My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine...
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
Was there any problem with Golden Slumbers in regards to ..
a 17th century poem by Thomas Dekker:
Golden slumbers kiss your eyes,
Smiles awake you when you rise;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
Care is heavy, therefore sleep you,
You are care, and care must keep you ;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
or was this a public domain situtation because of the age of the
writing.
Dale Houstman
Well - of course it was. The music is Paul's and the words were 300
years old, for jiminy's sake. Perfectly legit...
dmh
abe slaney
is the one that Paul changed!
Frank from Deeeetroit
I recall a quote from Paul that this poem is the source of his
lyrics. I suspect the writing was in the public domain. There was
also an issue with the "Threetles" "Free as a Bird" , Paul and
George's verses (whatever happend too...) with "Walking in the Sand"
by the "Shangri-Las." Not sure if they had to share a credit or pay
the writers a royalty.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
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Thanks. Just wanted verification. Thinking of "borrowing" some words I
read.
who?
I think it's perfectly legal to borrow some words. Nobody owns a
language.
Jeff
Dale Houstman
Shouldn't be any problem with things that are - say - 300 years old. You
can usually find out if something is still "under law" if you care to.
And there is a part of copyright law called "transformative usage" which
(I believe - I haven't read it) allows use of copyright material that
materially and conceptually changes the source material. An example of
that I recently read about, was that American artist who created the
Obama "Hope" poster from another person's photo. Seems it's perfectly
legitimate. It's akin to satire, I suspect. Artists do this all the
time: Duchamp's "LHOOQ" (in which he puts a moustache on the Mona Lisa)
comes to mind, but there's Andy Warhol's work (and a lot of other Pop
artists). But I cannot speak to the specifics of copyright. If you have
something creative to do, do it.
dmh
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
"BLACKPOOLJIMMY" <Chippa...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> George had his legal problems with copyright infringement and lost.
> Was there any problem with Golden Slumbers in regards to ..
>
> a 17th century poem by Thomas Dekker:
>
for Chuck Berry's lyric, ""Here come up flattop, he was groovin' up with me"
from the song "You Can't Catch Me". The opening lyric to "Come Together" is
"Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly". The settlement was he
had to record three Chuck Berry songs for his "Rock and Roll" album so
Chuck's publisher could collect royalties. These were "You Can't Catch Me",
"Ya Ya", and "Angel Baby", the last of which was not included on the album,
so Lennon was sued again and paid about US $6800.
topaz
wrote:
> "BLACKPOOLJIMMY" <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote in message
interesting, thanks for sharing
topaz
perhaps the real issue is that whoever wrote the 17th century poem and
his descendants were not necessarily making a profit from the poem so
no one felt like suing. I believe these infringement lawsuits occur
when one party sees that their work is being used and they are not
getting the credit or the money.
The Arranger
No, there's no copyright to material that old in the UK, or anywhere
else, I believe.
The Arranger
Fattuchus
The song "Turn Turn Turn" was loosely based on words in the Bible. I
wonder who would sue the Byrds . . . G-d? :-)
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
"Fattuchus" <fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Loosely based?
Ecclesiastes, Chapter 3, Verses 1-8
1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the
heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck
up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to
build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time
to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast
away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to
speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Turn Turn Turn
To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time for every purpose, under Heaven
A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep
To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time for every purpose, under Heaven
A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones, a time to gather stones together
To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time for every purpose, under Heaven
A time of love, a time of hate
A time of war, a time of peace
A time you may embrace, a time to refrain from embracing
To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time for every purpose, under Heaven
A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time for peace, I swear it's not too late
RichL
And the Byrds didn't "write" the modern-day version, Pete Seeger did.
Fattuchus
> Dimitrios Paskoudniakis <greek...@yeahright.com> wrote:
> > "Fattuchus" <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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OK. So who is going to sue Pete Seeger. :-)
Stephen X. Carter
<recu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No, there's no copyright to material that old in the UK, or anywhere
>else, I believe.
Not yet. :-)
The one exception to the rule that I'm aware of is that of the Peter Pan
story/play. I believe that the UK parliament passed special legislation
endowing the rights (etc) in perpetuity to Great Ormond Street Hospital
for Sick Children.
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BLACKPOOLJIMMY
Will do...thanks dmh.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
BlackMonk
On Oct 17, 9:09?am, "Dimitrios Paskoudniakis" <greek...@yeahright.com>
wrote:
> "BLACKPOOLJIMMY" <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:865c63dc-3ca9-4829...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...>
> George had his legal problems with copyright infringement and lost.
> > Was there any problem with Golden Slumbers in regards to ..
>
> > a 17th century poem by Thomas Dekker:
>
> John also had his legal problems with copyright infringement and settled,
> for Chuck Berry's lyric, ""Here come up flattop, he was groovin' up with
> me"
> is
> "Here come ol' flattop, he come groovin' up slowly". ?The settlement was
> had to record three Chuck Berry songs for his "Rock and Roll" album so
> "Ya Ya", and "Angel Baby", the last of which was not included on the
> album,
> so Lennon was sued again and paid about US $6800.
