OT _Hope for horses w/broken limbs
bessie
nice thing to share
http://www.lsu.edu/highlights/2006/10/molly.html
Looks promising!
Martin Hofner
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I assume we can use Henry the Horse as your connection to this stupid
off-topic link.
I had horsemeat for Sunday dinner.
If they break their legs - eat 'em.
bessie
What a cuddly fellow you are!
Cardinal Puff
Horse meat is eaten throughout the world, and has been for years. Get
over it.
fatt...@yahoo.com
Thanks for the heart warming article.
(I wonder what Heather Mills would think . . . just kidding)
Seriously, before I read this article, I had thought to myself "why
can't medical science create a prosthetic leg for a horse with a
shattered ankle?"
fatt...@yahoo.com
> On May 13, 12:54 pm, bessie <bessiejunej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > After all the back and forth on Eight Belles I thought this would be a
> > nice thing to share
>
> >http://www.lsu.edu/highlights/2006/10/molly.html
>
> > Looks promising!
>
> ==============
>
> I assume we can use Henry the Horse as your connection to this stupid
> off-topic link.
It's off topic but it's not stupid. There was a "heated" thread
regarding animals injured during horse racing.
Martin Hofner
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It's still off topic and the "heated" thread you mentioned belongs
somewhere else.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
"Cardinal Puff" <jimmyca...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In France, you buy it at the charcuterie du cheval.
fatt...@yahoo.com
> fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Looks promising!
>
> > Thanks for the heart warming article.
>
> > (I wonder what Heather Mills would think . . . just kidding)
>
> > Seriously, before I read this article, I had thought to myself "why
> > can't medical science create a prosthetic leg for a horse with a
> > shattered ankle?"
>
> latter wants to run...hard. I bet most such horses would be
> "overconfident" in a false leg and quickly cause yet further injury to
> themselves. A prosthetic just couldn't handle that kind of stress. Also,
> a horse with a fake leg would require lots and lots of ongoing medical
> attention.
>
> Do you really think the racing industry wouldn't casually amputate legs
> over euthanizing, if they thought this would allow the horses to
> continue living and earn exorbitant stud fees?
You raise some valid points. As far as a racehorse wanting to run on a
fake leg, perhaps that is true . . . but what is the alternative? I
hate putting an animal to sleep.
As far as stud fees, another good point. Perhaps that is why such
efforts were made to save Barbaro ( a male) but the filly Eight Belles
was put to sleep.
bessie
I asked my sister in law that question - she is a vet and she sent me
that article.
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
BINGO! That is what SIL said, that the stud fees are so potentially
huge that there is a lot of research going on, unfortunately as you
point out, it wont help the fillies much
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Never said I had a problem with it.
appe...@yahoo.com
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> "Cardinal Puff" <jimmycarlwh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It's in the larger grocery stores here in Quebec, along with bison,
venison, et al
Starting to worry about where to find it when we move to Atlanta this
summer....
Sean Carroll
> fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> As far as stud fees, another good point. Perhaps that is why such
>> efforts were made to save Barbaro ( a male) but the filly Eight Belles
>> was put to sleep.- Hide quoted text -
> BINGO! That is what SIL said, that the stud fees are so potentially
> huge that there is a lot of research going on, unfortunately as you
> point out, it wont help the fillies much
Wow.
Wasn't that, like, a verse in the Bible, about the eternal peace after the
final days ... 'And the bessie shall lie down with the fattuchus, and they
shall post together in total agreement'?
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com
Kutner: But why did he test positive for syphilis?
House: Oh, wait, I know this!
Kutner: Either one, he has syphilis ...
House: I was gonna say that!
bessie
> "bessie" <bessiejunej...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> As far as stud fees, another good point. Perhaps that is why such
> >> efforts were made to save Barbaro ( a male) but the filly Eight Belles
> >> was put to sleep.- Hide quoted text -
> > BINGO! That is what SIL said, that the stud fees are so potentially
> > huge that there is a lot of research going on, unfortunately as you
> > point out, it wont help the fillies much
>
> Wow.
>
> Wasn't that, like, a verse in the Bible, about the eternal peace after the
> final days ... 'And the bessie shall lie down with the fattuchus, and they
> shall post together in total agreement'?
>
> --
>
Wow, are you going to add some new chapters to that great work of
fiction the bible?
Cool, it needs some new myths
fatt...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
I see you and Sean agree on this issue.
I'm not deeply religious, but I do believe that at least some portions
of the Bible talk about historical fact or are at least based loosely
on historical fact. For example, I believe the Exodus "story" is
true. The Israelites really were slaves in Egypt, King Ramses really
did exist and hold the Jews slaves, Moses did exist, etc.
Another example: King Solomon and King David. These were real people
who ruled ancient Israel (or was it Judea at the time? . . . I forget
what it was called)
bessie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sure they are BASED on fact but after centuries of meddling and
stories being altered to fit agendas it is almost impossible to say
how much truth is actually there.
