Ringo the jew
Bernie Woodham
bolster my claim that Ringo was behind the JFK assassination ;o)
Instead I found this website that lists Jews in influential (media)
positions in the US. Basically, he is claiming this causes them
disproportionate representation in American politics. He lists Ringo Starr
as a jew, and adds this:
"**The fact that Ringo Starr shows up on lists of Jews is what is
problematic with "lists" in general. Ringo was born Richard Starkey, named
after his dad, Richard. His mother was Elsie. His kids are Jason, Zak, and
Lee. But, I can find no biography or comment with any weight that confirms
that Ringo Starr is Jewish. During a concert tour in 1964 in Canada, death
threats were made against the "English Jew, Ringo Starr." To which Ringo
replied,"I am English, but I am not Jewish." More research is called for. It
doesn't help Ringo's assertion that he is not Jewish that in 1981 he married
Barbara Bach (Barbara Goldbach), although there are lots of inter-faith
marriages."
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~rickhgtx/jewish.htm
It gets me that he says "More research is called for." He states earlier
in the page somewhere that quite a few jewish people will try to
dissassociate theirselves from their jewish heritage. But, in his
perspective, if they come from a jewish background then they should be
considered jewish.
Still, if a person claims they are not jewish and there is no evidence to
the contrary, is more research really called for?
Jales
him to lie, I think
rfor...@msn.com
Jales wrote:
> He denies it again on the Anthology videos. And there's no reason for
> him to lie, I think
I don't understand all this. Was his mother jewish, yes or no?
Shouldn't be too hard to find out. If not....are people suggesting
that Ringo secretly converted to Judaism but has been denying it?
richforman
MikeLawyr2
who is half Catholic.
This kind of stuff shows up on birth certificates in England, doesn't
it?
I once heard a right wing nut preacher on shortwave radio assert that
all four Beatles were Jewish. Wishing doesn't make it so.
Bill Kawalec
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>I believe that all four Beatles are Church of England, except for Paul,
> who is half Catholic.
>
not sure about the other three, but I recall for a fact that George was born
Catholic.
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who really gives a rat's ass, and why???
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> richforman
>
terra
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It obviously only takes one piece of misinformation, one wrong article that
gets picked up and propogates for four decades. No, he's not jewish.
>
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Lizz Holmans
He was baptised in the Church of England. That makes him an Anglican,
if anything. As far as anyone knows, his mother, Elsie, was not
Jewish.
'Starkey' as a last name is much more connected to Quakers than Jews.
Lizz 'Just ask David' Holmans
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Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta
mds...@gmail.com
> It obviously only takes one piece of misinformation, one wrong article that
> gets picked up and propogates for four decades. No, he's not jewish.
Actually, I believe Ringo is Bluish ... even though he doesn't LOOK
Bluish.
Bip Bop
"Bernie Woodham" birnhamw...@insightbb.com wrote and wasted everyones
time with some meaningless drival:
> I was actually browsing the web for an article on Ringo and Ham Radio to
> bolster my claim that Ringo was behind the JFK assassination ;o)
A blonde goes to the post office to buy stamps for her Christmas cards.
She says to the clerk, "May I have 50 Christmas stamps?"
The clerk says, "What denomination?"
The woman says, "God help us! Has it come to this? Give me 6
Catholic, 12 Presbyterian, 10 Lutheran and 22 Baptists."
Bernie Woodham
"Bill Kawalec" <billk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> <rfor...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1166476566....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Jales wrote:
>>> He denies it again on the Anthology videos. And there's no reason for
>>> him to lie, I think
>>
>> I don't understand all this. Was his mother jewish, yes or no?
>> Shouldn't be too hard to find out. If not....are people suggesting
>> that Ringo secretly converted to Judaism but has been denying it?
>
>
>
> who really gives a rat's ass, and why???
>
Thankyou for that fine contribution and penetrating analysis.
k
"Bip Bop" <bip...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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WHO CARES !
Religion and alcohol the two biggest problems with the world today !
Get rid of both of them !
TAR
>
> A blonde goes to the post office to buy stamps for her Christmas cards.
> She says to the clerk, "May I have 50 Christmas stamps?"
