7 most overrated rock bands of all times?

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

1) The Beach Boys
The British Invasion peers were much better
2) Van Halen
So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
3) The Police
There were better bands in the late 70s
4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
Except a few songs nothing great about them
5) Fleetwood Mac
One album wonder
6) The Eagles
Except a few songs nothing great about them
7) REM
Overrated by indie fans.

[Me]

On May 21, 10:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com, the only girl in the world
who enjoys standing in the middle of a circle jerk wrote nothing of
importance again.

[John Riley, BDS]

On May 21, 10:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 1) The Beach Boys

> The British Invasion peers were much better IN RAJA'S OPINION
> 2) Van Halen
> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR IN RAJA'S OPINION
> 3) The Police
> There were better bands in the late 70s IN RAJA'S OPINION

> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

> Except a few songs nothing great about them IN RAJA'S OPINION
> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder IN RAJA'S OPINION
> 6) The Eagles
> Except a few songs nothing great about them IN RAJA'S OPINION
> 7) REM
> Overrated by indie fans IN RAJA'S OPINION

[Professor X]

REM & Tom petty are not overrated.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

So you agree about the rest?

[globular]

zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 1) The Beach Boys
> The British Invasion peers were much better

There is so much to learn about the Beach Boys.

> 2) Van Halen
> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
> 3) The Police
> There were better bands in the late 70s
> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder
> 6) The Eagles
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 7) REM
> Overrated by indie fans.

Indie fans are overrated.

>

[Eiron]

zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:

> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder

Which one album was that then?

--
Eiron.

[progea]

Beach off, Raja!

[RichL]

Nothing Raja wrote is overrated (except for himself of course).

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 9:37 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Okay lets remove REM and put Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
I friggin hate the boss. Anyone who calls himself The BOSS has to be
an asshole.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 9:45 am, Eiron <E1...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 5) Fleetwood Mac
> > One album wonder
>
> Which one album was that then?

Rumours. Lets face it, Fleetwood Mac are on top 100 lists because of
Peter Green. They get there because of the Nicks era.

[Chuck]

On May 21, 10:33�am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

I've never understood the whole 'Police'... 'Sting' fasination. Stuart
Copeland is a great drummer. The greatness just about ends there. I
also never understood the belief that Eric Clapton is amongst the
greatest guitarist, etc. Juste taste perhaps.
CB
"The problem with 'mind over matter' is that mind *is* matter" - Me

[number_six]

At #1 on this list, I think the overrating of the Beach Boys is way
overrated.

The Smiths were overrated.

[jasonca...@gmail.com]

> an asshole.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I read one review by this guy who hated Springsteen too. He said if
he's the *boss* than I'm a *disgruntled
employee*

[who?]

Please don't make me go into my speech again
about this overrated/underated topic. One
poster is a little pissed off. I mainly
did it though for PR as a joke, though
I know I'm right. :-)

[JohnB]

Who is over-rating these bands? It's all opinion and on one list a
band may be rated highly, on another not so highly. So what? An over-
rated band *to me* is simply a band that other people like more than I
do. So, as far as I'm concerned, AC/DC are over-rated, so are
Radiohead and Coldplay, so is Prince, and so on, but there is no
relevance to any of these over- or under-rated artists unless I have a
point of reference that is relevant to me, and all I care about is
finding good new music. This means that if a band is called "under-
rated" by someone whose tastes I know to be similar to mine, I may get
a lead to something interesting. I don't see how anything else matters
- except at the level of schoolyard banter by 10 year olds.
Hey, I like some Bruce Springsteen stuff: Thunder Road and Born To Run
are superb, same goes for most of The Rising; I like The River so much
I sing it myself. I like some Sting and Police tracks too; Sting's
first two solo studio albums are full of great songs. Do I care that
you think they're over-rated? No.
As for under-rated artists? A far more useful topic - potentially -
but not when it just turns into another slanging match.

[amy]

On May 21, 9:37 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

why must you

[amy]

On May 21, 9:45 am, Eiron <E1...@hotmail.com> wrote:

why must you feed rajas addiction?

[amy]

enabler!

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 10:13 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:

> I read one review by this guy who hated Springsteen too. He said if
> he's the *boss* than I'm a *disgruntled
> employee*

Springsteen before 1984 had an original sound, great imagery in his
lyrics, and a decent band.

Since bellowing "Born in the USA" for the first time, Springsteen
never matched his 70s output. For a while, he catered to commercial
tasted. Now he's just a filthy-rich guy trying to sound like a rail-
riding Depression-era Okie.

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 10:13 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:

> I read one review by this guy who hated Springsteen too. He said if
> he's the *boss* than I'm a *disgruntled
> employee*

Springsteen before 1984 had an original sound, great imagery in his

lyrics, and a decent band.

Since bellowing "Born in the USA" for the first time, Springsteen
never matched his 70s output. For a while, he catered to commercial

tastes. Now he's just a filthy-rich guy trying to sound like a rail-
riding Depression-era Okie.

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 9:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder

Which Fleetwood Mac? Assuming that you mean their mid-70s incarnation,
they had at least two great albums.

