Re: Yoko Ono + band (including Sean) on Jimmy Fallon tomorrow night
The Walrus was Danny
> Don't know if she's being interviewed or not.
Good one to avoid.
Danny
freshfeces
AllaBest
"We Mar John!
We Mar John!
We Mar John!
We Mar John!"
Musicman59
has anyone watched this show? its not getting better. I cringe when
he tries to tell a joke. No timing at all. Hope it will be better -
need something to watch that time of nite.
Craig
Jim Beam
wrote:
Damn straight,
Don't want any nightmares.
Is it a late Halloween special?
Not directed at Sean or the band.
Never watched his show.
Are they making the "rounds" of the late night shows?
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> has anyone watched this show? its not getting better. I cringe when
> he tries to tell a joke. No timing at all. Hope it will be better -
> need something to watch that time of nite.
I agree. It's dreadful. I was doubtful about the guy on SNL, but on his
own it's clear to me... he's very unfunny.
Bernie Woodham
> On 04 Nov 2009, Musicman59 <cwestbro...@gmail.com> wrote in
I can't see him lasting very long at all. But, I can't believe Carson
Daly's still on either.
Fattuchus
LOL!
Maybe she'll sing "We Mah Jong, We Mah Jong."
Fattuchus
Maybe YoYo will make you laugh when she sings.
Fattuchus
I wouldn't be surprised if they are making rounds of the late late
late night shows.
Fattuchus
Perhaps that's why he is having Yoko on as a guest . . . to help get a
larf.
Fattuchus
> Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Perhaps that's why he is having Yoko on as a guest . . . to help get a
> > larf.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if they are making rounds of the late late
> > late night shows.
> > LOL!
>
> > Maybe she'll sing "We Mah Jong, We Mah Jong."
>
> you work through all this ever -boiling hate. Perhaps suggest a new
> flavor of tea?
>
> You couldn't leave even one thread alone, eh? Couldn't leave even a
> simple news item alone without pouring in another flurry of your
> obsessed dementia?
>
> I was so conscientious about not including any baiting in my first
> post...it would have been so easy to add "This appearance ought to send
> the Yokotards crawling back to psychotherapy," or something similar.
> Nope, I resisted. But you crass, classless, moronic YTs started your
> feeble, self-congratulatory bashing anyway. Utterly pathetic.
Just for that . . . . maybe I'll make it a point of staying up and
watching the show.
topaz
> > larf.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if they are making rounds of the late late
> > late night shows.
> and Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Maybe YoYo will make you laugh when she sings.
> and Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > LOL!
>
> > Maybe she'll sing "We Mah Jong, We Mah Jong."
>
> You really should talk on the phone with Topaz more. Maybe she can help
> you work through all this ever -boiling hate. Perhaps suggest a new
> flavor of tea?
>
> You couldn't leave even one thread alone, eh? Couldn't leave even a
> simple news item alone without pouring in another flurry of your
> obsessed dementia?
>
> I was so conscientious about not including any baiting in my first
> post...it would have been so easy to add "This appearance ought to send
> the Yokotards crawling back to psychotherapy," or something similar.
> Nope, I resisted. But you crass, classless, moronic YTs started your
> feeble, self-congratulatory bashing anyway. Utterly pathetic.
Who needs to watch Jerry Springer when we have rmb.?
topaz
> > larf.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if they are making rounds of the late late
> > late night shows.
> and Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Maybe YoYo will make you laugh when she sings.
> and Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > LOL!
>
> > Maybe she'll sing "We Mah Jong, We Mah Jong."
>
> You really should talk on the phone with Topaz more. Maybe she can help
> you work through all this ever -boiling hate. Perhaps suggest a new
> flavor of tea?
>
> You couldn't leave even one thread alone, eh? Couldn't leave even a
> simple news item alone without pouring in another flurry of your
> obsessed dementia?
>
> I was so conscientious about not including any baiting in my first
> post...it would have been so easy to add "This appearance ought to send
> the Yokotards crawling back to psychotherapy," or something similar.
> Nope, I resisted. But you crass, classless, moronic YTs started your
> feeble, self-congratulatory bashing anyway. Utterly pathetic.
You were very self controlled during the first post. I do give you
credit for that. What is your favorite Yoko Ono song and why?
topaz
>
> - Show quoted text -
I wonder whom approached whom...did Yoko ask to be on his show or the
other way around? I just watched a few clips on his website and he
was not particularly funny
Fattuchus
>
> - Show quoted text -
IIRC one song he likes is Why. Why he likes it, I dunno.
