Sgt Pepper's is the most overrated album of all time
Cool Hand Luke
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
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been eating too many eggs there Luke....
firefly
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gladicouldhalp
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If only all albums could be so "overrated."
Or at least 1% of them...
Sgt. Pepper is a masterpiece.
h e a
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Bill Kawalec
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> "of all time" still has a few more years to run.
You can't prove that...
:-)
Manfred Noland
abe
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I know that the blog was supposed to be funny, but I gotta say they
could have done a much better job criticising the album. Calling the
symbolism of the album cliched and heavy handed, then to proceed to
use the most cliched, shallow criticism is pretty weak trolling.
Now, I will say that Sgt. Pepper's is not my favorite Beatles album
(and I don't even think it's in my top 3) so I don't necessarily
disagree with the topic of the thread...OK, "most overrated of all
time" is quite a stretch. Sgt. Pepper's does seem to get quite a bit
of attention, which is understandable, since it pretty much redefined
what you could do with pop music. But if I could only take 3 Beatles
albums to a desert island with my, they'd probably be Revolver, Abbey
Road and ... not sure here, but probably the White album...or Sgt.
Peppers or Rubber Soul...why do I only get 3 again?
abe
mcnews
if i could only take 3 i'd sneak all the rest.
John B.
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Uhm, what are the red flowers spelling out MOE-RON?!?
John B.
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Again I feel that this album was meant to be heard from start to
finish. It's strength is not in each individual songs, as their other
albums are. It is a sonic extravaganza and much like a musical or
opera songs on the album tend to set a mood or "advance the plot" as
it were, and aren't as concerned with being individual masterpieces,
although of course some of them are. The overall effect of listening
straight through however is much stronger than listening individually.
When you do this, songs like "Good Morning" or "Lovely Rita" advance
things nicely, in spite of them not being stellar individual cuts.
As I said some months ago when this came up, I do believe "Pepper,"
like the group itself, is greater than the sum of it's parts.
TH
t...@aerovons.com
Best answer yet;)
TH
Lookingglass
<t...@aerovons.com> wrote
Again I feel that this album was meant to be heard from start to
finish. It's strength is not in each individual songs, as their other
albums are. It is a sonic extravaganza and much like a musical or
opera songs on the album tend to set a mood or "advance the plot" as
it were, and aren't as concerned with being individual masterpieces,
although of course some of them are. The overall effect of listening
straight through however is much stronger than listening individually.
When you do this, songs like "Good Morning" or "Lovely Rita" advance
things nicely, in spite of them not being stellar individual cuts.
As I said some months ago when this came up, I do believe "Pepper,"
like the group itself, is greater than the sum of it's parts.
TH
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I believe it was McCartney who stated that now that they were not touring,
they would send the album out on tour. That being the case, you wouldn't
walk out of the concert halfway through just after you paid good money to
see your favorite band...AND...you would hear the music from the first song
to the last...just the way they are performed at concert.
From first to last (in that order) A GREAT ALBUM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjPPmjUDPo
www.Shemakhan.com
Bip Bop
wrote:
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/04/sgt_peppers_is_the_most_ove...
I like this past comment by LookingGlass that I found concerning "Sgt.
Peppers":
As a "moment in time" it was supreme... everyone was focused on that
particular event... I think it still holds up as a concept... they
were NOT
the Beatles... they were SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND... all
the
songs originated from THAT band... I listen to it as though I were
attending
an old English music hall performance... and NOT that the songs were
supposed to connect to each other... from beginning to end it's a
performance by the SGT. PEPPER BAND... nothing more than that...
BUT... the
songs that are performed are FANTASTIC... and the recording techniques
were
revolutionary... for instance, many have pointed to BEING FOR THE
BENEFIT OF
MISTER KITE as a not so great Lennon song... but think of the way that
song
was written (words from a poster)... and the manner in which the
song's
ambiance was created (bits of tape thrown in the air)... I think it's
a
great example of how "chance" can often play into the creation of
ART... and
SHE'S LEAVING HOME is just plain beautiful... and tells a tale that
probably
many youngsters have experienced... and GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING...
another "slice of life" song inspired by a TV commercial for corn
flakes of
all things... WOW!... WHEN I'M 64... I love that song, just like I
love a
lot
of those old timey songs of the 20's and 30's... IT'S MUSIC... and it
makes
me smile!.. WITHIN YOU WITHOUT YOU is sublime... I fell in love with
Ravi
Shankar and world music because of George's use of Indian instruments
and
scales... even the laughter at the end of the song... DON'T TAKE IT
TOO
SERIOUSLY... and LUCY IN THE SKY WITH DIAMONDS... a wonderfully
structured
song... magical... like taking a vacation with Lewis Carroll... great
instrumentation... inspired by a child's drawing... and of course A
DAY IN
THE LIFE... I can't even begin to say anything about this song... it's
all
been said, and still it doesn't explain the impact this song had on
all of
us... clippings from the newspapers... and the fact that PENNY LANE
and
STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER were meant for this album says volumes about
the
state of THE BEATLES and George Martin and you and me who were waiting
for
this album... I remember when I first heard SFF... a friend of mine
didn't
like it (not rock and roll for him)... I didn't know what to think...
