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Subject: Re: Yoko Ono -- a controversial figure at best
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On Oct 7, 10:16=A0pm, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 5:53=A0am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Oct 6, 7:20=A0pm, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > > On Oct 6, 2:33=A0pm, Tralfaz <w...@woofwoofwoofwoofwoofwoofwoofwoof.c=
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> > > wrote:
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> > > > On 04-Oct-12 17:06, topazgalaxy wrote:
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> > > > > On Oct 4, 5:06 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Oct 4, 5:03 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>> On Oct 4, 5:02 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>> On Oct 4, 4:59 pm, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>> On Sep 17, 6:41 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote=
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> > > > >>>>>> On Sep 1, 10:51 am, c dubois <curtissdub...@gmail.com> wrote=
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> > > > >>>>>>> On Aug 26, 9:23 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> wro=
te:
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> > > > >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 12:06 am, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.ne=
t> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 5:46 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com> w=
rote:
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 3:50 am, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrot=
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 1:09 am, topazgalaxy <topazgal...@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 20, 2:20 am, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wr=
ote:
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 18, 6:27 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wro=
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "P-Dub" <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:JqUXr.5457$f31.4550@newsfe12.iad...
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It=92s impossible to even simply enjoy Lennon=92s m=
emory (which she
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steadfastly curates.)
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> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What nonsense. =A0Hey, I don't like her singing eith=
er, but I'm perfectly
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of enjoying Lennon's memory despite that.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny how you let a person you claim not to like rul=
e your life.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> We would all like to enjoy Lennon's memory, but part =
of the problem is
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Yoko controls the estate. =A0Hence, often when a=
 book or movie is
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> released,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yoko has her hand in it. =A0She uses her power to con=
trol and influence
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> what is released about John; Yoko uses her power over=
 the Lennon
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> estate to sanitize
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth or to give it a certain flavor that whitewa=
shes some of the
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> things she did.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> as the saying goes =A0from the book =A0The Expected On=
e, "history is not
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> what actually happened; history is what gets written d=
own."
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Yoko has the ability =A0to make sure whatever history =
(of John with her)
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is expressed in a Broadway show, a movie, a book =A0is=
 twisted/
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> exaggerated in her favor =A0with any project that requ=
ires her stamp of
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> approval. =A0She also probably can use her =A0power an=
d influence to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> legally alter certain websites as well like wikipedia.=
 I have =A0read
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wikipedia from time to time , putting in Yoko Ono in t=
he search box,
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and it is fascinating to say the least how =A0the arti=
cle on Yoko in
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wikipedia has evolved over the years from =A0 controve=
rsial =A0at best to
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> "walks on water, amazing goddess and artist".
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Wikpedia also had a statement there that no further ch=
anges can be
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> made to the article...very unusual for them . =A0I won=
der if a lawsuit
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> led to that.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I agree. =A0Yoko is very protective of her legacy, and =
she uses John's
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> legacy and her power over the estate to make sure she g=
ets good press.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes =A0I agree =A0. =A0 She lost John and gained fame an=
d a much more
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> positive legacy.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> How did she gain fame after John's death? I would have go=
ne to
> > > > >>>>>>>>> see him, (if it had worked out) and been "forced" to see =
her too.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Since she's now alone, I wouldn't go see her. I think I s=
peak
> > > > >>>>>>>>> for many people on this subject. So how did she gain fame=
?
