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Paul McCartney, Great Painter or Pretentious Charlatan??

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Mister Charlie

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Jan 2, 2005, 5:32:36 PM1/2/05
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Paul McCartney said a while back that he had always longed to be a
great painter but had been held back by his working class Liverpool
origins, and the fact that he chose early on to become a rock
musician.

He seems to believe that if he'd started in an art career from the
very beginning (like the dead Beatle Stuart Sutcliffe), he'd now be
just as famous and as respected as a painter instead of an
entertainment icon..

He was speaking at the first British exhibition of his artwork at a
Bristol gallery a while back, after being inspired to begin painting
at the age of 40. Paul said he decided to turn his hand to art while
talking with the late abstract impressionist Willem de Kooning, whose
studio in East Hampton, New York, was close to one of Paul's many
houses.

"We were looking at one his paintings and I said, 'What's it supposed
to be, Bill?' He replied, 'I dunno, looks like a couch, eh?' I
thought it looked like a purple mountain and he thought it looked like
a couch. Close enough, but the fact that he didn't feel it mattered
sort of enlightened me. I began to sense that I too could do this
kind of stuff. Why not? I already paint images through my song
lyrics. I'm just trading my pen for oils and water colors."

De Kooning was noted for his magnificently frenetic and often
repellent paintings of women, as well as his richly hectic sense of
color. Paul has virtually copied de Kooning's style. His influence
on McCartney is blatantly obvious, especially in a trilogy of
paintings of the Queen. One of them, completed in 1991, is captioned
"The Queen with her first cigarette". A small child could have
painted it.

Paul seems to be on surer ground with a barely recognizable portrait
of his late wife, Linda, looking pensive by a yellow piano. Over 22
years, he has produced more than 600 canvases, but his only other show
was in an outdoor food market in Siegen, Germany. Virtually all his
paintings are stored in a warehouse in Scotland, presumably to be put
on the market after Paul dies.

Accompanied by his one-legged wife Heather, Paul said: "I always liked
drawing as a kid and I liked the idea of painting. Still do. But I
felt there was some sort of reason why I shouldn't try my hand at
it....because I hadn't been trained, because I hadn't been to art
college, because I was just a working class person who only knew how
to play rock and roll."


Scribbler

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Jan 2, 2005, 5:53:50 PM1/2/05
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It's a shame when someone who is successful in one field
gives in to ego and just assumes they can be successful in
another. Think of all the much more talented painters out there
that no one (relatively speaking) pays attention to because
their names are not "Paul McCartney." I would have a lot
more respect for Paul if he would discover and champion some
of them.


alexander king

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Jan 2, 2005, 6:16:28 PM1/2/05
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"Scribbler" <Scri...@no-email.com> wrote in message
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Have you seen them? I thought the same as you until I got his book of
paintings from the library. I must say I was rather impressed, though
not entirely. I knew he had an ability to doodle, and that does not
necessarily translate to good impressionistic art.

But some of the things I saw had some real power and emotion to them.
Not all, he is basically an amateur. And I doubt he could have lived
off his paintings had he not been a musician. But still, not at all
bad.

--

"It's a real Artanis."
>
>


Lathom Gedge

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Jan 2, 2005, 9:52:46 PM1/2/05
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Scribbler <Scri...@no-email.com> wrote in
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And I suppose the encouragement given him by Magritte was all for
naught?

la...@lstoll.com

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Jan 3, 2005, 12:40:21 PM1/3/05
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One of the Mr. Charlies said:
> Paul McCartney said a while back that he had always
> longed to be a great painter....

Got a quote on the "longed to be great" part? (Though, heck, why not
aim high?) He's never claimed to BE a great painter.

> He seems to believe that if he'd started in an art

> career from the very beginning... he'd now be...
> famous and respected as a painter...
You seem to be claiming a belief for him that may or may not exist.

bong bong

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Jan 3, 2005, 3:28:23 PM1/3/05
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<la...@lstoll.com> wrote in message
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> One of the Mr. Charlies said:


There is no more Mister Charlie. Only a forger who chooses to use the
name. I have abandoned the shell and now go under various names.

Now the next message you should get, with alarming predictability, is
the forger claiming Charlie is still him, is viable, and probably
telling someone to 'eat him'.

Look at the headers. As of Dec. 27 there is NO MORE REAL Mister
Charlie.


Mister Charlie

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Jan 3, 2005, 4:27:43 PM1/3/05
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On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:28:23 -0800, "bong bong" <chimp...@aol.com>
wrote:

To anyone reading this thread, this message was posted by a puke pile
TROLL who wants everyone to believe that I am no longer posting here
under my usual moniker. Incredibly, he is using the unprecedented
tactic of attempting to forge me while using a moniker different from
the person he is trying to forge.