I just
know I wanted to hear it more and more... I think they should release
the
album with SFF/PL included (though I'm not sure where they should be
placed)...
...for some, it may be over-rated... for some, it may not be their
best...
but the influence it had on my life and others cannot be denied...
love it
or hate it... IT'S BRILLIANT!
rfor...@msn.com
Yeah, these days I feel the album is under-rated, people really dog on
it, I enjoy and admire every track. I can't understand for a second
people who say WYWY is boring or anything like that, to me it's the
opposite, musically fascinating, what a leap forward for George in
terms of complexity, and it's just gorgeous sonically. Another one I
don't get is when people pan "She's Leaving Home" as "sentimental,"
it's not at all really, it is very explicitly anti-establishment and
pro-counter-culture, it celebrates the girl's leaving home and heading
into the unknown for a life of freedom, and portrays her parents as
clueless and pathetic. Another one I just can't believe so many people
dog (not here on rmb so much) is Good Morning - again, what a mind-
bendingly complicated slab of rock'n'roll, it's musically ingenious
and unlike anything the Beatles had recorded before. And on and
on...!
richforman
freshfeces
WYWY is the heaviest song on the album. I can't remember a prior pop
song that dealt with the concept of death and what may follow. Either
way life goes on within you or without you. Anybody dissing this
great track should listen while peaking on LSD, then report back to us
here.
Lookingglass
<rfor...@msn.com> wrote
Yeah, these days I feel the album is under-rated, people really dog on
it, I enjoy and admire every track. I can't understand for a second
people who say WYWY is boring or anything like that, to me it's the
opposite, musically fascinating, what a leap forward for George in
terms of complexity, and it's just gorgeous sonically. Another one I
don't get is when people pan "She's Leaving Home" as "sentimental,"
it's not at all really, it is very explicitly anti-establishment and
pro-counter-culture, it celebrates the girl's leaving home and heading
into the unknown for a life of freedom, and portrays her parents as
clueless and pathetic. Another one I just can't believe so many people
dog (not here on rmb so much) is Good Morning - again, what a mind-
bendingly complicated slab of rock'n'roll, it's musically ingenious
and unlike anything the Beatles had recorded before. And on and
on...!
richforman
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It is quite amazing how much the music changed...with the Beatles and
everyone else too...after George discovered (for himself), and introduced
the rest of us to the sitar, Ravi Shankar, and Indian Classical music in
general. I know it changed my life from that simple introduction with
NORWEGIAN WOOD and the rest of the Indian flavored music George produced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjPPmjUDPo
zzbu...@netscape.net
Nobody knows anymore. Since digital remixing, dvd, satellites,
and internet were all pretty much invented to do any with the
Ed Sullivan editing of music.
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> abe
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Jeff
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I like one of the responses best: "Anything's over-rated if you rate
it high enough" Damn, wish I could have written that line.
Lookingglass
"Jeff" <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
I like one of the responses best: "Anything's over-rated if you rate
it high enough" Damn, wish I could have written that line.
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You're right Jeff...that's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjPPmjUDPo
Jeff
> "Jeff" <yourimageunre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
and anything is underrated if you rate it low enough. :-)
jughead
> Again I feel that this album was meant to be heard from start to
> finish. It's strength is not in each individual songs, as their other
> albums are. It is a sonic extravaganza and much like a musical or
> opera songs on the album tend to set a mood or "advance the plot" as
> it were, and aren't as concerned with being individual masterpieces,
> although of course some of them are. The overall effect of listening
> straight through however is much stronger than listening individually.
> When you do this, songs like "Good Morning" or "Lovely Rita" advance
> things nicely, in spite of them not being stellar individual cuts.
>
Sheeesh...
Sean Carroll
> But if I could only take 3 Beatles
> albums to a desert island with my, they'd probably be Revolver, Abbey
> Road and ... not sure here, but probably the White album...or Sgt.
> Peppers or Rubber Soul...why do I only get 3 again?
I hardly even have to think about this. Rubber Soul, Revolver, and Sgt
Pepper all the way.
If I could do 4, I'd probably add Abbey Road. Number 5 would then be the US
version of Magical Mystery Tour. The order of those two is subject to
flipping depending on my mood.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com
House: Find my cane and motorcycle. Figure out where I went last night.
Kutner: [taking out a notepad] Where's your cane and motorcycle?
House: You're gonna trust me? I lie about everything.
Jan Dean
> "Jeff" <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
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> I like one of the responses best: "Anything's over-rated if you rate
> it high enough" Damn, wish I could have written that line.
