Peter Brown's "The Love You Make"
Angie
good. It's very unreliable and egotistic. His book puts him at the
center of everything Beatles, if you know what I mean. I was appalled
when he mentioned Brian Epstein and John Lennon's Spain vacation and
their supposed sexual affair. It was as if Brown were in the room,
trying to get into Lennon's mind. "It's wishful thinking on his part,"
Paul mentions in his Playboy interview about Brown's accusations. Both
Brian and John are dead and unable to defend themselves.
Brown also mentions the Pete Best sacking. He claims that Best was
fired because of jealousy. Paul was a frontman who loved the attention
and the girls, claims Brown, but Pete was better looking and the girls
would cry for him instead.
Did anybody else find this book as unreliable as I did? I wasted my
eleven bucks on the book.
Brian Damage Bolowski
> Did anybody else find this book as unreliable as I did?
Yes. Ten bucks says Fatty loved it.
>I wasted my eleven bucks on the book.
Libraries. They're good for you.
M C hammered
> good.
Damned rite its no good. Its a book innit? A Godfersakin book,
nuffin but lies, unsubstantiated rumers, half-truths and a good ole
dollop of unfoundered speculatiums.
> It's very unreliable and egotistic.
Of course is it.
>His book puts him at the
> center of everything Beatles, if you know what I mean.
I know zackly what you means. He puts himself their, at the "center"
as it were cuz that's where he wished he was! Well heck who
didn't...tho I came pretty close in meetin the Yoke. But at least I
dint write no Godfersakin book bouts it. No, I post bouts it on here,
all the time, and thats okay...
> I was appalled
> when he mentioned Brian Epstein and John Lennon's Spain vacation and
> their supposed sexual affair.
Nuffin wrong withit iffit happened...but how can anyone know what
"really" happened? Course I wish I was there...who doesn't? Watchin,
and mebbe even joinin in a little.
No, no, no, I dint mean that last part. It was a joke, gettit?
Sheesh, when will people learn a sence of humor fer Godsakes..
> It was as if Brown were in the room,
> trying to get into Lennon's mind.
Or his bum...
"It's wishful thinking on his part,"
> Paul mentions in his Playboy interview about Brown's accusations.
Thats zackly whatit was...wishful thinkin...all these "writers" wish
so badly fer John to be gay...It's cuz they wish he married them
instead of the Yoke...and loved them instead of the Yoke...and wrote
"Startin Over" for them instead of the Yoke..
The Yoke is prolly the most enviable person in alla histry...not that
histry matters...its books..all lies.
Both
> Brian and John are dead and unable to defend themselves.
Annit its cuzza all these "books".
> Brown also mentions the Pete Best sacking. He claims that Best was
> fired because of jealousy. Paul was a frontman who loved the attention
> and the girls, claims Brown,
Innit funny...Paul loves "girls" but John only loves Brians...hmm
wonder if theres a hidden agenda no it cant be.
>but Pete was better looking and the girls
> would cry for him instead.
Thats subjective.
> Did anybody else find this book as unreliable as I did? I wasted my
> eleven bucks on the book.
Trust me on this. Peter Brown burns in hell, just like Goldberg
Siemens Ming and allda rest...it's all lies, fokes, damned liies.
Don't read books.
Dont never read books.
Some Other Guy
The book was complete garbage. The only good part of the book was the 1968 photo on the cover. it
was all down hill after that.
Tony
fatt...@yahoo.com
I liked it. (I'm not saying I loved it. Brian Damage loses)
It's certainly as reliable as any other Beatle book written by an
insider. I thought it was enjoyable.
As far as John and Brian having "sex" yes that is speculation by
Brown.
HOWEVER . . . . now here is the real puzzle. Hunter Davies claims
John admitted something sexual did happen. (this is written in Hunter
Davies most recent Beatles bio IIRC)
Pete Shotton, one of John's closest friends, says that John also
admitted to him that he and Brian did a sex act. IIRC Pete says John
allowed Brian to wank him off. John's remark was something like,
"It's no big deal, right? I mean, what's a wank between friends."