AllaBest
> IIRC one song he likes is Why. Why he likes it, I dunno.
What's not to like?
Fattuchus
:-)
Fattuchus
In a sense Yoko was way ahead of her time.
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This song does sound like Sponge Bob!
Fattuchus
> be up the whole rest of the night, sky-high on adrenaline.
>
> Write your review this afternoon, so that you can post it promptly. Make
> sure to always put "music" in quotation marks, as if this constitutes
> some sort of meaningful criticism. Also, don't forget to discuss the
> subject as if singing with perfect pitch is the only criterion for
> assessing the quality of a musical piece.
OK, Guru, if a singer sings a song and they are off key, in your view,
how can that be a virtue? How do you assess the quality of a musical
piece when the singer is terribly off key or creates a song consisting
of animal noises, screeches, howls, yodels, orgasm moans, etc.?
Fattuchus
> read them and try to understand, rather than just sifting out the
> shallow, predictable "Hahahaha, i just thoght of an animal i can cumpare
> her with!!!!! :))" swipes.
Since you think many of us her are "tards" perhaps you care to spell
it out for us, oh Guru. You seem to like this song. Please explain
why it turns you on.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
Fallon is horrendous.
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
> BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Blackpoolji...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Fallon is horrendous.
>
> He really is.
>
> I don't think it was a smart move to replace Conan O'Brien with ANOTHER
> comedian whose schtick is about being nervous, twitchy and insecure.
Don Knots covered that angle on the Steve Allen Show".
Fallon, go home.
topaz
Do you think she is doing that naturally with her voice, that sort of
machine gun stuccato paced effect with her voice or is that something
as a special effect they did on the tape in the studio?
topaz
> read them and try to understand, rather than just sifting out the
> shallow, predictable "Hahahaha, i just thoght of an animal i can cumpare
> her with!!!!! :))" swipes.
Have you ever thought of going into comedy?
topaz
Maybe Yoko will improve his ratings.
topaz
> For me, it's like asking "What is your favorite Ornette Coleman song?"
>
> Other Yoko fans may feel differently, but I prefer her uglier, free-form
> material over her attempts at conventional pop songs. Of course, the YTs
> always behave as if Ono's catalog is NOTHING but the ugly stuff, but
> that's just because they have barely heard her music beyond YouTube
> clips.
What about her "uglier" free form material do you find preferable? Is
it the power of her voice? The intense emotion she is able to express?
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
Bin Laden couldn't improve his dismal show.
topaz
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bin Laden dancing like Michael Jackson and announcing he going to
reimburse all the victims of 9/11 and turning himself in to the CIA
would not improve his show either...well I can dream can't I?
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
> Bin Laden dancing �like Michael Jackson and announcing he �going to
> reimburse all the victims of 9/11 and turning himself in to the CIA
>
> - Show quoted text -
THAT, I'd watch. :-)
topaz
That almost machine gun stuccatto effect in the song that Allabest
posted, is that just her natural voice or is that a special effect do
you think on the tape?
topaz
Yes me too :)
BLACKPOOLJIMMY
> On Nov 5, 12:39�pm, topaz <topazgal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What about her "uglier" free form material do you find preferable? �Is
> > it the power of her voice? �The intense emotion she is able to express?
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSq5L0w-C5w
Borrowed from The Hokey Pokey.?
David W
news:ed8d3e50-c660-45f2...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 11:03 am, The Walrus was Danny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
wrote:
>
> has anyone watched this show? its not getting better. I cringe when
> he tries to tell a joke. No timing at all. Hope it will be better -
> need something to watch that time of nite.
>
I haven't seen Fallon's show yet but if you are looking for something at
that time of night you should try Craig Ferguson's show (and not just
because he's your namesake). It's got a lot of great bits, particularly if
you like puppets. Look on the youtube or somewhere for the interview he
just did with Billy Connolly if you want a good example of how odd his
'interviews' can be. Also Steven Wright shows up randomly sometimes which
is good.
8>/
David W
BlackMonk
"poisoned rose" <pros...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:prose1235-3C92D...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> How do you assess the quality of a musical
>> piece when the singer is terribly off key or creates a song consisting
>> of animal noises, screeches, howls, yodels, orgasm moans, etc.?