[R. Totale]

1)Led Zeppelin
The song remains inane, and every one of them plods on forever. I
could sing like that, too, if somebody drove a staple into my tongue.
2)Yes
Couple good singles, then albums and albums full of wank (a subject
that as we know Raja is intimately familiar with). I could sing like
that, too, if somebody cut my balls off and =then= drove a staple into
my tongue.
3)Pink Floyd
Unbelievably tedious one-chord jams played by musicians who apparently
never practised all that much, punctuated by robot fart synthesizer
bleeps and oddly incongruous white-boy blues guitar solos. I don't
think I have an unusually high threshold of pain, but you couldn't
hurt me enough to make me sing like that.

oh, and fuck off, Raja.

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[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 12:16 pm, R. Totale <slangtr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 1)Led Zeppelin
> The song remains inane, and every one of them plods on forever. I
> could sing like that, too, if somebody drove a staple into my tongue.

Communication Breakdown and Immigrant song plods forever? Just
trolling right? You like Zeppelin

> 2)Yes
> Couple good singles, then albums and albums full of wank (a subject
> that as we know Raja is intimately familiar with).  I could sing like
> that, too, if somebody cut my balls off and =then= drove a staple into
> my tongue.

LOL, there is no wanking on CTTE. If you are talking about think
Allman Bros. Trolling again, I know you like Yes.

> 3)Pink Floyd
> Unbelievably tedious one-chord jams played by musicians who apparently
> never practised all that much, punctuated by robot fart synthesizer
> bleeps and oddly incongruous white-boy blues guitar solos.  I don't
> think I have an unusually high threshold of pain, but you couldn't
> hurt me enough to make me sing like that.

This is just plain lie. You like Floyd as well.

Nice try to piss me off. It didnt work. And why Zep/Floyd/Yes in a
thread in which I didnt mention them at all.

[RichL]

JohnB <john...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote:

> - except at the level of schoolyard banter by 10 year olds.

There you go!!

[Me]

On May 21, 12:32 pm, Gracchus <cernunn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Now he's just a filthy-rich guy trying to sound like a rail-
> riding Depression-era Okie.

LOLLLL So true. I always wondered how and why this community college
dropout who played in bars at Jersey beach towns ended up trying to
sound like Woody Guthrie. Must be a Jersey thing. Whenever Bon Jovi's
voice is forced upon me, he sounds the same way.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

I agree. I never liked Clapton. He was the worst Yardbird out there.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

Since many people think they are overrated, it does not mean they are
not overrated. Critics still suck up to them.
>
> The Smiths were overrated.

But no longer.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 10:13 am, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:

> employee*- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

lol

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 10:45 am, JohnB <johnbo...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote:

> Who is over-rating these bands?

Critics, VH1, Rolling Stone, Digitaldreamdoor, Allmusic. Need any
other sites?

> It's all opinion and on one list a
> band may be rated highly, on another not so highly.

Not so, they are overrated on all lists and sites out there.

> So what? An over-
> rated band *to me* is simply a band that other people like more than I
> do.

Wrong definition. An overrated band is someone with a lousy track
record (mediocre albums) and still are present on all top 10/100 lists
because of their *cultural importance*

> So, as far as I'm concerned, AC/DC are over-rated

Not really they have two albums which are considered classics by fans
- HTH and BIB

>, so are
> Radiohead

I dont like them, but they are well respected by rock fans.

>and Coldplay

Nobody rates them high. They sell a lot though.

>, so is Prince,

Not my area of expertise, so no comments.

[The Arranger]

On May 21, 1:16 pm, R. Totale <slangtr...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> )Pink Floyd
> Unbelievably tedious one-chord jams played by musicians who apparently
> never practised all that much, punctuated by robot fart synthesizer
> bleeps and oddly incongruous white-boy blues guitar solos.  I don't
> think I have an unusually high threshold of pain, but you couldn't
> hurt me enough to make me sing like that.

To recycle a great quote from former Baltimore Orioles manager Earl
Weaver on his decision to drop struggling veteran screwballer Mike
Cuellar from the rotation in the 1970s: I've given Pink Floyd more
chances than I gave my first wife. My reaction is the same as yours,
although I like "Money" -- always had a soft spot for odd time
signatures. I always thought that my preference for hops over hemp had
a lot to do with it.

The Arranger

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

Anyone who think Floyd only made music for stoners is retarded

[who?]

On May 21, 10:45 am, JohnB <johnbo...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote:

There you go, John. LOL

[who?]

they weren't trying to you off...it was an opinion.

[The Arranger]

You, but where do you stand on the Cuellar issue?

The Arranger

[who?]

On May 21, 12:35 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> JohnB <johnbo...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote:
> > - except at the level of schoolyard banter by 10 year olds.
>
> There you go!!