BTW, Pete wrote in his book John Lennon In My Life, that when he and
John were teenagers, they would sometimes wank off together in the
bushes. IIRC, Pete also wrote about a funny incident as follows: one
time he made a bet with John when they were teens. Pete had a TV in
his home, and JOhn loved to watch TV. Pete bet John as follows: if
he could climax 10 times in a row, he could come over and watch TV.
John tried and tried and tried, but could only do it 9 times in a row,
so he lost the bet. (give new meaning to the number 9)
Also, Pete Shotton, Paul McCartney and John Lennon all reported that
as teens they would participate in masturbation circles. I guess they
would sit around and take turns calling out the names of some
attractive gal (like Briget Bardot). John would sometimes call out
"Winston Churchill" to spoil it. John reportedly wrote the
masturbation scene in that Broadway show (I can't recall the name
right now) . . . that scene was based loosely on John, Paul and Pete's
childhood experience.
The reporter and TV newsman Larry Kane wrote two interesting
books . . . Ticket to Ride and Lennon Revealed. (I recommend both).
In one of those books, he writes that Epstein made a pass at him.
(Brian was notorious for making passes at many males around him. Pete
Shotton IIRC claimed the same thing) Kane also claims (but I forget
where . . . maybe in one of those books) that he spoke with Brian
point blank about the alleged affair with John and Brian denied that
there ever was anything sexual between them.
So as to the truth . . . . who knows. But given John's history,
curiosity, and naggability, I think it is possible that the wanking
incident did happen, that John didn't like it, and that was the end of
it.
Angie
> masturbation scene in that Broadway show
What Broadway show? If so, I want see it. That would make an
interesting scene. :)
fatt...@yahoo.com
It was an old one . . . . IIRC at some point the actors/actresses
appear on stage naked. Let me try to recall the name . . . .
fatt...@yahoo.com
It was Oh! Calcutta. The section John wrote is sometimes called Four
in Hand. I believe there was a movie version too.
The scene Four in Hand is based loosely on the masturbation circle I
mentioned above. It was reported that JOhn wanted the actors to
actually masturbate but that idea was nixed . . . . I think I've seen
the scene on the web (who knows . . . maybe it is at youtube). In the
actual show, the actors don't really masturbate, but it is done
"symbolically" instead.
saki
@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
"Oh, Calcutta", link probably NSFW so be forewarned:
http://specialsections.absoluteelsewhere.net/LennonLoreLegacy/oh_calcutta.h
tml
----
sa...@ucla.edu
Angie
> It was an old one . . . . IIRC at some point the actors/actresses
> appear on stage naked. Let me try to recall the name . . . .
It could have been an off-off-broadway production because I don't
remember this, and I've seen many broadway shows from "Cats" to "Annie
Get Your Gun".
fatt...@yahoo.com
> Angie <angie_5...@excite.com> wrote in news:1181083132.136048.142640
> @p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> John reportedly wrote the
> >> masturbation scene in that Broadway show
>
> > What Broadway show? If so, I want see it. That would make an
> > interesting scene. :)
>
> "Oh, Calcutta", link probably NSFW so be forewarned:
>
> tml
>
> ----
> s...@ucla.edu
Thanks for the link. For some reason it doesn't work on my computer.
Perhaps there is a link at youtube somewhere.
bessie
wrote:
Fatty probably keeps a copy close at hand for "private" moments
bessie
You are certainly the expert on circle jerks, someone invokes the name
"Yoko" and off you and your "buddies" go.
fatt...@yahoo.com
It's a lot more fun than LSD.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Aren't we lucky we don't need LSD like you?
Brian Damage Bolowski
> Aren't we lucky we don't need LSD like you?
Fuuuuck....if anyone needs a trip, it's you.
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> They have the whole scene dialogue in there. It's funny.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for the link. This is what I was saying above.
I do recall seeing a film of the actual scene itself . . . not just
words describing it. I can't recall where I saw it, but it probably
was on the internet.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Perhaps it was off Broadway . . . .but Oh Calcutta was pretty
famous . . . or some might say notorious.
fatt...@yahoo.com
According to this link, Oh Calcutta was on Bway for 13 years.
fatt...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Jun 5, 7:54 pm, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Aren't we lucky we don't need LSD like you?