>
experiences simply cannot comprehend that "animal noises, screeches,"
etc. are the POINT of such pieces rather than being some sort of
"obstacle" which one has to get past. >
I'm going to guess that Yoko will do "I'm Going Away Smiling" again., which
doesn't have any vocals that could be called "animal noises, screeches,
howls, yodels [or] orgasm moans." If I had to compare it to anything, it
would be a torch song or someone like Jacques Brel.
There's an irony in the fact that someone who takes such pleasure in sexual
references on this newsgroup would consider "orgasm moans" a bad thing for a
vocalist to do. Complaining about "yodels" betrays a lack of familiarity
with musical history, but that's no surprise. I suspect that not many people
are familiar with Jimmie Rodgers these days. Or even Hank Williams' version
of "Lovesick Blues.
BlackMonk
> topaz <topaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is your favorite Yoko Ono song and why?
>
> Phrasing that question in this way only shows that you don't "get it."
> For me, it's like asking "What is your favorite Ornette Coleman song?"
>
> Other Yoko fans may feel differently, but I prefer her uglier, free-form
> material over her attempts at conventional pop songs. Of course, the YTs
> always behave as if Ono's catalog is NOTHING but the ugly stuff, but
> that's just because they have barely heard her music beyond YouTube
> clips.
A friend of mine doesn't like anything by her except POB, which is one of my
three favorite albums by her. The others are AIU, which I think has her
strongest songwriting, and It's Alright, which is the most interesting her
pop music got conceptually. There seems to be a musical vision behind it
that I don't always sense on her other albums.
BlackMonk
"topaz" <topaz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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She's doing it naturally.
The Walrus was Danny
> always behave as if Ono's catalog is NOTHING but the ugly stuff, but
> that's just because they have barely heard her music beyond YouTube
> clips.
Now that's utter bollocks isn't it Guru. I proudly wear my No3 badge
and own all the Apple Catalogue (UK of course) including the dreadful
singles. I've even got *two* copies of British YO/POB! I have Seasons
of Glass (which is diabolical) and bought Walking on Thin Ice on day
of release back in 81.
2 Genres of YO. 1) The shreaky shit and 2) the so called "song"
shit..both are ugly as sin. Wonder where you might catagorise *mind
train* it's really really bad. (an a shakin a shakin a shakin)
supposed to be a song but has shreaky bits too.
MDC got the wrong one...if only he'd have gotten YO. Sigh.
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
> other virtues being in play. Virtues to which you are completely blind
> and deaf.
..yeah but she just does sing *out of tune* it's not clever or
arty..it's all just *out of tune*...
> I don't know why I waste my time writing more words which have no hope
> whatsoever of getting past your "MUST HATE YOKO MUST HATE YOKO MUST HATE
> YOKO" filter.
Rather than *must* hate yoko, it's a case of *I do* hate yoko. It's
because she has no talent whatsoever and split up the Beatles. It's
not very complicated.
> How can you *possibly* not be sick of this topic? *How*???? Can you
> imagine either of us can say *one word* which hasn't been written 2000
> times before? GET THERAPY.
I'm inclined to think that YO fans (of which you are one) need bloody
lots of therapy!!
..but then again..Guru going Primal..might be quite amusing I spose..
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
> I'm going to guess that Yoko will do "I'm Going Away Smiling" again., which
> doesn't have any vocals that could be called "animal noises, screeches,
> howls, yodels [or] orgasm moans." If I had to compare it to anything, it
> would be a torch song or someone like Jacques Brel.
But Brel was a genius who wrote the likes of If you go Away...song for
old lovers...the statue..next..etc etc etc and YO is fucking crap who
wrote Fly...Mind train...run run run...etc etc etc
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
> A friend of mine doesn't like anything by her except POB, which is one of my
> three favorite albums by her. The others are AIU, which I think has her
> strongest songwriting, and It's Alright, which is the most interesting her
> pop music got conceptually. There seems to be a musical vision behind it
> that I don't always sense on her other albums.
POB = very shit
AIU = very Shit
Danny
Mack A. Damia
Don't know if you know this story, but John and Yoko were in an
automobile accident, and the doctor ordered Yoko to stay in bed.
John needed her "by his side" all of the time, so he had a bed brought
into the Abbey Rd. studios AND a microphone rigged above her head so
that he could hear her if she wanted to say anything.
