[OT] Jazz: Why?
Sum1
such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
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<Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
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My alarm clock radio is tuned to NPR. It goes off at 6:00 every morning.
It always manages to go off at the crescendo of some really bright, flashy
brass run.
Yes, it's the morning jazz show. It's followed by the "Morning Edition."
Then the 9-12 jazz show. Then a few more minutes of news. Then the
12:30-4:00 jazz show. Then "All Things Considered." Then "Fresh Air."
Then the 8-midnight jazz show. (On weekends, there's opera and "The
Thistle and Shamrock" shoehorned in between the jazz shows.)
Now, it may just be that jazz is the first thing I hear when I am blasted
from my peaceful slumber into a harsh, uncaring reality every morning, but
I, like Johnny, HATE JAZZ*. Shattered dreams, indeed.
I have listened to jazz. I have heard people speak glowingly of jazz
musicians. (At least twenty minutes of each "Morning Edition" must be
devoted to some jazz legend who played sessions with Dizzy Gillespie and
Thelonius Monk and Tiny Tim.) I have heard jazz musicians interviewed on
"Fresh Air" and listened to explanations of music theory and why jazz is
Really Good.
Still, I can't stand it.
Is it the endless runs up and down the scales? Is it the constant time
shifts, something that doesn't really endear prog metal to me either,
except for a short time back in the early 90's? Is it the noodling,
emotionless quality I hear in so much of it; musicians showing their chops
just because they have them? (And have I just been listening to the wrong
stuff?)
And is there any being on earth with less reason to exist than a jazz
singer? Scooby dooby bop a loodle de day ee ay ee ay ee ay skip dop mop mip
lip dip mmm ooo dot mmm ooo dot SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!
Still, I understand that there are a great many people who like jazz; who
grew up listening to the kind of stuff I grew up listening to and have
rejected all of that in favor of jazz. On "Morning Edition" this morning,
they interviewed a former punk-rocker who'd liked the work of certain
bass-player -- Henry or Harry Grimes, IIRC -- so much that he'd stopped
dyeing his hair green. Writers from George F. Will to Harlan Ellison have
written columns praising jazz, and it's been called one of the few
genuinely American contributions to the world of art.
(And, at this juncture, I'll admit a certain fondness for muted,
understated piano jazz *without any vocals*; the Vince Guaraldi Trio is
fine in my book.)
So why do I hate it so? Or, at least, why do I loathe so much of it?
And please; please please please please... if there's ANYBODY out there
who's a fan of it, and can tell me why I should like it in such a way that
opens my ears and allows me to enjoy what's screaming out of my alarm clock
every morning... golly, I'd sure appreciate that.
Steve Tilson
--
"It's like I tell the kids: Quitters never win, and don't trust whitey."
- Family Guy
C'Pi
> You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in
> anticipation of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup.
> Heads up!
You suck.
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C'Pi
Do you want to touch my monkey?
Touch my monkey!!
Touch him! Love him!
m b nelms
kind of music you do like. However, your criticisms are pretty far off the
mark. I don't hear a 'noodling, emotionless quality' in Miles Davis, or
Dexter Gordon, or Thelonious Monk, or Duke Ellington, and certainly Billie
Holiday had plenty of reason to sing, and she didn't scat at all.
When you say you've listened to Jazz, what artists? What recordings?
Furthermore, what do you want out of music in the first place?
I also question people whose attitude toward an art is confrontational from
the 'git go'. It may be that you have already decided that you will not like
it no matter what, and you have simply decided to be amused by attempts to
persuade you.
I had a similar attitude about opera for years. Then I actually listened to
it (after studying its history). I don't like all opera (or all Jazz), but
I've found some opera I like very much.
C'Pi
> You dislike of Jazz would be more easily grasped if I had an idea of
> what kind of music you do like. However, your criticisms are pretty
> far off the mark. I don't hear a 'noodling, emotionless quality' in
> Miles Davis, or Dexter Gordon, or Thelonious Monk, or Duke Ellington,
> and certainly Billie Holiday had plenty of reason to sing, and she
> didn't scat at all.