Sound familiar? ; )
fatt...@yahoo.com
Yes, I get the message. :-)
However, the difference is the events in the Old Testament happened
more than 2000 years ago, not 30 years ago.
I have an idea . . . . you and I can agree to meet at rmb in, let's
say, 2000 years, and then we can compare notes to see how much the
Beatles story has changed. Deal? :-)
UsurperTom
> you and I can agree to meet at rmb in, let's say, 2000 years
Bessie's rejection of God makes it unlikely that she will be in a good
place in a 2000 years;-)
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
>
> > Thanks for the heart warming article.
>
> > (I wonder what Heather Mills would think . . . just kidding)
>
> > Seriously, before I read this article, I had thought to myself "why
> > can't medical science create a prosthetic leg for a horse with a
> > shattered ankle?"
>
> latter wants to run...hard. I bet most such horses would be
> "overconfident" in a false leg and quickly cause yet further injury to
> themselves. A prosthetic just couldn't handle that kind of stress. Also,
> a horse with a fake leg would require lots and lots of ongoing medical
> attention.
>
> Do you really think the racing industry wouldn't casually amputate legs
> over euthanizing, if they thought this would allow the horses to
> continue living and earn exorbitant stud fees?
Better yet...a very large wheel chair
Mackenzie
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
> All this horse talk...which reminds:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxCCYBKXn44
horse walks into the bar...bartender says, "why the long face"?
Bernie Woodham
"Mackenzie" <jade...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Horse talk. Yeah. Well, then, this is better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLR4iZJLgc4
bessie
Nothing to reject sweetie.
bessie
Two Irishmen walk out of a bar...............
Wellm it COULD happen
Lookingglass
"bessie" <bessiej...@yahoo.com>
Nothing to reject sweetie.
************************
Excellent!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdjPPmjUDPo
www.Shemakhan.com
bessie
> "bessie" <bessiejunej...@yahoo.com>
Thanks!
We are the goldfish in the bowl ya know!
jennt...@live.co.uk
> fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Do you really think the racing industry wouldn't casually amputate legs
> > > over euthanizing, if they thought this would allow thehorsesto
> > > continue living and earn exorbitant stud fees?
>
> > You raise some valid points. As far as a racehorse wanting to run on a
> > fake leg, perhaps that is true . . . but what is the alternative? I
> > hate putting an animal to sleep.
>
> altogether.
>
> > As far as stud fees, another good point. Perhaps that is why such
> > efforts were made to save Barbaro ( a male) but the filly Eight Belles
> > was put to sleep.
>
>
> Eight Belles had compound fractures in both front ankles.
>
> Difference in injury severity. Simple as that.
>
> Why are you compelled to dig so rabidly, tirelessly for "dirt"? Why?
Thanks for the clarification makes a lot of sence
Sean Carroll
> "Sean Carroll" <seanc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Wasn't that, like, a verse in the Bible, about the eternal peace after
>> the
>> final days ... 'And the bessie shall lie down with the fattuchus, and
>> they
>> shall post together in total agreement'?
> Wow, are you going to add some new chapters to that great work of
> fiction the bible?
> Cool, it needs some new myths
Naah. I considered it once, but I don't think I have the sociopolitical
authority to demand that my version of Jesus's life be accepted as the
Infallible Word of God.
Maybe I'm just not as ambitious as those thousand-year-old guys. Like them,
I was born many, many, many years after Jesus died; but, unlike them, I have
no political cachet to force my own biased, subjective interpretations of
his teachings into some sort of universal canon, and convince millions of
idiots that my version of his life has been passed down to me by the Creator
and is the most important and perfect truth that has ever been recorded.
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com
Thirteen: Give [House] five minutes. Brainstorming a few possibilities isn't
going to explode his brain.
House: And if she's wrong, that makes this phone call that much more
exciting.
Sean Carroll
> bessie <bessiejunej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Wow, are you going to add some new chapters to that great work of
>> fiction the bible?
>> Cool, it needs some new myths
> I see you and Sean agree on this issue.
Which, of course, does not mean either that we agree or disagree on any
other issue.
> I'm not deeply religious,
The thing I have the hardest time understanding is those who claim they are
Christians, and believe in the Bible, but yet they're not 'deeply
religious'.
Come on. Either you believe it's the Word of God, or you don't. You may
interpret it literally or metaphorically. But you either basically believe
what it says, or you don't. What is the point to being 'a little' religious?
If God really did create the Universe, and send his only begotten son to
purge us of Original Sin, then the only reasonable thing to do is make your
whole life revolve around that. And if God doesn't really exist at all in
the first place, the only reasonable thing to do is debunk him as an ancient
superstition.