The other Beatles were astounded, annoyed and antagonized by her.
--
mad
The Walrus was Danny
> > ..yeah but she just does sing *out of tune* it's not clever or
> > arty..it's all just *out of tune*...
>
> counterargue "It's not about her singing out of tune" with "But she
> sings out of tune." Is it any wonder that debate with the YTs just runs
> in the same circle over and over again?
Yes but it's not clever or arty it's just *out of tune* She obviously
strives to be in tune (with the songy type things)..she doesn't try
and be in tune with the shreaky stuff..but she does with the *I'm you
Angel* type things..and she can't do it..she's just simply...*out of
tune*.
>
> > Rather than *must* hate yoko, it's a case of *I do* hate yoko. It's
> > because she has no talent whatsoever and split up the Beatles. It's
> > not very complicated.
>
> That you delusionally insist Yoko split up the Beatles indicates your
> issues with her *are* more complicated.
Well we've been here before. She did split up the fabs..it's my
contention.
>
> > Of course, the YTs
> > > always behave as if Ono's catalog is NOTHING but the ugly stuff, but
> > > that's just because they have barely heard her music beyond YouTube
> > > clips.
>
> > Now that's utter bollocks isn't it Guru. I proudly wear my No3 badge
> > and own all the Apple Catalogue (UK of course) including the dreadful
> > singles. I've even got *two* copies of British YO/POB! I have Seasons
> > of Glass (which is diabolical) and bought Walking on Thin Ice on day
> > of release back in 81.
>
> True enough...you are the one YT who seemingly has adequate familiarity
> with her music.
So I am right! Guru issues an apology shock horror!
>
> Just remember the golden rule, Danny...inserting gutter vulgarity into
> your posts makes your arguments more convincing. Don't forget!
Yes but it makes life far more fucking.... tits cunt arse piss wank
shit..jizz foreskin smeg..more enetertitttilating...labia me
Guru..labia me. Beef Curtains.
Danny
brilton
>
> .... tits cunt arse piss wank
> shit..jizz foreskin smeg..
Have you been listening to Derek and Clive recently!?
AllaBest
> John needed her "by his side" all of the time, so he had a bed brought
> into the Abbey Rd. studios AND a microphone rigged above her head so
> that he could hear her if she wanted to say anything.
John Lennon's BEST solo music was the "Walls and Bridges" album that
was recorded when he was separated from Y*** O**.
AllaBest
> I just don't know what to say to people so fundamentally thick that they
> counterargue "It's not about her singing out of tune" with "But she
> sings out of tune." Is it any wonder that debate with the YTs just runs
> in the same circle over and over again?
And some people think you provide an opinion that worth something?
Hardly.
topaz
> bored halfway through. Yoko's doing her thing as back up. This is one
> instance where they mesh very well and her effects add a lot to the
> song (as opposed to, say, John and Yoko w/ Zappa). My opinion only of
> course.
>
> She does that staccato thing herself - though there are probably also
> some effects added.
I rread on the youtube post that Oz was the name of a underground
magazine in England; do you know what the magazine was about or its
purpose?
topaz
LOL
topaz
<addy_only_to_report_spm_no_message_sent_to_it_will_be_s...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Yes Ferguson can be very funny; there is bit on youtube where he shows
Don Rumsfeld speaking to the press at different times, and then he
adds these hands, very very funny.
topaz
>
> - Show quoted text -
For one adult to be so dependent on another adult it is tragic. I
wonder if at some point Yoko felt smothered.
topaz
>
>
>
> > Just remember the golden rule, Danny...inserting gutter vulgarity into
> > your posts makes your arguments more convincing. Don't forget!
>
> Yes but it makes life far more fucking.... tits cunt arse piss wank
> shit..jizz foreskin smeg..more enetertitttilating...labia me
> Guru..labia me. Beef Curtains.
>
> Danny
I am not into vulgar terms in my posts myself but your humor is very
funny! I like that pun "labia me"
topaz
Many would agree with you. As I recall May encouraged him to be
creative musically.
topaz
SNIP
So did you see the show? I fell asleep so I missed it.
topaz
> Don't know if she's being interviewed or not.
