Some 2005 listening thoughts
GoPack!!
It's not for everyone in here since it contains a 50/50 mix of death/clean
vox. The death vox are very well done, and for me they fit quite well into
the songs. This is melodic death metal, and it's my favorite disc ever from
this genre. It is extremely catchy, and it's one of those discs that the
death vocal dislikers might tolerate well because the clean parts are so
catchy, and the singer is very good. I've been waiting and waiting to buy
this disc, but I can only find it thru Amazon, and they want $42.50 for it.
9.5 *'s out of 10
Bruce Dickinson -- Tyranny Of Souls -- This is Bruce's new one, and it's
quite solid overall. I like Bruce's last three solo discs better than
anything Maiden has done since Somewhere In Time. This one ranks a small
notch or so below Accident Of Birth, and The Chemical Wedding, but it's
quite good. If you like Maiden or Bruce's last couple solo's I'm about 99%
sure you will like this. 8 of 10
Communic -- Conspiracy In Mind -- I think I mentioned these guys before, and
I may have called them Nevemore clones. Well, that is partially correct
probably, but I have really come to accept this disc for what it is .... a
very strong debut disc from a band who has some Nevermore influence. The
only negative with this disc is that the songs are a minute or two too long,
and there are only 7 tracks present. Each song is around 7 or so minutes
long. One or two more songs, and a minute or two less per song and this
disc would be a lot more enjoyable. The singer is good, but has a style a
lot like Warrell Dane. 7 of 10
Circus Maximus -- The First Chapter -- Excellent new progressive metal band
who will be playing Prog Power this year in Atlanta. They borrow some from
all the heavy hitters such as Ayreon, Symphony X, and Dream Theater, but
overall it's an enjoyable product. The singer is very good, and the songs
are very well written and in general pretty catchy. They do go a little
wanky now and again, but that's to be expected when treading in prog waters.
Excellent debut, and big things will be expected from these folks in the
years to come. 8.5 of 10
Biomechanical -- The Empires Of The Worlds -- This is their brand new one,
and it's just flat out insane stuff. That's not necessarily a good thing
though. The energy level is very high, and they are quite talented, but
they mix too many styles all at once and it comes off as noisy and hard to
follow at times. John K. formerly of Balance Of Power (Heathen Machine)
handles the vocals for this band and he is extemely talented. He'll remind
of Geoff Tate in parts, but mainly think Phil Anselmo, and Rob Halford.
This band is like a wacky mix of Pantera, and Judas Priest on roids or
something. It's got it's moments, but it's also a little overwhelming at
times. I'm still trying to figure out whether I like it or not. Right now
I'm mixed. 6 of 10
Beyond Twilight -- Section X -- Progressive metal band that is pretty
interesting. They like to intermix soundbites here and there, and it seems
to fit pretty well. 7 full songs and an intro on this disc. Each song is up
around the 7 minute mark, so there is some noodling here and there, but
overall the songs are pretty strong, and I find myself wanting to spin this
one pretty frequently. I think this is the 2nd effort from this band, and
they had one big component to replace between discs, and his name was Jorn
Lande. Well, they replaced him well with a singer that is somewhat similar
in sound here and there. In fact I prefer this singer more than Jorn these
days anyway, so in my opinion Jorn is not missed here. Interesting listen
!! 7.5 of 10
Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster -- Similar to the past couple discs, but for me
it's notch or two below. Overall I'm dissapointed, but it could be that
I've just tired a bit of Brainstorm. The songs just don't seem as memorable
as the past few discs, but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of blah. 6.5
of 10
Circle II Circle -- The Middle Of Nowhere -- I have very similar feelings
about the debut and this new one. They both contain some really good track,
but they also have their share of boring tunes. It's a hit and miss
product, although Zack Stevens is always a pretty enjoyable listen. 7 of 10
Freak Kitchen -- Organic -- Their brand new one, and I've only had a chance
to listen two or three times, but my initial impression is one of
dissapointment. The first half of the disc seems much stronger to me than
the second half. The lyrics are a bit of a dissapoitment on some tunes
compared to past efforts. "Move" was about 10 times better than this one.
Some songs are boring as all hell too, and that's a suprising thing because
this band is usually pretty interesting. Oh well, maybe it will grow some.