I said it first! :-)

[Dale Houstman]

zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 21, 9:37 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 21, 3:33 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> 1) The Beach Boys
>>> The British Invasion peers were much better
>>> 2) Van Halen
>>> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
>>> 3) The Police
>>> There were better bands in the late 70s
>>> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
>>> Except a few songs nothing great about them
>>> 5) Fleetwood Mac
>>> One album wonder
>>> 6) The Eagles
>>> Except a few songs nothing great about them
>>> 7) REM
>>> Overrated by indie fans.
>> REM & Tom petty are not overrated.
>
> Okay lets remove REM and put Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
> I friggin hate the boss. Anyone who calls himself The BOSS has to be
> an asshole.
>

Yeah - but he DIDN'T call himself the Boss - that was conferred upon him
by others.

dmh

[Dale Houstman]

Chuck wrote:
> On May 21, 10:33�am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I've never understood the whole 'Police'... 'Sting' fasination. Stuart
> Copeland is a great drummer. The greatness just about ends there. I
> also never understood the belief that Eric Clapton is amongst the
> greatest guitarist, etc. Juste taste perhaps.
> CB
> "The problem with 'mind over matter' is that mind *is* matter" - Me

I don't get the Police and Clapton adoration either. But that's that...

It's your sig I'm most interested in: mind is NOT matter: mind is a
rather amorphous concept but it doesn't refer to the brain, but to a
nexus of events/effects that is generated by a compromise between
body/brain/environment/etc. It is roughly akin to the brain's "soul" - a
semi-mystical concept, maybe even a specious notion, but not matter.

dmh

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 1:41 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:

And he accepted it.

[Tony Elka]

In article
<e442ca06-126a-4f6b...@s31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:

What options did he have? He'd have gotten hammered for being pissy
about it too.

Tony

P.S. The usenet newsgroups rec.sport.tennis AND rec.sport.soccer have
been removed from this cross-posted reply because I'm not insane.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 2:05 pm, Tony Elka <shadowl...@shadowlane.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e442ca06-126a-4f6b-b78f-3fc38f400...@s31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On May 21, 9:37 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Okay lets remove REM and put Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
> > > > I friggin hate the boss. Anyone who calls himself The BOSS has to be
> > > > an asshole.
>
> > > Yeah - but he DIDN'T call himself the Boss - that was conferred upon him
> > > by others.
>
> > And he accepted it.
>
> What options did he have?  He'd have gotten hammered for being pissy
> about it too.

He should have nipped it in the bud. Now it is too late to renounce
it.

[cefalu 93]

On May 21, 9:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 1) The Beach Boys
> The British Invasion peers were much better
> 2) Van Halen
> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
> 3) The Police
> There were better bands in the late 70s
> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder
> 6) The Eagles
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 7) REM
> Overrated by indie fans.

******************************************************
As far as The Beach Boys ?...listen to "Pet Sounds" .

In the same vein listen to Brian Wilson's song,
"Sister Golden Hair Surprise", (recorded by America ),
the dynamics of
which, I myself used in a song I composed .

Van Halen,The Police, Petty, Mac, Eagles,
sure !

Throw all of them under the bus , I agree ! Ha !

(I think one of the most ANNOYING songs of ALL TIME is
"Hotel California" . VERY "STILTED" METER, and about a place that, as
a Chicagoan ...I HATE ! (California ! )

R.E.M ? They did some great songs early, but once they
signed that record high Sony contract, they seemed to disappear
off the planet !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=TW&hl=zh-TW&v=4pjN347wTww

I couldn't find the recorded America version,
("Sister Golden Hair Surprise" ),
but this one by some bloke named
Declan, (is he an A.I. guy ? ) ...isn't bad at all !

tony .

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 2:23 pm, cefalu 93 <cefal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 9:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:> 1) The Beach Boys
> > The British Invasion peers were much better
> > 2) Van Halen
> > So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
> > 3) The Police
> > There were better bands in the late 70s
> > 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
> > Except a few songs nothing great about them
> > 5) Fleetwood Mac
> > One album wonder
> > 6) The Eagles
> > Except a few songs nothing great about them
> > 7) REM
> > Overrated by indie fans.
>
> ******************************************************
> As far as The Beach Boys ?...listen to "Pet Sounds" .

I heard it many times now. Tried my level best to fgure whatsogreat
about it. Found God Only Knows and Wouldnt it be Nice are merely nice.
The rest are mediocre.

>
> In the same vein listen to Brian Wilson's song,
> "Sister Golden Hair Surprise", (recorded by America ),
> the dynamics of
> which, I myself used in a song I composed .
>
> Van Halen,The Police, Petty, Mac, Eagles,
> sure !
>
> Throw all of them under the bus , I agree !  Ha !
>
> (I think one of the most ANNOYING songs of ALL TIME is
> "Hotel California" . VERY "STILTED" METER, and about a place that, as
> a Chicagoan ...I HATE ! (California ! )

I agree. Hotel California makes me wanna puke.

>
> R.E.M ? They did some great songs early, but once they
> signed that record high Sony contract, they seemed to disappear
> off the planet !

I think Bruce Springsteen and the Fake Street Band should replace REM.
REM meant something for alternative rock, so deserve some credit.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

> they weren't trying to you off...it was an opinion.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

No, it wasnt an opinion. Tony Elka is a prog fan and also a fan of
Floyd and Yes. I dont know whether he hates Zep, but I highly doubt
it. No prog fan will completely hate Zep.

[Manx Gunner]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:36 -0700 (PDT), wrote...

