who was jude?
Michael Martin
Julian to help cope with John and Cynthia's breakup.
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Francie
> >Yep. It was originally called 'Hey Jules', written by Paul for
> >Julian to help cope with John and Cynthia's breakup.
>
> This is a dirty lie and one more example of the kind of crap Paul McCartney is
> always spreading around becuz he's so dam rich and thinks he can do everything.
> "Hey Jude" was suppose to be "Hey Francie Schwartz" but liar Paul changed the
> name so he could hide his real forever girlfriend.
As Linda would have said,
"Oh sod off ya stupid fuck."
frannie, or schwartz
--
No one is perfect.
No, but by the flaws
in the picture the truth
will emerge.
-- William S. Burroughs
"The Last Word"
d.
beat...@aol.com (Beatles10) wrote:
> >>Yep. It was originally called 'Hey Jules', written by Paul for
> >>Julian to help cope with John and Cynthia's breakup.
>
> I believe that explanation is what is known as a distracter.
I believe that this song is 'about' many things, including that.
> "Jude" also for what it's worth is also the German spelling for "Jew".
> Many of the Jewish faith find the song especially meaningful and comforting as
> a result
Jude is also the Catholic patron saint of lost causes.
Amazing how much there is to be found in this seemingly simple song.
--
"The wonder of it all, baby." - Paul McCartney
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Vizs2000
>"Oh sod off ya stupid fuck."
>
WOW! FrancieSchwartz talked to me that is so way cool
Mkram5B
always said it was about julian, but john-
"go out and get her"- thought it was paul "giving me his blessing," as I
believe john put it.
paramucho
>> >>Julian to help cope with John and Cynthia's breakup.
>>
>
>I believe that this song is 'about' many things, including that.
>
>> "Jude" also for what it's worth is also the German spelling for "Jew".
>> Many of the Jewish faith find the song especially meaningful and comforting as
>> a result
>
>
>Jude is also the Catholic patron saint of lost causes.
>
>Amazing how much there is to be found in this seemingly simple song.
As Schoenberg said, without irony, there are still many great pieces of music
to be written in C major.
Jude, written in F, has always reminded me musically of "Lily Marlene".
Ian
fabella
In article <20000215001259...@ng-ce1.aol.com>,
mkr...@aol.com (Mkram5B) wrote:
>didnt lennon always insist that the song was about him? paul,
of course, has
>always said it was about julian, but john-
>"go out and get her"- thought it was paul "giving me his
blessing," as I
>believe john put it.
>
>
>
>
In a lengthy interview published in Crawdaddy (1971),
about the meaning of almost all Beatle songs, John said:
"It started out as a song to my son Julian. I always thought
it was about me and mine, but he [Paul] told me it was
about him and his."
H.V. Fulpen quoted John from this interview as well.
It's open to interpretation, but when I read it (in 1971)
I knew John meant "me and Yoko" when he said
"me and mine" and "him and his" was Paul and me,
considering the timing of the writing of the song as
well as the discreet wording John chose...
francie
D 28IF
>I knew John meant "me and Yoko" when he said
>"me and mine" and "him and his" was Paul and me,
>considering the timing of the writing of the song as
>well as the discreet wording John chose...
>
>francie
>
>
I thought Paul had already met Linda by then. Despite what John thought, and
whether your interpretation of what John said is true, couldn't it also be that
Paul was giving himself a pep talk to "go out and get her" - Linda, the one
that wasn't physically there at the time?
fabella
In article <20000215073641...@ng-cq1.aol.com>,
London in April 1968.
However, he wrote most of the lyrics during our relationship,
and finished his conceptualizing
during the time between his inviting me to "come home"
(including taking me to meet
his father - twice) and John and Yoko's extended stay at
Cavendish Ave.
An interesting point: In the boot disk my partner sent me last
spring, Paul sings the
lyric differently: "She has found you, now go and get her."
Which could be taken either
way.
I've never claimed that Jude *is* me. More often, I've said he
is referring to himself in
the title (and I was also aware of the saint of lost causes) and
at the same time, his appropriation
of some of my phrases lends credence toward John's expression of
it - which was protective of
Paul's feelings about his privacy as well as a nod of
acknowledgement to me. I don't think
John made it up that Paul told him it was about *us*.
Linda was already in his mind, but I don't think he made up his
mind about asking her to
come to London until August, around the same time as the
fracturing of his partnership with
John following the "hate note" incident. By that time, the song
was complete, even though its
length was being debated.