>
> When you say you've listened to Jazz, what artists? What recordings?
> Furthermore, what do you want out of music in the first place?
>
> I also question people whose attitude toward an art is
> confrontational from the 'git go'. It may be that you have already
> decided that you will not like it no matter what, and you have simply
> decided to be amused by attempts to persuade you.
>
> I had a similar attitude about opera for years. Then I actually
> listened to it (after studying its history). I don't like all opera
> (or all Jazz), but I've found some opera I like very much.
You suck, too.
Rich Handley
>You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in anticipation of
>such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
Never do that.
Sum1
"C'Pi" <jas...@noyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sum1 wrote:
> > You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in
> > anticipation of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup.
> > Heads up!
>
> You suck.
Everyone at one time or another sucks something.
Gerry Scott-Moore
<nine...@sanmarcos.net> wrote:
> You dislike of Jazz would be more easily grasped if I had an idea of what
> kind of music you do like. However, your criticisms are pretty far off the
> mark. I don't hear a 'noodling, emotionless quality' in Miles Davis, or
> Dexter Gordon, or Thelonious Monk, or Duke Ellington, and certainly Billie
> Holiday had plenty of reason to sing, and she didn't scat at all.
There's no inherent reasons folks have to like jazz. I'd turn off the
radio if I listend to 10 hours a day of something I don't like. Which
makes me discard the idea that any straight-thinking person is really
doing this.
I've heard jazz lambasted with the word "noodling" many times. It
sounds to these listeners like aimless unrelated notes. Jazz asks that
a listener follow the inherent logic, and if you can't follow it, it
doesn't mean it's not there. I've asked people to listen to something
and tell me when phrases begin and end. And with such aspects obvious
and apparent, they don't recognize them.
There is a similar kind of thinking that all modern poetry is just an
aimless "jumble of words", that all abstract painting is just a aimless
slopping of paint. It's not a matter of liking or disliking, it's a
matter of understanding what you are seeing or hearing.
The reason the OT sets us up by saying he listens to lots and lots of
jazz is to disarm the idea that they are not familiar enough with it.
As if saying since you live in a library you know all you need to know
about Hemingway and Faulkner.
Being in the room with music doesn't mean you're actively listening to
it, or even capable of actively listening to it. Such listening is
pretty intuitive. But not every can and will get abstract art. And all
instrumental music is, by definition, abstract art.
My guess is the reason this person doesn't like it is because they
don't know how to listen.
--
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C'Pi
So far you suck the most.
Rich Handley
>> You suck.
>Everyone at one time or another sucks something.
For which I am eternally grateful.
ric
> news:20030526093119.262$d...@newsreader.com...
> And please; please please please please... if there's ANYBODY out there
> who's a fan of it, and can tell me why I should like it in such a way that
> opens my ears and allows me to enjoy what's screaming out of my alarm clock
> every morning... golly, I'd sure appreciate that.
>
> Steve Tilson
Steve....change the station on your clock radio.
Sum1
"Rich Handley" <rhan...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Do what?
Steve...@rightbehindyou.com
> You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in anticipation
> of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
>
Shit.
If I didn't know better, I'd say you were purposely using my post to troll.
I wrote that in the place that I wrote it FOR A REASON. If I'd wanted to
post it to a jazz ng so that its denizens could tell me that I don't know
how to listen to music, I would've done so in the first place.
I posted it to the ng that I posted it to because that particular ng is
made up of people I know, at least as well as anybody can "know" anyone
on-line, and who know me.
Because I knew where I was putting it, I put in things that I figured
(rightly, as it turns out) would get me flamed if posted on a jazz ng -- to
wit, that I find much of jazz lacking in emotional depth, or at least that
it doesn't speak to me -- but that in the proper place, addressed to people
I know and who know me, might actually bring a constructive response,
something other than "You just don't get it, you lowbrow Neanderthal."