>
> Fuuuuck....if anyone needs a trip, it's you.
I suggest you try the first part of your sentence first; then see if
you still need LSD. Maybe you can get together with bessie.
TAR
>
> On Jun 5, 6:42?pm, palejewel...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 3:54 pm, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 5:52?pm, saki <s...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > > Angie <angie_5...@excite.com> wrote in news:1181083132.136048.142640
> > > > @p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > > >> John reportedly wrote the
> > > > >> masturbation scene in that Broadway show
> >
> > > > > What Broadway show? If so, I want see it. That would make an
> > > > > interesting scene. :)
> >
> > > > "Oh, Calcutta", link probably NSFW so be forewarned:
> >
> > > >http://specialsections.absoluteelsewhere.net/LennonLoreLegacy/oh_calc...
> > > > tml
> >
> > > > ----
> > > > s...@ucla.edu
> >
> > > Thanks for the link. For some reason it doesn't work on my computer.
> > > Perhaps there is a link at youtube somewhere.
> >
> > Probably because the "tml" is truncated. try this:http://tinyurl.com/2ma79x
> >
> > They have the whole scene dialogue in there. It's funny.
>
>
> I do recall seeing a film of the actual scene itself . . . not just
> words describing it. I can't recall where I saw it, but it probably
> was on the internet.
I saw Oh Calcutta! in the '80s. We sat in the first row. Things were
jiggling right in front of our eyes. It was quite embarrassing. :o
fishandchips
>
> - Show quoted text -
specify "things"
TAR
You know.. THINGS... Frank and beans... two balls and a bat... kibbles
and bits... meat puppets... one-eyed spitting snakes... purple helmeted
love rockets...
fishandchips
>
> - Show quoted text -
...........I think it moved
TAR
>
> No, YOU are cuter!!! :) :) <huggz>
Poisoned Rose likes you, Jim. All that talk must have turned him on.
fishandchips
> poisoned rose wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
yuch
Qbrian
@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> Did anybody else find this book as unreliable as I did? I wasted my
> eleven bucks on the book.
>
coincidentally, it's sitting on the floor about a cubit from my foot
with an inch of dust on it. I picked it up at the airport on a flight
back from FL a few years back, and never had the desire to pick it up
again once I got home.
fishandchips
> Angie <angie_5...@excite.com> wrote in news:1180993331.249803.62050
careful what you pick up on the way home
O'Leary
> coincidentally, it's sitting on the floor about a cubit from my foot
The word "cubit" is not used enough nowadays.
RichL
news:Fs-dnX__T61Rufvb...@comcast.com...
> Qbrian wrote:
>
> > coincidentally, it's sitting on the floor about a cubit from my foot
>
>
> The word "cubit" is not used enough nowadays.
Is there any such thing as a "millicubit"?
celestialpr...@gmail.com
> good. It's very unreliable and egotistic. His book puts him at the
> center of everything Beatles, if you know what I mean. I was appalled
> when he mentioned Brian Epstein and John Lennon's Spain vacation and
> their supposed sexual affair. It was as if Brown were in the room,
> trying to get into Lennon's mind. "It's wishful thinking on his part,"
> Paul mentions in his Playboy interview about Brown's accusations. Both
> Brian and John are dead and unable to defend themselves.
>
> Brown also mentions the Pete Best sacking. He claims that Best was
> fired because of jealousy. Paul was a frontman who loved the attention
> and the girls, claims Brown, but Pete was better looking and the girls
> would cry for him instead.
Some Other Guy
>On Jun 5, 5:38?pm, Angie <angie_5...@excite.com> wrote:
>> > John reportedly wrote the
>> > masturbation scene in that Broadway show
>>
>> What Broadway show? If so, I want see it. That would make an
>> interesting scene. :)
I think John had something to do with Oh! Calcutta. there was nakedness in that one.
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
Donna, I am laughing so hard, my sides are jiggling!!
