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Marcus
Aug 20, 2012, 9:29:48 PM8/20/12
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My 40th anniversary remembrance of John and Yoko's "One to One
Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
on my website
Just click below to read:
http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
Marc
Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
on my website
Just click below to read:
http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
Marc
who?
Aug 20, 2012, 11:38:37 PM8/20/12
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when he was still alive. "Come Together" or was
there more, Marcus?
ermitano
Aug 21, 2012, 2:57:48 AM8/21/12
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too sad that he never made a real attempt to make a tour with plenty
more rehearsals with the band for it. maybe with more rehearsals the
elephant memory would have been a better band... and also john¨s voice
were not in good form, because of his nerves, i guess
curtis...@gmail.com
Aug 21, 2012, 10:08:38 AM8/21/12
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Don't forget "Lucy" and "Saw Her Standing There" with Elton John.
who?
Aug 21, 2012, 3:29:36 PM8/21/12
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This was the period that John assumed he could release
crap, and the public would buy it cause of his name,
and it worked. I bought it although I don't remember
much about it, and would rather forget it.
:-)
who?
Aug 21, 2012, 3:30:42 PM8/21/12
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On Aug 21, 9:08 am, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
> Don't forget "Lucy" and "Saw Her Standing There" with Elton John.
I've never heard any live version of John singing "Lucy".
> Don't forget "Lucy" and "Saw Her Standing There" with Elton John.
P-Dub
Aug 21, 2012, 3:47:44 PM8/21/12
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Madison Square Garden 1974 November 28 (Thanksgiving). John Lennon came
on stage as special guest at the Elton John concert and they did three
songs together. We all know the story ......
When John Lennon was recording his "Walls and Bridges" album in 1974, he
invited Elton to help him out on a couple of tracks - "Whatever Gets You
Thru the Night" and "Surprise, Surprise (Sweet Bird of Paradox)". This
was around the same time they also worked together on Elton's releases
"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "One Day at a Time".
Lennon said of Elton, "I was amazed at his ability. A fine musician,
great piano player. I was really pleasantly surprised at the way he
could get in on such a loose track and add to it and keep up with the
rhythm changes". As Elton and Lennon were enjoying themselves greatly
during the recording session, Elton asked Lennon if he would do
"Whatever Gets You Thru" with him on stage. Lennon, who no longer
performed live, jokingly promised to do so when the song became a #1 hit
single.
In November that year, it did hit #1, Lennon's only solo single to do
so. Elton called him up and reminded him of the promise, and Lennon
appeared on stage for three numbers at the final concert of Elton's 1974
American Tour, held at Madison Square Garden, New York City.
Lennon was terrified, and nearly backed out several times. Finally, as
Elton introduced him, he suddenly turned to Bernie Taupin back stage,
and said, "I'm not going on unless you go with me". Bernie walked him
out to the stage, gave him a light push, and said, "You're on your own".
When he came on stage, the audience of 18,000 rose to their feet and
applauded for several minutes before they were able to perform the three
songs, the final one being the old Beatles' hit "I Saw Her Standing
There", which was a song Paul McCartney (not John Lennon!) had sung. It
was the first time Lennon sang the song! Elton has said many times that
this whole event was one of the high points of his career.
P-Dub: This was a great moment in history.
who?
Aug 21, 2012, 4:12:57 PM8/21/12
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where Lennon performs "Lucy" live.
Message has been deleted
curtis...@gmail.com
Aug 21, 2012, 9:19:15 PM8/21/12
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It's probably on Youtube.
who?
Aug 22, 2012, 12:35:27 AM8/22/12
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Yeah, it was. I was expecting to see a live performance
though.
though.
Central Park Elmo
Aug 22, 2012, 12:39:07 AM8/22/12
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On Aug 21, 4:12 pm, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Thanks so much for the info, but I still don't see it written
> where Lennon performs "Lucy" live.
The 3 songs performed:
> Thanks so much for the info, but I still don't see it written
> where Lennon performs "Lucy" live.
1) Whatever Gets You Thru The Night
2) Lucy
3) I Saw Her Standing There
There, now you've seen it written. Kee-rist.
who?
Aug 22, 2012, 1:23:15 AM8/22/12
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Thanks, anyhow.
ermitano
Aug 22, 2012, 3:34:31 AM8/22/12
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with political movements and the lyrical message was the important
thing.. so he preferred to give it as soon as possibly, instead of
spending time rehearsing, recording, arranging, etc.
Central Park Elmo
Aug 22, 2012, 4:25:23 AM8/22/12
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On Aug 22, 3:34 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i think he wanted to make things very quickly, because he was involved
> with political movements and the lyrical message was the important
> thing.. so he preferred to give it as soon as possibly, instead of
> spending time rehearsing, recording, arranging, etc.
Sometimes. I've got about 20 takes of Whatever Gets You Thru The
> i think he wanted to make things very quickly, because he was involved
> with political movements and the lyrical message was the important
> thing.. so he preferred to give it as soon as possibly, instead of
> spending time rehearsing, recording, arranging, etc.
Night, and it's not complete.
Fattuchus
Aug 22, 2012, 5:40:54 AM8/22/12
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Fattuchus
Aug 22, 2012, 5:39:32 AM8/22/12
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P-Dub
Aug 22, 2012, 8:24:38 AM8/22/12
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On 8/21/2012 6:45 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2:47 pm, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/21/2012 3:30 PM, who? wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 9:08 am, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Don't forget "Lucy" and "Saw Her Standing There" with Elton John.
>>> I've never heard any live version of John singing "Lucy".
>> *P-Dub: The biggest douchebag racist piece of shite in Amerika.*
> On Aug 21, 2:47 pm, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/21/2012 3:30 PM, who? wrote:
>>> On Aug 21, 9:08 am, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Don't forget "Lucy" and "Saw Her Standing There" with Elton John.
>>> I've never heard any live version of John singing "Lucy".
>
> Doctor says, "Oprah, lie on your back and spread your legs. I want to
> see how my house will look painted black with pink shutters."