>
> The clerk says, "What denomination?"
>
> The woman says, "God help us! Has it come to this? Give me 6
> Catholic, 12 Presbyterian, 10 Lutheran and 22 Baptists."
Cute joke. :)
Chuck
The reason people say Ringo is Jewish is because of stereotypes that
Jews have big noses, and Ringo has a big nose.
Chuck
Chuck
Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>
>The reason people say Ringo is Jewish is because of stereotypes that
>Jews have big noses, and Ringo has a big nose.
Anybody get a good look at Pete Townshend, then? Or Steve Winwood?
Lizz 'Oh, and your post stuttered' Holmans
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"Bernie Woodham" <birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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and, as uasual, you don't answer the question. who really does give a rat's
ass, and why??
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Bernie Woodham
assassination theory, eh?
However billy, if you would like to handout guidelines from what is supposed
to be posted in this group, I'd like to hear that.
Bill Kawalec
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"Bernie Woodham" <birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Did I complain about any of the postings?!?!?!?!?!?! NO, sonny, I did not. I
merely asked "Who gives a rat's ass?"
fatt...@yahoo.com
Paul called himself a "lax Roman Catholic." I'm not sure, but George
may have been Catholic but became Hindu.
I don't think any of the Beatles were really into organized Western
religion.
fatt...@yahoo.com
LOL! Good one.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Exactly. However on that note, I must relate a humorous story I had
read in one of my Beatle books (I forget which one . . . the Spitz
book? I don't know) When the Beatles took the world by storm, of
course they were bombarded by the press, fans, organizations, etc. It
was reported that some Jewish organization contacted Ringo to
congratulate him that "one of their own" had made it, etc. Of course,
Ringo or someone had to explain that he wasn't Jewish.
Charlie
"MikeLawyr2" <Mbux...@lowenstein.com> wrote:
> I believe that all four Beatles are Church of England, except for Paul,
> who is half Catholic.
>
Half Catholic??? That's like being half pregnant.
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Feel free to make fun of my music here:
TAR
>
> --
> I never read email at the Yahoo address!
> "Bernie Woodham" <birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> news:YtednYhWe6YnBhrY...@insightbb.com...
> >
> > "Bill Kawalec" <billk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:2bCdneg2Ya2d6BrY...@comcast.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> I never read email at the Yahoo address!
> >> "Bernie Woodham" <birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
> >> news:wfadncfmNbZkghrY...@insightbb.com...
> >>>
> >>> "Bill Kawalec" <billk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:MPmdnT-nquz2jxrY...@comcast.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <rfor...@msn.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:1166476566....@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shouldn't be too hard to find out. If not....are people suggesting
> >>>>> that Ringo secretly converted to Judaism but has been denying it?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> who really gives a rat's ass, and why???
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Thankyou for that fine contribution and penetrating analysis.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> and, as uasual, you don't answer the question. who really does give a
> >> rat's ass, and why??
> >>
> > I gave a rat's ass. Why not? It's more on topic than some JFK
> > assassination theory, eh?
> >
> > However billy, if you would like to handout guidelines from what is
> > supposed to be posted in this group, I'd like to hear that.
>
> Did I complain about any of the postings?!?!?!?!?!?! NO, sonny, I did not. I
> merely asked "Who gives a rat's ass?"
You mean, like, as a gift??
A cat?
John Richards
> who really gives a rat's ass, and why???
It is important in the same sense that Sen. George Allen denied his Jewish
heritage. If Ringo's mother was a Jew and Ringo is hiding that fact, that
reflects some embarrassment of his Jewish heritage and ultimately comes down
to anti-semitic views.
MikeLawyr2
A man visits his aged mother in a retirement home. He finds her
sitting in her wheelchair in the dining room and approaches her. When
he gets in front of her, he announces himself in a very loud voice:
"MA! HELLO! DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"
His mother answers: "If you go to the front desk they'll tell you who
you are."
Trey Harlow
"Lizz Holmans" <di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 18 Dec 2006 16:50:51 -0800, "Chuck" <charles...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>The reason people say Ringo is Jewish is because of stereotypes that
>>Jews have big noses, and Ringo has a big nose.