Did you see it on Broadway?
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh my! I bet that makes Brian Damaged/Hugh Jampton very excited.
Does this turn you on Brian Damaged? Feel anything growing? Maybe
now you can throw away your Viagra errr I meant LSD.
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
ROTFLMAO!
fatt...@yahoo.com
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:46:32 -0000, fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >On Jun 5, 5:38?pm, Angie <angie_5...@excite.com> wrote:
> >> > John reportedly wrote the
> >> > masturbation scene in that Broadway show
>
> >> What Broadway show? If so, I want see it. That would make an
> >> interesting scene. :)
>
> I think John had something to do with Oh! Calcutta. there was nakedness in that one.
LOL! See above. He is credited with the idea for masturbation scene.
TAR
>
> On Jun 5, 8:36 pm, TAR <tom.r...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the link. This is what I was saying above.
> >
> > > I do recall seeing a film of the actual scene itself . . . not just
> > > words describing it. I can't recall where I saw it, but it probably
> > > was on the internet.
> >
> > jiggling right in front of our eyes. It was quite embarrassing. :o
> >
>
>
> Did you see it on Broadway?
I'm thinking that it was off-Broadway because I remember the theater
being smaller. The stage was low and the atmosphere was more intimate.
A little too much so, if you ask me.
O'Leary
>>>>>John reportedly wrote the
>>>>>masturbation scene in that Broadway show
>>
>>>>What Broadway show? If so, I want see it. That would make an
>>>>interesting scene. :)
>>
>>I think John had something to do with Oh! Calcutta. there was nakedness in that one.
>
>
> LOL! See above. He is credited with the idea for masturbation scene.
I believe John was involved in that one.
bessie
> On Jun 5, 6:18?pm, bessie <bessiejunej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 4, 2:18 pm, Brian Damage Bolowski <estuspir...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, Angie <angie_5...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Did anybody else find this book as unreliable as I did?
>
>
> > > >I wasted my eleven bucks on the book.
>
>
> > Fatty probably keeps a copy close at hand for "private" moments
>
> It's a lot more fun than LSD.
And yoy know this how??
bessie
Why are you so afraid of alternative life styles? Why do you feel so
threatened?
Your ignorance is indeed deep and broad.
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wait, you read it in a book!
I keep forgetting the gospel according to fatts
"If it is in print and puts down Yoko it is the gospel truth"
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
OY! Was it well ventilated?
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Wouldn't you like to know. :-)
Tell your hubby to "treat" you right . . . .If you think LSD is more
fun than your hubby, well, good luck to ya.
TAR
Yeah. All that jiggling stirred up quite a breeze!
14 or fight!
> Oh my! I bet that makes Brian Damaged/Hugh Jampton very excited.
>
> Does this turn you on Brian Damaged? Feel anything growing? Maybe
> now you can throw away your Viagra errr I meant LSD.
I'll bet you really grunt and strain for these failed swats at wit.
(OMG he changed his name again I must inform the world)
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
WTF?
Did I say that?
You are delusional at best.
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Eeeewwwwww
fatt...@yahoo.com
Yes, I do. It's very exciting Brian Damaged.
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Come on fatts
What the fuck are you on about?
Just lashing out?
Sean Carroll
> "O'Leary" <ol...@yahoou.com> wrote
>>The word "cubit" is not used enough nowadays.
> Is there any such thing as a "millicubit"?
No, but there is a Q*Bert.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
House: You're talking about your penis in the third person.
Patient: Me and him, two people.
House: Separate vacations? That'd be a drag for one of you.
14 or fight!
> RichL wrote:
> > "O'Leary" <o...@yahoou.com> wrote
> >>The word "cubit" is not used enough nowadays.
> > Is there any such thing as a "millicubit"?
>
> No, but there is a Q*Bert.
abe slaney
> RichL wrote:
>
>> "O'Leary" <ol...@yahoou.com> wrote
>
>
>>> The word "cubit" is not used enough nowadays.
>
>
>> Is there any such thing as a "millicubit"?