>
stfu you imbecil
Central Park Elmo
Aug 22, 2012, 8:27:05 AM8/22/12
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On Aug 22, 8:24 am, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> stfu you imbecil
That would be 'imbecile'. Oh, irony...
> stfu you imbecil
That would be 'imbecile'. Oh, irony...
Lisi Peteras
Aug 22, 2012, 8:30:06 AM8/22/12
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Lisi Peteras
Aug 22, 2012, 8:30:50 AM8/22/12
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Lisi Peteras
Aug 22, 2012, 8:38:14 AM8/22/12
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It would have saved you a lot of embarrassment.
--
P-Dub: Imbecile
Lisi Peteras
Aug 22, 2012, 8:39:25 AM8/22/12
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P-Dub
Aug 22, 2012, 8:43:07 AM8/22/12
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ermitano
Aug 22, 2012, 11:21:26 AM8/22/12
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Bridges.
curtis...@gmail.com
Aug 22, 2012, 11:34:58 AM8/22/12
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It was before the days of Youtube, cellphones, etc. At least there's audio...and some write-ups. There were rumors in the air as well that John would be a special guest.
By the way, compare this live performance by John with "One to One." What a difference.
By the way, compare this live performance by John with "One to One." What a difference.
curtis...@gmail.com
Aug 22, 2012, 11:41:25 AM8/22/12
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I think John naturally worked quickly in the studio. Some of his supporting players were better than others. There were actually a lot of rehearsals for the "One to One" shows. It's just that the band...and maybe John's whole situation...sucked.
Lisi Peteras
Aug 22, 2012, 6:33:41 PM8/22/12
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Fattuchus
Aug 23, 2012, 4:30:23 AM8/23/12
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Fattuchus
Aug 23, 2012, 4:29:23 AM8/23/12
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On Aug 20, 9:29 pm, Marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My 40th anniversary remembrance of John and Yoko's "One to One
> Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
> Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
> on my website
>
> Just click below to read:
>
> http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
>
> Marc
Thanks, Marc.
> My 40th anniversary remembrance of John and Yoko's "One to One
> Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
> Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
> on my website
>
> Just click below to read:
>
> http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
>
> Marc
Fattuchus
Aug 23, 2012, 4:31:02 AM8/23/12
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On Aug 22, 11:34 am, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
> It was before the days of Youtube, cellphones, etc. At least there's audio...and some write-ups. There were rumors in the air as well that John would be a special guest.
>
> By the way, compare this live performance by John with "One to One." What a difference.
Please elaborate.
> It was before the days of Youtube, cellphones, etc. At least there's audio...and some write-ups. There were rumors in the air as well that John would be a special guest.
>
> By the way, compare this live performance by John with "One to One." What a difference.
Lisi Peteras
Aug 23, 2012, 8:32:27 AM8/23/12
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Why don't you change your handles to Hiroshima and Nagasaki you fucking
racists?
ermitano
Aug 23, 2012, 10:35:01 AM8/23/12
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On 22 ago, 11:41, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think John naturally worked quickly in the studio. Some of his supporting players were better than others. There were actually a lot of rehearsals for the "One to One" shows. It's just that the band...and maybe John's whole situation...sucked.
how much time of rehearsals?
> I think John naturally worked quickly in the studio. Some of his supporting players were better than others. There were actually a lot of rehearsals for the "One to One" shows. It's just that the band...and maybe John's whole situation...sucked.
abe slaney
Aug 23, 2012, 9:09:18 PM8/23/12
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Lennon hooked up with them is beyond me. I can't watch the One to One"
concert film - it's an embarrassment. Look at what George was able to
put together in 2 days for CFB with actual musicians who flew in one
day before or that day even. NIght and day.
Fattuchus
Aug 24, 2012, 3:41:52 AM8/24/12
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You question how John hooked up with them. I am sure the details are
on the web somewhere or in a book. But IIRC John was drawn to them
because 1. they were in far left wing circles and because 2. they were
into drugs.
He hooked up with them during his Abbie Hoffman I Hate Nixon phase.
ermitano
Aug 24, 2012, 7:05:01 AM8/24/12
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bad as i've always thought, but there's no way.
beside the band, i think lennon's voice in that concert is awful, too
tight, too nervous. 'Mother' is his best performance in that show, the
rest of it is under his vocal level, i.m.o.
topazgalaxy
Aug 24, 2012, 9:12:22 AM8/24/12
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Fattuchus
Aug 24, 2012, 9:39:02 AM8/24/12
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I was able to see and hear the show better watching the video. I
LOVED John's performance of Cold Turkey and thought the band was
pretty good too, except for the end where they got lost.
Phil A. Scheo
Aug 24, 2012, 1:43:10 PM8/24/12
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On Aug 20, 9:29 pm, Marcus <marcus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My 40th anniversary remembrance of John and Yoko's "One to One
> Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
> Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
> on my website
>
> Just click below to read:
>
> http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
>
> Marc
I case you guys missed the glaring errors in this essay....
> My 40th anniversary remembrance of John and Yoko's "One to One
> Concert" at Madison Square Garden will appear in this month's
> Beatlefan Magazine. With permission from the editor, I have posted it
> on my website
>
> Just click below to read:
>
> http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
>
> Marc
"Superstition" was not a Number one song in the summer of 1972. The
record was not even released until late October on the album and
November on the single. It was the number one song in the country in
late January, 1973.
And this...
> Institutional Patients Act of 1980.
Is actually the "Institutionalized Persons Act of 1980"
curtis...@gmail.com
Aug 24, 2012, 2:20:32 PM8/24/12
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John was enamored with Jerry Rubin for a time. If I'm not mistaken, Rubin introduced John and Yoko to the Elephant's Memory guys.
Nil
Aug 24, 2012, 3:42:55 PM8/24/12
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On 24 Aug 2012, "Phil A. Scheo" <Sav...@aol.com> wrote in
rec.music.beatles:
> I case you guys missed the glaring errors in this essay....