As it happened, it worked. From people on the ng where it was originally
posted, I received a number of thoughtful, perceptive replies that pointed
me toward things that I do like, and explained to me -- in suitably
indirect ways, but effectively enough -- what the appeal of jazz is.
OTOH, from the people on the jazz ng where my post was cross-posted without
permission, I've gotten little but insults.
Go figure.
Gerry Scott-Moore
<jas...@noyahoo.com> wrote:
> So far you suck the most.
It's a great time-saver to get a such a direct to be killfiled.
--
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Gerry Scott-Moore
<Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote:
> Because I knew where I was putting it, I put in things that I figured
> (rightly, as it turns out) would get me flamed if posted on a jazz ng -- to
> wit, that I find much of jazz lacking in emotional depth, or at least that
> it doesn't speak to me -- but that in the proper place, addressed to people
> I know and who know me, might actually bring a constructive response,
> something other than "You just don't get it, you lowbrow Neanderthal."
I thought I did give a constructive response. I haven't yet seen the
"lowbrow Neanderthal" response yet; just the fascinating "you suck"
debate.
I thought I stated pretty directly why a lot of people I know don't
"get" jazz. But there's no inherent reason to like it anyway; it's just
another disposable art form.
Now I have to ask, why do you listen to so damned much of it, if you
don't like it?
--
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still...@webtv.net
emotional depth. The search for something that moves you is part of the
cost. I'm giving classical a more serious listening. I listened to many
hours that did nothing for me before I got to Samuel Barbers Adagio for
Strings. What a great payoff. For some emotion in jazzdom go straight to
Betty Carter or anybody doing - Everytime We Say Goodbye - there are
some gems out there worth the effort.
C'Pi
My posts were an obvious response to a troll. A troll you didn't seem to
pick up on and should have never have given support to. And it was your
post that basically stated "You just don't get it, you lowbrow Neanderthal."
Just because you don't understand what your own words imply, doesn't mean
they don't imply it.
Basically you suck.
Alan Young
> I wrote that in the place that I wrote it FOR A REASON. If I'd wanted to
> post it to a jazz ng so that its denizens could tell me that I don't know
> how to listen to music, I would've done so in the first place.
Steve, I have another reason for responding.
Where do you live?? Our NPR station *never* plays jazz. Just news and
such. I'd like to trade radio stations with you.
Of course, if you think waking up to news is better... yow!...
--
Alan
http://www.hummingbear.net/~aayoung/Jazz/jazz.html
I dreamed of a life that was pure and true
I dreamed of a job only I could do...
---Monk's Dream
JC Martin
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Well, that's probably because Sum1 is one of our resident trolls. His
agenda is to prove to jazz fans that commercial instrumental pop artists
like Candy Dullpher and Kenny G. are in fact jazz artists. Your post was
intended to create a hostile response and our small-minded troll succeeded
unfortunately.
As for what you think of jazz...it's just not for everyone. I like Italian
porno soundtrack music, but that's not for everyone either. To each their
own.
-JC
ric
> "Sum1" <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in anticipation
> > of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
> >
>
> Shit.
>
> If I didn't know better, I'd say you were purposely using my post to troll.
That's Sum1. Troll Specialist 1st Class.
--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
Sum1
<Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
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> "Sum1" <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in
anticipation
> > of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
> >
>
> Shit.
>
> If I didn't know better, I'd say you were purposely using my post to
troll.
A thousand pardons.
I thought you'd prefer a wider and more informed repsonse to your enquiry.
Sum1
"ric" <nos...@cox.net> wrote in message news:3EDACE32...@cox.net...
> Steve...@rightbehindyou.com wrote:
>
> > "Sum1" <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in
anticipation
> > > of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
> > >
> >
> > Shit.
> >
> > If I didn't know better, I'd say you were purposely using my post to
troll.
>
> That's Sum1. Troll Specialist 1st Class.
Reporting for duty, General Anal Retentive.
Sum1
"JC Martin" <jcma...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Well, that's probably because Sum1 is one of our resident trolls.
