"Wings" Wildlife
Nutella
influenced song towards animals?
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animals.........
Fattuchus
> influenced song towards animals?
IMO it is a bit of both. The song lyrics are blatantly corny, the
singing style mimics John . . . . Paul and Linda were concerned about
animal rights issues, but I have always seen that song as a parody.
Paul makes fun of John's interest in various causes as well as his
primal scream singing.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
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Neither. It is a Paul trip to Africa-influenced song toward animals.
Crisstti
As others said already, about animals. I don't see it neccessarily as
Linda influenced though. Paul loved animals as well, on his own.
Crisstti
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The first interviewin which I've seen Paul say they are vegetarians in
in an interview he gave while recording Ram. Wildlife was recorded
the same year.
Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
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On Dec 4, 4:29 pm, Nutella <amongthebeliev...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is the song Wildlife a reference to John's lifestyle or is it a Linda
> influenced song towards animals?
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As others said already, about animals. I don't see it neccessarily as
Linda influenced though. Paul loved animals as well, on his own.
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As I already said, it is specifically based on an actual safari Paul
attended in Africa. He was driving in a vehicle at an animal park one day
and came upon a sign that said, "The Animals Have The Right Of Way". All of
this is in the lyrics of the song.
No John or Linda influence whatsoever, and not just a generic song about
animals, but a factual story based on a specific event in Paul's life.
The Walrus was Danny
> No John or Linda influence whatsoever, and not just a generic song about
> animals, but a factual story based on a specific event in Paul's life.
..but he does sing.."There's a lot of political nonesense in the air"
in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
Danny
Crisstti
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> "Crisstti" <crissttigalda...@gmail.com> wrote in message
That is just what serves as the base for the first line in the song.
It doesn't explain the rest of the lyrircs. The song is clearly an
animal rights song.
Crisstti
Oh, I think you and me have been though this before :).
I don't think the lyrics are corny, nor that the singing style mimics
John at all. I really don't think a parody of John was anywhere near
Paul's intentions and I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
ermitano
sounds weird but, as you said, Paul loved animals and Linda
Skokiaan
> in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
> full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
>
> Danny
Political doesn't automatically mean Lennon. Politics in African
nations have played a major role in whether animals are protected or
poached.
Fattuchus
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> > No John or Linda influence whatsoever, and not just a generic song about
> > animals, but a factual story based on a specific event in Paul's life.
>
> ..but he does sing.."There's a lot of political nonesense in the air"
> in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
> full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
>
> Danny
Precisely, and that is just one reason why the song is a dig at the
Lennons.
Another is Paul's singing style. Certainly not his normal style
style. No, he was mimicking John's primal scream stuff.
Fattuchus
> On Dec 5, 12:44 pm, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Dec 4, 2:29 pm, Nutella <amongthebeliev...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Is the song Wildlife a reference to John's lifestyle or is it a Linda
> > > influenced song towards animals?
>
> > IMO it is a bit of both. The song lyrics are blatantly corny, the
> > singing style mimics John . . . . Paul and Linda were concerned about
> > animal rights issues, but I have always seen that song as a parody.
> > Paul makes fun of John's interest in various causes as well as his
> > primal scream singing.
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> Oh, I think you and me have been though this before :).
> I don't think the lyrics are corny, nor that the singing style mimics
> John at all. I really don't think a parody of John was anywhere near
> Paul's intentions and I don't see anything to indicate otherwise.
Here are the lyrics:
The world "wild" applies to the words "you" and "me".
While take a walk thru an African park one day,
I saw a sign say, "The animals have the right of way".
Wild life, whatever happened to,
Wild life, the animals in the zoo?
We're breathing a lot,
a lot of political nonsense in the air.
You're making it hard for the people who live in there.
You're moving so fast, but, baby, you know not where.
Wild life, (wild life), what's gonna happen to
Wild life, (wild life), the animals in the zoo?
You'd better stop, there's animals ev'rywhere,
And man is the top, an animal too,
And, man, you just got to care.
Wild life, what's gonna happen to,
Wild life, the animals in the zoo?
You're breathing a lot of polical nonsense in the air.
Wild life, (wild life), what's gonna happen to
(what's gonna happen to) (what's gonna happen to)
Wild life, (wild life), the animals in the zoo?
(what's gonna happen to) (what's gonna happen to)
Wild life, what ever happened to?
What ever happened to?
