A Philisophical Question
The Walrus was Danny
possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and recreate
a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very same JPG&R?
Danny
The Arranger
wrote:
Why wouldn't they include Anti-Matter Pete Best instead? Bizzaro World
Best is the better drummer.
The Arranger
JohnBL
wrote:
I'd say it's more likely than the Cubs winning a World Series.
John L
Nutella
wrote:
I don't think it's possible, because I believe John and George's souls
have moved-on to their next mission. Something even bigger
than the greatness achieved on their worldly mission in the Orion spur
of the Milky Way.
Mack A. Damia
Deep.
Sagan (I think) said that in our infinite universe with billions of
galaxies, there are planets just like Earth but they would be at a
different stage in their evolution.
There might be a planet billions of ligh years away that is going
through a period similar to the Middle Ages or the Reformation.
Quantum theory suggests to me that the Beatles energy will never die
and may again coalesce on another very-distant planet as in the Laws
of Attraction. Yes, they will perform again.
I have tickets for their first performance.
Planet Alpha 6398.988; Star date June 4, 2768.
cuppajoe2go
> I'd say it's more likely than the Cubs winning a World Series.
LOL! That's FUNNY!!
.....now back to the deep thinkers.
microknee finger
<dannyist...@tesco.net> said:
Strangely enough, apparently there actually is a theory that would
allow for this. I learned about it from physicist Michio Kaku
somewhere... I thought it was on WNYC Radio Lab (great podcast, btw),
but for the life of me I can't find it now, and it's driving me crazy.
Anyway, as I recall, it has to do with the idea that, *if* the universe
is infinite (i.e., it doesn't curve back in on itself), if you go out
far enough eventually everything--objects, evolution, events--will
start repeating themselves out of necessity, ad infinitum. So not only
would there be other Beatles out there, but an infinite number of other
Beatles, some doing the same things our Beatles did, others doing
different things.
Again, this is all dependent on the notion that the universe is
infinite, and I'm not up on the latest prevailing theories on that
matter.
If the universe is finite, I guess it's unlikely you'll find any
doppelgangers out there, Beatle or otherwise. Unless, of course, you
expand your scope to consider the possibility of parallel universes,
which is a whole other deal.
~ Chad
microknee finger
> this seems the right time for this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U
>
> The Known Universe to Scale - it takes a while to get going, but it's
> worth it if you feel like feeling insignificant this evening.
>
> Still...Dave was worried about there not being enough space. Mmm. Not
> a problem.
Man, that is awesome! Thanks, PJ. I'd never seen that before. It makes
me want to take another astronomy class.
It would have been funny, though, and probably even a little more
mindblowing, if they had started from somewhere less awe-inspiring than
the Himalayas... like a 7-Eleven in New Jersey or something.
~ Chad
cuppajoe2go
microknee finger
Well, consider that these doppelgangers, if they exist, could have
'souls' of their own, just like identical twins.
~ Chad
abe slaney
> The Known Universe to Scale - it takes a while to get going, but it's
> worth it if you feel like feeling insignificant this evening.
Doesn't make *me* feel insignificant, but it does make my *gripes*
seem insignificant. :)
Thanks, PJ!
microknee finger
> Strangely enough, apparently there actually is a theory that would
> allow for this. I learned about it from physicist Michio Kaku
> somewhere... I thought it was on WNYC Radio Lab (great podcast, btw),
> but for the life of me I can't find it now, and it's driving me crazy.
Finally found it. This is it here:
http://blogs.wnyc.org/radiolab/2008/08/12/the-multi-universes/
I had my theoretical physicists mixed up. It wasn't Kaku, it was Brian Greene.
~ Chad
Fattuchus
I don't believe that's possible because IMO there's more to an
individual person than just molecules. Even if some molecules
reconfigured and the reconfiguration LOOKED like a copy of George or
John, it wouldn't be George or John because this being would have a
different soul.
Also, I question whether the universe is truly infinite . . . . rather
than a huge curved structure. I don't recall all details of
Einstein's theories, but I vaguely recall he thought the universe was
not infinite but had some curved shape so that if we travel straight
ahead in a seemingly straight line, we will eventually return to our
original starting point. Ever see the movie Planet of the Apes? Like
that.