In case you missed it, nobody gives a damn, you obsessed little psycho
creep.
rec.music.beatles:
> I case you guys missed the glaring errors in this essay....
creep.
curtis...@gmail.com
Aug 24, 2012, 5:46:03 PM8/24/12
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Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
Phil A. Scheo
Aug 24, 2012, 6:10:07 PM8/24/12
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On Aug 24, 3:42 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 24 Aug 2012, "Phil A. Scheo" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in
> On 24 Aug 2012, "Phil A. Scheo" <Savo...@aol.com> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > I case you guys missed the glaring errors in this essay....
>
> In case you missed it, nobody gives a damn, you obsessed little psycho
> creep.
You mean you're not interested in accuracy?
>
> > I case you guys missed the glaring errors in this essay....
>
> In case you missed it, nobody gives a damn, you obsessed little psycho
> creep.
Fattuchus
Aug 25, 2012, 4:07:01 AM8/25/12
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On Aug 24, 5:46 pm, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
> Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
>
> As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
I don't know about the One to One Concert, but I've read a few Lennon
> Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
>
> As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
bios which state that John would have terrible stage fright and often
comforted himself by taking drugs.
who?
Aug 25, 2012, 4:43:03 AM8/25/12
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various responses about just regular bar bands, and what
drugs we took to deal with the subject of stage fright, if
anyone is interested? Not all drugs work for the same
people and unlike yesteryear, it's easier to get a
prescription instead of taking illegal drugs, cause doctors
are more aware of how to treat stage fright and other
disorders, than they were....say more than 25 years ago.
ermitano
Aug 25, 2012, 9:07:46 AM8/25/12
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On 24 ago, 17:46, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
> Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
>
> As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
i think 2 months are enough to make a good performance.
> Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
>
> As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
maybe they needed a good director or arranger..
i don't know why they had 2 drums sets and 2 basses.. ! or playing
Come Together in Em? why? to make it easier to play it?
ermitano
Aug 25, 2012, 10:52:13 AM8/25/12
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maybe for the same reason. but when he was with the beatles these
nerves never affected his voice.
some may say that in the 70s his voice was not the same, but i don't
think so, in my opinion it was just his nerves and maybe the need for
vocal lessons.
in double fantasy LP he still can sing with his most tender voice and
sing high harmonies.
something similar happened with george, compare his voice at the '74
tour with the concert in japan.
who?
Aug 25, 2012, 2:40:41 PM8/25/12
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On Aug 25, 9:52 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25 ago, 04:43, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 25, 3:07 am, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 24, 5:46 pm, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
>
> > > > As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
>
> > > I don't know about the One to One Concert, but I've read a few Lennon
> > > bios which state that John would have terrible stage fright and often
> > > comforted himself by taking drugs.
>
> > We could make a new thread and come up with hundreds of
> > various responses about just regular bar bands, and what
> > drugs we took to deal with the subject of stage fright, if
> > anyone is interested? Not all drugs work for the same
> > people and unlike yesteryear, it's easier to get a
> > prescription instead of taking illegal drugs, cause doctors
> > are more aware of how to treat stage fright and other
> > disorders, than they were....say more than 25 years ago.
>
> lennon looked always very ill on stage, very pale. he also chewed gum,
> maybe for the same reason. but when he was with the beatles these
> nerves never affected his voice.
He never looked ill to me, but he always made me laugh, like chewing
> On 25 ago, 04:43, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 25, 3:07 am, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 24, 5:46 pm, curtissdub...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Believe it or not, John, Yoko, and EM did about two months worth of rehearsals, a few weeks of them at the Fillmore East.
>
> > > > As for how focussed everyone was at these sessions I don't know. Yoko told people the resulting show would be "their" Concert for Bangla Desh; John was a nervous wreck, fearful of how Yoko would be received. Maybe that's why he had beer with him onstage. I think he and Yoko were also taking harder stuff.
>
> > > I don't know about the One to One Concert, but I've read a few Lennon
> > > bios which state that John would have terrible stage fright and often
> > > comforted himself by taking drugs.
>
> > We could make a new thread and come up with hundreds of
> > various responses about just regular bar bands, and what
> > drugs we took to deal with the subject of stage fright, if
> > anyone is interested? Not all drugs work for the same
> > people and unlike yesteryear, it's easier to get a
> > prescription instead of taking illegal drugs, cause doctors
> > are more aware of how to treat stage fright and other
> > disorders, than they were....say more than 25 years ago.
>
> lennon looked always very ill on stage, very pale. he also chewed gum,
> maybe for the same reason. but when he was with the beatles these
> nerves never affected his voice.
gum in the Hey Jude Video.
> some may say that in the 70s his voice was not the same, but i don't
> think so, in my opinion it was just his nerves and maybe the need for
> vocal lessons.
> in double fantasy LP he still can sing with his most tender voice and
> sing high harmonies.
> something similar happened with george, compare his voice at the '74
> tour with the concert in japan.
concert in Japan, he voice got worse as he aged. Had John
lived, his voice would have gotten worse as he aged.
Nil
Aug 25, 2012, 3:22:38 PM8/25/12
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On 25 Aug 2012, "who?" <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
rec.music.beatles:
I don't think George ever had a very strong voice, but it got better
toward the end of the Beatle days and through the early part of his
solo career. After that, his voice sounded kind of thin and trembl-y to
me. Maybe he permanently damaged it somewhat in 74. Although, it
sounded a bit better on "Cloud Nine".
(Lately I've been paying close attention to the Beatle harmony parts,
and I've been very surprised and impressed with many of George's vocal
harmonies. He could sing some fairly low and difficult lines that you
may not notice because they're supportive, rather than the lead.)
John's voice never sounded as good to me as it did in the early Beatle
days, up to maybe Help or so. The touring years. After that, he seemed
to progressively lose much of his range and power. His singing on his
later solo albums always sounded pinched and breathless, not much body.