>
> Anybody get a good look at Pete Townshend, then? Or Steve Winwood?
>
Actually Pete recently admitted that he looks like an older Jewish man now.
jtees4
wrote:
>In article <1166477845.3...@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "MikeLawyr2" <Mbux...@lowenstein.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe that all four Beatles are Church of England, except for Paul,
>> who is half Catholic.
>>
>
>
>Half Catholic??? That's like being half pregnant.
Nothing against Polish people BUT, the Poilish girl comes home and
proclaims.."I am pregnant" and her mpther replies.."Are you sure it's
yours?" Sorry, you're half pregnant reply reminded me of this one
which was told to me by a Polish friend.
jtees4
I'm not sure what John Lennon felt about alcohol, but he'd probably
agree about the religion. That would make both of you wrong.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
"Sid" <hr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
.He also happened to pick a stage name that is
> "Jewish" , Starr.
>
What is a "Jewish" stage name, and what suggests that "Starr" is a "Jewish
stage name"?
Bernie Woodham
>
>>> and, as uasual, you don't answer the question. who really does give a
>>> rat's ass, and why??
>>>
>> I gave a rat's ass. Why not? It's more on topic than some JFK
>> assassination theory, eh?
>>
>> However billy, if you would like to handout guidelines from what is
>> supposed to be posted in this group, I'd like to hear that.
>
>
> Did I complain about any of the postings?!?!?!?!?!?! NO, sonny, I did not.
> I merely asked "Who gives a rat's ass?"
>
First off little billy, please note that this is your FOURTH response to
this thread.
You say, "Who gives a rat's ass, and why?" If you are not questioning the
validity of the post, then please explain just what you mean by the
question.
Is TAR correct? You were just wondering what sort of people give a rat's
ass as a gift to someone? And "why" would they give a rat's ass as a gift?
Is that what you meant?
mds...@gmail.com
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selig_Starr
Now "Starobinski" sounds Jewish ... but I've never heard of anyone else
Jewish named "Starr". If it is a Jewish name, it's certainly not a
common one (like Epstein, Levy, Cohen, Goldberg, etc.) According to
this article, Zelig Starobinski emigrated to the U.S. in 1921. Like
many European immigrants at that time, he was probably give an
"Americanized" last name by the officials at Ellis Island.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selig_Starr
>
Hey numnuts, how about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Starr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Starr
or anyone else under
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr
beside Selig? One guy on the list is Jewish, so they must all be Jewish?
Starr wasn't even Selig's original surname, like Ringo.
I see now. One Jewish guy changes his last name from something else to
Starr, and therefore you think Starr is a Jewish name. Got it.
Moron.
Bill Kawalec
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"Bernie Woodham" <birnh...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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no. I think, however, that I'm just now beginning to see why "rat's ass"
ocurred to me . . .
Bernie Woodham
know that you don't really know the reasons for your thoughts until much
later though. So, if the reason for your post should come to you sometime
within the next millenium, please let us know.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
"Sid" <jenv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> READ THIS http://tinyurl.com/ydgmqm
>
TWICE AS MANY HITS HERE http://tinyurl.com/y3j3wa
So some Jews and more non-Jews are named Starr. Therefore, Starr is
(exclusively) Jewish?
fishandchips
Chuck wrote:
> The reason people say Ringo is Jewish is because of stereotypes that
> Jews have big noses, and Ringo has a big nose.
>
Are elephants Jewish?
Dale Houstman
I think Horton was.
dmh
fishandchips
without a doubt
>
> dmh
Bernie Woodham
"fishandchips" <Chippa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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How about Dumbo? Even the name is similar: Dumbo, Ringo. Ono. Bono.