5 of 10
Imagika -- Devils On Both Sides -- Wow, I'm suprised by this one. American
power metal is alive. I find it a very enjoyable power metal disc, with a
good amount of variety. I wish I would have payed a bit more attention to
these guys live at PowerFest in Chicago. I only 1/2 payed attention,
although I did seem to like what I was hearing. The singer (Norman,
Savascream), does a very nice job, and has some decent range. He changes it
up and employs different voices here and there and makes things interesting.
Every song on here is at least decent, and a lot of the cuts are quite
excellent. I'd highly recommend it. 8.5 of 10
Here's some really quick thoughts on some things I haven't listened to
enough to go into too much detail.
Shadow Gallery - Room V - It's got it's moments, but contains way too many
ballady moments. I love this band for the most part, but I honestly have
had a hard time getting thru this one. It's basically a continuation of the
excellent Tyranny, but it seems to pale in comparrison, and comes off as
dull.
Sentenced - The Funeral Album - This album is cold like all of their latest
ones, and overall is boring to my ears. I just don't find them memorable
overall.
Pantommind - Shade Of Fate - Prog metal from the Sensory label that has
produced some decent stuff like Zero Hour, Redemption, and Riverside. This
strong in parts ... mainly on the heavier tracks, but I become a bit bored
from time to time with the more ballady stuff. It's hit and miss.
Cloudcape - S/T - a pretty darn good disc that I owe some spins too. I keep
forgetting to spin it at work. It reminds me of Last Tribe. If anyone
liked their stuff, you'll probably like this. It's solid melodic metal.
My top 5 of 2005 (so far)
#1 Scar Symmetry - Symmetric In Design
#2 Kreator - Enemy Of God
#3 Imagika - Devils On Both Sides
#4 Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
#5 Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny Of Souls
PS - Greg, I'm expecting you to comment on these. I know we share some of
the same tastes, and I'm sure you have listened to a lot of these. I;d
really like to hear your opinions on these titles I've mentioned. Anyone
else is welcomed to respond as well !!
GoPack!!
"GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message news:25Xbe.2518
>
> My top 5 of 2005 (so far)
> #1 Scar Symmetry - Symmetric In Design
> #2 Kreator - Enemy Of God
> #3 Imagika - Devils On Both Sides
> #4 Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
> #5 Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny Of Souls
>
>>>>>
Oops !! I forgot to put Kamelot - The Black Halo in my top 5. They should
be at #3. Move the others down a notch.
Britt
Brent Wiescamp
> Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design -- My favorite disc of the year so
far.
> It's not for everyone in here since it contains a 50/50 mix of death/clean
> vox.
That'd prolly kill it for me although I am getting more into it than I ever
thought I would -- like Orphaned Land.
> Bruce Dickinson -- Tyranny Of Souls --
I tried a couple of his and they just don't do it for me. Maiden never did a
whole lot for me either.
> Circus Maximus -- The First Chapter -- Excellent debut, and big things
will
> be expected from these folks in the years to come. 8.5 of 10.
Wow! I was planning on getting this as soon as it came out anyway. Sounds
like it won't be such a blind buy.
>
> Biomechanical -- The Empires Of The Worlds --
> I'm still trying to figure out whether I like it or not. Right now
> I'm mixed. 6 of 10
>
> Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster --
>The songs just don't seem as memorable
> as the past few discs, but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of blah.
6.5
> of 10
Both of these were next on the to buy list. Now I'll move them down a few
slots I guess.
<snipped, read>
Thanks man. I always get some ideas on what to check out from your lists. It
sure makes it a lot easier to sift through what's available and find some
that would have been overlooked.
Greg in NJ
<pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design
I didn't realize this was so hard to get. Truth be told, I glossed
over this one. Not sure if I even listened to it all the way through.
But given how strongly you feel about it, I'll most certainly be
revisiting it... soon.
>Bruce Dickinson -- Tyranny Of Souls
This was actually the first Dickinson release I ever got around to
really listening to. I really like it. I have "Chemical", that I
believe Roxx gave me, and I have the MP3s for "Accident". Both are in
my heavy rotation's future.
>Communic -- Conspiracy In Mind
I've yet to see anyone comment on this band without mentioning
"Nevermore". If they're not clones, they're a little too close for my
tastes. I may revisit this one from time to time. But as of now, it
doesn't appeal to me.