I will say she has lung capacity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqCpvzXGTE
above is an out take from Let It Be. I like the way Paul is trying, I
believe to get some excess feedback from his guitar being to close to
the speaker and use it for sound. Seeing this I believe we should ask
ourselves, "If Yoko was not married to a Beatle, or an ex Beatle,
would she have all the fame and fortune she has now?" I say Probably
Not.
topaz
>
> Incidentally, fear not...I didn't have any fears about you being the
> Fort Hood shooter. I've imagined you opening fire in an Apple Store, but
> not in an army base.
To even imply that anyone here could be a mass murderer is totally
uncalled for. Some people kill with their bullets, others try to
kill with their words. You try to kill people's spirits with your
words. Why not use the power of your written voice for a greater
purpose?? You can do it "Guru" if you choose to. It is your choice.
Fattuchus
> On Nov 4, 6:29 pm, Nil <redno...@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On 04 Nov 2009, Musicman59 <cwestbro...@gmail.com> wrote in
> > rec.music.beatles:
>
> > > has anyone watched this show? its not getting better. I cringe when
> > > he tries to tell a joke. No timing at all. Hope it will be better -
> > > need something to watch that time of nite.
>
> > own it's clear to me... he's very unfunny.
>
> Fallon is horrendous.
Thanks to PR, I stayed up to see the show. Never saw it before.
The opening monologue wasn't bad, but IMO Fallon just doesn't have
much comedic talent, at least not during the monologue. I can't put my
finger on it . . . I don't know if it's his persona, his timing or
what.
The Housewives skit was hilarious. I enjoyed that.
Loved seeing Ian McKellen.
Now as for Yoko and the Plastic Ono Band. (ah hem)
I enjoyed seeing Sean and I liked his guitar playing. I wish John were
here to see his son. He'd be beaming with pride.
Musically, the song (Waiting for the D Train) was certainly original
and interesting . . . but as for YO herself, closing her eyes and
smiling as she screeched, panted and made orgasm sounds.
What can I say. I guess it was a sexual experience for her. She
really comes across like a wacko. Actually, she reminds me of some
begger or homeless person that commuters see ever so often on/in NYC
subways, preaching above the noise of the train, begging, trying to
sing, etc. Commuters generally bury their heads in their newspapes or
pretend to be asleep in response to such performances.
Dale Houstman
spouting twit, aren't you?
By the way, Lama Lame-O, he DIDN'T "imply" you were a mass murderer, he
made an off-hand joke about your being a mass murderer. You may not like
that either, but it's a distinct difference. To "imply" something, one
has to present it in the context of a believably accurate statement,
which this wasn't. So when you get off your high horse, don't put your
foot in your mouth, because it might have something on it...
dmh
Dale Houstman
I wasn't overly enamored of the song or her performance either, but she
hardly appeared to be a homeless person, and the song (such as it was)
actually had a structure. Sean's playing was intense and interesting.
But - let's say you're right, and she came off like a screeching subway
bum - given the theme of the song, how can you be certain that that is
not precisely the effect she was going for and - thus - was totally
successful at?
Art isn't always pretty or easy-to-digest. I don't personally enjoy most
of what Yoko has to offer in the way of visual or musical art, but I
leave ejust nough critical headroom to accommodate the possibility I
could be missing something vital, while still preserving to myself the
right to say I simply didn't like it. It's a balancing act that most
critics of any substance try to maintain, and one which is not fatal to
emulate.
dmh
Fattuchus
I forget which bio I read it in (the Spitz book, the Emerick book???)
but she used that mike to boss the Beatles around, make unwanted
comments, etc. She also sat in that bed with a tiara on her head, in a
nightie and invited people in the studio to visit her.
Fattuchus
What I find so strange is that this is a Beatles newsgroup.
Supposedly there are many Beatles fans here, yet a number of them
think highly of Ms. Ono or, at a minimum, get upset if the "Yokotards"
criticize her. IMO the fact that she had the gall to sit in the
studio like that in a nightgown and boss the Beatles around and hold
court as if it were her home should be deemed outrageous conduct.
That's enough for true Beatles and/or Lennon fans to dislike her.
Fattuchus
I like that one a lot too. Great material. Sound much like the old/
Beatle Lennon.
Fattuchus
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't know what you mean exactly by "smothered" but I would say the
answer is "yes." Yoko admitted in an interview after John died that
when he was alive she would send him away and did not want to be with
him. IMO she treated John and thought of John as a pain in the arse.