I think Paul turned out to be the best, most natural singer. He sounded
so strong for so many years and kept his range and versatility. Maybe
it's because he consistently used his voice and never let it get too
far out of shape, though I think his instrument is naturally robust.
It's the "use it or lose it" effect.
rec.music.beatles:
toward the end of the Beatle days and through the early part of his
solo career. After that, his voice sounded kind of thin and trembl-y to
me. Maybe he permanently damaged it somewhat in 74. Although, it
sounded a bit better on "Cloud Nine".
(Lately I've been paying close attention to the Beatle harmony parts,
and I've been very surprised and impressed with many of George's vocal
harmonies. He could sing some fairly low and difficult lines that you
may not notice because they're supportive, rather than the lead.)
John's voice never sounded as good to me as it did in the early Beatle
days, up to maybe Help or so. The touring years. After that, he seemed
to progressively lose much of his range and power. His singing on his
later solo albums always sounded pinched and breathless, not much body.
I think Paul turned out to be the best, most natural singer. He sounded
so strong for so many years and kept his range and versatility. Maybe
it's because he consistently used his voice and never let it get too
far out of shape, though I think his instrument is naturally robust.
It's the "use it or lose it" effect.
Fattuchus
Aug 26, 2012, 4:25:59 AM8/26/12
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On Aug 25, 3:22 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2012, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
heavy smoking and drug use effected his voice.
> On 25 Aug 2012, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > On Aug 25, 9:52 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> something similar happened with george, compare his voice at the
> >> '74 tour with the concert in japan.
>
> > He was sick in the "74 tour and should have cancelled it. In the
> > concert in Japan, he voice got worse as he aged. Had John
> > lived, his voice would have gotten worse as he aged.
>
> I don't think George ever had a very strong voice, but it got better
> toward the end of the Beatle days and through the early part of his
> solo career. After that, his voice sounded kind of thin and trembl-y to
> me. Maybe he permanently damaged it somewhat in 74. Although, it
> sounded a bit better on "Cloud Nine".
>
> (Lately I've been paying close attention to the Beatle harmony parts,
> and I've been very surprised and impressed with many of George's vocal
> harmonies. He could sing some fairly low and difficult lines that you
> may not notice because they're supportive, rather than the lead.)
>
> John's voice never sounded as good to me as it did in the early Beatle
> days, up to maybe Help or so. The touring years. After that, he seemed
> to progressively lose much of his range and power. His singing on his
> later solo albums always sounded pinched and breathless, not much body.
>
>
I am no expert on this subject, but I've sometimes wondered if John's
>
> > On Aug 25, 9:52 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> something similar happened with george, compare his voice at the
> >> '74 tour with the concert in japan.
>
> > He was sick in the "74 tour and should have cancelled it. In the
> > concert in Japan, he voice got worse as he aged. Had John
> > lived, his voice would have gotten worse as he aged.
>
> I don't think George ever had a very strong voice, but it got better
> toward the end of the Beatle days and through the early part of his
> solo career. After that, his voice sounded kind of thin and trembl-y to
> me. Maybe he permanently damaged it somewhat in 74. Although, it
> sounded a bit better on "Cloud Nine".
>
> (Lately I've been paying close attention to the Beatle harmony parts,
> and I've been very surprised and impressed with many of George's vocal
> harmonies. He could sing some fairly low and difficult lines that you
> may not notice because they're supportive, rather than the lead.)
>
> John's voice never sounded as good to me as it did in the early Beatle
> days, up to maybe Help or so. The touring years. After that, he seemed
> to progressively lose much of his range and power. His singing on his
> later solo albums always sounded pinched and breathless, not much body.
>
>
heavy smoking and drug use effected his voice.
who?
Aug 26, 2012, 6:39:07 AM8/26/12
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On Aug 25, 2:22 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2012, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
solo years. He's no Lennon/McCartney but he has his own unique
style of singing. He did record some songs though that doesn't
fit his voice. His "Extra Texture" album didn't go over very well
with his fans. But I love it along with Leon Russell's playing. It
took a long time for me to rate it so high.
> (Lately I've been paying close attention to the Beatle harmony parts,
> and I've been very surprised and impressed with many of George's vocal
> harmonies. He could sing some fairly low and difficult lines that you
> may not notice because they're supportive, rather than the lead.)
Fans may dismiss George's work as a Beatle, but he fit like a glove.
> John's voice never sounded as good to me as it did in the early Beatle
> days, up to maybe Help or so. The touring years. After that, he seemed
> to progressively lose much of his range and power. His singing on his
> later solo albums always sounded pinched and breathless, not much body.
I don't notice his range being effected, but you're right about his
power.
> I think Paul turned out to be the best, most natural singer. He sounded
> so strong for so many years and kept his range and versatility. Maybe
> it's because he consistently used his voice and never let it get too
> far out of shape, though I think his instrument is naturally robust.
> It's the "use it or lose it" effect.
After his "89 album "Flowers in the dirt" at age 47, his voice really
went downhill, and he barely pulled of songs such as "Figure of
Eight".....though I enjoy it. Maybe in the future, aging vocals
could be fixed?
> On 25 Aug 2012, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > On Aug 25, 9:52 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> something similar happened with george, compare his voice at the
> >> '74 tour with the concert in japan.
>
> > He was sick in the "74 tour and should have cancelled it. In the
> > concert in Japan, he voice got worse as he aged. Had John
> > lived, his voice would have gotten worse as he aged.
>
> I don't think George ever had a very strong voice, but it got better
> toward the end of the Beatle days and through the early part of his
> solo career. After that, his voice sounded kind of thin and trembl-y to
> me. Maybe he permanently damaged it somewhat in 74. Although, it
> sounded a bit better on "Cloud Nine".
I don't know why but I really love George's singing especially in his
>
> > On Aug 25, 9:52 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> something similar happened with george, compare his voice at the
> >> '74 tour with the concert in japan.
>
> > He was sick in the "74 tour and should have cancelled it. In the
> > concert in Japan, he voice got worse as he aged. Had John
> > lived, his voice would have gotten worse as he aged.