C'mon . . . . this is childish stuff. It's not even proper English.
Paul is capable of so much more. And even the way the song is sung
and arranged, it is deliberately bad. It's a parody.
Fattuchus
FWIW here is a review:
http://www.capnmusic.org/paulmccartneypub.htm#3
Notice the comments . . . how the album sounds rushed and
incomplete. The spare sound reminds me of POB.
Crisstti
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Yeah, that line sounds like it could have been about John... but I
don't know. If it was on Ram, it would have been more clear. But in
this one, and in a song that in itself is quite political, it doesn't
make much sense. He could have been talking about politics in general.
richforman
> > ..but he does sing.."There's a lot of political nonesense in the air"
> > in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
> > full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
>
> > Danny
>
> Precisely, and that is just one reason why the song is a dig at the
> Lennons.
>
Ridiculous! Just the word "political" or even the two words
"political nonsense" doesn't automatically tie the song to Lennon in
any way. It is about an issue near and dear to Paul's heart.
> Another is Paul's singing style. Certainly not his normal style
> style. No, he was mimicking John's primal scream stuff.
Sorry, you're just way off! Paul sings that way on plenty of tracks!
Especially from that era. Take a listen to "Mumbo" from the same
album and "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" and "Monkberry Moon
Delight" from the same eraly-70's period. That voice seems like an
affectation he used when he wanted to give a song a raw, rough,
primitive, wild, dangerous, hard-rocking vibe. Came off kind of silly
IMO but it had nothing to do with mimicking Lennon.
richforman
Fattuchus
> On Dec 6, 6:26 pm, The Walrus was Danny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
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> > > No John or Linda influence whatsoever, and not just a generic song about
> > > animals, but a factual story based on a specific event in Paul's life.
>
> > ..but he does sing.."There's a lot of political nonesense in the air"
> > in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
> > full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
>
> > Danny
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> Yeah, that line sounds like it could have been about John... but I
> don't know. If it was on Ram, it would have been more clear.
Here is another point: Paul released RAM, John was offended by some
things on RAM, then John issued his LP Imagine which included How Do
You Sleep. IIRC, then came Wings Wild Life.
IMO they were using their albums to have a very public flame war.
Fattuchus
> On Dec 9, 4:29 pm, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > ..but he does sing.."There's a lot of political nonesense in the air"
> > > in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
> > > full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
>
> > > Danny
>
> > Precisely, and that is just one reason why the song is a dig at the
> > Lennons.
>
> Ridiculous! Just the word "political" or even the two words
> "political nonsense" doesn't automatically tie the song to Lennon in
> any way. It is about an issue near and dear to Paul's heart.
>
> > Another is Paul's singing style. Certainly not his normal style
> > style. No, he was mimicking John's primal scream stuff.
>
> Sorry, you're just way off! Paul sings that way on plenty of tracks!
> Especially from that era. Take a listen to "Mumbo" from the same
> album and "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" and "Monkberry Moon
> Delight" from the same eraly-70's period. That voice seems like an
> affectation he used when he wanted to give a song a raw, rough,
> primitive, wild, dangerous, hard-rocking vibe. Came off kind of silly
> IMO but it had nothing to do with mimicking Lennon.
>
> richforman
I'm no musician, but when Paul sings the words "wild life" at times he
sounds very much like John's primal scream/straining on POB. It's
similar to Well Well Well.
Plus look at the lyrics to the song Wild LIfe . . . . they're bad.
Paul is so much more talented than that. I believe the lyrics are a
parody.
richforman
Seems to me you don't get Paul and his music at all.
richforman
richforman
Tush have you heard the whole "Wild Life" album? Paul was in a kind
of "minimalist" period, both musically and lyrically. The whole album
was purposefully done very quickly and was intentionally raw,
unpolished, unsophisticated, almost childishly simple. Read the liner
notes and other sources about the time and circumstances of recording
the album. That's what he was going for - not a "parody" and it had
nothing to do with John. Actually it's kind of simlar/parallel in
some ways, I think, to what John was going through musically on POB,
both were interested in that minimalist, direct, raw rock'n'roll
effect. But it didn't purposely refer to, or "parody" John. You're
just making that up.
richforman
RichL
> On Dec 6, 4:26 pm, The Walrus was Danny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>>> No John or Linda influence whatsoever, and not just a generic song
>>> about animals, but a factual story based on a specific event in
>>> Paul's life.