Fattuchus
I agree YO did not appear to be a homeless person and looks quite
well, especially for someone who is 75+. Yes, the song had a
structure, but many people who sing on the subway sing songs that have
structure. I don't see that as much of an accomplishment. Certainly,
if that is all a song has to offer, that fact alone does not make it
worthy of a televised performance.
Sean's playing was intense and interesting.
Yes, it was. Actually, he left me wanting to see more. I am usually
not impressed by his singing . . . but I did enjoy his guitar playing
and would like to see/hear more.
>
> But - let's say you're right, and she came off like a screeching subway
> bum - given the theme of the song, how can you be certain that that is
> not precisely the effect she was going for and - thus - was totally
> successful at?
Oh, that is a valid point. Perhaps that is what YO was trying to
achieve. Perhaps she was trying to capture the "mood" of the subway.
However, as one who has ridden the NYC subways many times, the song
did not move me that way. To me, she came across as some nutty lady
screaming for attention, making whatever noise came into her brain at
the moment. It did not move me emotionally, other than to make me
giggle a bit and think to myself, "what crap."
>
> Art isn't always pretty or easy-to-digest. I don't personally enjoy most
> of what Yoko has to offer in the way of visual or musical art, but I
> leave ejust nough critical headroom to accommodate the possibility I
> could be missing something vital, while still preserving to myself the
> right to say I simply didn't like it. It's a balancing act that most
> critics of any substance try to maintain, and one which is not fatal to
> emulate.
>
> dmh-
Dale, everything you say above is valid and thoughtful, although I may
disagree. As you know, I generally don't like her "art" and I
generally don't like her music.
I'm no "expert" on the subject, but I've seen and listened to enough
YO music over the years to form an opinion that the audience is
usually not missing something when she performs. IMO people who spend
lots of time analysing her music as if there is some deep meaning or
purpose are usually giving her far more credit than she deserves.
Mack A. Damia
A brilliant fruitcake.
Brilliant in the sense that she managed to capture the heart of one of
the world's most talented men..
--
mad
Mack A. Damia
Love-hate, like-dislike.
I think with some it doesn't sink to that level. I think she was a
decent and talented person who was very immature and insecure. As in
most women, jealousy was a big issue with her. She was afraid the
Beatles would keep her from her John.
Partly, the folly of youth.
--
mad
Fattuchus
I know. :-(
A little while back I posted a link to a youtube movie which featured
an interview with Julian. During this interview, Julian stated that
he believes that even though Yoko might come across as innocent, she
had manipulative designs on John all along and knew what she was
doing. On his website back in 2000 or so, Julian referred to John as
"a manipulated lost soul" when he was under Yoko's influence.
Yes, Yoko captured John's heart and used him. IMO it was a one sided
relationship.
Fattuchus
I don't think she was "decent." See my remarks above.
and talented person who was very immature and insecure. As in
> most women, jealousy was a big issue with her. She was afraid the
> Beatles would keep her from her John.
>
> Partly, the folly of youth.
Funny you should say that, because in September 2005 and at other
times, Yoko gave interviews where she claimed just the opposite. She
has stated that she was a "lone wolf" and that John wanted to be with
her a lot and that she had to "learn" to be a partner.
Yoko also claimed in the NYC press back in 2005 that when John quit
the Beatles, it took her by surprise. She claimed in that interview
and/or other interviews, that when she married John she thought she
would continue with her art and he would continue with the Beatles.
Yoko also stated in that interview that John had three men to take
care of him (supposedly . . . . as if he were a mere child . . . what
a put down) and that once John quit the Beatles, now she had to take
care of him. (as if John were a burden)
The above interviews were given about the same time that the show
Lennon hit Broadway. You may recall that show received mostly bad
reviews. John was depicted as a needy, dysfunctional, anti social
child, dependent on his Yoko/mama who saved him. IMO the show
received bad reviews and bombed because most people were not
interested in seeing something which depicted John in such a poor
light. Yoko claimed that the show accurately depicted John.
who?
Moving right along.....
:-)
Jeff
Mack A. Damia
As I mentioned in earlier posts, I've seen her recently on several
occasions and was somewhat impressed with her.
She's matured a lot. Back then, she didn't know herself too well, and
her current take on what happened may be distorted,
Much of the BS was immaturity coming from a brilliant mind. That's
intellect, not affect.
--
mad
richforman
> On 04 Nov 2009, Musicman59 <cwestbro...@gmail.com> wrote in
> rec.music.beatles:
>
> > has anyone watched this show? its not getting better. I cringe when
> > he tries to tell a joke. No timing at all. Hope it will be better -
> > need something to watch that time of nite.
