, I couldn't have stomached it either.
> > Read the Catechism of the Council of Trent immediately. Also Romano Amerio's Iota Unam. Along with Abp. Lefebvre's Open Letter to Confused Catholics. Get real.
> Of course I was a Catholic. I was confirmed after reaching the age of
> consent. As far as the primacy of the pope, the explanation went like
> Jackson, you strike me as a protestant. I think an exorcism is in
> order.
Again, when our duties to God and man conflict, we must choose God. See St. Paul's example in Galatians ch. 2 and Acts ch. 5, wherein he resisted the errors of St. Peter. Also see the examples of St. Athanasius and St. Bellarmine.
One of the devil's greatest tricks today is to use exhortations to obedience as a tool to cause apostasy. The fiend is succeeding spectacularly among today's "conservatives." Their obedience to the errors of Vatican II is taking them straight off the cliff, having forgotten that the supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.
>> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>> age-
> Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's > like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know > the special procedures to be one.
The Catholics should have never used Lucas electronic systems.
> It was shocking for me to see my wife do that little curtsy thing when > we ventured into a church. I think she was trying to sneak that one past > me but I saw it alright. I never saw any of that religious stuff when we > were a-courtin'. I thought "what next?" Maybe she was going to put on a > white hood and set fire to a cross in somebody's yard...
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:13:35 PM UTC-4, John Sorell wrote:
> > Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's
> > like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know > > the special procedures to be one.
> The Catholics should have never used Lucas electronic systems.
And always demand your old parts back from your priest.
>>> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>>> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>>> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>>> age-
>> Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's
>> like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know
>> the special procedures to be one.
> The Catholics should have never used Lucas electronic systems.
> Mr. Goodwrench
My BLMC 1300 had a horn that was operated by pushing the handle of the turn signal towards the horn stalk. Possibly, it was designed by Catholics. This means that in emergencies where you needed to use the horn, you'd be pressing on the center of the steering wheel like a scared little girl squeezing on her dolly. The prince of darkness would be pleased.
>> It was shocking for me to see my wife do that little curtsy thing when
>> we ventured into a church. I think she was trying to sneak that one
> past
>> me but I saw it alright. I never saw any of that religious stuff when
> we
>> were a-courtin'. I thought "what next?" Maybe she was going to put on a
>> white hood and set fire to a cross in somebody's yard...
> On 10/10/2012 7:13 AM, John Sorell wrote:
>> dsi1 <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in news:k52j3c$87c$1
@dont-
>> email.me:
>>> On 10/9/2012 1:47 PM, wollybird wrote:
>>>> I was raised Catholic. Both of my parents are staunch Catholics I went
>>>> to a Catholic school. Catechism and church were daily activities. I'm
>>>> not a theologian- but this is basic stuff I was taught from an early
>>>> age-
>>> Catholicism is the most tricky and technical of all the religions. It's
>>> like being a Jaguar mechanic - you need special tools and have to know
>>> the special procedures to be one.
>> The Catholics should have never used Lucas electronic systems.
>> Mr. Goodwrench
> My BLMC 1300 had a horn that was operated by pushing the handle of the > turn signal towards the horn stalk. Possibly, it was designed by > Catholics. This means that in emergencies where you needed to use the > horn, you'd be pressing on the center of the steering wheel like a > scared little girl squeezing on her dolly. The prince of darkness would > be pleased.
>>> It was shocking for me to see my wife do that little curtsy thing when
>>> we ventured into a church. I think she was trying to sneak that one
>> past
>>> me but I saw it alright. I never saw any of that religious stuff when
>> we
>>> were a-courtin'. I thought "what next?" Maybe she was going to put on a
>>> white hood and set fire to a cross in somebody's yard...
I didn't read the whole thing, but yes we went from venerating
Giuseppe Sarto to the parish priest (Father Tom) porking one of the
congregants. I 'm not sure how much Vatican II had to do with it.
By the way Happy 50th anniversary of Vatican II
> > > > > > Behold the frequent use of class rhetoric, thus stirring up
> > > > > > resentment. This vice, rooted in the capital sin of envy, is very
> > > > > > powerful. Mond knows this, of course. Such is demagoguery.
> > > > > It's scary! A few years back I would have had the urge to make some
> > > > > snide comment to your posts, but I feel vey indifferent now on who
> > > > > will get elected this November. Don't get me wrong! I still think this
> > > > > is the greatest country with plenty of opportunities for those who
> > > > > seek. But somehow, I started to realize that there is more chance one
> > > > > would get screwed by than get help from big brothers, regardless of
> > > > > what country on lives in. I think I'm getting more and more cynical -
> > > > > must be part of the aging process. Dang, that's depressing!
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > John
> > > > It's something in the water. Old Americans just watch more Fox,
> > > > complain more about taxes, and demand the government be dismantled in
> > > > proportion to the amount of Medicare, Social Security, and government
> > > > pensions they receive. And they start to really like buffets.- Hide quoted text -
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > Actually, the fact check is the most depressing, as it shows everyone
> > > lies through their teeth, equally on both sides! Somehow the
> > > credibility is not there anymore.
> > In the simplistic fairy tales of Fox News and whatever equivalent
> > mouthpieces of the Democrats, there at least exists a solution--vote
> > out the other guys, etc. and everything will be set aright. Our
> > society craves quick fixes and easy answers. But beyond the big-time
> > politically-enabled heists like the bailouts, the wars, the
> > Clearchannel giveaways, etc., the level of trust seems to be worse
> > even for individuals. It seems to me that people are ruder, more
> > dishonest, and more mercenary, even on a personal level, than had been
> > the case. It must be a result of anomie, weak social bonds, and the
> > destruction of community. Who can fault Jackson for yearning for the
> > good old days of the Church, when everyone knew their places?- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> I think the lack of common goal could be a problem. It's just too much
> disinformation and propaganda that confuses the heck out of everyone.
> I lived under the communist regime for a few years and I used to think
> they were the worst in that department! But now I think they have
> serious competitors.
> I'm not sure how this situation can be fixed. Who are you going to
> trust? The one who lies less?
> By the way, one quick fix for lack of common goal is to start a war to
> entice a sense of patriotism, at least from the beginning. Isn't it
> scary?
> Cheers,
> John
John, War sucks in all other ways than unifying.
On the other hand, the people could rise up against their corporate overlords.
This would be a start.
https://movetoamend.org/
> John,
> War sucks in all other ways than unifying.
> On the other hand, the people could rise up against their corporate overlords.
> This would be a start.
> https://movetoamend.org/
If Romney gets to be president and tries to get old folks to buck up and get a job and start paying taxes and flushes universal health care down the crapper and tries to take away a women's right to her womb and sets the dogs of wall street loose we'll see a war alright. It's going to be like Pearl Harbor and 9/11 all over again. It'll be a hot time in the old town tonight. Oh boy!
> John,
> War sucks in all other ways than unifying.
> On the other hand, the people could rise up against their corporate overlords.
> This would be a start.
> https://movetoamend.org/
Now check this out, Ohio republicans are playing dirty pool, signatures needed:
Dear Friend,
With razor thin margins predicted in Ohio, the state's Republican
Secretary of State took steps this weekend to modify vote counting
procedures in a way that could invalidate thousands of provisional
ballots.
Previously, it was the responsibility of trained election workers to
record identification information presented by voters who submit
provisional ballots. But now Secretary of State John Husted has put that
burden on voters to record this information (which can often be confusing
to identify) on their provisional ballots -- paving the way for a
significant number of ballots to be thrown out due to recording errors
even though the voter presented a valid ID that was accepted by the
pollworker.