A rather inacurate description. I just happen to be someone who doesn't
share your opinions.
> His agenda is to prove to jazz fans that commercial instrumental pop
artists
> like Candy Dullpher and Kenny G. are in fact jazz artists.
Go to Tower Records, Virgin Records, HMV, wherever, and ask for a Candy
Dulfer or Kenny G cd and make note of which section in which the cds are
located.
Most people already know these things, but someone people refuse to accept
the obvious.
Sum1
<Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
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>
> OTOH, from the people on the jazz ng where my post was cross-posted
without
> permission, I've gotten little but insults.
>
> Go figure.
Amazing, isn't it?
Carnak
>
>Go to Tower Records, Virgin Records, HMV, wherever, and ask for a Candy
>Dulfer or Kenny G cd and make note of which section in which the cds are
>located.
>
following the highway.
if I called you a troll , would it make you a troll ?
of course not . I'm sure you would agree with that.
so if someone calls Kenny G jazz, it doesn't make it
jazz,....
DOES IT???
OK, if you agree with THAT....
then that means
YOU ARE A TROLL
ASSHOLE
Sum1
"Carnak" <Car...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >Go to Tower Records, Virgin Records, HMV, wherever, and ask for a Candy
> >Dulfer or Kenny G cd and make note of which section in which the cds are
> >located.
> >
> again you are climbing up the signpost instead of
> following the highway.
Usually they both point in the same direction.
JC Martin
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Believe what you may. What puts Candy Dullpher in in jazz section is the
fact that she plays instrumental saxophone music. Unfortunately, sax means
jazz to most people. The lack of education present in our country is fairly
evident and if extends not only to math or literature, but to knowledge of
music as well.
And I don't think you're a troll because I disagree with you. You're a
troll because you're in a newsgroup full of people that don't like the music
you like and yet you seem to get something out of trying to prove that we're
somehow wrong for that. At least use your brains and pick someone like
Grover Washington over Candy Dullpher.
-JC
Mike C.
very different newsgroups feel that "Sum1" is a troll.
Surprise, surprise.
<Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
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Mike C.
> news:lNzCa.18749$JX2.1...@typhoon.sonic.net...
>
> > Well, that's probably because Sum1 is one of our resident trolls.
Zoot
whatever it takes to turn things into a pissing contest. could you
find something else to do?
pulleeeeeeeeazzzzz. wouldn't we all love the troll to just go away?
Steve...@rightbehindyou.com
> In article <20030601184200.920$f...@newsreader.com>,
> <Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote:
>
> > I wrote that in the place that I wrote it FOR A REASON. If I'd wanted
> > to post it to a jazz ng so that its denizens could tell me that I don't
> > know how to listen to music, I would've done so in the first place.
>
> Steve, I have another reason for responding.
>
> Where do you live?? Our NPR station *never* plays jazz. Just news and
> such. I'd like to trade radio stations with you.
Actually, as I admitted in a post later in the thread (one which didn't get
cross-posted), I greatly exaggerated the amount of jazz that gets played on
the local station (WUTC, Chattanooga). Mostly, they play roots, blues,
art-rock (think Wilco), and combinations thereof. The jazz show does come
on in the early morning hours; it's usually wrapping up as my alarm goes
off. I get about 10 minutes' worth, which of course really *isn't* even a
microscopic fraction of enough to form an educated opinion of jazz.
> Of course, if you think waking up to news is better... yow!...
I do, actually. What of it? ;)
Of course, it's boring now that the war is "over." I wonder when the next
season will start?
Steve...@rightbehindyou.com
> Well, that's probably because Sum1 is one of our resident trolls. His
> agenda is to prove to jazz fans that commercial instrumental pop artists
> like Candy Dullpher and Kenny G. are in fact jazz artists. Your post was
> intended to create a hostile response
Clarification: *I* didn't intend it to create a hostile response.
Honestly, where I posted it, it had the exact effect I intended, and the
people who initially read it know me enough to know that my "hostility"
is just a mask for confused bewilderment and envy of those "in the know."