>
> I don't think George ever had a very strong voice, but it got better
> toward the end of the Beatle days and through the early part of his
> solo career. After that, his voice sounded kind of thin and trembl-y to
> me. Maybe he permanently damaged it somewhat in 74. Although, it
> sounded a bit better on "Cloud Nine".
solo years. He's no Lennon/McCartney but he has his own unique
style of singing. He did record some songs though that doesn't
fit his voice. His "Extra Texture" album didn't go over very well
with his fans. But I love it along with Leon Russell's playing. It
took a long time for me to rate it so high.
> (Lately I've been paying close attention to the Beatle harmony parts,
> and I've been very surprised and impressed with many of George's vocal
> harmonies. He could sing some fairly low and difficult lines that you
> may not notice because they're supportive, rather than the lead.)
> John's voice never sounded as good to me as it did in the early Beatle
> days, up to maybe Help or so. The touring years. After that, he seemed
> to progressively lose much of his range and power. His singing on his
> later solo albums always sounded pinched and breathless, not much body.
power.
> I think Paul turned out to be the best, most natural singer. He sounded
> so strong for so many years and kept his range and versatility. Maybe
> it's because he consistently used his voice and never let it get too
> far out of shape, though I think his instrument is naturally robust.
> It's the "use it or lose it" effect.
went downhill, and he barely pulled of songs such as "Figure of
Eight".....though I enjoy it. Maybe in the future, aging vocals
could be fixed?
who?
Aug 26, 2012, 6:42:59 AM8/26/12
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we'll always hear him in his youth. Check out "Double Fantasy"
stripped down cause his voice sounds even better.
ermitano
Aug 26, 2012, 6:58:41 AM8/26/12
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changed but in a normal way, imo. Of course he had his peak at the age
of 24 - 26, but after that he did a lot of great vocals too, like Yer
Blues, Mother, Jealous Guy, Mind Games, Stand By Me, I'm Losing You.
You're right about Paul. He remained singing live, touring and
recording albums. I guess he took some vocal lessons to keep a healthy
voice for so long without cancelling shows or something. But anyway,
he never sang Oh Darling live and never sang Maybe I'm Amazed as good
as in the LP, which i think they're the best vocals by Paul.
Marcus
Aug 27, 2012, 9:31:58 AM8/27/12
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Apparently, I made two errors. One on the wording of the legislative
act protecting institutionalized patients, a tangential observation
that didn't even need to be mentioned. The other mistake was
indicating that Stevie Wonder's "Superstition" was Number One that
summer, when it was number one several months later. In my rough
draft, I didn't even mention any songs that Wonder did. Should have
left it that way.
99% of the article was about the rest of the concert, based on my
memory of it.
Marc
http://marccatone.webs.com/onetooneconcert.htm
who?
Aug 27, 2012, 9:55:31 AM8/27/12
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disappointment
for me. He's covered most of his other Beatles songs that sound 2nd
rated with Wings. At 70, he's waited way too long, and he's too old.
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Richh.
Aug 27, 2012, 11:05:08 AM8/27/12
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--
Die tonight.
And I don't wanna die tonight.
ermitano
Aug 27, 2012, 11:47:30 AM8/27/12
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there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song.
who?
Aug 27, 2012, 12:41:07 PM8/27/12
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his voice until he knew it was the right take. He said he could
have nailed Oh Darling in one take a few years earlier.
i think it's a song
> that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song.
ermitano
Aug 27, 2012, 2:14:15 PM8/27/12
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notice how hard it was for him to sing Oh Darling. And it is
documented (Emerick's book i think) that he was going to the studio
just to rehearse the song. i think Oh Darling it's more difficult to
sing than any other song before or after that.
Richh.
Aug 27, 2012, 2:27:24 PM8/27/12
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who?
Aug 27, 2012, 2:53:33 PM8/27/12
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if you listen to them you can
> notice how hard it was for him to sing Oh Darling.
I think he's doing two things:
> notice how hard it was for him to sing Oh Darling.
1. Hears it in his head as a 50's style song, cause that's
really what it is, although the Beatles "Dressed it up."
I think he really wants to sing it like a 50's style song
for the fun of it, on those outtakes.
2. He knows in reality he can't sing it as a 50's style
song or it would sound like the Beatles were going
backwards in time. So, he's also waiting for the
right time to do the final take. I'm sure it was hard
for him to hit those notes just in falsetto, but it's
better than messing up this throat, belting it out
like he did on the final take.
And it is
> documented (Emerick's book i think) that he was going to the studio
> just to rehearse the song. i think Oh Darling it's more difficult to
> sing than any other song before or after that.
2 different keys. It sounds like a complete joke but most
professional singers can't sing it half as good as he could.
RichL
Aug 27, 2012, 6:31:58 PM8/27/12
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"who?" <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> 2. He knows in reality he can't sing it as a 50's style
> song or it would sound like the Beatles were going
> backwards in time. So, he's also waiting for the
> right time to do the final take. I'm sure it was hard
> for him to hit those notes just in falsetto, but it's
> better than messing up this throat, belting it out
> like he did on the final take.
That may be, but I still think it would be nearly impossible for him to do
it in a live situation, since he has to sing other stuff before and after.
In the studio, he could do his final take and then quit.
news:34c9369b-3b02-4b41...@o19g2000vbo.googlegroups.com...
> 2. He knows in reality he can't sing it as a 50's style
> song or it would sound like the Beatles were going
> backwards in time. So, he's also waiting for the
> right time to do the final take. I'm sure it was hard
> for him to hit those notes just in falsetto, but it's
> better than messing up this throat, belting it out
> like he did on the final take.
it in a live situation, since he has to sing other stuff before and after.
In the studio, he could do his final take and then quit.
ermitano
Aug 27, 2012, 6:46:47 PM8/27/12
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sound as if he was singing the song on stage all the week. but .....
ok, i believe him, he was looking for a particular sound as the
beatles did most of the time, but i don't think paul would ever
confess how hard it was for him. and of course, if he was rehearsing
the song for a week only to sound as he was singing it live.. so how
he never did it live!?