> 1) The Beach Boys
> The British Invasion peers were much better
> 2) Van Halen
> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
> 3) The Police
> There were better bands in the late 70s
> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder
> 6) The Eagles
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 7) REM
> Overrated by indie fans.

#1: the Beatles

[Chuck]

On May 21, 2:47�pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:

> It's your sig I'm most interested in: mind is NOT matter: mind is a
> rather amorphous concept but it doesn't refer to the brain, but to a
> nexus of events/effects that is generated by a compromise between
> body/brain/environment/etc. It is roughly akin to the brain's "soul" - a
> semi-mystical concept, maybe even a specious notion, but not matter.
>
> dmh

Environment etc. still has effect on *matter*, namely, the brain. And,
yes I do believe that notions such as "soul", etc. are silly. The more
we learn about molecular neuro-bio-psychiatry, the more we are
realizing that the mind is nothing more than 'matter', ie: mainly the
brain but far from limited to only it - and what it produces (range of
consciousness). Despite what a long historical line of superstitious
beliefs tell you.
CB
"The problem with 'mind over matter' is that that which produces what
we view as 'mind, *is* matter" - Me better?

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

While it is true that Beatles are overrated and blindly worshipped. It
is also true that they were NOT MEDIOCRE! So they cant make the list.

[James Tiberius Kirk]

> While it is true that Beatles are overrated and blindly worshipped. It
> is also true that they were NOT MEDIOCRE! So they cant make the list.

I got news for ya Raj, the Beatles suck.

[Professor X]

> is also true that they were NOT MEDIOCRE! So they cant make the list.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

How about underrated bands?... ill go for Staind

[Professor X]

oh coldplay... they are way way overrated.

[F Parella]

On May 21, 10:45 am, Eiron <E1...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 5) Fleetwood Mac
> > One album wonder
>

> Which one album was that then?

Good question.

[Joubert]

? No Coldplay?

[F Parella]

On May 21, 10:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> 7) REM
> Overrated by indie fans.

What?!? REM crossed over in '87 or '88. Their smash albums "Out of
Time" and "Automatic for the People" were still years away. They're
neither Indie nor overrated.

[Manx Gunner]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote...

There was no qualifier that the band be mediocre.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

> There was no qualifier that the band be mediocre.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

see the OP. I mention several times, that I consider the 7 bands to be
mediocre.

[jasonca...@gmail.com]

On May 21, 9:33 am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> 1) The Beach Boys
> The British Invasion peers were much better
> 2) Van Halen
> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
> 3) The Police
> There were better bands in the late 70s
> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 5) Fleetwood Mac
> One album wonder
> 6) The Eagles
> Except a few songs nothing great about them
> 7) REM
> Overrated by indie fans.

What about Radiohead.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

They are the only decent rock band out there these days ;-) I think
they were quite experimental with the electronic sound on Kid A. Gotta
admire them for that. They definitely ripped off the Krautrock bands
and were not really original. But they did meld the krautrock sound
into the alternative/grungy sound. So at least for their efforts they
get some extra points. I do despise how they are worshipped these
days.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 3:10 pm, Joubert <theawesomo40...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ? No Coldplay?

Does anybody rate them? Do they have chance of making a top 100 rock
artist list? Hell no.

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 2:23 pm, cefalu 93 <cefal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I couldn't find the recorded America version,
> ("Sister Golden Hair Surprise" ),
> but this one by some bloke named
> Declan, (is he an A.I. guy ? ) ...isn't bad at all !

The America song "Sister Golden Hair" was written by Gerry Beckley of
America, not Brian Wilson.

[LOL]

Indie fans like their initial albums and hate their stuff in the 90s.

[Tony Elka]

In article
<4f86458b-c1ac-43f2...@s21g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:

> No, it wasnt an opinion. Tony Elka is a prog fan and also a fan of
> Floyd and Yes. I dont know whether he hates Zep, but I highly doubt
> it. No prog fan will completely hate Zep.

I still enjoy their first two albums. And some of 3, 4 and 5. A few
from Physical Graffiti too.

Even so, I rarely listen to them these days. Might leave the channel on
the satellite radio on when one of them is playing, especially if I'm
taking a shower.

Tony

[Tony Elka]

In article
<c40660a1-346b-42e7...@m17g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:

What could have have done to nip it?

Tony

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 3:39 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:

> What about Radiohead.

Better yet, what about U2?

They had a few good early songs, but before long, it was always Bono
wailing over the same churning guitar riff. They probably came to be
regarded as a superband because of Bono's political histrionics rather
than for any great music.

[jasonca...@gmail.com]

True, but it seems like Radiohead gets hyped even more and are more of
a critics' fave band.

[LOL]

On May 21, 3:54 pm, Gracchus <cernunn...@hotmail.com> wrote:

An extremely overrated band. Yes they have been crap ever since
Achtung Baby. But they did release War and Joshua Tree before that
which were pretty good. I dont know they could replace REM. They annoy
me. I find them one dimensional as well.

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 4:00 pm, LOL <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> An extremely overrated band. Yes they have been crap ever since
> Achtung Baby. But they did release War and Joshua Tree before that
> which were pretty good. I dont know they could replace REM. They annoy
> me. I find them one dimensional as well.