Don'know.
fishandchips
:-)
Salvador Astucia
Bernie Woodham wrote:
> I was actually browsing the web for an article on Ringo and Ham Radio to
> bolster my claim that Ringo was behind the JFK assassination ;o)
>
> positions in the US. Basically, he is claiming this causes them
> disproportionate representation in American politics. He lists Ringo Starr
> as a jew, and adds this:
>
> "**The fact that Ringo Starr shows up on lists of Jews is what is
> problematic with "lists" in general. Ringo was born Richard Starkey, named
> after his dad, Richard. His mother was Elsie. His kids are Jason, Zak, and
> Lee. But, I can find no biography or comment with any weight that confirms
> that Ringo Starr is Jewish. During a concert tour in 1964 in Canada, death
> threats were made against the "English Jew, Ringo Starr." To which Ringo
> replied,"I am English, but I am not Jewish." More research is called for. It
> doesn't help Ringo's assertion that he is not Jewish that in 1981 he married
> Barbara Bach (Barbara Goldbach), although there are lots of inter-faith
> marriages."
>
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~rickhgtx/jewish.htm
>
> It gets me that he says "More research is called for." He states earlier
> in the page somewhere that quite a few jewish people will try to
> dissassociate theirselves from their jewish heritage. But, in his
> perspective, if they come from a jewish background then they should be
> considered jewish.
>
> Still, if a person claims they are not jewish and there is no evidence to
> the contrary, is more research really called for?
I've always thought Paul McCartney looked and acted more Jewish than
Ringo. Paul's brother Michael certainly has the look, not to mention
photos of their mother. And Paul married into a Jewish family who tried
in vain to conceal their Jewish heritage. The Eastmans' real name was
Epstein but Linda's father changed it, apparently to conceal the fact
that he was Jewish. In the infamous 1970 Rolling Stone interview, John
Lennon referred to the Eastman's as Jew/WASPs. On second thought, was
John referring to the Eastmans or Paul?
Salvador Astucia
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I'm sorry you're so slow.
your B drive
Salvador Astucia wrote:
> I've always thought Paul McCartney looked and acted more Jewish than
> Ringo.
How exactly does one 'act Jewish', Sally?
(wait for it...)
Bernie Woodham
Dale Houstman
Bozo?
Jumbo?
Bilbo?
Groucho?...oh, he was Jewish!
Dalo
fatt...@yahoo.com
Good one!
fatt...@yahoo.com
I don't know if it is as true today, but many years ago there were many
Jewish Hollywood celebrities who changed their names so they would not
sound so "ethnic."
Starr is merely a stage name for Ringo. Even if he took a stage name
like "Goldberg" it doesn't make him Jewish. His real last name is
Starkey.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Hhhmmm. Let me think.
eerrrrr . . . . . Oh, I know, I know!!
He or she posts at rmb? :-)
fatt...@yahoo.com
Only the ones with the circumcised trunks. :-)
fatt...@yahoo.com
lumpy wrote:
> Several centuries ago, the Pope decreed that all the Jews had to
> convert
> to Catholicism or to leave Italy. There was a huge outcry from the
> Jewish community, so the Pope offered a deal. He would have a religious
> debate with the leader of the Jewish community. If the Jews won, they
> could stay in Italy, if the Pope won, they would have to leave.
>
> The Jewish people met and picked an aged, but wise Rabbi Moishe to
> represent them in the debate. However, as Moishe spoke no Italian, and
> the Pope spoke no Yiddish, they all agreed that it would be a "silent"
> debate.
>
> On the chosen day, the Pope and Rabbi Moishe sat opposite each other
> for a full minute before the Pope raised his hand and showed three
> fingers.
>
> Rabbi Moishe looked back and raised one finger.
>
> Next, the Pope waved his finger around his head.
>
> Rabbi Moishe pointed to the ground where he sat.
>
> The Pope then brought out a communion wafer and a chalice of wine.
>
> Rabbi Moishe pulled out an apple.
>
> With that, the Pope stood up and declared that he was beaten, that
> Rabbi Moishe was too clever, and that the Jews could stay.
>
> Later, the Cardinals met with the Pope, asking what had happened. The
> Pope said, "First, I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He
> responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there is still
> only
> one God common to both our beliefs. Then, I waved my finger to show him
> that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground to
> show that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and
> wafer to show that God absolves us of all our sins. He pulled out an
> apple to remind me of the original sin. He had me beaten and I could
> not
> continue."
>
> Meanwhile the Jewish community was gathered around Rabbi Moishe "How
> did you win the debate?" they asked.