>>
>> ..but he does sing.."There's a lot of political nonesense in the air"
>> in 1972..when JL and YO were releasing STINYC which is chocker block
>> full of political nonesense..it can't have gone missed.
>>
>> Danny
>
>
> Precisely, and that is just one reason why the song is a dig at the
> Lennons.
Do you think that in 1972, Paul McCartney's world revolved around John
Lennon?
Read Skokiaan's post. It makes a lot of sense.
RichL
Of course you would. Any excuse to take yet another "a dig at the
Lennons."
Crisstti
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But their public flame war was not eternal. I doubt it went past
Imagine. If there's anything that Paul intended towards John in Wild
Life it'd be Dear Friend.
Crisstti
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Yeah, they were, as often, in a similar place. Could have been in a
band together :).
Fattuchus
True.
The whole album
> was purposefully done very quickly and was intentionally raw,
> unpolished, unsophisticated, almost childishly simple. Read the liner
> notes and other sources about the time and circumstances of recording
> the album. That's what he was going for - not a "parody"
Hmmm. I wonder why Paul was "going for" that style. It was very
unlike Paul. Perhaps he was answering critics who thought Ram was
over produced.
and it had
> nothing to do with John. Actually it's kind of simlar/parallel in
> some ways, I think, to what John was going through musically on POB,
Well, yes, I see the parallel, too. That's one of my points, though.
> both were interested in that minimalist, direct, raw rock'n'roll
> effect. But it didn't purposely refer to, or "parody" John. You're
> just making that up.
>
> richforman
I'm not saying that the whole album Wild Life was a Lennon parody.
But IMO the song Wild Life sounds like a Lennon parody when one
considers his singing style, the (deliberately) bad lyrics and the
fact that the song Wild Life is a social protest song.
Plus the album closes with Dear Friend . . . . would you agree that is
addressed to John? So John was on Paul's mind during this album, no?
Fattuchus
What is Paul saying in that song?
Paul sings, "Are you afraid . . .or is it true?"
What's he singing about?
Skokiaan
> Imagine. �If there's anything that Paul intended towards John in Wild
> Life it'd be Dear Friend.
Correct. "Dear Friend" is indeed about Lennon.
Here are the songs Lennon/McCartney wrote about each other, hopefully
in order (which doesn't mean each song was a reaction to the
previous).
John - God (POB). Not an attack, but a declaration of independence.
John - I Found Out (POB). Not really an attack, but he mentions Paul
by name.
Paul - Too Many People (Ram) - About Apple in general and John in
particular.
Paul - Dear Boy (Ram)
John - Crippled Inside (Imagine) - Pretty viscious.
John - How Do You Sleep? (Imagine) - REALLY viscious.
Paul - Dear Friend (Wildlife) - A plea to John.
Paul - Let Me Roll It (BOTR) - Lyrics have nothing to do with John,
but stylistically the song is much like Cold Turkey.
John - Steel and Glass (W&B) - John said he started writing about
Paul, then Allen Klein, but ultimately the song was about himself.
Paul - Here Today (ToW)
Paul - The Songs We Were Singing (FP)
Paul - Flaming Pie (FP) - not about John, but the man on the flaming
pie was John's story.
Songs George & Ringo wrote about the Beatles:
George:
Wah Wah - About Paul
Apple Scruffs - About Beatles fans
Living in the Material World - mentions them all by name
Sue Me, Sue You Blues - about the breakup
See Yourself - supposedly about Paul, written circa 1966
All Those Years Ago
When We Was Fab
Ringo:
Early 1970
I'm the Greatest - written by John about Ringo
Never Without You - about George
Liverpool 8
Crisstti
But that goes completely against your theory. He was talking about an
issue he actually cared about. He still does. Why on earth would he
deliberately write bad lyrics and use it as a parody?, Use an issue
that he really cared about that way? (and I insist, the lyrics are not
bad).
> Plus the album closes with Dear Friend . . . . would you agree that is
> addressed to John? So John was on Paul's mind during this album, no?
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Exactly! It's not like the whole album revolves around him (JL).
richforman
Crisstti
I think he actually said something like that.
Of course, he decided to to the album that way - first takes, in a
week or two - because of Bob Dylan.
>
> and it had
>
> > nothing to do with John. Actually it's kind of simlar/parallel in
> > some ways, I think, to what John was going through musically on POB,
>
> Well, yes, I see the parallel, too. That's one of my points, though.