Yeah, it's kind of a toss-up. In Michael Stipe, REM had one of the
most annoying lead vocalists of all time.

[who?]

If he said that was his opinion, he hated Zep.

[josephm...@netzero.com]

"Boy," "War," and "The Joshua Tree" are bona fide great albums.
"Achtung Baby," "All That You Can't Leave Behind," and "How to
Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" are very good albums. There is good music on
most of the other U2 albums too (though I confess to a lack of
interest in "Zooropa" and "Pop"). Although U2's music does lean
heavily toward the anthemic, they're excellent songwriters as well.
Bono's outsize ego and showy antics are the periphery, not the core.

Joe Ramirez

[josephm...@netzero.com]

Radiohead is the best rock band of the last 15 years. However, they've
always been much more experimental and introspective, and much less
popular with a mass audience, than U2.

Joe Ramirez

[Joubert]

jasonca...@gmail.com wrote:

> True, but it seems like Radiohead gets hyped even more and are more of
> a critics' fave band.

I agree. It is all the more irritating because of the millions of posers
who will just repeat what they read from critics so that saying
"radiohead is mostly hype" out loud has become comparable to defending
child pornography.

[josephm...@netzero.com]

That's actually not far from the truth. Everything from "Chronic Town"
through "Document" was superb. Starting with "Green," they became more
mainstream and less consistent, but still very good at times. Starting
with "New Adventures in Hi-Fi," they became dull. "Accelerate" is
their most listenable album in years.

Joe Ramirez

[Chuck]

On May 21, 3:57�pm, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> How about underrated bands?.

I'd say 'Kansas'. Some would say they had good recognition with
Leftoverture sales and 'Carry on' and 'Dust in the Wind' singles.
However they could and probably should have been up there with the all-
time prog greats. ie: PF, Yes, Genesis.......... very talented group.
Listen to 'Leftoverture' some time *again*. Incredible musicians in
every way!
CB
"We fit together like a lock and a key, and we open up each others
minds"

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 4:11 pm, josephmrami...@netzero.com wrote:

> "Boy," "War," and "The Joshua Tree" are bona fide great albums.
> "Achtung Baby," "All That You Can't Leave Behind," and "How to
> Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" are very good albums. There is good music on
> most of the other U2 albums too (though I confess to a lack of
> interest in "Zooropa" and "Pop"). Although U2's music does lean
> heavily toward the anthemic, they're excellent songwriters as well.
> Bono's outsize ego and showy antics are the periphery, not the core.

I agree about "Boy" and "War." U2 had an appealing sound on those
early albums that changed quite a bit by "The Joshua Tree." I'm aware
of the critical acclaim that album received, but never was a fan of
it, and the songs thereafter that got radio play sounded repetitive.
To be fair, I have listened to no "post-Joshua" U2 album in its
entirety.

[jasonca...@gmail.com]

On May 21, 4:11 pm, josephmrami...@netzero.com wrote:

Yeah, they can definitely still churn out good pop songs, but Bono is
just incredibly tedious.

I saw them in concert a few years back and they did that song that has
a part for Pavarotti. Of course
Pavarotti wasn't there so Bono did the whole thing. He actually did it
well, but still at the end of the song I was
expecting some sort of self-deprecating humor. But no! Nothing. It
seemed the bastard did the song just to show off his voice and elevate
his stature even more among his adoring fans.

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 4:29 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:

> I saw them in concert a few years back and they did that song that has
> a part for Pavarotti. Of course
> Pavarotti wasn't there so Bono did the whole thing. He actually did it
> well, but still at the end of the song I was
> expecting some sort of self-deprecating humor. But no! Nothing. It
> seemed the bastard did the song just to show off his voice and elevate
> his stature even more among his adoring fans.

LOL. Bono's ego rivals Sting's. I'd like to smash those tinted
wraparounds. :)

[josephm...@netzero.com]

On May 21, 5:29 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 21, 4:11 pm, josephmrami...@netzero.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 4:54 pm, Gracchus <cernunn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 3:39 pm, jasoncatlin1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > What about Radiohead.
>
> > > Better yet, what about U2?
>
> > > They had a few good early songs, but before long, it was always Bono
> > > wailing over the same churning guitar riff. They probably came to be
> > > regarded as a superband because of Bono's political histrionics rather
> > > than for any great music.
>
> > "Boy," "War," and "The Joshua Tree" are bona fide great albums.
> > "Achtung Baby," "All That You Can't Leave Behind," and "How to
> > Dismantle an Atomic Bomb" are very good albums. There is good music on
> > most of the other U2 albums too (though I confess to a lack of
> > interest in "Zooropa" and "Pop"). Although U2's music does lean
> > heavily toward the anthemic, they're excellent songwriters as well.
> > Bono's outsize ego and showy antics are the periphery, not the core.
>
> > Joe Ramirez
>
> Yeah, they can definitely still churn out good pop songs, but Bono is
> just incredibly tedious.

Popular music is a heavily personality-influenced genre of art. Many
people base their likes and dislikes on personality factors, which of
course is natural. Confusion arises only when more formal aesthetic
judgments, not just personal tastes, also turn on personalities. In
other words, it's fine with me if someone dislikes U2 because Bono can
be an ass, but I would object if someone claimed that U2's music is of
little value because Bono can be an ass.