>Circus Maximus -- The First Chapter
I was real psyched to hear this. But I've yet to make any time for
it. After one listen, I'll probably buy it, but I'm not sure if it's
Top 10 material, in what is shaping up to be a superb year.
>Biomechanical -- The Empires Of The Worlds -- This is their brand new one,
>and it's just flat out insane stuff. That's not necessarily a good thing
>though. The energy level is very high, and they are quite talented, but
>they mix too many styles all at once and it comes off as noisy and hard to
>follow at times.
Your description, "it comes off as noisy and hard to follow at times"
is dead on. I got half way through it, and couldn't really follow it.
I was disappointed. I think the world of the work John K. did with
BoP. You can't even tell the guy can sing when you listen to this.
I'll definitely revisit it, as it sounds like the type of disc that
would need a few spins to sink in.
>Beyond Twilight -- Section X
I have the one with Jorn on it. Don't think I've ever listened to the
whole thing all the way through. I have to say, given that you
thought it was average, I don't think I'm real fired up to hear it.
>Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster
These guys do what they do. They're just not a great band. They need
a new guitar player. I like them in small doses, though I would drive
great distances to see them live again.
>Circle II Circle -- The Middle Of Nowhere
I liked the first four songs on the debut, and the rest of the CD was
somewhat horrible. I've had this on my iPod for about a month, and
haven't played it once. What does that tell you?
>Freak Kitchen -- Organic
Yet another CD I haven't gotten around to. I'm saddened to see that
you think they missed the mark on this one. Since you and I are very
often in synch, I'm guessing I'll feel similarly.
>Imagika -- Devils On Both Sides
Cough, cough (hook me up).
>Shadow Gallery - Room V
I don't even like their stronger CDs, so I'm going to pass on this
completely.
>Sentenced - The Funeral Album
I loved "Crimson". But the CD that followed it was terrible. I'm not
all that psyched to hear this, but I imagine I'll get around to it at
some point.
>Pantommind - Shade Of Fate
Wow. There's just too much music to listen to. Yet another release
growing stale on my iPod.
>Cloudcape - S/T
Not a Last Tribe fan. And with a less than glowing recommendation
from you, I think I'll pass.
>My top 5 of 2005 (so far)
>#1 Scar Symmetry - Symmetric In Design
>#2 Kreator - Enemy Of God
>#3 Imagika - Devils On Both Sides
>#4 Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
>#5 Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny Of Souls
Wow! Our Top 5s look pretty different, which is pretty unusual. In
no particular order:
Primordial - The Gathering Wilderness - here's a link to a review I
wrote:
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188468
November's Doom - The Pale Haunt Departure - here's a link to a great
review that Ali wrote (which two of the guys from ND commented on):
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187879
Kamelot - The Black Halo
Seemless - Seemless - think Soundgarden, with an updated sound.
Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny of Souls
Britt, I really think you'd dig the November's Doom. It's in the same
vein as newer Opeth, without being a rip off. The singer's Death and
clean vox are both very well done. Strange that this band is from the
U.S. It's good to see we can do this shit as well as the Swedes. As
for the Primordial, that's definitely a CD to listen to with
headphones and lyric sheet in hand. I played "The Coffin Ships" for
Paula, and she was blown away. If you just want to sample this CD,
check out the first two tracks, and the aforementioned "The Coffin
Ships".
>PS - Greg, I'm expecting you to comment on these. I know we share some of
>the same tastes, and I'm sure you have listened to a lot of these. I;d
>really like to hear your opinions on these titles I've mentioned.
Ironically, I saw this post via Google, while at work. I sent myself
an e-mail, to respond to your post, but haven't had a chance to log
onto my PC all week.
Greg in NJ
GoPack!!
"Greg in NJ" <gen...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:34:54 GMT, "GoPack!!"
> <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design
>
> I didn't realize this was so hard to get. Truth be told, I glossed
> over this one. Not sure if I even listened to it all the way through.
> But given how strongly you feel about it, I'll most certainly be
> revisiting it... soon.
> >>>>
It's like Soilwork some, but contains death growls instead of shrieks. I
much prefer growls to shrieks if you know what I mean. I like Scar Symmetry
a lot better than Soilwork though. Give it a couple listens and see if
doesn't appeal to you.
>>Communic -- Conspiracy In Mind
>
> I've yet to see anyone comment on this band without mentioning
> "Nevermore". If they're not clones, they're a little too close for my
> tastes. I may revisit this one from time to time. But as of now, it
> doesn't appeal to me.