Go figure.

MikeSo

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Jan 3, 2005, 6:15:59 PM1/3/05
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"Mister Charlie" <smoke...@myway.com> wrote in message
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Nope. Nice try.

No 66.

Thanks,
Mike
(stick to Ringo drumming threads, puh-lease)


heartbreaker

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Jan 3, 2005, 6:25:52 PM1/3/05
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"Mister Charlie" <smoke...@myway.com> wrote in message
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Right on cue.

yawn

LOOK AT THE HEADERS.


abe slaney

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Jan 3, 2005, 6:54:20 PM1/3/05
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Magritte died in 1967. Maybe you meant DeKooning?

Bud Shaver

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Jan 3, 2005, 8:18:22 PM1/3/05
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I have a copy of his book of "art" and all I can say is: he's lucky he is a
rockstar and not an artist.


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Lathom Gedge

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Jan 3, 2005, 8:53:22 PM1/3/05
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abe slaney <abesl...@itagain.com> wrote in
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> Magritte died in 1967. Maybe you meant DeKooning?


Oops, I'm sorry. You are quite right. Peter Blake also
encouraged him I believe.

Stephen X. Carter

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Jan 7, 2005, 7:58:18 AM1/7/05
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I've seen the paintings for real (as well as having the book), and I can
say that I continue to be underwhelmed by them.

Going to see them was interesting without a doubt. Great Art. Nope.
:-)

--
st...@stephencarterNOSPAM.net
Nothing is Beatle Proof!!

U_R_Knot_Aloon

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Jan 7, 2005, 8:02:48 AM1/7/05
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Stephen X. Carter wrote:


You wouldn't know great art if where's Waldo was drawn on yer forhead.

MacBeatle

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Jan 7, 2005, 9:14:34 AM1/7/05
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Bud Shaver wrote:
> I have a copy of his book of "art" and all I can say is: he's lucky
he is a
> rockstar and not an artist.
>

Hope you didn't pay more than $5-$10 bucks for it!

The real outrage is that he used his wife's (Linda)
family's connections to add that faux 20th Century
"Great Artists" sheen to his "collection" -- bottom
line truth is, he appealed to his legions of female over-forty
followers with a bunch of amateurish (if sometimes revealing)
abstract expressionist paintings and many of these idiots spent
their money on trips to Germany to see HIM... naturally,
this niche market was aching for an autograph, a word,
a gesture from the heavily guarded music mogul.

All this now seems too too fey. For art historians (real
ones with real art book collections) he's not even on the radar.

If you like modern art, there are dozens of talented newcomers
whose understanding of retro-Expressionism makes MacPainter's
stuff look like cheapo postcard translations of middle period
deKooning. UNICEF sold maccafreaks a note card series in 1999;
(he "donated" licensing of a selected few images) these weren't
bad, and you didn't even need a German hotel
reservation to view them. In fact, they look better when reduced
to first class snail mail size.

(Source: My friend in ChicagoLand, who spent hundreds to attend
Linda's New York Memorial, donated hundreds more to PETA on her meager
drama teacher salary in hopes of a close up viewing of Sir P; she is to
be pitied rather than scorned. Probably no trip to London is planned
for the Spring of '05. Security concerns will likely keep her home in
the good old USA during this third year of WW3.)

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> "Mister Charlie" <smoke...@myway.com> wrote in message
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> > Paul McCartney said a while back

Who cares?

Gerry Zekelo

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Jan 7, 2005, 9:43:10 AM1/7/05
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"Stephen X. Carter" <steve@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
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Even as a defender I would never claim them to be Great Art.


CYBERFLOYD

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Jan 8, 2005, 12:00:06 AM1/8/05
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I have a vague memory of one with red trees that was really nice and another
one of Davis Bowie barfing or something that never deserved to be published in
a book.

Will Dockery

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Jan 8, 2005, 12:27:47 AM1/8/05
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Mister Charlie wrote:

*snip*

> Accompanied by his one-legged wife

You're an asshole, Charlie.

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TAR

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Jan 8, 2005, 1:21:04 AM1/8/05
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Will Dockery wrote:

>
> Mister Charlie's forger wrote:
>
> *snip*
>
> > Accompanied by his one-legged wife
>
> You're an asshole, Charlie.


Haven't you been around here long enough to realize that this wasn't
Charlie, but a forgery?

Will Dockery

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Jan 8, 2005, 1:37:10 AM1/8/05
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No, though I've read through quite a few archives, I only popped in
here fairly recently... haven't completely defined the "good guys" from
the "bad guys", yet.

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