>
> "I haven't a clue," said Moishe. "First he said to me that we had
> three
> days to get out of Italy, so I gave him the finger. Then he tells me
> that the whole country could be cleared of Jews and I said to him,
> we're
> staying right here."
>
> "And then what?" asked a woman.
>
> "Who knows?" said Moishe, "He took out his lunch, so I took out mine."
That's one of the best jokes I've read in a long while. Very funny.
> --
Sean Carroll
> WHO CARES !
> Religion and alcohol the two biggest problems with the world today !
> Get rid of both of them !
You can do what you want with religion, but I'll be DAMNED if I'm gonna
let you take away the one drug I can buy at the store as much as I want
without anyone looking at me weird.
The problem is not so much the availability of alcohol as it is the
stigma against marijuana and LSD. Alcohol is just a molecule. The
problem is the state-enforced dependence on it by society as the *only*
drug you're allowed to self-prescribe for any reason whatsoever,
including problems that it makes worse.
Making *everyone* go to alcohol as their one psychoactive is like making
everyone watch the same TV channel no matter what they like. Or like
making every classroom use the same textbook no matter what the subject
is. Societies that treat alcohol with respect, knowing that it is not
only *not* the only safe intoxicant but in fact one of the more
*dangerous* ones, do not have a problem with it. And people who
regularly smoke pot seem to have a lot greater ability to get drunk once
in a while without careening out of control.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'I love the smell of pus in the morning. It smells like ... victory.'
--Dr Gregory House
Sean Carroll
A large college class is taking an extraordinarily important test that
will determine most of their grade for the semester. There is a two-hour
time limit to finish and turn the test in.
All of the students finish in time, turn in their papers, and leave,
except for one. After two and a half hours, the straggler finally
finishes and comes up to the professor's desk. The professor looks at
him and says, 'I'm afraid you have missed the time limit. You might as
well not even bother to give me that paper, because you will get a zero
anyway.
At this, the student becomes very angry. He yells at the professor, 'DO
YOU KNOW WHO I AM??!!' The professor looks at him calmly and says, 'No,
I don't know who you are, and I don't care.'
The student immediately says, 'Good', slips his paper into the middle of
the pile, and walks out.
Salvador Astucia
Being an absolute control freak is both an attribute of Paul's and the
tribe.
Is Ringo a control freak? Hardly.
Salvador
Bernie Woodham
"Salvador Astucia" <cropdu...@cs.com> wrote in message
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The Nazi's weren't control freaks?
octopussy's garden
Bernie Woodham wrote:
> The Nazi's weren't control freaks?
AHA! Then Hitler was a self-hating Jew?
Gee, Sharpie - now you're in a pickle...
Salvador Astucia
I wouldn't know.
Salvador
Dale Houstman
Are reading and comprehension really that difficult for you? Anyone who
can read and understand words could find out whether or not the Nazis
were "control freaks" or not. Hell - let's say you can't read: there are
documentaries and other films that'll do most of the labor for you.
dmh
dmh
Salvador Astucia
This thread is about Ringo being Jewish, or not being Jewish. It is not
about Nazis being control freaks. Earlier in the thread, I simply
stated that I had observed that Paul seemed more Jewish than Ringo.
Someone asked how does someone seem, or act, Jewish(?). I merely stated
that being a control freak was part of it, and McCartney definitely has
that attribute many times over. Then Bernie Woodham linked the control
freak factor to Nazis, as if anyone cares about that. What next? Will
people claim Ringo was a Nazi because he gave a Heil Hitler salute in A
Hard Days Night?
To repeat, I have seen no evidence to convince me that Ringo is Jewish
other than he married a Jewish woman (and he looks Greek to me, for
what it's worth). But Paul, on the other hand, seems very Jewish in
every aspect: his looks, his heritage, he married a Jewish woman and
has openly Jewish children, he dated Jewish women, and he's a control
freak. I'll stop there. :-)
Merry Christmas.
Salvador
Bernie Woodham
>
>
> This thread is about Ringo being Jewish, or not being Jewish. It is not
> about Nazis being control freaks. Earlier in the thread, I simply
> stated that I had observed that Paul seemed more Jewish than Ringo.