> >>>
I think the majority of the Nevermore comparrisons are in the vocals. The
singer seems to almost mimic Warrell's delivery and style. Some of the
music also sounds like Nevermorem but these guys are not near as energetic.
My first reaction was to call this band a clone, but as time went on I found
myself still listening to the disc, and in turn I think they have their own
identity.
>>Circus Maximus -- The First Chapter
>
> I was real psyched to hear this. But I've yet to make any time for
> it. After one listen, I'll probably buy it, but I'm not sure if it's
> Top 10 material, in what is shaping up to be a superb year.
> >>>
Overall I find myself a bit dissapointed in 2005. We're a third of the way
done with the year, and I've got only 7 or 8 discs that I think are Top 25
worthy.
>>Biomechanical -- The Empires Of The Worlds -- This is their brand new
>>one,
>>and it's just flat out insane stuff. That's not necessarily a good thing
>>though. The energy level is very high, and they are quite talented, but
>>they mix too many styles all at once and it comes off as noisy and hard to
>>follow at times.
>
>>Beyond Twilight -- Section X
>
> I have the one with Jorn on it. Don't think I've ever listened to the
> whole thing all the way through. I have to say, given that you
> thought it was average, I don't think I'm real fired up to hear it.
> >>>>
It's unique though. If you are ever in the mood to hear something a little
odd give it a spin. I enjoy the disc actually.
>>Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster
>
> These guys do what they do. They're just not a great band. They need
> a new guitar player. I like them in small doses, though I would drive
> great distances to see them live again.
> >>>
This time out I just find the disc more bland that usual. The strong cuts
just don't seem to be in abundance on this one.
>>Circle II Circle -- The Middle Of Nowhere
>
> I liked the first four songs on the debut, and the rest of the CD was
> somewhat horrible. I've had this on my iPod for about a month, and
> haven't played it once. What does that tell you?
> >>>
It's a bore.
>>Freak Kitchen -- Organic
>
> Yet another CD I haven't gotten around to. I'm saddened to see that
> you think they missed the mark on this one. Since you and I are very
> often in synch, I'm guessing I'll feel similarly.
> >>>
The first tune - Speak When Spoken To - is the best. The first half is
okay, the second half gets really wimpy in parts, and is not very
interesting overall.
>>Imagika -- Devils On Both Sides
>
> Cough, cough (hook me up).
>>>>
It's been done. I did so a couple days ago.
I saw November's Doom play live about two years ago. I was too blitzed to
pay a lot of attention though. They played with Ion Vein and Trouble just
outside of Chicago. All three bands are from that area.
I'll check them and Primordial out.
>>PS - Greg, I'm expecting you to comment on these. I know we share some of
>>the same tastes, and I'm sure you have listened to a lot of these. I;d
>>really like to hear your opinions on these titles I've mentioned.
>
> Ironically, I saw this post via Google, while at work. I sent myself
> an e-mail, to respond to your post, but haven't had a chance to log
> onto my PC all week.
>
> Greg in NJ>>>>
Cool, thanks for responding. I knew that you would be the only one around
these parts that would have listened to much of the stuff I listed.
Britt
GoPack!!
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> "GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
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>> Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design -- My favorite disc of the year so
> far.
>> It's not for everyone in here since it contains a 50/50 mix of
>> death/clean
>> vox.
>
> That'd prolly kill it for me although I am getting more into it than I
> ever
> thought I would -- like Orphaned Land.
> >>>>
I'm guessing you might enjoy Scar Symmetry. Send me and email with your
home addy (had to reinstall software - lost peoples addys), and I'll make
you an mp3 disc or two. Did someone hook you up with Conception stuff yet?
I can do so if it hasn't been done already. Make a list of some stuff you
think sounds interesting. I've also got the new Pagan's Mind as well, and
it's pretty promising, although I haven't had a real great chance to really
listen to it yet.
>> Bruce Dickinson -- Tyranny Of Souls --
>
> I tried a couple of his and they just don't do it for me. Maiden never did
> a
> whole lot for me either.
>>>>
Really, I think Maiden is like my 3rd favoite band ever.
I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
#1 Queensryche
#2 Megadeth
#3 Iron Maiden
#4 King Diamond
#5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then it
really drops off.