Thank you for asking as a question instead of an attack on my
credibility.
We've agreed that Paul is seldom literal in his lyrics, and the
vagueness is deliberate.
This song means a great many things to a great many people.
Still, if Linda had been very much on his mind, I think he would
have sung Jude at
her memorials.
Francie
fabella
lstoll
>
> didnt lennon always insist that the song was about him?
> paul, of course, has always said it was about julian,
> "giving me his blessing," as I believe john put it.
Paul hasn't always said that HJ was *about* Julian. When asked about the
song he generally tells about how it *started out* as a song *for*
Julian. He usually doesn't say any more than that, but on at least one
occassion he said that it turned into a song about himself. -laura
cbeckett
"mkrtru1" <mkrtru1...@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:15f5621a...@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com...
> hey does anyone know who jude was in the song hey jude? i
> heard somewhere that it is julian lennon but i can't be
> sure.
> Paul says it was julian, but John said he always heard it as a song to
HIM.
>
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D 28IF
>I've never claimed that Jude *is* me. More often, I've said he
>is referring to himself in
>the title (and I was also aware of the saint of lost causes) and
>at the same time, his appropriation
>of some of my phrases lends credence toward John's expression of
>it - which was protective of
>Paul's feelings about his privacy as well as a nod of
>acknowledgement to me. I don't think
>John made it up that Paul told him it was about *us*.
Interesting thought. The only reason I'd question it is that I can't believe
that John would be protective of Paul at all in this instance. Even in later
interviews, when the "wounds have all healed" (as John said in 1974 of 75), he
never related the story as you mention it.
If anything, John seemed to be at a period where he was stripping away all
protective layers, laying everything on the line, as he saw it. This is a man,
after all, who stood stark naked with the woman he loved on an album cover,
intended to be distributed in record stores.
I just don't see him being in that mindset, yet deciding he would be discreet
on Paul's behalf.
Still, my theory proves nothing definitive, either.
>Thank you for asking as a question instead of an attack on my
>credibility.
You're welcome. If you cast your mind back, we've had some very pleasant
debates and conversations, even on this board at times. ;-) I'm glad you took
what I wrote in the spirit it was intended, and didn't read anything into it.
>
>We've agreed that Paul is seldom literal in his lyrics, and the
>vagueness is deliberate.
>This song means a great many things to a great many people.
>
>Still, if Linda had been very much on his mind, I think he would
>have sung Jude at
>her memorials.
I don't really think so. First of all, Paul didn't perform at the memorials.He
sang nothing solo, only as part of the entire congregation.
"Let It Be" was played during the memorials, yet it had more to do with his
mother than Linda. So I don't necessarily think the song being played at the
memorial would have counted as a testament to it being about Linda or not.
fabella
In article <20000215175936...@ng-fd1.aol.com>,
d2...@aol.com (D 28IF) wrote:
>>From: fabella waronsex...@yahoo.com.invalid
>
>
>Interesting thought. The only reason I'd question it is that I
can't believe
>that John would be protective of Paul at all in this instance.
Even in later
>interviews, when the "wounds have all healed" (as John said in
1974 of 75), he
>never related the story as you mention it.
First of all, by 74 he no longer made comments about Hey Jude,
which was
a released Beatle song with all four Beatles participating
(under Paul's direction).
He had succeeded in separating himself from the Fabs with
Plastic Ono Band.
Second of all, the John you think you know, was a gentle man who
loved his
ex-partner, even when he was angriest at him or most
disappointed.
Secondly, an interview that touches on authorship would be
something that
happened to John thousands of times, but he would answer
honestly, in whatever
mood he was in, with humor and charm -- that's why he did no
interviews for
five years. He wanted to start a new life. As for his respect
for Paul, it never left
him, and I think if you read the Ryko 1997 interview with Yoko
all the way through,
you'll know this. Finally, 1971 was just three years after Hey
Jude was finished,
so John's memory would have been clearer about what Paul told
him.
Quite right. I misspoke. I meant the Here There & Everywhere
event. I admit
that I was not terribly involved in the details of which song
was played where
and by whom. I do appreciate Chrissye Hynde's work, finishing
Linda's work
by using her photo on a new CD, and I took notice of her
involvement...