Whatever Sum1's intentions were, they're beyond my control. Obviously.
> As for what you think of jazz...it's just not for everyone. I like
> Italian porno soundtrack music, but that's not for everyone either. To
> each their own.
It has to be better than American porno music.
Steve...@rightbehindyou.com
If I'd wanted a wide and informed response to my query, I wouldn't have
posted it on RASSM, that's for damned sure.
Steve...@rightbehindyou.com
> "JC Martin" <jcma...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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>
> > Well, that's probably because Sum1 is one of our resident trolls.
>
> A rather inacurate description. I just happen to be someone who doesn't
> share your opinions.
>
> > His agenda is to prove to jazz fans that commercial instrumental pop
> artists
> > like Candy Dullpher and Kenny G. are in fact jazz artists.
>
> Go to Tower Records, Virgin Records, HMV, wherever, and ask for a Candy
> Dulfer or Kenny G cd and make note of which section in which the cds are
> located.
Dunno about Dulfer, but if I had a record store, I'd put Kenny G in the
"Difficult Listening" section.
JC Martin
Sure.
-JC
Sum1
>
> The lack of education present in our country is fairly
> evident and if extends not only to math or literature, but to knowledge of
> music as well.
Case in point. You are the one tilting at windmills.
> And I don't think you're a troll because I disagree with you.
This and hundreds of other messages prove otherwise.
> You're a
> troll because you're in a newsgroup full of people that don't like the
music
> you like
This is a jazz newsgroup. I talk about jazz. If you don't like the
particular brand of jazz I discuss, then stop reading my messages and start
writing about what you like.
> and yet you seem to get something out of trying to prove that we're
> somehow wrong for that.
Not wrong. More like thick-headed.
sgordon
fancy Italian ones cost lots of money, but I just don't like them.
Maybe that's how it is with you and jazz. I love jazz, but if you
really honestly don't like it, there's no reason to torture yourself.
Scott
In rec.music.bluenote Sum1 <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
: You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in anticipation of
: such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
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: <Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
: news:20030526093119.262$d...@newsreader.com...
: My alarm clock radio is tuned to NPR. It goes off at 6:00 every morning.
: It always manages to go off at the crescendo of some really bright, flashy
: brass run.
: Yes, it's the morning jazz show. It's followed by the "Morning Edition."
: Then the 9-12 jazz show. Then a few more minutes of news. Then the
: 12:30-4:00 jazz show. Then "All Things Considered." Then "Fresh Air."
: Then the 8-midnight jazz show. (On weekends, there's opera and "The
: Thistle and Shamrock" shoehorned in between the jazz shows.)
: Now, it may just be that jazz is the first thing I hear when I am blasted
: from my peaceful slumber into a harsh, uncaring reality every morning, but
: I, like Johnny, HATE JAZZ*. Shattered dreams, indeed.
: I have listened to jazz. I have heard people speak glowingly of jazz
: musicians. (At least twenty minutes of each "Morning Edition" must be
: devoted to some jazz legend who played sessions with Dizzy Gillespie and
: Thelonius Monk and Tiny Tim.) I have heard jazz musicians interviewed on
: "Fresh Air" and listened to explanations of music theory and why jazz is
: Really Good.
: Still, I can't stand it.
: Is it the endless runs up and down the scales? Is it the constant time
: shifts, something that doesn't really endear prog metal to me either,
: except for a short time back in the early 90's? Is it the noodling,
: emotionless quality I hear in so much of it; musicians showing their chops
: just because they have them? (And have I just been listening to the wrong
: stuff?)
: And is there any being on earth with less reason to exist than a jazz
: singer? Scooby dooby bop a loodle de day ee ay ee ay ee ay skip dop mop mip
: lip dip mmm ooo dot mmm ooo dot SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!