>> Circus Maximus -- The First Chapter -- Excellent debut, and big things
> will
>> be expected from these folks in the years to come. 8.5 of 10.
>
> Wow! I was planning on getting this as soon as it came out anyway. Sounds
> like it won't be such a blind buy.
>
I think the CM disc is pretty darn solid. This band should have a bright
future.
>> Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster --
>>The songs just don't seem as memorable
>> as the past few discs, but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of blah.
> 6.5
>> of 10
>
> Both of these were next on the to buy list. Now I'll move them down a few
> slots I guess.
> >>>>
The new Brainstorm isn't bad, it's just not capturing me like the past
couple. Hell, you might really get right into it if you liked those past
couple. Some people have called it their best yet.
> <snipped, read>
>
> Thanks man. I always get some ideas on what to check out from your lists.
> It
> sure makes it a lot easier to sift through what's available and find some
> that would have been overlooked.
>
>>>>
Send me that addy and a list of what you want and I'll send it out your way.
Brent Wiescamp
>
> "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
did
> > a whole lot for me either.
> >>>>
>
> Really, I think Maiden is like my 3rd favoite band ever.
>
I don't know why not -- they just never did much for me.
> I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
>
> #1 Queensryche
> #2 Megadeth
> #3 Iron Maiden
> #4 King Diamond
> #5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then it
> really drops off.
>
Hmmmm. I'm prolly too old school.
1. Queensryche
2. Zep
3. Blue Oyster Cult
4. Clapton
5. Kiss and/or Alice Cooper
After that it gets hazy. There's moments of AIC, Soundgarden, and Pearl Jam
that I like but only a few songs of each have stood the test of time. Dio in
all his incarnations (Sabbath, Rainbow, solo) ranks pretty high. Old
Metallica ranks pretty high. The newer bands I like have a few years to go
before they could make a notch in the all time list. Is it just me or do
newer bands fade sooner?
Greg in NJ
<pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>It's like Soilwork some, but contains death growls instead of shrieks. I
>much prefer growls to shrieks if you know what I mean. I like Scar Symmetry
>a lot better than Soilwork though. Give it a couple listens and see if
>doesn't appeal to you.
Listened to it yesterday. Not bad. In the clean parts I hear a bit
of Swano in the guys voice. In the Death parts he reminds me of the
guy from Mercenary. I'll have to spin it a few more times to see how
much it grows on me.
I actually really like the new Soilwork. I just saw them, for the
third time, and they slayed. The first time I saw them, they were
lame. The second time, average. This time around, they were
excellent.
>I think the majority of the Nevermore comparrisons are in the vocals. The
>singer seems to almost mimic Warrell's delivery and style. Some of the
>music also sounds like Nevermorem but these guys are not near as energetic.
>My first reaction was to call this band a clone, but as time went on I found
>myself still listening to the disc, and in turn I think they have their own
>identity.
Definitely the vocals. But the first track, for instance, sounds like
it could have been a leftover from POE.
>Overall I find myself a bit dissapointed in 2005. We're a third of the way
>done with the year, and I've got only 7 or 8 discs that I think are Top 25
>worthy.
Really? So far I think it's a solid year.
>>>Imagika -- Devils On Both Sides
>>
>> Cough, cough (hook me up).
>>>>>
>
>It's been done. I did so a couple days ago.
Oh, cool. Thanks.
>I saw November's Doom play live about two years ago. I was too blitzed to
>pay a lot of attention though. They played with Ion Vein and Trouble just
>outside of Chicago. All three bands are from that area.
>
>I'll check them and Primordial out.
I think you'll be all over "The Pale Haunt Departure". The Primordial
might take a while.
>Cool, thanks for responding. I knew that you would be the only one around
>these parts that would have listened to much of the stuff I listed.
I thought Roxx was finally starting to get into Death Metal?
Greg in NJ
GoPack!!
I take it you have seen the "cowbell skit" from saturday night live, right?
If not it's a funny one pertaining to Blue Oyster Cult, and the cowbell in
Don't Fear The Reaper. Here's the link. Here is also a link to the worst
sports cast known to man.