Neither Ya Ya nor Angel Baby are Chuck Berry songs, but I think the
publishing was controlled by the same person at the time.
Phred
> And the most interesting line in the poem - "sleep, pretty wantons" -
> is the one that Paul changed!
======================
Well, who'd want to hear a song about admiration for a Chinese soup?
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
.... the Chinese of course!
With two, you get eggroll. (stolen line).
Will Dockery
> is the one that Paul changed!
That is curious, Jagger & Richards probably would have kept
"wantons"... but public domain or not, as with when Dylan appropriates
old poetry and lyrics for his new songs, it would be cooler if the
original writer was credited for the material of his that was used.
Golden Slumbers
Golden slumbers kiss your eyes,
Smiles awake you when you rise;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
Care is heavy, therefore sleep you,
You are care, and care must keep you;
Sleep, pretty wantons, do not cry,
And I will sing a lullaby,
Rock them, rock them, lullaby.
-Thomas Dekker (1572-1632)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Dekker_%28writer%29
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Beatlez
The case was settled out of court, John made an agreement with
Morris Levy to record 3 songs, he
was already working on an oldies LP anyways. It was true he was
ordered in court to make payment,
because he did violate the agreement. In the end John won a bigger
lawsuit because Morris
Levy illegally released the Roots LP. This site has all the details:
http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/lenlevy.htm
Marc Klein
Carter) wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:34:29 -0700 (PDT), The Arranger
><recu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>No, there's no copyright to material that old in the UK, or anywhere
>>else, I believe.
>
>Not yet. :-)
>
>The one exception to the rule that I'm aware of is that of the Peter Pan
>story/play. I believe that the UK parliament passed special legislation
>endowing the rights (etc) in perpetuity to Great Ormond Street Hospital
>for Sick Children.
PETER PAN is now public domain in the UK. The copyright expired at
the end of 2007.
This is why Alan Moore's LOST GIRLS was unable to be published in the
UK until 2008, as it starred Wendy Darling.
Publishers of the King James Version of the Bible require a royal
patent in the UK, even though the text is public domain.
ctopper
wrote:
> "BLACKPOOLJIMMY" <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote in message
I'm guessing that Ringo must have run into a similar situation with
his "No No Song." On my original vinyl disc of Ringo's "Blast From
Your Past" compilation, the song is listed as "No No Song," written by
Hoyt Axton and David Jackson. By the time the album appeared on CD,
it's "No No Song / Skokiaan," credited to Axton/Jackson/Msarugua. This
always puzzled me, until I finally realized that the melody line of
Skokiaan can be heard in the instrumental break of No No Song. The
owners of Skokiaan must've demanded credit and/or royalties. (I
notice, however, that my CD of "Goodnight Vienna," the album where
Ringo's version originally appeared, still lists it simply as "No No
Song." Maybe it was updated for later pressings?)
On an unrelated note, I notice that the printed lyrics on the vinyl
sleeve of "Blast From Your Past" contains this lyric for "It Don't
Come Easy:" 'Peace remember peace Is hell we make it". That (I assume)
typo is still in place on the CD version.
Stephen X. Carter
wrote:
I stand corrected... but not 100%. :-)
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/dec/28/gtormondst>
Stephen X. Carter
wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:52:51 +0800, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen X.
Hmmmm.... further research shows that I was not quite as wrong as I had
thought...
From <http://www.gosh.org/about-us/peter-pan/peter-pan-copyright/>
The Great Ormond Street's own web site.....
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Peter Pan Copyright
J M Barrie�s gift of the rights to Peter Pan has provided a vital source
of income to Great Ormond Street Hospital ever since they were given to
the hospital in 1929.
The copyright first expired in 1987, 50 years after Barrie�s death, but
former Prime Minister Lord Callaghan successfully proposed an amendment
to the Copyright Designs & Patents Act of 1988, giving Great Ormond St
the unique right to royalties from stage performances of Peter Pan (and
any adaptation of the play) as well as from publications of the story of
Peter Pan, in perpetuity. (CDPA 1988, Schedule 6, Section 301).
In 1996 copyright term was extended to 70 years after the author�s death
throughout the European Union, which meant Peter Pan enjoyed revived
copyright until 31 December 2007, after which it entered the public
domain in Europe. The CDPA (of 1988 (see above) will therefore prevail
from now on in the UK so that GOSH will continue enjoying the benefit of
Barrie�s gift.
Thanks to different legislation in the US, the play (and stage
adaptations) is in copyright there until 2023.
Royalties
This means that whenever a performance of Peter Pan is staged or a book
published, a royalty is payable to Great Ormond Street Hospital
Children�s Charity.
For information about stage performances (whether professional or
amateur) in the UK and US, please contact our theatre agents listed
here.
For school performances in the UK, please contact pete...@gosh.org or
sch...@gosh.org. If you would like to stage a production in your school
or youth group in the UK, the licence fee will be waived if you are
raising funds for Great Ormond Street Hospital Children�s Charity.