Joe Ramirez

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 4:40 pm, josephmrami...@netzero.com wrote:

> Popular music is a heavily personality-influenced genre of art. Many
> people base their likes and dislikes on personality factors, which of
> course is natural. Confusion arises only when more formal aesthetic
> judgments, not just personal tastes, also turn on personalities. In
> other words, it's fine with me if someone dislikes U2 because Bono can
> be an ass, but I would object if someone claimed that U2's music is of
> little value because Bono can be an ass.

Agreed. I don't think anyone here has said that, though. What I
implied in my post was more the reverse--that I suspected U2's
reputation may have been elevated by Bono's larger-than-life persona
and political activism. Obviously, there is no way to prove this, but
I believe cult-of-personality cuts both ways.

[josephm...@netzero.com]

No doubt about that. We can under- or overestimate based on
personality. Lots of dreck gets elevated because the public wants a
sex goddess, hero, etc. But on rare occasions, really good material
gets produced by someone who also happens to serve well as a sex
goddess, hero, etc.

Joe Ramirez

[Dale Houstman]

zepf...@yahoo.com wrote:

> On May 21, 1:41 pm, Dale Houstman <d...@skypoint.com> wrote:
>> zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

>>> On May 21, 9:37 am, Professor X <sueboka...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>> On May 21, 3:33 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> 1) The Beach Boys
>>>>> The British Invasion peers were much better
>>>>> 2) Van Halen
>>>>> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
>>>>> 3) The Police
>>>>> There were better bands in the late 70s
>>>>> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
>>>>> Except a few songs nothing great about them
>>>>> 5) Fleetwood Mac
>>>>> One album wonder
>>>>> 6) The Eagles
>>>>> Except a few songs nothing great about them

>>>>> 7) REM
>>>>> Overrated by indie fans.

>>>> REM & Tom petty are not overrated.

>>> Okay lets remove REM and put Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
>>> I friggin hate the boss. Anyone who calls himself The BOSS has to be
>>> an asshole.
>> Yeah - but he DIDN'T call himself the Boss - that was conferred upon him
>> by others.
>
> And he accepted it.

Well - now you're moving away from your original statement (that he
called himself the Boss) at a fast clip, and this new one isn't much
more accurate. While I admit he hasn't gone out of his way to say "don't
call me the Boss" (which would be pretty stupid), I have NEVER seen him
say he "accepts" that he is the Boss, or use the term to describe
himself. So what we are really left with is that someone called him the
Boss, others caught on to it, but there is no proof that Springsteen
himself relishes the term, unless you are saying the fact that he hasn't
gone out of his way to deny the "nom de rock" is evidence of his
accepting it. But it isn't.

Springsteen is not my favorite musician, but he hardly qualifies as one
of the most self-besotted personalities in rock.

dmh

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

Actually dont you think, being called "The Boss" feels stupid? If
anybody called me The Boss, I would so bitch slap him back.

[Gracchus]

On May 21, 6:00 pm, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Actually dont you think, being called "The Boss" feels stupid? If
> anybody called me The Boss, I would so bitch slap him back.

It was always my impression that the title of "The Boss" arose from
fans who saw Springsteen's songs as a voice for the working class.
Since Bruce supposedly understood and cared about their concerns, he
was more the "Boss" than the bosses they worked for who represented
interests of the overclass. Maybe some hardcore Springsteen fan on rst
can verify or refute this.

In any case, considering how rich he is and has been for the last
thirty years, working class hero is a dubious role for him.

[number_six]

I agree, some very valid material early on, but for many, many years
now I can say, quite truthfully, that I'd far rather listen to
Negativland than to U2.

[zepf...@yahoo.com]

On May 21, 4:11 pm, josephmrami...@netzero.com wrote:

you have low standards or a big U2 fanboy. I owned Achtung Baby and
listened to it many times. I liked a few songs but it was overall a
BORRRRRRING monotonous album. The Joshua Tree was much better although
not an alltime classic. The second part of the album is not that good.

[Chuck]

On May 21, 5:32�pm, Gracchus <cernunn...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> LOL. Bono's ego rivals Sting's. I'd like to smash those tinted
> wraparounds. :)

Bono thinks God owes him an apology for having what should be his role
in the universe. Hey Bozo, not Bono, get over yourself, you are
nothing special at all.

[Tony Elka]

In article
<f273971e-0c2e-49de...@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Chuck <ShorT...@aol.com> wrote:

He's successful in a field where most aren't, his fans all over the
planet enjoy his music and he's concerned about several worthwhile
causes that he actually does something about.

Statistically, that is to say, compared to the vast majority of
humanity, that makes him special.

That makes you wrong Chuck. I can see that without being a Bono fan.

Tony

P.S. The usenet newsgroups rec.sport.tennis and rec.sport.soccer have
been removed from this cross-posted reply because I'm not insane.