Daave
> On 2009-12-30 20:00:09 -0600, The Walrus was Danny
> <dannyist...@tesco.net> said:
>
>> Given that time is infinate..and space is unbelievable hugh..is it
>> possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and
>> recreate a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very
>> same JPG&R? Danny
>
> Strangely enough, apparently there actually is a theory that would
> allow for this. I learned about it from physicist Michio Kaku
> somewhere... I thought it was on WNYC Radio Lab (great podcast, btw),
> but for the life of me I can't find it now, and it's driving me crazy.
>
> Anyway, as I recall, it has to do with the idea that, *if* the
> universe is infinite (i.e., it doesn't curve back in on itself), if
> you go out far enough eventually everything--objects, evolution,
> events--will start repeating themselves out of necessity, ad
> infinitum.
Interesting, but I'm not sure infinity means that. For instance, a
number line is infinite. No repetition there. That is, there is only one
point (each) represented by zero, 2, -2,051, pi, etc. These entities
don't repeat.
Then again, I'm not a theoretical physicist so what the hell do I know?
> So not only would there be other Beatles out there, but an
> infinite number of other Beatles, some doing the same things our
> Beatles did, others doing different things.
>
> Again, this is all dependent on the notion that the universe is
> infinite, and I'm not up on the latest prevailing theories on that
> matter.
>
> If the universe is finite, I guess it's unlikely you'll find any
> doppelgangers out there, Beatle or otherwise. Unless, of course, you
> expand your scope to consider the possibility of parallel universes,
> which is a whole other deal.
The word "world" at one time encompassed "everything physical in
reality." Later, the word "universe" took its place. But if scientists
are talking about theoretical constructs like parallel universes, this
really pisses me off! It would be nice to have a word that finally would
be analogous to "the largest set."
Then again, I'm not a theoretical physicist so what the hell do I know?
Dale Houstman
>
> Interesting, but I'm not sure infinity means that. For instance, a
> number line is infinite. No repetition there. That is, there is only one
> point (each) represented by zero, 2, -2,051, pi, etc. These entities
> don't repeat.
Yes and no. One could say those numbers repeat again and again: always
in slight different form, but made up of basically the same elements.
Beatles 1 may not be perfectly the same as Beatles 10, but that zero
might also not make all that much difference, like the difference
between 10 to the 100th power and 10 to the 100th power plus 1. Not all
difference make a difference if there are enough differences to go
around: i.e. to spread thinly across the world sheet. Paul 10 could have
buck teeth, but still write "Hey Jade" or rickets and write "Rocky Retard".
> Then again, I'm not a theoretical physicist so what the hell do I know?
Theoretical physicists have all sorts of notions: it's basically their
job: to drive the difficult work of physics forward with their
mathematical dreams, like Rudolph the Red-Shift Reindeer guiding Saint
Nick'O'Time across an event horizon to grandma's house. But...the vast
majority of those ideas will eventually break off at the crisis point
and fall by the wayside, creating a rich and musky humus for other and
more grounded axioms. There are all sorts of quantum daydreams (many
filled with vibrating strings) which "could" account for such
reiteration as discussed here, but...it appears to be vastly unlikely.
The number of atomic combinations available in each human body dwarfs
even the number of stars in the universe. The very "infinity" one trusts
in to give us another Beatles works against such a strange "reunion".
Another Celine Dion? Perhaps...But another Beatles? I think not.
But tomorrow never knows...Let it be across the universe.
dmh
microknee finger
> Interesting, but I'm not sure infinity means that. For instance, a
> number line is infinite. No repetition there. That is, there is only one
> point (each) represented by zero, 2, -2,051, pi, etc. These entities
> don't repeat.
I think Dale summed it up beautifully, but remember, too, that we are
talking about a particular variety of particles that can only interact
in a finite variety of ways.
~ Chad
RichL
>> Anyway, as I recall, it has to do with the idea that, *if* the
>> universe is infinite (i.e., it doesn't curve back in on itself), if
>> you go out far enough eventually everything--objects, evolution,
>> events--will start repeating themselves out of necessity, ad
>> infinitum.
>
> Interesting, but I'm not sure infinity means that. For instance, a
> number line is infinite. No repetition there. That is, there is only
> one point (each) represented by zero, 2, -2,051, pi, etc. These
> entities don't repeat.