Anyway, this song, which Paul told me was his favorite during
our first Big
Talk, and it happened to be mine at that time as well. It was
clearly about
Jane Asher, and that was discussed at length in those other
forums, and I
read it all pretty fast. I speculated that if Hey Jude was as
much Linda's as
some people might think, surely he would have suggested someone
cover
it during the memorial concerts.
Michael Martin
for two years. What exactly does this mean? John wrote Hey Jude,
but labeled it as Paul's. Whenever John wrote a ballad, he put
Paul's name on it. That's the way he worked. Paul's lookalike
sang the song. When the song is played backwards at speeds so
fast that the song is 20 seconds long, you can almost sort of
hear someone say 'Paul? Are you there? No, you're not! You're
dead! You are a very skilled person for discovering this
message', and then it ends abruptly. This proves that Paul really
was dead. So now, every time you hear a funny jokester play Hey
Jude backwards at sonic speeds, just sit back and say "I was told
this first on RMB". Thank you for including this message in your
life.
Michael "bringing the dead posts to life" Martin
Record Lady
mkrtru1 wrote:
> hey does anyone know who jude was in the song hey jude?
Yep, that hot new actor Jude Law. You'll be seeing him at all the best
soirees.
Of course, this involved mega time travel on Paul's behalf, but more I
cannot say.
;)
Deb
jess...@my-deja.com
fabella schrieb:
Paul had not only *met* Linda when I brought my film idea to
London in April 1968.
Yes?
I don't think
John made it up that Paul told him it was about *us*.
Francie - "him and his" is what John said. The *us* bit is your
interpretation.
Linda was already in his mind, but I don't think he made up his
mind about asking her to
come to London until August, <snip>
Bingo. I think that´s what HJ is about - an ongoing thought process,
someone struggling to make a decision, to act upon his true feelings
once he´s admitted to them.
Anyway - if HJ was inded about you, do you think he´d sing it over and
over and over again at his concerts (bearing in mind that he allegedly
tries so very hard to get anything to do with you out of his life story)
And again, if - isn´t it ironic how, after working for weeks on it, he
did not take his own advice: he obviously did not let you under his
skin, instead he asked when you were leaving..........
PS: Seriously - I believe it´s well possible that things you said to him
made it into the lyrics, and I don´t have a problem with you saying so.
But this notion of the song being about you looks pretty unlikely to me.
And it´s funny how you keep changing your mind about this matter: One
day it´s about you, the next it´s not, but you inspired the lyrics, then
some rmb newbie again asks the "Who was Jude" question, and up pops
Francie, saying "It´s *about me*" - back and forth, back and forth,
over and over again.........Am I surprised? Not really.
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>
Quite right. I misspoke. I meant the Here There & Everywhere
event. I admit
that I was not terribly involved in the details of which song
was played where
and by whom. I do appreciate Chrissye Hynde's work, finishing
Linda's work
by using her photo on a new CD, and I took notice of her
involvement...
Anyway, this song, which Paul told me was his favorite during
our first Big
Talk, and it happened to be mine at that time as well. It was
clearly about
Jane Asher, and that was discussed at length in those other
forums, and I
read it all pretty fast.
You mean Here, There and Everywhere, right?
I speculated that if Hey Jude was as
much Linda's as
some people might think, surely he would have suggested someone
cover
it during the memorial concerts.
First of all, he obviously didn´t suggest any song. Many people simply
performed their own material, those who did McCartney covers picked the
usual Beatles numbers with very little connection to Linda, at least as
far as her being the inspiration for the songs is concerned. In that
context, I thought it was particularly nice and thoughtful of Elvis
Costello that he chose to perform "Warm And Beautiful" (psst, Francie,
you probably don´t know this one: It´s on Wings´ 1976 album Wings At The
Speed Of Sound).
Secondly, going by your logic and assuming he did make suggestions -
that would mean that Maybe I´m Amazed, My Love, The Lovely Linda and
tons of others aren´t about her either.
Thirdly, what do you then make of the fact that the event was called
Here, There and Everywhere and Paul performed All My Loving?
fabella
It's always such a bringdown reading your posts.
Come see my Derek at
http://sites.netscape.net/fabest
frannie or schwartz
P.S. The reason Paul sings Hey Jude all the time is it's his
greatest hit ever. People want to hear it. It can be done with
just a piano
(as I heard it maybe a hundred times, live) and it is his most
compelling composition lyrically speaking... not to mention the
construction of the piece into the nana section. George Martin's
conducting of the 30 or 40 piece brass section was magnificent.
fhs