>
> 2. He knows in reality he can't sing it as a 50's style
> song or it would sound like the Beatles were going
> backwards in time. So, he's also waiting for the
> right time to do the final take. I'm sure it was hard
> for him to hit those notes just in falsetto, but it's
> better than messing up this throat, belting it out
> like he did on the final take.
>
> And it is
>
> > documented (Emerick's book i think) that he was going to the studio
> > just to rehearse the song. i think Oh Darling it's more difficult to
> > sing than any other song before or after that.
>
> It must be, and have you ever tried singing it? I did it twice in
> 2 different keys. It sounds like a complete joke but most
> professional singers can't sing it half as good as he could.
falseto. i'm more similar to john's register. i can hit a high G and
probably a quick G# or A with a lot of alcoh.. i mean with a lot of
effort. i haven't tried Oh Darling in other key, it sounds so perfect
in that key and in paul's voice......... maybe paul thinks the same.
RichL
Aug 27, 2012, 7:04:13 PM8/27/12
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"ermitano" <maikel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I think he could get away with dropping it from A to G, but that's about it.
And even then, I think it would be really difficult for him to do it live,
especially now.
news:f77102f8-5413-47f5...@s15g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
And even then, I think it would be really difficult for him to do it live,
especially now.
Richh.
Aug 27, 2012, 8:45:45 PM8/27/12
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throat, and to be willing to call a falsetto with strength and feeling
not a falsetto anymore. Then by the time he can sing it with falsetto
that way he should be able to do it in full. I would advise against
letting anyone hear him during the falsetto takes.
ermitano
Aug 27, 2012, 11:32:29 PM8/27/12
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On 27 ago, 19:04, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "ermitano" <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
yes.
what i find difficult it's the return to the first part, after all
those high C and B sung repeatedly..
"Well, you know I nearly broke down
and cry.. aaa y
Oh, darling..."
and Oh Jesus! there's no rest
> "ermitano" <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
what i find difficult it's the return to the first part, after all
those high C and B sung repeatedly..
"Well, you know I nearly broke down
and cry.. aaa y
Oh, darling..."
and Oh Jesus! there's no rest
Fattuchus
Aug 28, 2012, 3:46:20 AM8/28/12
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John's solo albums were over produced. Some of my favorite
performances are those on Acoustic or Lennon Anthology where the
arrangements are simple.
who?
Aug 28, 2012, 9:01:01 AM8/28/12
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I'm losing you from Double Fantasy. Before that, I hated that
song. The stripped down version of Woman is a horror.
Some of my favorite
> performances are those on Acoustic or Lennon Anthology where the
> arrangements are simple.
who?
Aug 28, 2012, 9:02:15 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 27, 5:32 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
You're right, Rich. I hadn't thought of that and should have.
> "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
who?
Aug 28, 2012, 9:03:34 AM8/28/12
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Skokiaan
Aug 28, 2012, 9:48:02 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
> there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
> falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
> that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
>
> when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
> there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
> falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
> that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
performance. When he appeared on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon he
performed "Here Today" using his Epiphone Texan acoustic. He keeps
this guitar tuned down a full step and uses it only for "Yesterday."
I'm guessing that Paul had planned to perform "Yesterday" on the show
so he brought the Texan, but since Fallon had him do "Scrambled
Eggs" ("Yesterday" with "original lyrics") he must have decided to
changed to "Here Today," but left the guitar in its regular altered
tuning.
who?
Aug 28, 2012, 9:56:45 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
> > there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
> > falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
> > that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> > down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
>
> Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
> performance.
How could you possibly know that unless you went to every
> On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
> > there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
> > falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
> > that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> > down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
>
> Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
> performance.
concert where he's performed?
Skokiaan
Aug 28, 2012, 12:54:35 PM8/28/12
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are few public apprearances of his that aren't available somewhere.
Some artists lower keys to make certain songs easier to sing. Paul
does not. He plays 'em the way he wrote 'em. If he has trouble
singing a song he usually drops it from the setlist, as he did for
example with "Maybe I'm Amazed" in 1990, dropping it in favor of the
easier "Let 'Em In" mid-tour.
ermitano
Aug 28, 2012, 1:58:14 PM8/28/12
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full setp down just like Yesterday, if i'm not wrong) and also he
plays Obladi Oblada in A, and the reason why has been discussed here
in this ng.
i remembered that he has lowed down I've Just Seen A Face and And I
Love Her (?)
Nil
Aug 28, 2012, 2:48:51 PM8/28/12
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On 28 Aug 2012, ermitano <maikel...@gmail.com> wrote in
rec.music.beatles:
> he has done the same thing with Blackbird (plays the same guitar a
> full setp down just like Yesterday, if i'm not wrong) and also he
> plays Obladi Oblada in A, and the reason why has been discussed
> here in this ng.
> i remembered that he has lowed down I've Just Seen A Face and And
> I Love Her (?)
The original Beatles recording of "I've Just Seen a Face" is between
the cracks, somewhere in between A and Ab, but a little closer to A.
The Wings Over America version is in G. I have a feeling the Beatles
record is sped up, as Paul's voice sounds just the slightest bit
Munchkin-like. Maybe it was recording in Ab with a capo or tuned-up
guitars, then sped up a little from there.
"Blackbird" is in G on the White Album. On WOA it's in F - I assume
that's because was right before Yesterday, both being played on a
guitar tuned down a whole step. At the Golden Jubilee concert at
Buckingham Palace in 2002, Paul played it in the original key of G.
All the youtube clips of "And I Love Here" I found were in the original
key of E. Here's a very nice one from '91, where they slowed it down
and made it even more romantical:
http://youtu.be/awexsAcncAI
rec.music.beatles:
> he has done the same thing with Blackbird (plays the same guitar a
> full setp down just like Yesterday, if i'm not wrong) and also he
> plays Obladi Oblada in A, and the reason why has been discussed
> here in this ng.