>
> > both were interested in that minimalist, direct, raw rock'n'roll
> > effect. But it didn't purposely refer to, or "parody" John. You're
> > just making that up.
>
> > richforman
>
> I'm not saying that the whole album Wild Life was a Lennon parody.
> But IMO the song Wild Life sounds like a Lennon parody when one
> considers his singing style, the (deliberately) bad lyrics and the
> fact that the song Wild Life is a social protest song.
>
Rich already said his singing is not that particular. And the fact
that the song is (in part) a social protest song goes completely
against your argument, because why would Paul want to use an issue
that he actualle cared (and cares) about like that, to use it as a
parody?. Doesn't make sense.
And the lyrics are good.
> Plus the album closes with Dear Friend . . . . would you agree that is
> addressed to John? So John was on Paul's mind during this album, no?
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Crisstti
I think I've read that Dear Friend was written during the Ram period
(not that that period and the Wild Life one are very far).
Anyway, I'm not sure the song is about John. Many of the lyrics would
seem to indicate that, but then he says "I'm in love with a friend of
mine".
About the sentence you ask about, I'd say about the break up of the
band, but who knows.
Fattuchus
> On Dec 10, 2:03 am, Crisstti <crissttigalda...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
> > But their public flame war was not eternal. I doubt it went past
> > Imagine. If there's anything that Paul intended towards John in Wild
> > Life it'd be Dear Friend.
>
> Correct. "Dear Friend" is indeed about Lennon.
>
> Here are the songs Lennon/McCartney wrote about each other, hopefully
> in order (which doesn't mean each song was a reaction to the
> previous).
>
> John - God (POB). Not an attack, but a declaration of independence.
> John - I Found Out (POB). Not really an attack, but he mentions Paul
> by name.
>
> Paul - Too Many People (Ram) - About Apple in general and John in
> particular.
> Paul - Dear Boy (Ram)
>
> John - Crippled Inside (Imagine) - Pretty viscious.
I did not think Crippled Inside was about Paul. What makes you say
that?
Fattuchus
IMO at that point Paul is talking about two different people: the
song is mostly a message to John, and as part of that message Paul is
telling him, "I'm in love with a friend of mine. Her name is Linda."
Somewhere in the song there is a line about "really truly young and
newlywed."
He is telling John, "I'm a newlywed in love with Linda. You have to
understand that."
Frank from Deeeetroit
> Is the song Wildlife a reference to John's lifestyle or is it a Linda
> influenced song towards animals?
>
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Paul's vocals and the drumming sound like "Lennonesque" to my ears.
The line "You're breathing a lot of political nonsense in the air" can
certainly be directed towards John.
Fattuchus
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> > Is the song Wildlife a reference to John's lifestyle or is it a Linda
> > influenced song towards animals?
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> Paul's vocals and the drumming sound like "Lennonesque" to my ears.
>
> The line "You're breathing a lot of political nonsense in the air" can
> certainly be directed towards John.
Yes, that's the way I see it too.
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Skokiaan
>
> > John - Crippled Inside (Imagine) - Pretty viscious.
>
> I did not think Crippled Inside was about Paul. � What makes you say
> that?
Lennon mentioned it in an interview, don't know the date but I think
it was late 70s/80. I think I heard it somewhere in the Lost Lennon
Tapes but I'm not sure.
Skokiaan
>
> The line "You're breathing a lot of political nonsense in the air" can
> certainly be directed towards John.
It "could," but then it wouldn't make any sense within the context of
the song, which clearly is about a safari Paul went on and not John.
richforman
> On Dec 10, 5:45 pm, Frank from Deeeetroit <dadurwe...@voyager.net>
> wrote:
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> > Paul's vocals and the drumming sound like "Lennonesque" to my ears.
>
> > The line "You're breathing a lot of political nonsense in the air" can
> > certainly be directed towards John.
>
> It "could," but then it wouldn't make any sense within the context of
> the song, which clearly is about a safari Paul went on and not John.
>
How much more simply and clearly can we explain it?
richfrman
Crisstti
The song is not really about a safari.
In any case, the fact that the song is about animal rights (in part at
least) makes it impossible for it to be a spoof.
Tom1
I have heard a live version of this which is just amazing and
dramatic. The musical phrasing and phrasing that Paul renders gives
the song even more depth and meaning.