> ***************************************************
A situation offering "two girls for every boy" is NEVER over-rated.
Trust me.
Curmudgeon
<sean...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "abe" <from...@hotmail.com> wrote
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> > But if I could only take 3 Beatles
> > albums to a desert island with my, they'd probably be Revolver, Abbey
> > Road and ... not sure here, but probably the White album...or Sgt.
> > Peppers or Rubber Soul...why do I only get 3 again?
Them's the rules . . .
Rubber Soul, Revolver, and Abbey Road for me.
Cheers!
Mudge
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I've seen their ways too often for my liking.
New worlds to gain: My life is to survive . . .
. . . and be alive for you.
iarwain
like this are just opportunities for people who dislike the Beatles to
rally together and take their potshots at the greatest band of all
time.
Most everybody agrees that Pepper hangs on to its top status mainly
because of its place in history. How well you like any music is
purely subjective, so the place in history argument is a pretty good
reason for placing it number one, in my opinion.
Bernie Woodham
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AC
gladicouldhalp <advari...@freeadverix.org> wrote:
> "Cool Hand Luke" <cruis...@zietgeist.com> wrote in
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> If only all albums could be so "overrated."
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> Or at least 1% of them...
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> Sgt. Pepper is a masterpiece.
It's a relatively weak album with a few real standout tracks, but because of
its historical and cultural links, seems to inevitably get put ahead of the
two albums that really are the Beatles' best; Revolver and Abbey Road.
Revolver, in particular, is an extraordinary album, where the Beatles were
still a reasonably united force, where, for a brief moment, George was given
a bit more real-estate and showed he could deliver, and where both John and
Paul pretty much wrote some of their tightest music.
Sgt Pepper just doesn't measure up musically, although as far as studio
technology goes, it was a landmark in that it pushed the four-track
technology as far as it could go. But come on, She's Leaving Home, Within
You and Without You, Lovely Rita and Good Morning are really second-rate
tracks.
I'm not going to say it's the most overrated album in history. That's just
daft. It's a good album, it's just not the Beatles' best.
--
Aaron Clausen mightym...@gmail.com
AC
The White Album flows much better than Sgt. Pepper (which is ironic, because
at that point the band was crumbling). I don't think there's anything
particularly wonderful about it. Only three songs even bother with the
concept (such as there is a concept, John himself was clear that it was
simply a matter of the Beatles' saying so). There's a considerable amount
of studio wizardry going on, but you have to credit George Martin and his
engineers for a lot of that, in many ways it's as much their album as the
Beatles'. But I don't see any overarching theme, though lots of people have
spent decades trying to insist there's some magical formula involved in the
running order.
Songs like Lucy, When I'm 64 and A Day In The Life stand on their own. I
see nothing inherent in the rest of the material on the album which improves
them, unless you think just running one track into another is somehow an
improvement (I suppose this can be considered innovative). But that's not a
concept; otherwise Queen's A Night at the Opera must also be a concept
album.
Whatever idea Paul had of a concept album in 1966 never made it to fruition,
other than the vague idea of stringing songs together.
--
Aaron Clausen mightym...@gmail.com
AC
Bullshit. Love You To is a much better Indian-themed Harrison number, and
his real masterpiece in this genre is The Inner Light.
> Another one I
> don't get is when people pan "She's Leaving Home" as "sentimental,"
> it's not at all really, it is very explicitly anti-establishment and
> pro-counter-culture, it celebrates the girl's leaving home and heading
> into the unknown for a life of freedom, and portrays her parents as
> clueless and pathetic.
It's still a mushy McCartney number. He'd done the song before, and he's
done it countless times since.
> Another one I just can't believe so many people
> dog (not here on rmb so much) is Good Morning - again, what a mind-
> bendingly complicated slab of rock'n'roll, it's musically ingenious
> and unlike anything the Beatles had recorded before. And on and
> on...!
John did the whole thing much better with Happiness Is A Warm Gun.
--
Aaron Clausen mightym...@gmail.com
AC
Then I'd say Hard Days Night ought to be much higher in the pantheon.
As Roger Ebert said, a generation of young men went into the theater and
didn't cut their hair again until the 1970s.
Pepper's brilliance, and not so incidental as some seem to think, was how it
matched up to the counterculture of the period. The biggest and most
commercially successful band in the world became associated with Flower
Power, the Summer of Love, the happenings throughout North American and
Europe, and thus Pepper became much more than a record.
--
Aaron Clausen mightym...@gmail.com
t...@aerovons.com
Roger Ebert forgets that many stopped cutting their hair somewhere
around Monday, Feb 10, 1964.
Opinions on the merits of the individual songs on "Pepper" are as
varied as the people who express them, and ultimately mean as much as
any other "Top Ten" list on the planet....a lot to the personal
expressing them, to all others, less so....
TH