Britt
SNL skit ---- http://www.geekspeakweekly.com/cowbell/
Worst sports cast "Boom Goes The Dynatime ----
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/sportsnews.html
Wishmaster
reply to a few of these anyway. :)
GoPack!! wrote:
>
> Circus Maximus -- The First Chapter -- Excellent new progressive
metal band
> who will be playing Prog Power this year in Atlanta. They borrow
some from
> all the heavy hitters such as Ayreon, Symphony X, and Dream Theater,
but
> overall it's an enjoyable product. The singer is very good, and the
songs
> are very well written and in general pretty catchy. They do go a
little
> wanky now and again, but that's to be expected when treading in prog
waters.
> Excellent debut, and big things will be expected from these folks in
the
> years to come. 8.5 of 10
I really like these guys. To me they first sounded like a cool blend of
DT, SymX and BoP-style AOR. There are some definite DT moments, but
overall it's a great debut. I'm looking forward to seeing them in
September.
> Biomechanical -- The Empires Of The Worlds -- This is their brand
new one,
> and it's just flat out insane stuff. That's not necessarily a good
thing
> though. The energy level is very high, and they are quite talented,
but
> they mix too many styles all at once and it comes off as noisy and
hard to
> follow at times. John K. formerly of Balance Of Power (Heathen
Machine)
> handles the vocals for this band and he is extemely talented. He'll
remind
> of Geoff Tate in parts, but mainly think Phil Anselmo, and Rob
Halford.
> This band is like a wacky mix of Pantera, and Judas Priest on roids
or
> something. It's got it's moments, but it's also a little
overwhelming at
> times. I'm still trying to figure out whether I like it or not.
Right now
> I'm mixed. 6 of 10
Normally, I wouldn't get into a disc like this, but, since John K is a
friend, I just couldn't help it. :) I'm pretty divided on this one. I
really like the improved production quality over Eight Moons (John said
they finally got to use a good studio), but I prefer the Eight Moons
material over the new disc. After a few songs, I lost track of where I
was on the disc if I wasn't paying a lot of attention to it. I think I
enjoy it mostly because of knowing John and having seen how he is in a
live setting. If I had to pick, I'd prefer him to still be in Balance
of Power, but I can get used to Biomechanical's stuff.
Speaking of BoP, for anyone that didn't get a chance to catch one of
their shows with John K last year, you'll definitely want to pick up
the Heathenology 3 disc set when it comes out in the U.S. (should be
out by June, already out in Europe). John K does a wonderful job live.
He's got a great stage personality, and did an unbelievable job on the
older material. "Daybreaker" will never sound the same to me again. :)
The set includes a live CD from the Building A Force festival in
Germany, a DVD of the same show with some nice extras (I have at least
2 cameos! :)) and a re-mastered "best of" CD with track selections from
all of the albums prior to Heathen Machine.
> Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster -- Similar to the past couple discs, but
for me
> it's notch or two below. Overall I'm dissapointed, but it could be
that
> I've just tired a bit of Brainstorm. The songs just don't seem as
memorable
> as the past few discs, but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of
blah. 6.5
> of 10
Haven't heard this one yet. I kinda got burnt out on them after
ProgPower last year (along with Tad Morose). Based on your review, I
may wait a while longer to get back into these bands.
> Circle II Circle -- The Middle Of Nowhere -- I have very similar
feelings
> about the debut and this new one. They both contain some really good
track,
> but they also have their share of boring tunes. It's a hit and miss
> product, although Zack Stevens is always a pretty enjoyable listen.
7 of 10
I must admit that I was looking for a continuation of Watching In
Silence when I got this one. I loved the debut, but was disappointed at
the lack of production quality. The new album is a good rock album, in
my opinion, and I like how the sound has moved away from the Savatage
sound that was in the first disc. Unfortunately, I just had the wrong
expectation for this one, so I never really listen to it now.
Moving on to one that wasn't in your list...
Astral Doors - Evil Is Forever - I flat out love these guys. The singer
is the same guy (can't remember his name offhand) from Wuthering
Heights. I thought he was pretty good on the WH album, but I think he
does even better on this one. Basically, if you like Tony Martin and/or
Dio-era Black Sabbath, then you'll like Astral Doors. I have also
gotten a Pink Cream 69 (but heavier) vibe from their sound, as well.
There's nothing complex about the music at all, but they put together
some great catchy riffs that stick in your head after you're done
listening to the disc. I find myself going back to this disc a lot. If
you like this kind of style at all, then it'll be worth your time to
find this disc. I'd also recommend their debut disc, Of The Son And The
Father.