But either way, you pick one or the other. It's fashionable these
post-modern days to say that nothing is 'really' true, and it all depends on
how you look at it. Which is all nothing but a load of nonsense. You can
believe that there's not enough evidence yet to decide, certainly. But the
very nature of religion denies that 'evidence' is at all relevant, because
everything is based on 'faith'.
So do you have faith, or don't you? If you do, then you need to actually
*practise* your religion, or else you're a hypocrite. If you don't, then you
need to come out and declare it. Sitting on the fence on this issue is like
trying to figure out a way that the Bolsheviks could take power without
deposing the Tsar.
> but I do believe that at least some portions
> of the Bible talk about historical fact or are at least based loosely
> on historical fact.
Certainly, some do. But many more 'portions' talk about ridiculous nonsense.
If you want to grasp ancient history, you would do much better to read
Herodotus or Tacitus -- people who actually tried to dig up the facts, as
opposed to shoehorning everything into a convenient mythological story that
supported their own views of how people should behave in society.
> For example, I believe the Exodus "story" is
> true. The Israelites really were slaves in Egypt, King Ramses really
> did exist and hold the Jews slaves, Moses did exist, etc.
You 'believe' that? Why? Either you believe it based on archaeological
evidence, or you believe it based on the fact that the Bible says so. In the
former case, you really shouldn't say you 'believe' -- you just *think* so,
*based on current evidence*. In the latter case, evidence is irrelevant, and
you 'know' it's true because God says so through the people who wrote the
Bible. Which is it?
There are many things in the Bible that MIGHT be true. But unless there is
something outside the Bible to back you up, believing that they ARE in fact
true, based on nothing more than the fact that the Bible says so, implies
that you believe to some extent that the Bible is truth passed down from
God. So do you or don't you?
RichL
Nothing is really true; it all depends on how you look at it.
;-)
RichL
> After all the back and forth on Eight Belles I thought this would be a
Update.
The Preakness went off without incident.
Mirabile dictu.
O'Leary III
> Nothing is really true; it all depends on how you look at it.
> ;-)
That's true! Or not.
RichL
And nothing to get hung about.
Sean Carroll
> fattuc...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yeah, I always add a little winky face at the end whenever I claim that
someone will suffer eternal torture and damnation because they don't
subscribe to my ancient superstitious beliefs, too. I mean, what kind of
assertion could possibly be more amusing?
--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com
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Kutner: [taking out a notepad] Where's your cane and motorcycle?
House: You're gonna trust me? I lie about everything.
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fatt...@yahoo.com
> <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > bessie <bessiejunej...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Wow, are you going to add some new chapters to that great work of
> >> fiction the bible?
> >> Cool, it needs some new myths
> > I see you and Sean agree on this issue.
>
> Which, of course, does not mean either that we agree or disagree on any
> other issue.
>
> > I'm not deeply religious,
>
> The thing I have the hardest time understanding is those who claim they are
> Christians, and believe in the Bible, but yet they're not 'deeply
> religious'.
>
> Come on. Either you believe it's the Word of God, or you don't. You may
> interpret it literally or metaphorically. But you either basically believe
> what it says, or you don't. What is the point to being 'a little' religious?
> If God really did create the Universe, and send his only begotten son to
> purge us of Original Sin, then the only reasonable thing to do is make your
> whole life revolve around that. And if God doesn't really exist at all in
> the first place, the only reasonable thing to do is debunk him as an ancient
> superstition.
I appreciate your point of view, but I don't think you fully
appreciate how complicated some religions are. For some religions, it
involves a lot more than merely "either you believe every word of the
Bible and follow it literally or you don't." For example, some
religions have a tremendous number of rules and rituals which some
devoted people accept and follow while others reject even though they
don't reject the whole religion.
From my experience, there are many people who have religious beliefs
even if they don't accept every aspect of a particular religion hook,
line and sinker.
O'Leary III
> I appreciate your point of view, but I don't think you fully
> appreciate how complicated some religions are. For some religions, it
> involves a lot more than merely "either you believe every word of the
> Bible and follow it literally or you don't."
If you're going to quote someone, quote someone:
abby for now
news:EamdndT_QObOE67V...@comcast.com...
> If you're going to quote someone, quote someone:
> "Either you believe it's the Word of God, or you don't. You may
> interpret it literally or metaphorically. But you either basically
> believe what it says, or you don't."
Amen, brotha!
O'Leary III
>> If you're going to quote someone, quote someone:
>
>> "Either you believe it's the Word of God, or you don't. You may
>> interpret it literally or metaphorically. But you either basically
>> believe what it says, or you don't."
>
> Amen, brotha!
I'm still waiting to see the dance!
abby for now
"O'Leary III" <mo...@mogjod1.com> wrote in message
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> abby for now wrote:
>> Amen, brotha!
>
>
> I'm still waiting to see the dance!
I'm still working on the choreography.
O'Leary III
>> I'm still waiting to see the dance!
>
> I'm still working on the choreography.
Yowza!