> > > > >>>>>>>>> And how does she have a much more positive legacy without
> > > > >>>>>>>>> him? It makes no sense.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> she gained fame as the widow of John Lennon and she gained=
 pity and
> > > > >>>>>>>> attention and =A0control of all his wealth.. =A0Now that J=
ohn was dead,
> > > > >>>>>>>> fans and others who wanted =A0to know the juicy details of=
 John's last
> > > > >>>>>>>> days, or other details of his personal life could no longe=
r interview
> > > > >>>>>>>> John or wait for new material, because he was dead, so Yok=
o became
> > > > >>>>>>>> the =A0"Cairo Geniza" =A0of lost details and documents. =
=A0People realized
> > > > >>>>>>>> if they wanted more material on John they would often have=
 to go
> > > > >>>>>>>> through Yoko. =A0They would have to go through her for mov=
ies, articles
> > > > >>>>>>>> etc etc. =A0She became =A0the "Fountain of Truth" on the J=
ohn and Yoko
> > > > >>>>>>>> relationship. =A0As a result, history could be re-interpre=
ted through
> > > > >>>>>>>> Yoko-- history of how he felt on the Beatles, his family i=
n Britain,
> > > > >>>>>>>> Julian etc etc.
> > > > >>>>>>>> When John was alive , =A0he was like a tall magnificent Oa=
k tree and
> > > > >>>>>>>> Yoko was living =A0 as a sapling =A0 =A0buried in his shad=
ow. =A0The tree was
> > > > >>>>>>>> cut down, and =A0now the sapling could use his money and h=
is
> > > > >>>>>>>> reputation =A0 to have her own =A0period in the sun. =A0Th=
en of course there
> > > > >>>>>>>> is that little, minor point about =A0cancelling security s=
hortly before
> > > > >>>>>>>> John was murdered....
>
> > > > >>>>>>> After John died, Yoko and her representatives began to put =
out an
> > > > >>>>>>> altered version of the John and Yoko story. =A0There was th=
is made for
> > > > >>>>>>> TV movie about the two of them which portrayed Yoko as the =
more
> > > > >>>>>>> important and talented and artustic member if the duo, and =
said
> > > > >>>>>>> nothing about John Lennon's or the Beatles' importance to p=
opular
> > > > >>>>>>> culture. =A0It was as if the people behind the project were=
 trying to
> > > > >>>>>>> build Yoko up and tear Lennon down. =A0Also there was that =
weird,
> > > > >>>>>>> rambling article in Rolling Stone magazine about how John w=
as this
> > > > >>>>>>> helpless child and Yoko wad this amazing artist and sorcere=
ss. =A0Also
> > > > >>>>>>> numerous interviews from Yoko and her promiters.
>
> > > > >>>>>> thanks and yes I agree with you
>
> > > > >>>>> Anyone watch the Presidential debates last night? =A0One of t=
he best
> > > > >>>>> debates I have ever seen. =A0It became very clear what a dist=
inct choice
> > > > >>>>> we will have in November
>
> > > > >>>> Some of the commentators at MSNBC =A0were very upset about Oba=
ma's
> > > > >>>> performance however I think they =A0were too hard on their
> > > > >>>> candidate....well so much for objective news shows!
> > > > >>>> The next debate later this month I believe is the town hall fo=
rmat in
> > > > >>>> NY. I also am eager to see the VP candidate debates.
>
> > > > >>> I wonder who Yoko will vote for....she is part of the 1% so the=
y say.
>
> > > > >> I thought Mitt Romney was very effective while the moderator was
> > > > >> trying to =A0 keep the candidate's 'speeches' shorter; =A0he (Ji=
m Lehrer)
> > > > >> just could not =A0get the 2 candidates to stay within the time l=
imits,
> > > > >> especially Obama.
>
> > > > > Well no matter how we look at it, =A0November should be interesti=
ng!
>
> > > > Who's "we"? You are the only one having the conversation. The rest =
of us
> > > > are talking about the Beatles.
>
> > > > You have been marginalised because of your hatred for Yoko and inab=
ility
> > > > to post on topic.
>
> > > > So you keep talking to yourself like a fruitcake and we will talk t=
o
> > > > each other about the Beatles.
>
> > > I've never seen you talk about the Beatles.
>
> > Thanks.
> > And besides, talking about Yoko is =A0on topic =A0IMO
>
> He never talks about the Beatles. He did at one time and
> said he like Cream.

well  Mr Snot and some others are not happy unless   they are
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