>
> Then again, I'm not a theoretical physicist so what the hell do I
> know?
It's an interesting question, and it has multiple answers depending on
what assumptions you make.
If you project a finite set of objects onto an infinite universe and
require that those objects exist with a non-vanishing density, repeats
are required.
However, if you project a set of objects that is infinite onto an
infinite universe, you don't have to have replicas although you can.
The original question as posed assumes that the number of possible
beings is finite. If that were the case, you'd have infinite numbers of
other Beatles.
In reality, although the number of possible beings may be finite in
terms of genetic makeup (there being a finite number of chromosomes with
a finite number of allowed permutations), there are an infinite number
of possibilities of early-life experiences, which would largely dictate
the fates of those individuals. In other words, it's much more likely
that a randomly selected Ringo on another planet would be shining shoes
for a living rather than being a rock star.
However, we are spared thinking about all these numerous possibilities
by the *likely* reality (according to most prevalent physical theories)
that the universe is actually *finite* (consistency with the big bang
almost *requires* this).
I'll stick with the Beatles that we know, thanks :-)
-- Rich (theoretical physicist)
richforman
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2009-12-30 20:00:09 -0600, The Walrus was Danny
> worth it if you feel like feeling insignificant this evening.
>
That was pretty far out, thanks for the link. It was hard to make out
but I thought I did make out some tiny specs that resembled a Beatles
concert emanating from one of those distant galaxies, so there is
hope.
richforman
Char1ie
Each individual would have to grow up on a planet at the same point of
progression as earth in the 1950s. They would also have the same
influences, like a Buddy Holly who came before them. They would also
have to meet up with a Brian Epstien and A George Martin. Anything
else and they would not be the Beatles. In Infinity and beyond, I
suppose it is possible, but highly unlikely.
RichL
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U
>
> The Known Universe to Scale - it takes a while to get going, but it's
> worth it if you feel like feeling insignificant this evening.
>
> a problem.
Very well done!
Mack A. Damia
wrote:
>Still...Dave was worried about there not being enough space. Mmm. Not
>a problem.
They missed the planet, Mongo. Take them to the Execution Chamber.
--
Ming the Merciless
Crisstti
when reading the phrase "theoretical physicist".
Interesting thread, by the way.
Mack A. Damia
<dannyist...@tesco.net> wrote:
Here's your answer from Tony:
Big Bertha Thing outlandish
OUTLANDISH PARTICLE PERIODIC TABLE
By Tony Lance Dip.Math(Open) 19th December 2009
Update IX from http://www.tonylance.talktalk.net/structur.html
Review of Particle Physics 18th September 2008
Physics Letters B, Volume 667
Reviews Included 1980, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006,
2008.
Review from http://pdg.lbl.gov/2008/listings/contents_listings.html
M Mesons: B Baryons: L Leptons: S Summary Particle List: N Nominal
entry
X Full Experimental Particle List: C Ratio Match Checked
Review used in 1st, 3rd, last & part of 2nd columns.
Col.1 Actual Particle Mass MeV (Electron .510998902)
Col.2 Nominal Particle Mass Error MeV
(Electron Mass MeV 0.510998902 Nominal Electron Error MeV 1.0D-09)
Col.3 Particle Charge Exists (0:1:2) None, single, double.
Col.4 Particle Detail Line No.
Col.5 Polygon Edge Length in Photons
Col.6 Particle Structure Type (1-10,77,88,99)
Col.7 Particle Mass in Photons (Electron 3224486665)
Col.8 Particle Pair Mass Ratio
Col.9 Index From Above (MBL, NXS, C one from each group)
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The Walrus was Danny
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:00:09 -0800 (PST), The Walrus was Danny
>
> >Given that time is infinate..and space is unbelievable hugh..is it
> >possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and recreate
> >a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very same JPG&R?
>
> >Danny
>
> Each individual would have to grow up on a planet at the same point of
> progression as earth in the 1950s. They would also have the same
> influences, like a Buddy Holly who came before them. They would also
> have to meet up with a Brian Epstien and A George Martin. Anything
> else and they would not be the Beatles. In Infinity and beyond, I
> suppose it is possible, but highly unlikely.
Yes but if time is infinite then eventually it would happen..because
time is infinite...you might have to wait a while...and don't forget
how big space is...It's a bit..er..big.