>
>
> No, but there is a Q*Bert.
>
I killed Hilton Cubitt.
Lookingglass
"Sean Carroll" <sean...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_3D9i.116709$NK5....@newsfe23.lga...
> RichL wrote:
>> "O'Leary" <ol...@yahoou.com> wrote
>
>>>The word "cubit" is not used enough nowadays.
>> Is there any such thing as a "millicubit"?
> No, but there is a Q*Bert.
>
> --Sean
> http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
...not to mention MilliVanilli.
;^)
Angie
> It was Oh! Calcutta.
Oh! Calcutta. Yes, I remember it. I haven't seen it in a long time. I
dimly remember the naked scenes, but not too great.
Russel Forsythe
a soap opera which it wasn't.It also seemed very prone to
exaggeration.If John for example got drunk one day Peter has him being
drunk for a whole week.If any 2 of them had a run-in then they were
enemies for life,etc.
Angie
This is what I noticed about the book as well. It has Brian Epstein a
strung-out drug addict who misses conferences and stuff like that.
It's pretty sad that he wrote such a ridiculous book. I hope he's
happy with the money he's made from the book.
fatt...@yahoo.com
I read Brown's book a while ago and can't recall all the specifics.
As far as Brian being a strung out drug addict, again this may not be
something you or I want to read, but I think it wasn't so far from the
truth. Shortly before poor Brian died, he did attempt suicide; he was
in some type of sanitarium for a while. It was widely reported that
Brian had psychological issues and had great trouble sleeping.
It was also reported that his contract with the Beatles was coming up
for renewal. The Beatles had stopped touring and Brian felt his
position was threatened. He believed he wasn't needed as much. He was
reportedly quite depressed.
He eventually died from an accidental overdose of drugs . . . . some
medications had supposedly built up in his body.
UsurperTom
> It has Brian Epstein a strung-out drug addict who misses conferences and stuff like that.
Brown was Brian's lover.
Angie
> I read Brown's book a while ago and can't recall all the specifics.
> As far as Brian being a strung out drug addict, again this may not be
Yes, but Brown is once again clearly exaggerates on some points in the
book about Brian's condition. Yes, he had mental problems, but once
again he was able to keep the Beatles together as a strung-out drug
addiction wouldn't be able to do. He was into self-mulitation, I
believe.
fatt...@yahoo.com
This self mutilation is a new one to me. What makes you think Brian
was into self mutilation?
fishandchips
oh come on Fatt.....he was always biting his cuticles
Russel Forsythe
depressing time for all involved which it wasn't.There were ups and
downs to it just like anything else.
fatt...@yahoo.com
LOL! The ones on his fingers or the ones on his toes?
Angie
> This self mutilation is a new one to me. What makes you think Brian
> was into self mutilation?
I know it isn't documented, but isnt it possible? I mean he was known
for his self-destructive behavior. In Bob Spitz's book, I found this:
"Even before the summer, friends noticed Brian slipping into
depressions marked by episodes of irrational and self-destructive
behavior."
It's possible even if it isn't said specifically.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Well, one could say almost anything is possible. But IMO there is a
leap of logic from " Brian was depressed" to "Brian was into self
mutilation."
Although the quote says that Brain was into "epidodes of irrational
and self destructive behavior" that can take many forms; it does not
necessarily mean he was into self mutilation.
UsurperTom
> Although the quote says that Brain was into "epidodes of irrational and self destructive behavior" that can take many forms
Also, a person who is self destructive can be productive in his job at
the same time.
Sean Carroll
>>This self mutilation is a new one to me. What makes you think Brian
>>was into self mutilation?
> I know it isn't documented, but isnt it possible?
Uh ... sure. It's 'possible' that John Lennon was really a
hyper-intelligent plaid-coloured kangaroo in disguise. It's also
'possible', according to quantum physics, that tomorrow at 11:32, all
the particles in the Moon will suddenly tunnel away to the Andromeda
galaxy while no one's looking, and never be seen again. What's your point?
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
Cameron: He's stuck in the superior mesenteric.
House: I knew we should have stopped for directions. Men.