>
> I agree. It's dreadful. I was doubtful about the guy on SNL, but on his
> own it's clear to me... he's very unfunny.
I haven't seen his show, on way too late for me and not important
enough to DVR; but I did think he was very funny on SNL, especially
his "Morning-zoo shock-jock" character, that was really clever.
richforman
Dale Houstman
Talk show hosts don't have to be particularly funny to be successful:
Johnny Carson (despite his reputation) was so far from being the
funniest comedian in the world that I doubt if he could have flown there
under five days. Jack Parr was dry as Mom's Christmas fruitcake in July.
Dick Cavett - as far as I could see - was cringe-worthy as a comic. And
so on. What is needed is a sense of ease between the audience and the
host, a feeling that the host is "one of them" and can be the brunt of
the jokes as well as the source (Dick Cavett didn't even have that: he
seemed to think he was a superior being, although he didn't come off all
that bright, but his show has "intellectual" trappings, so his very
awkwardness in the usual show biz tropes was probably an asset). I don't
watch Fallon's show really, but from what I've seen, he appears to be
personable enough to float a late night talk show. After that it's all a
matter of getting interesting bookings: Yoko may not be my cup of gumbo,
but she's something to watch (for various and personal reasons), and so
I did.
dmh
Mack A. Damia
wrote:
>On Nov 6, 6:08�am, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think with some it doesn't sink to that level. �I think she was a
>> decent and talented person who was very immature and insecure. �As in
>> most women, jealousy was a big issue with her. �She was afraid the
>> Beatles would keep her from her John. �
>>
>> Partly, the folly of youth.
>> --
>> mad
>
>
>I think your description fits John more than Yoko.
>
>She contradicts herself on this issue in different interviews, but
>"insecure" isn't a word I associate with Yoko. Lennon, yes. Yoko has
>stated that she was extremely confident, always thought herself
>beautiful and talented, but the hate thrown at her post-John, being
>called ugly, repulsive etc. caused her to doubt herself for the first
>time and acquire a stutter among other things. (The context of her
>remarks was to illustrate the toll generalized misogyny takes on
>women: i.e. if she, who was so confident, could acquire a stutter in a
>short period of time, what must this do to your average woman, etc.)
>
>She has a more relaxed, grandmotherly aura about her now, but I don't
>think you can say her earlier behavior was caused by simple
>immaturity. To me, 35-36 (her age during 'Let It Be'), already twice
>married, isn't young - certainly not young enough to blame one's more
>stupid or bizarre behavior on "youthful folly".
But that's just the point. If you've studies psychology and
personality, those with big egos and over-confidence are masking
insecurity.
The stutter was always there but buried underneath her sound and fury.
When she was ultimately called on her behavior, her true, insecure
self became apparent.
This is why she HAD to control. John and everything else.
It fits perfectly.
--
mad
Bernie Woodham
Oh, here we go again. Fatty: "If you like Ono, then you HATE The
Beatles".
Fatty= the only TRUE American. Fatty=The only TRUE Beatles fan.
Jeff
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:43:03 -0800 (PST), PJ <palejewel...@gmail.com>
Have you studied the soft martial arts?
> mad
Mack A. Damia
>> But that's just the point. �If you've studied psychology and
>> personality, those with big egos and over-confidence are masking
>> insecurity.
>
>Have you studied the soft martial arts?
"Hey Judo, don't make it bad"?
--
mad
Jeff
Oh, it's not. I have it down. It works very well with people. :-)
Jeff
> On Nov 6, 10:35 am, PJ <palejewel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Seriously. Why is this help up as a virtue rather than something to be
>
> Meant "held up".
You held me up the other day, PJ. You! You!!! @OO
:-)
Jeff
The Walrus was Danny
> > > :-)
>
> > 134 lines quoted, to add three words and a smiley face. Thanks again,
> > Jeff! Who doesn't love to scroll?
>
> Jeff, do you use Google to post? Do you know what PR is referring to
> here?
I use Google (since outlook stopped doing rmb through Tesco.net) and I
don't experience all the scrolling when folk don't snip. I can see
Guru's point, but it's hardly a great crime these days. Kyla was
worse. My car dying is a lot worse. Yoko Ono is worse. Margaret
Thatcher was worse.
Danny