Danny
Char1ie
<dannyist...@tesco.net> wrote:
>Yes but if time is infinite then eventually it would happen..because
>time is infinite...you might have to wait a while...and don't forget
>how big space is...It's a bit..er..big.
>
>Danny
Yeah, your're right. Odds are that ours probably aren't the real ones
anyway.
Nutella
Yes, but, if they have souls of their own, how could they then be The
Beatles? It's the Beatles four individual
souls which changed the world, not their bodies. My point being that
once a soul completes a mission here on Earth,
it moves on to another mission. I can't see their next mission playing
music again. They would reach another level of consciousness
in my belief.
globular
> Given that time is infinate..and space is unbelievable hugh..is it
> possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and recreate
> a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very same JPG&R?
>
> Danny
There's a parallel universe where Pete Best didn't leave.
There's another one where Decca signed them.
There's another where George Martin wasn't at Parophone when they went
there.
I don't like the theory of parallel realities, it doesn't really go
anywhere.
globular
> On 2009-12-30 20:00:09 -0600, The Walrus was Danny
> <dannyist...@tesco.net> said:
>
>> Given that time is infinate..and space is unbelievable hugh..is it
>> possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and recreate
>> a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very same JPG&R?
>>
>> Danny
>
> Strangely enough, apparently there actually is a theory that would allow
> for this. I learned about it from physicist Michio Kaku somewhere... I
> thought it was on WNYC Radio Lab (great podcast, btw), but for the life
> of me I can't find it now, and it's driving me crazy.
>
> Anyway, as I recall, it has to do with the idea that, *if* the universe
> is infinite (i.e., it doesn't curve back in on itself), if you go out
> far enough eventually everything--objects, evolution, events--will start
> repeating themselves out of necessity, ad infinitum. So not only would
> there be other Beatles out there, but an infinite number of other
> Beatles, some doing the same things our Beatles did, others doing
> different things.
>
> Again, this is all dependent on the notion that the universe is
> infinite, and I'm not up on the latest prevailing theories on that matter.
That sounds as if it's infinite with infinite numbers of finite systems.
Is that really the same thing?
abe slaney
> I don't like the theory of parallel realities, it doesn't really go
> anywhere.
Especially the one where the Beatles were led by Rick Astley as Joey
Heatherton and their biggest hit was "Snoopy vs. the Red Baron".
The Walrus was Danny
> Yes, but, if they have souls of their own, how could they then be The
> Beatles? It's the Beatles four individual
> souls which changed the world, not their bodies.
Oh for pity's sake. I think we need to approach this concept from a
Science perspective otherwise we'' be here for the next decade.
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
...yeah but I wasn't thinking parallel..I was thinking that if time is
infinite (ie it goes on forever) then eventually they would get back
together and do it all over again..the fact that the universe is
astoundingly large (and getting bigger I do believe) then it's
possible....might take a while though...
Danny
Dale Houstman
> Yes, but, if they have souls of their own, how could they then be The
> Beatles? It's the Beatles four individual
> souls which changed the world, not their bodies. My point being that
> once a soul completes a mission here on Earth,
> it moves on to another mission. I can't see their next mission playing
> music again. They would reach another level of consciousness
> in my belief.
That's one theory of the "soul" (one not supported by the Bible, which
does not condone such versions of reincarnation), but it's - at best - a
tenuous base upon which to approach questions of the actual universe, as
opposed to mankind's anthro-centric POV, infused as it is with dreams of
fairy dust, manifest destiny, and little godlings. In reality, the
"soul" (as it were) is the sum total of an entity's complex physical
organization and its equally complex interactions with other entities.
Once that physical organization is dissolved, that sense of self which
you call "soul" utterly disappears, never to be seen again. Since the
total of potential organizations of atoms and interactions numbers more
than the time available to exhaust those combinations, a repeat
performance is very unlikely.
dmh
Dale Houstman
I vacationed there three years ago (booked via The TransReal Travel Pod
Corporation), and it was horrible! Not a decent cup of tea anywhere, and
the steam-driven toffee dispenser was broken, so its sticky sweet wheeze
kept me awake all night.
dmh
microknee finger
Obviously you didn't bring a towel.