[Lizz Holmans]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT), jasonca...@gmail.com
wrote:

> > REM & Tom petty are not overrated.
>>
>> Okay lets remove REM and put Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.
>> I friggin hate the boss. Anyone who calls himself The BOSS has to be

>> an asshole.- Hide quoted text -

>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

>I read one review by this guy who hated Springsteen too. He said if
>he's the *boss* than I'm a *disgruntled
>employee*

I suppose he dislikes every crooner with blue eyes, too.

Lizz 'ever hear of a 'nick-name' before?' Holmans

--

I stayed up late to hear your voice.

[Lizz Holmans]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 09:28:54 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
<cernu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Since bellowing "Born in the USA" for the first time, Springsteen
>never matched his 70s output. For a while, he catered to commercial
>tasted. Now he's just a filthy-rich guy trying to sound like a rail-
>riding Depression-era Okie.

And doing a damn good job of it, too.

Lizz 'where the drapes of Roth are stored' Holmans

[Dale Houstman]

Lizz Holmans wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 2009 09:28:54 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
> <cernu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Since bellowing "Born in the USA" for the first time, Springsteen
>> never matched his 70s output. For a while, he catered to commercial
>> tasted. Now he's just a filthy-rich guy trying to sound like a rail-
>> riding Depression-era Okie.
>
> And doing a damn good job of it, too.
>

Although I think Gracchus' evaluation here is well off the mark: how
does one really separate the "commercial" from the "non-commercial" in
popular music. It is - in part - the tension which necessarily exists
between "art" and "product" in pop music which lends a certain pathos to
the struggle. No great acolyte of Springsteen, I do think he is always
working against being merely "product" - there are literally hundreds
upon hundreds of other modern performers who could be considered vastly
more "commercial" than he is. And there is no real dichotomy which must
exists between being successful and being artistically worthwhile. If
there were, then there would be even less popular music which was
listenable. But...I have never really been totally convinced of Bruce's
"persona" (most clearly utilized in such work as "Nebraska") - it always
seemed second-hand to me: redolent of watching James Dean and John Ford
movies, and listening to Guthrie recordings. It seemed more cinematic
than first tier. Of course, the same problem/tension actually occurs in
such folks as Woody Guthrie himself, who - in great part - acted the
part of a "hick" to great effect, when he was a much more sophisticated
fellow. This continues with Dylan of course, who is famous for his
"masque". But almost all great entertainers act at being sincere, or
discover a series of personae to facilitate their expressions. In other
words - who knows?

dmh

[Diabolik]

"Chuck" <ShorT...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c1f30618-6f83-4afa...@b1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On May 21, 10:33?am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:

>I've never understood the whole 'Police'... 'Sting' fasination. Stuart
>Copeland is a great drummer. The greatness just about ends there.

I must have been disillusioned all these years about Sting.
I thought he was a great bass player and song writer.

Oh well...

> I
> also never understood the belief that Eric Clapton is amongst the
> greatest guitarist, etc. Juste taste perhaps.
> CB
> "The problem with 'mind over matter' is that mind *is* matter" - Me

[Dale Houstman]

Diabolik wrote:
> "Chuck" <ShorT...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:c1f30618-6f83-4afa...@b1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 21, 10:33?am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I've never understood the whole 'Police'... 'Sting' fasination. Stuart
>> Copeland is a great drummer. The greatness just about ends there.
>
> I must have been disillusioned all these years about Sting.
> I thought he was a great bass player and song writer.
>
> Oh well...

You misuse the word "disillusioned" in this context, but nonetheless...

We all have different opinions: I think Sting is a mediocre
instrumentalist and a less-than-mediocre songwriter for instance. His
sound is irksome in its uber-earnestness, and - to these old ears -
rather blandly professional at this point, lacking much oomph or
surprise. You may feel disillusioned if you desire to do so, but your
saying so won't make me feel that my opinion is less important or less
accurate than yours. If you like Sting's music, you are not so much
"deluded" (the word you likely meant to use), as simply exercising your
right to have your own musical taste. You may - in this universe - hold
one opinion while I (and others) hold another, and all without the
entire cosmos collapsing into Flatland.

dmh

[Diabolik]

"Dale Houstman" <dm...@skypoint.com> wrote in message
news:k9KdnYOAGaRvHYvX...@skypoint.com...

> Diabolik wrote:
>> "Chuck" <ShorT...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:c1f30618-6f83-4afa...@b1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 21, 10:33?am, zepflo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've never understood the whole 'Police'... 'Sting' fasination. Stuart
>>> Copeland is a great drummer. The greatness just about ends there.
>>
>> I must have been disillusioned all these years about Sting.
>> I thought he was a great bass player and song writer.
>>
>> Oh well...
>
>
> You misuse the word "disillusioned" in this context, but nonetheless...

Well thank you Einstein...my mother tongue is Italian so I might get some
English words wrong...but who cares...nonetheless...

>
> We all have different opinions: I think Sting is a mediocre
> instrumentalist and a less-than-mediocre songwriter for instance. His
> sound is irksome in its uber-earnestness, and - to these old ears - rather
> blandly professional at this point, lacking much oomph or surprise.

Fair enough...

> You may feel disillusioned if you desire to do so, but your saying so
> won't make me feel that my opinion is less important or less accurate than
> yours.

Of course not...