Pagan's Mind - Enigmatic Calling - Have you heard this one, yet? I
recently gave it a few spins, and it's not bad. It's not really much of
a change from their previous disc, Celestial Entrance, I think.
Overall, I like this disc, but I'm disappointed by the fact that it
sounds like it could be Disc 2 from Celestial Entrance, or the tracks
that didn't quite make the cut for CE. I seem to remember you being a
big PM fan after their ProgPower show, so I'm curious what you think of
it.
If I had to pick a Top 5 for the year, so far, from what little I've
heard that's new, it'd probably look like this...
1. Balance of Power - Heathenology
2. Astral Doors - Evil Is Forever
3. Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
4. Biomechanical - The Empires Of The Worlds (John K's my bud, so I
gotta support him)
5. Either the upcoming DT or SymX album :)
--Mike
Roxanna
I hope you haven't been holding your breath. :) I decided death vocals
weren't for me quite some time ago. However, I did more recently make an
honest attempt to get into a couple bands with death vocals. Into Eternity,
because they were going to be at Prog Power, and because I thought the clean
singer was great. No luck, and I liked it even less live. The other was
Opeth, and I think if Opeth can't do it for me, other bands have very little
chance. Opeth is one extremely talented band, but I couldn't get past those
vocals.
Chris
Roxanna
>
> "GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:tfPce.3108$7K.1136@trnddc06...
> >
> > "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1176op6...@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > I tried a couple of his and they just don't do it for me. Maiden never
> did
> > > a whole lot for me either.
> > >>>>
> >
> > Really, I think Maiden is like my 3rd favoite band ever.
> >
>
> I don't know why not -- they just never did much for me.
>
> > I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
> >
> > #1 Queensryche
> > #2 Megadeth
> > #3 Iron Maiden
> > #4 King Diamond
> > #5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then it
> > really drops off.
Hey where's Rush. :)
> Hmmmm. I'm prolly too old school.
>
> 1. Queensryche
> 2. Zep
> 3. Blue Oyster Cult
> 4. Clapton
> 5. Kiss and/or Alice Cooper
>
> After that it gets hazy. There's moments of AIC, Soundgarden, and Pearl
Jam
> that I like but only a few songs of each have stood the test of time. Dio
in
> all his incarnations (Sabbath, Rainbow, solo) ranks pretty high. Old
> Metallica ranks pretty high. The newer bands I like have a few years to go
> before they could make a notch in the all time list. Is it just me or do
> newer bands fade sooner?
Wow I'm surprised SX didn't make either of your lists. I guess they
haven't been around long enough? (And hey where's Tad Morose - I thought
they were a unanimous "favorite." ;) ) I don't think all newer bands fade
sooner, but the "grunge" once certainly did. The above 3 all had potential,
but the 1st two couldn't keep it together and PJ just started to suck.
My list would be:
1. Rush
2. Dream Theater
3. Threshold
4. Iron Maiden
5. Symphony X and Angra (can I have a tie? :) )
Queensryche at this point has put out a little too much stuff that I don't
like. It's not that I think the bad stuff taints the good, but the with the
above mentioned bands I can listen to just about anything. QR is probably
close to the top though, right under those bands or maybe tied there with
Vanden Plas.
Chris
Roxanna
>
> "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:25Xbe.2518$iZ1.1913@trnddc03...
> >> Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design -- My favorite disc of the year so
> > far.
> >> It's not for everyone in here since it contains a 50/50 mix of
> >> death/clean
> >> vox.
> >
> > That'd prolly kill it for me although I am getting more into it than I
> > ever
> > thought I would -- like Orphaned Land.
> > >>>>
>
> I'm guessing you might enjoy Scar Symmetry. Send me and email with your
> home addy (had to reinstall software - lost peoples addys), and I'll make
> you an mp3 disc or two. Did someone hook you up with Conception stuff
yet?
> I can do so if it hasn't been done already. Make a list of some stuff you
> think sounds interesting. I've also got the new Pagan's Mind as well, and
> it's pretty promising, although I haven't had a real great chance to
really
> listen to it yet.
I offered to send him some Conception but he still hasn't emailed me
yet. :)
Chris
GoPack!!
"Roxanna" <cco...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BcOdnaTQQcq...@comcast.com...