~ Chad
microknee finger
> Once that physical organization is dissolved, that sense of self which
> you call "soul" utterly disappears, never to be seen again.
What if that physical organization is somehow copied and reassembled
somewhere else? Like with a Star Trek transporter, or the transhuman
notion of 'uploading'. Is it the same consciousness continued, or just
a copy?
These are the types of questions that sometimes keep me up at night.
~ Chad
Dale Houstman
I tried to steal one from the hotel (The Rustling Arms), but turns out
they were living terrycloth cyborgs, fuzzy and absorbent, but also
programmed to tear out your collarbone if you attempted to leave the
room with them. I barely escaped fatal injuries when a passing vacuum
cleaner leaped to my defense. And don't even get me started on the
mini-bar! Vicious...
dmh
Dale Houstman
There have been any number of SF stories that deal with this sort of
matter transference: the ethics of total identity replication. Of
course, the "practical" answer is that the source entity MUST be
destroyed once the transfer is complete. But - of course - that's the
sticking point of the tale. Of course, since the possibility of such a
form of transference is - in any foreseeable future - highly unlikely
(although a very neat hook to hang a story upon), let's just say we
won't have to worry about the implications for a long long time, very
probably never.
My take? IF the physical transfer is indeed precisely perfect: the
"received" entity having the precise same physical organization as the
"source" entity, then the two so-called "souls" are the same thing, but
- if the two were both left to exist - they would quickly become
dis-similar, as they experienced different events. To me that was always
the answer to the supposed dilemma presented via such stories: let both
live, and their very different existences would solve the problem of
replication.
dmh
Nutella
I need to think on that one for a very long time. Then, take a drink.
LOL. I'm trying to grasp
the last sentence.
Mack A. Damia
wrote:
What do you think of Jungian psychology with its concepts of the
personal and collective unconscious?
Crisstti
I'd say it goes everywhere :).
Crisstti
> Nutella wrote:
> > Yes, but, if they have souls of their own, how could they then be The
> > Beatles? It's the Beatles four individual
> > souls which changed the world, not their bodies. My point being that
> > once a soul completes a mission here on Earth,
> > it moves on to another mission. I can't see their next mission playing
> > music again. They would reach another level of consciousness
> > in my belief.
>
> That's one theory of the "soul" (one not supported by the Bible, which
> does not condone such versions of reincarnation), but it's - at best - a
> tenuous base upon which to approach questions of the actual universe, as
> opposed to mankind's anthro-centric POV, infused as it is with dreams of
> fairy dust, manifest destiny, and little godlings. In reality, the
> "soul" (as it were) is the sum total of an entity's complex physical
> organization and its equally complex interactions with other entities.
> Once that physical organization is dissolved, that sense of self which
> you call "soul" utterly disappears, never to be seen again.
Really?, how can you be so sure?.
globular
> On 1 Jan, 05:49, globular <s...@there.invalid> wrote:
>> The Walrus was Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Given that time is infinate..and space is unbelievable hugh..is it
>>> possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and recreate
>>> a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very same JPG&R?
>>> Danny
>> There's a parallel universe where Pete Best didn't leave.
>> There's another one where Decca signed them.
>> There's another where George Martin wasn't at Parophone when they went
>> there.
>> I don't like the theory of parallel realities, it doesn't really go
>> anywhere.
>
> infinite (ie it goes on forever) then eventually they would get back
> together and do it all over again..the fact that the universe is
> astoundingly large (and getting bigger I do believe) then it's
> possible....might take a while though...
>
> Danny
Alright, I concede.
A theory that the universe repeats time in cycles for uncountable years
might apply. Deja vu all over again.
globular
Some people minds like that kind of thing.
Wherever you go, that's where you are.
Dave The Rave
<dannyisthewal...@tesco.net> wrote:
> Given that time is infinate..and space is unbelievable hugh..is it
> possible that molicules could infintisesibily reconfigure and recreate
> a new Beatles somewhere in the universe(s) with the very same JPG&R?
>
> Danny
How do we know that "our" Beatles aren't a recreation.
Dave The Rave
Mack A. Damia
Dale Houstman
If there were others, none of them would be "recreations" but merely
reiterations (all equally "original" or not)...like one sounding of an
infinitely sounding bell...all recorded separately and presented to the
ear. No way to discern "originality"...and no need to.
dmh