> i remembered that he has lowed down I've Just Seen A Face and And
> I Love Her (?)
the cracks, somewhere in between A and Ab, but a little closer to A.
The Wings Over America version is in G. I have a feeling the Beatles
record is sped up, as Paul's voice sounds just the slightest bit
Munchkin-like. Maybe it was recording in Ab with a capo or tuned-up
guitars, then sped up a little from there.
"Blackbird" is in G on the White Album. On WOA it's in F - I assume
that's because was right before Yesterday, both being played on a
guitar tuned down a whole step. At the Golden Jubilee concert at
Buckingham Palace in 2002, Paul played it in the original key of G.
All the youtube clips of "And I Love Here" I found were in the original
key of E. Here's a very nice one from '91, where they slowed it down
and made it even more romantical:
http://youtu.be/awexsAcncAI
Nil
Aug 28, 2012, 2:49:34 PM8/28/12
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On 28 Aug 2012, Skokiaan <skoki...@gmail.com> wrote in
rec.music.beatles:
> Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
> performance. When he appeared on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon he
> performed "Here Today" using his Epiphone Texan acoustic. He
> keeps this guitar tuned down a full step and uses it only for
> "Yesterday." I'm guessing that Paul had planned to perform
> "Yesterday" on the show so he brought the Texan, but since Fallon
> had him do "Scrambled Eggs" ("Yesterday" with "original lyrics")
> he must have decided to changed to "Here Today," but left the
> guitar in its regular altered tuning.
Interesting! That's a cool little tidbit.
rec.music.beatles:
> Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
> performance. When he appeared on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon he
> performed "Here Today" using his Epiphone Texan acoustic. He
> keeps this guitar tuned down a full step and uses it only for
> "Yesterday." I'm guessing that Paul had planned to perform
> "Yesterday" on the show so he brought the Texan, but since Fallon
> had him do "Scrambled Eggs" ("Yesterday" with "original lyrics")
> he must have decided to changed to "Here Today," but left the
> guitar in its regular altered tuning.
who?
Aug 28, 2012, 3:48:20 PM8/28/12
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On Aug 28, 11:54 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 28, 9:56 am, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
> > > > there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
> > > > falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
> > > > that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> > > > down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
>
> > > Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
> > > performance.
>
> > How could you possibly know that unless you went to every
> > concert where he's performed?
>
> He's one of the most heavily documented people in the world. There
> are few public apprearances of his that aren't available somewhere.
Well, it could be on one of those appearances that aren't
> On Aug 28, 9:56 am, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
> > > > there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
> > > > falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
> > > > that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
> > > > down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
>
> > > Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
> > > performance.
>
> > How could you possibly know that unless you went to every
> > concert where he's performed?
>
> He's one of the most heavily documented people in the world. There
> are few public apprearances of his that aren't available somewhere.
available somewhere, or you could be right. Anyhow, most of
his Wings footage that is available (70's) wouldn't have the great of
sound quality would it? I've heard maybe 2 different concerts
of his singing Beware My Love, and the quality is pretty bad.
I would love to hear more if it's better.
> Some artists lower keys to make certain songs easier to sing. Paul
> does not. He plays 'em the way he wrote 'em. If he has trouble
> singing a song he usually drops it from the setlist, as he did for
> example with "Maybe I'm Amazed" in 1990, dropping it in favor of the
> easier "Let 'Em In" mid-tour.
Skokiaan
Aug 28, 2012, 3:59:40 PM8/28/12
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On Aug 28, 2:48 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
> "Blackbird" is in G on the White Album. On WOA it's in F - I assume
> that's because was right before Yesterday, both being played on a
> guitar tuned down a whole step.
Whoops. Forgot about that one. He did indeed use the same guitar on
>
> "Blackbird" is in G on the White Album. On WOA it's in F - I assume
> that's because was right before Yesterday, both being played on a
> guitar tuned down a whole step.
both "Blackbird" and "Yesterday" in 1976. Certainly at that point in
his life when his voice was in its prime he would have no need to
lower the key to make the song easier. (Some of my favorite singing
from Paul is on WOA).
He's always done "Blackbird" in G whenever I've seen him and doesn't
switch guitars for it, unlike "Yesterday" which requires a lower
tuning to play it in the original key.
Richh.
Aug 28, 2012, 5:28:05 PM8/28/12
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Well I will go down on my knees and pray the best I can.
Richh.
Aug 28, 2012, 5:29:03 PM8/28/12
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Richh.
Aug 28, 2012, 5:29:29 PM8/28/12
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Richh.
Aug 28, 2012, 5:30:43 PM8/28/12
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Richh.
Aug 28, 2012, 5:32:01 PM8/28/12
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Andrew Mandlebaum
Aug 28, 2012, 5:33:09 PM8/28/12
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better choice to sing it. He had by far the best range in the group.
McCartney shrieks too much.
RichL
Aug 28, 2012, 5:40:34 PM8/28/12
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"Andrew Mandlebaum" <andyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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John's range extended LOWER than McCartney's, but Paul's high end far
exceeded John's.
The high "oooo" in the second bridge of "Oh Darling" (following "when you
told me") is an A note that's almost two octaves above middle C. John
couldn't hit that note in his dreams.
news:k1jdej$5e0$1...@dont-email.me...
exceeded John's.
The high "oooo" in the second bridge of "Oh Darling" (following "when you
told me") is an A note that's almost two octaves above middle C. John
couldn't hit that note in his dreams.
Nil
Aug 28, 2012, 7:04:33 PM8/28/12
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On 28 Aug 2012, Andrew Mandlebaum <andyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in
rec.music.beatles:
> McCartney did a terrible job on this song.
Wrong, IMO.
> Lennon would have been
> a much better choice to sing it.
Very wrong, IMO.
> He had by far the best range in
> the group. McCartney shrieks too much.
Oh! So very VERY VERY wrong. No opinion about it: Lennon was never able
to sing as high as McCartney. That's why John gave all the high parts
to Paul.
rec.music.beatles:
> McCartney did a terrible job on this song.