: Still, I understand that there are a great many people who like jazz; who
: grew up listening to the kind of stuff I grew up listening to and have
: rejected all of that in favor of jazz. On "Morning Edition" this morning,
: they interviewed a former punk-rocker who'd liked the work of certain
: bass-player -- Henry or Harry Grimes, IIRC -- so much that he'd stopped
: dyeing his hair green. Writers from George F. Will to Harlan Ellison have
: written columns praising jazz, and it's been called one of the few
: genuinely American contributions to the world of art.
: (And, at this juncture, I'll admit a certain fondness for muted,
: understated piano jazz *without any vocals*; the Vince Guaraldi Trio is
: fine in my book.)
: So why do I hate it so? Or, at least, why do I loathe so much of it?
: And please; please please please please... if there's ANYBODY out there
: who's a fan of it, and can tell me why I should like it in such a way that
: opens my ears and allows me to enjoy what's screaming out of my alarm clock
: every morning... golly, I'd sure appreciate that.
: Steve Tilson
Policrat'
Steve...@rightbehindyou.com at Steve...@rightbehindyou.com wrote on
2/6/03 9:44 pm:
> "Sum1" <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
>> news:20030601184200.920$f...@newsreader.com...
>>> "Sum1" <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in
>> anticipation
>>>> of such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shit.
>>>
>>> If I didn't know better, I'd say you were purposely using my post to
>> troll.
>>
>> A thousand pardons.
>>
>> I thought you'd prefer a wider and more informed repsonse to your
>> enquiry.
>
> If I'd wanted a wide and informed response to my query, I wouldn't have
> posted it on RASSM, that's for damned sure.
=)
> Steve Tilson
Pol'
Joel Glassman
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> You might get more interesting replies from jazz fans, so in anticipation
of
> such I'm forwarding your message to a jazz newsgroup. Heads up!
>
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>
> <Steve...@rightbehindyou.com> wrote in message
Adam Bravo
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> "Sum1" <shridurga@-spamoff-yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "JC Martin" <jcma...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > > Well, that's probably because Sum1 is one of our resident trolls.
> >
> > A rather inacurate description. I just happen to be someone who doesn't
> > share your opinions.
> >
> > > His agenda is to prove to jazz fans that commercial instrumental pop
> > artists
> > > like Candy Dullpher and Kenny G. are in fact jazz artists.
> >
> > Go to Tower Records, Virgin Records, HMV, wherever, and ask for a Candy
> > Dulfer or Kenny G cd and make note of which section in which the cds are
> > located.
>
> Dunno about Dulfer, but if I had a record store, I'd put Kenny G in the
> "Difficult Listening" section.
ROFL!
tritone
Steve,
True, you may not like Jazz at all and that's cool. But might I
suggest a few albums for you to try before you give up. Figuring out
what music will "touch" which people is hard sometimes, but try these
Jazz albums to start with:
1) Pat Metheny Group - The Road To You
2) Pat Metheny and Charlie Haden - Beyond the Missouri Sky
3) Vince Guaraldi - A Boy Named Charlie Brown (you mentioned you liked
Guaraldi)
4) Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto - Getz/Gilberto
5) Miles Davis - Miles Davis and the Modern Jazz Giants
6) Bill Evans - Sunday at the Village Vanguard
7) Wes Montgomery Trio - A New Dynamic Sound
8) Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
9) Hank Mobley - Soul Station
10) Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
I suggest you start with "The Road To You". Just put it on and listen
like you normally do. Don't try to "get it". Just let it be natural.
Even do other things and have the music on in the background. The point
is to just get used to the sounds and feel of Jazz so that when more
"busy" stuff starts happening -- you pick up on it right away and just
feel it.
JW Moore
>> Now, it may just be that jazz is the first thing I hear when I am blasted
>> from my peaceful slumber into a harsh, uncaring reality every morning, but
>> I, like Johnny, HATE JAZZ*. Shattered dreams, indeed.
>>
>> I have listened to jazz. I have heard people speak glowingly of jazz
>> musicians. (At least twenty minutes of each "Morning Edition" must be
>> devoted to some jazz legend who played sessions with Dizzy Gillespie and
>> Thelonius Monk and Tiny Tim.) I have heard jazz musicians interviewed on
>> "Fresh Air" and listened to explanations of music theory and why jazz is
>> Really Good.