> If you like Sting's music, you are not so much "deluded" (the word you
> likely meant to use), as simply exercising your right to have your own
> musical taste. You may - in this universe - hold one opinion while I (and
> others) hold another, and all without the entire cosmos collapsing into
> Flatland.

Fo shizzle...

[Dale Houstman]

Diabolik wrote:
> "Dale Houstman" <dm...@skypoint.com> wrote in message

>>

>> You misuse the word "disillusioned" in this context, but nonetheless...
>
> Well thank you Einstein...my mother tongue is Italian so I might get some
> English words wrong...but who cares...nonetheless...

You know - I merely (and rather mildly) pointed out that you misused a
word. I am sorry that I was strangely unaware of your Italian mother
tongue. You would think I might have known that after reading your
dossier, and stalking you all those months. But...these things happen.
And I must say that your grasp of American idiom is oddly proficient
considering you miss the meaning of "disillusioned"...but who
cares...nonetheless. By the by, Wittegenstein: it doesn't take an
Einstein to distinguish between "deluded" and "disillusioned".

dmh

[Lizz Holmans]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 13:46:45 -0700, Tony Elka
<shado...@shadowlane.com> wrote:

>
>
>What could have have done to nip it?

Not much. My family still calls me by my nick-name that was given to
me before I was born. 'Liz' was bestowed on me by my fifth grade
teacher. I added the extra z cos that's what young teenage girls do
(although the second z is silent.).As I get older I find myself
reverting to Elizabeth for all business purposes,but that's only
because my bank insists on it.

I've always considered nick-names, when not derogatory, a sign of
affection or respect.

Lizz 'Gawd, if they really hated me they'd have used the original
choice ' Holmans

[Diabolik]

"Dale Houstman" <dm...@skypoint.com> wrote in message

news:tOadnRuSF7XWBYvX...@skypoint.com...

> Diabolik wrote:
>> "Dale Houstman" <dm...@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> You misuse the word "disillusioned" in this context, but nonetheless...
>>
>> Well thank you Einstein...my mother tongue is Italian so I might get some
>> English words wrong...but who cares...nonetheless...
>
> You know - I merely (and rather mildly) pointed out that you misused a
> word. I am sorry that I was strangely unaware of your Italian mother
> tongue. You would think I might have known that after reading your
> dossier, and stalking you all those months. But...these things happen.

Welll if they happen, I suggest you don't judge people on the words they
might use in a sentence.

> And I must say that your grasp of American idiom is oddly proficient
> considering you miss the meaning of "disillusioned"...but who
> cares...nonetheless. By the by, Wittegenstein: it doesn't take an Einstein
> to distinguish between "deluded" and "disillusioned".

Of course it doesn't if you know English, not American, well enough.
Anyway...who cares...btw...it's "Wittgenstein" not "Wittegenstein", unless
you're refering to another person.

[amy]

Raja's little pea-brain cannot even fathom such ideas

[amy]

> > dmh- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Well even though you are a bitch you haven't got the balls to slap
anyone so SIT BOY!

[Diabolik]

"Manx Gunner" <goal@4thegunners!com> wrote in message
news:MPG.247f7791f...@news-europe.giganews.com...
> On Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:36 -0700 (PDT), wrote...

>
>> 1) The Beach Boys
>> The British Invasion peers were much better
>> 2) Van Halen
>> So much inferior to AC/DC and even early 70s Aerosmith and GNR
>> 3) The Police
>> There were better bands in the late 70s
>> 4) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
>> Except a few songs nothing great about them
>> 5) Fleetwood Mac
>> One album wonder
>> 6) The Eagles
>> Except a few songs nothing great about them
>> 7) REM
>> Overrated by indie fans.
>

> #1: the Beatles

Their music was great because it was "simple".
Every musician probably starts with the Beatles as a basis.

[Tony Elka]

In article <yRxRl.12799$y61....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Diabolik" <Diab...@noemail.com> wrote:

> Welll if they happen, I suggest you don't judge people on the words they
> might use in a sentence.

All we can ever judge anyone by is their text when posting.

Tony

P.S. I have removed the usenet newsgroups rec.sport.tennis and
rec.sport.soccer from this cross-posted reply because I am not insane.

[cefalu 93]

> (I think one of the most ANNOYING songs of ALL TIME is
> > "Hotel California" .
******************************************************************************************
> I agree. Hotel California makes me wanna puke.
*******************************************************************************************
(Tony clapping !) "Bravo" !!!

R.E.M ?
>They did some great songs early, but once they
> > signed that record high Sony contract, they seemed to disappear
> > off the planet !
**************************************************************************************
> I think Bruce Springsteen and the Fake Street Band should replace REM.
> REM meant something for alternative rock, so deserve some credit.
**************************************************************************************
"Bravo" again ! ...For two things !

1) R.E.M. WAS good !
Hell, I think a lot of band would cut their dicks off
if they could do just ONE SONG as good as "Finding My Religion" .

(That song about Andy Kaufman was great also ! )

2) THANK YOU !
I was a-scared to say that Springsteen sucked donkey dick.
(Mainly because of all the Dylan fans on mrb, whom Brucie has been
compared to !!! )

tony .

[who?]

You shouldn't ever fear talking about the artists you dislike.