> Someone asked how does someone seem, or act, Jewish(?). I merely stated
> that being a control freak was part of it, and McCartney definitely has
> that attribute many times over. Then Bernie Woodham linked the control
> freak factor to Nazis, as if anyone cares about that.
Not altogether true. Someone did ask you how does someone act Jewish and you
replied:
"Being an absolute control freak is both an attribute of Paul's and the
tribe."
Now, just what "tribe" were you referring to?
You then went on:
"Is Ringo a control freak? Hardly."
and by this you exclude him from being Jewish because he is not a control
freak.
THUS comes the question about the Nazis. Hard to deny they were control
freaks.
> To repeat, I have seen no evidence to convince me that Ringo is Jewish
> other than he married a Jewish woman (and he looks Greek to me, for
> what it's worth).
How is that evidence that Ringo might be Jewish?
>But Paul, on the other hand, seems very Jewish in
> every aspect: his looks,
Paul looks Jewish? How so?
>his heritage, he married a Jewish woman and
> has openly Jewish children,
Where do you get that his children are "openly Jewish" and what do you mean
by this? Do you mean that they are Jewish because their mother was Jewish,
or are you saying that they embrace the principles of Judaism? It would
seem the latter, because you say they are "openly" Jewish. To say the
former assumes that they are trying to hide that their mother was Jewish.
> he dated Jewish women,
How is that evidence that he is Jewish?
>and he's a control
> freak. I'll stop there. :-)
>
> Merry Christmas.
>
Merry Christmas to you also.
> Salvador
>
Salvador Astucia
> "Salvador Astucia" <cropdu...@cs.com> wrote:
> > This thread is about Ringo being Jewish, or not being Jewish. It is not
> > about Nazis being control freaks. Earlier in the thread, I simply
> > stated that I had observed that Paul seemed more Jewish than Ringo.
> > Someone asked how does someone seem, or act, Jewish(?). I merely stated
> > that being a control freak was part of it, and McCartney definitely has
> > that attribute many times over. Then Bernie Woodham linked the control
> > freak factor to Nazis, as if anyone cares about that.
Bernie Woodham wrote:
> Not altogether true. Someone did ask you how does someone act Jewish and you
> replied:
>
> "Being an absolute control freak is both an attribute of Paul's and the
> tribe."
>
> Now, just what "tribe" were you referring to?
Give me a break. Does the 13th tribe mean anything to you?
> You then went on:
>
> "Is Ringo a control freak? Hardly."
>
> and by this you exclude him from being Jewish because he is not a control
> freak.
>
> THUS comes the question about the Nazis. Hard to deny they were control
> freaks.
A lot of people deny it (Germans in particular), but please, let's not
go there. This thread is about a Beatle possibly being Jewish.
> > To repeat, I have seen no evidence to convince me that Ringo is Jewish
> > other than he married a Jewish woman (and he looks Greek to me, for
> > what it's worth).
>
> How is that evidence that Ringo might be Jewish?
It isn't. If you misunderstood the statement, then allow me to retract
it slightly by replacing the words "no evidence" with "nothing". Happy
now?
> > But Paul, on the other hand, seems very Jewish in
> > every aspect: his looks,
>
> Paul looks Jewish? How so?
Surely you know what Jewish people look like.
> > his heritage, he married a Jewish woman and
> > has openly Jewish children,
>
> Where do you get that his children are "openly Jewish" and what do you mean
> by this?
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought I had read that they think of
themselves as Jewish.
> Do you mean that they are Jewish because their mother was Jewish,
> or are you saying that they embrace the principles of Judaism?
I am saying I thought I had read that they consider themselves Jewish.
Other than that, I cannot say. Many Jewish people proudly claim to be
Jewish but are openly atheist. In fact, Judasiam is the only religion I
know of where its members frequently make this claim. I presume their
mother was not a practicing Jew, probably somewhat agnostic, but Jewish
only in her heritage, not in a religious sense. This is just an
observation, of course.
> It would
> seem the latter, because you say they are "openly" Jewish. To say the
> former assumes that they are trying to hide that their mother was Jewish.