> Lennon would have been
> a much better choice to sing it.
> He had by far the best range in
> the group. McCartney shrieks too much.
to sing as high as McCartney. That's why John gave all the high parts
to Paul.
ermitano
Aug 28, 2012, 7:21:44 PM8/28/12
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On 28 ago, 17:40, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Andrew Mandlebaum" <andymandy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
mmh i think ir's harder for john the "when you told me" part than the
"ooo", which are in falseto
> "Andrew Mandlebaum" <andymandy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
"ooo", which are in falseto
ermitano
Aug 28, 2012, 7:44:09 PM8/28/12
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On 28 ago, 14:48, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2012, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote in
right, Nil!.. i was thinking in that version of And I Love Her, i
remembered as been lowed down, but it was just slowed down. (i like
the tempo.. but don't like the vocal harmony)
we are now very off topic, talking about paul's songs which have been
lowed down.
here's another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6JFe7ch96g
> On 28 Aug 2012, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote in
remembered as been lowed down, but it was just slowed down. (i like
the tempo.. but don't like the vocal harmony)
we are now very off topic, talking about paul's songs which have been
lowed down.
here's another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6JFe7ch96g
Richh.
Aug 28, 2012, 7:50:41 PM8/28/12
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who? wrote:
> On Aug 28, 11:54 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 9:56 am, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
>>>>> there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
>>>>> falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
>>>>> that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
>>>>> down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
>>
>>>> Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
>>>> performance.
>>
>>> How could you possibly know that unless you went to every
>>> concert where he's performed?
>>
>> He's one of the most heavily documented people in the world. There
>> are few public apprearances of his that aren't available somewhere.
>
> Well, it could be on one of those appearances that aren't
> available somewhere, or you could be right. Anyhow, most of
> his Wings footage that is available (70's) wouldn't have the great of
> sound quality would it? I've heard maybe 2 different concerts
> of his singing Beware My Love, and the quality is pretty bad.
> I would love to hear more if it's better.
Do you have any reason to believe this is the case?
> On Aug 28, 11:54 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 28, 9:56 am, "who?" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 8:48 am, Skokiaan <skokiaa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Aug 27, 11:47 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> when he recorded Oh Darling he was rehearsing it for several days and
>>>>> there are outtakes where he can't get the highest notes and sings in
>>>>> falseto voice, instead of the final full voice. i think it's a song
>>>>> that he knew he couldn't sing it live, unless he tried a few keys
>>>>> down.. but i guess paul has never done this with any song
>>
>>>> Paul has only changed the key on one song, and only for a single
>>>> performance.
>>
>>> How could you possibly know that unless you went to every
>>> concert where he's performed?
>>
>> He's one of the most heavily documented people in the world. There
>> are few public apprearances of his that aren't available somewhere.
>
> Well, it could be on one of those appearances that aren't
> available somewhere, or you could be right. Anyhow, most of
> his Wings footage that is available (70's) wouldn't have the great of
> sound quality would it? I've heard maybe 2 different concerts
> of his singing Beware My Love, and the quality is pretty bad.
> I would love to hear more if it's better.
>> Some artists lower keys to make certain songs easier to sing. Paul
>> does not. He plays 'em the way he wrote 'em. If he has trouble
>> singing a song he usually drops it from the setlist, as he did for
>> example with "Maybe I'm Amazed" in 1990, dropping it in favor of the
>> easier "Let 'Em In" mid-tour.
>
> He's probably sang Maybe I'm Amazed enough anyway.
>
RichL
Aug 28, 2012, 9:25:06 PM8/28/12
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"ermitano" <maikel...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:36472c07-fc2a-41b8...@b10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Well, both are difficult. I can't do either. The highest non-falsetto note
is C, the "when you" part (an octave above middle C).
I think a few years ago we had a discussion here about the highest notes
that John ever hit (both falsetto and normal voice). I don't remember the
details, but I'm betting that both are well below the notes in "Oh Darling".
news:36472c07-fc2a-41b8...@b10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
is C, the "when you" part (an octave above middle C).
I think a few years ago we had a discussion here about the highest notes
that John ever hit (both falsetto and normal voice). I don't remember the
details, but I'm betting that both are well below the notes in "Oh Darling".
Richh.
Aug 29, 2012, 5:24:19 AM8/29/12
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to please a crowd the majority of my life.
--
Said One Two 3 4 5
What else can we do?
Skokiaan
Aug 29, 2012, 9:32:57 AM8/29/12
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At the time he hadn't performed it in well over a decade.
Skokiaan
Aug 29, 2012, 9:36:48 AM8/29/12
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On Aug 28, 7:04 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2012, Andrew Mandlebaum <andymandy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in
John sang the (very) high part of "I Want to Hold Your Hand." That
said, Paul's vocal was perfect for "Oh Darling." John could not have
done it nearly as well.
> On 28 Aug 2012, Andrew Mandlebaum <andymandy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in
said, Paul's vocal was perfect for "Oh Darling." John could not have
done it nearly as well.
Skokiaan
Aug 29, 2012, 9:41:23 AM8/29/12
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who?
Aug 29, 2012, 10:36:48 AM8/29/12
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On Aug 28, 4:40 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Andrew Mandlebaum" <andymandy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
What nobody ever says with this topic is that John could have
sang it in a lower key.
> "Andrew Mandlebaum" <andymandy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
sang it in a lower key.
who?
Aug 29, 2012, 10:40:12 AM8/29/12
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harmony was sung?
who?
Aug 29, 2012, 10:46:27 AM8/29/12
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I couldn't listen to it. He shouldn't have made the live version,
in my opinion, but it turned into a bigger hit for him.
It was the most completed and best song on the album.
(Studio version) The rest of the songs were half baked
ideas.
who?
Aug 29, 2012, 10:47:43 AM8/29/12
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ermitano
Aug 29, 2012, 7:54:12 PM8/29/12
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