>>
>> Still, I can't stand it.
>>
>You dislike of Jazz would be more easily grasped if I had an idea of what
>kind of music you do like. However, your criticisms are pretty far off the
>mark. I don't hear a 'noodling, emotionless quality' in Miles Davis, or
>Dexter Gordon, or Thelonious Monk, or Duke Ellington, and certainly Billie
>Holiday had plenty of reason to sing, and she didn't scat at all.
>
>When you say you've listened to Jazz, what artists? What recordings?
>Furthermore, what do you want out of music in the first place?
>
>I also question people whose attitude toward an art is confrontational from
>the 'git go'. It may be that you have already decided that you will not like
>it no matter what, and you have simply decided to be amused by attempts to
>persuade you.
>
>I had a similar attitude about opera for years. Then I actually listened to
>it (after studying its history). I don't like all opera (or all Jazz), but
>I've found some opera I like very much.
>
>
If all the guy knows of jazz is what you get from NPR, or the Ken Burns series, I'm not
totally surprised by this reaction. All that middle-aged whitebread elitist deconstruction
of "Round Midnight" drives me insane. Go to an actual jazz gig. Then get back to us.
~~Jack
SomeGuyOnTheInternet
>> singer? Scooby dooby bop a loodle de day ee ay ee ay ee ay skip dop mop mip
>> lip dip mmm ooo dot mmm ooo dot SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!
I do like some singers
But I have to admit this made me laugh
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Jasbird
>As it happened, it worked. From people on the ng where it was originally
>posted, I received a number of thoughtful, perceptive replies that pointed
>me toward things that I do like, and explained to me -- in suitably
>indirect ways, but effectively enough -- what the appeal of jazz is.
>
>OTOH, from the people on the jazz ng where my post was cross-posted without
>permission, I've gotten little but insults.
I haven't seen many insults at all. I admire your perseverance in
trying so hard to like jazz. The first time I saw Star Wars I knew I
disliked it and since then I've made no effort whatsoever to like it.
The appeal of jazz to me is head candy. You listen to it and the music
takes you away. No other music does that for me because all other
music is way too predictable - a bit like Star Wars.
Jasbird
> the noodling, emotionless quality
I picked out those two quotes because they seem to contradict each
other.
Did you try listening to some more emotional performers? I find John
Coltrane, Sam Rivers, David S Ware, Sonny Sharrock (and hundreds of
others) to be very emotional. I used to play Pharoah Sanders and
Aretha Franklin vinyls back to back because, at the time, they were
the most emotional performers I had in my collection.
crib
<< Did you try listening to some more emotional performers? I find John
Coltrane, Sam Rivers, David S Ware, Sonny Sharrock (and hundreds of others) to
be very emotional. >>
Y'know, this is an interesting point.
I think most jazz fans, faced with recommending music to a "newbie," tend to
favor the "easy" stuff. We figure it's easier to relate to "Kind of Blue," for
example; and we worry that recommending Ornette Coleman right off the bat might
scare the person away from jazz.
I had a friend, some years ago, who hated a lot of the jazz I played. His real
passion was metal -- heavy metal, speed metal, death metal...you get the idea.
Anyway, he finally heard John Coltrane's "Ascension" -- and he was hooked!
Realizing the tack, I threw David S. Ware, William Parker, Assif Tsahar, and
all sorts of "crazy stuff" his way. He loved every bit of it; and eventually,
he felt ready to check out some of the straight-ahead material.
There are a lot of windows into jazz, and I think we sometimes neglect the ones
that can show someone a side they've never imagined.
crib
Jack Thomas
> In article <bbda41$8cqe0$1...@ID-111793.news.dfncis.de>, C'Pi
> <jas...@noyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So far you suck the most.
>
> It's a great time-saver to get a such a direct to be killfiled.
C'Pi says you suck at that too!
Gerry Scott-Moore
Thomas <jackth...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jeez, you guys really stay on point.
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