>
> > he dated Jewish women,
>
> How is that evidence that he is Jewish?
There is no absolute evidence, but Paul has more "indicators" than
Ringo. Ringo's only indicator is a large nose (which doesn't even look
like a Jewish nose, IMHO) and a Jewish wife. And as I indicated (or
implied) before, Ringo's personality is very gentile, which suggests he
is being truthful when he denies being a member of the so-called tribe.
> > and he's a control
> > freak. I'll stop there. :-)
> >
> > Merry Christmas.
> >
> Merry Christmas to you also.
Over and out.
Salvador
the almighty Griff
Salvador Astucia wrote:
> Surely you know what Jewish people look like.
Surely...
http://www.morbid-curiosity.com/38e1a630.jpg
The nose *is* a dead giveaway, Sharpie; I'm starting to understand your
skills.
Salvador Astucia
the almighty Griff wrote:
> Salvador Astucia wrote:
> > Surely you know what Jewish people look like.
>
> Surely...
> http://www.morbid-curiosity.com/38e1a630.jpg
Funny, but seriously, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that
different ethnic groups tend to have special, or unique, physical
characteristcs, although in this case, the ethnicity in question is
self-made to a large degree. It comes from intermarrying as a means of
keeping the bloodline pure. The late Jewish writer, Arthur Koestler,
described this look in his controversial book, "The 13th Tribe", which
describes how, in the 7th century, the king of the ancient Khazar
nation (aka, Khazaria; located in Eastern Europe) issued a decree
whereby all Khazars were ordered to convert to Judaism. According to
Koestler, descendants of the Khazars have a certain look, particularly
in the shape of the nose. It isn't necessarily the size, it's the
shape, according the Koestler, that makes it distinctive. Koestler
claimed--as I recall--that many descendants of the so-called "13th
tribe" have flaring nostrils. Mr. McCartney seems to have a bit of a
flare in that area, as does his brother Michael, and their mother Mary
(based on old photos, that is). On the other hand, Ringo just has a
large nose, but no flaring nostrils.
Salvador
the almighty Griff
Salvador Astucia wrote:
> Funny, but seriously, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that
> different ethnic groups tend to have special, or unique, physical
Well, you looking like the leprechaun love child of Benny Hill and
Harry Chapin doesn't make it SO, does it?
Salvador Astucia
> > Funny, but seriously, there is nothing wrong with acknowledging that
> > different ethnic groups tend to have special, or unique, physical
the almighty Griff (Eric B) wrote:
> Well, you looking like the leprechaun love child of Benny Hill and
> Harry Chapin doesn't make it SO, does it?
Why do people get so upset just because I suggested that Paul
McCartney's mother might have been Jewish? The person who started this
thread suggested Ringo was Jewish, and no one seemed particularly upset
about it. Why is it taboo to suggest the same thing about Paul?
Salvador
the almighty Griff
Salvador Astucia wrote:
> the almighty Griff (Eric B) wrote:
> > Well, you looking like the leprechaun love child of Benny Hill and
> > Harry Chapin doesn't make it SO, does it?
>
> Why do people get so upset just because I suggested that Paul
> McCartney's mother might have been Jewish? The person who started this
> thread suggested Ringo was Jewish, and no one seemed particularly upset
> about it. Why is it taboo to suggest the same thing about Paul?
You are an offensive human being, Davy. And I'm still not Eric, you
crack investigator you.
> Salvador
Salvador Astucia
the almighty Griff wrote:
> Salvador Astucia wrote:
> > the almighty Griff (Eric B) wrote:
> > > Well, you looking like the leprechaun love child of Benny Hill and
> > > Harry Chapin doesn't make it SO, does it?
> >
> > Why do people get so upset just because I suggested that Paul
> > McCartney's mother might have been Jewish? The person who started this
> > thread suggested Ringo was Jewish, and no one seemed particularly upset
> > about it. Why is it taboo to suggest the same thing about Paul?
>
Why is it offensive to discuss someone's ethnicity? (BTW, I didn't
start this thread.) I wasn't putting Paul down, just making
observations.
Salvador