Yeah, don't worry about it Chris. I've copied the Conception stuff off for
him already and will be sending it to him soon.
GoPack!!
"Wishmaster" <metal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I also prefer the material on 8 Moons better as well. The production is
much improved on the new one, but I prefer the songs on 8 Moons more.
> Speaking of BoP, for anyone that didn't get a chance to catch one of
> their shows with John K last year, you'll definitely want to pick up
> the Heathenology 3 disc set when it comes out in the U.S. (should be
> out by June, already out in Europe). John K does a wonderful job live.
> He's got a great stage personality, and did an unbelievable job on the
> older material. "Daybreaker" will never sound the same to me again. :)
> The set includes a live CD from the Building A Force festival in
> Germany, a DVD of the same show with some nice extras (I have at least
> 2 cameos! :)) and a re-mastered "best of" CD with track selections from
> all of the albums prior to Heathen Machine.
> >>>>
I'll probably put this one on DVD "to buy" list in the coming months. I
quite like the BoP catalog. I've purchased all their discs over the years,
and I actually was into them before their appearance at Prog Power a couple
years ago. Any word yet on who their next singer will be? I think they
need to look at the former Threshold singers this time.
>> Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster -- Similar to the past couple discs, but
> for me
>> it's notch or two below. Overall I'm dissapointed, but it could be
> that
>> I've just tired a bit of Brainstorm. The songs just don't seem as
> memorable
>> as the past few discs, but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of
> blah. 6.5
>> of 10
>
> Haven't heard this one yet. I kinda got burnt out on them after
> ProgPower last year (along with Tad Morose). Based on your review, I
> may wait a while longer to get back into these bands.
> >>>
I hope I'm not being too hard on LM, but I honestly think this is a notch
below their last couple. It's the same kind of material but it's a little
weaker disc overall.
> Moving on to one that wasn't in your list...
>
> Astral Doors - Evil Is Forever - I flat out love these guys. The singer
> is the same guy (can't remember his name offhand) from Wuthering
> Heights. I thought he was pretty good on the WH album, but I think he
> does even better on this one. Basically, if you like Tony Martin and/or
> Dio-era Black Sabbath, then you'll like Astral Doors. I have also
> gotten a Pink Cream 69 (but heavier) vibe from their sound, as well.
> There's nothing complex about the music at all, but they put together
> some great catchy riffs that stick in your head after you're done
> listening to the disc. I find myself going back to this disc a lot. If
> you like this kind of style at all, then it'll be worth your time to
> find this disc. I'd also recommend their debut disc, Of The Son And The
> Father.
> >>>>
I've got a source for this one, so I'll have to check it out soon. It
sounds like something I might enjoy.
> Pagan's Mind - Enigmatic Calling - Have you heard this one, yet? I
> recently gave it a few spins, and it's not bad. It's not really much of
> a change from their previous disc, Celestial Entrance, I think.
> Overall, I like this disc, but I'm disappointed by the fact that it
> sounds like it could be Disc 2 from Celestial Entrance, or the tracks
> that didn't quite make the cut for CE. I seem to remember you being a
> big PM fan after their ProgPower show, so I'm curious what you think of
> it.
> >>>>>
Since I started this topic I've had more time to listen to it, and my
opinions are mixed. I absolutely loved CE, but this one seems to come off a
little cold. It's growing on me still, but I have been suprised how it
didn't click with me right away. It is an extrememly polished sounding
disc, but the songs just don't seem as catchy and engaging. Their debut
disc also wasn't a huge hit with me either. I plan on listening to
Enigmatic:Calling a lot this week at work, so hopefully I'll warm up to real
soon.
> If I had to pick a Top 5 for the year, so far, from what little I've
> heard that's new, it'd probably look like this...
>
> 1. Balance of Power - Heathenology
> 2. Astral Doors - Evil Is Forever
> 3. Circus Maximus - The 1st Chapter
> 4. Biomechanical - The Empires Of The Worlds (John K's my bud, so I
> gotta support him)
> 5. Either the upcoming DT or SymX album :)
>
> --Mike
>>>>
I'll check that Astral Doors out. It sounds like it might be right up my
alley.
Wishmaster
This set is definitely a must-have for BoP fans. It offers a lot from
their early days through the present. When the US version is available,
I should be receiving several copies, so I'll definitely post here for
anyone that wants to purchase one (I dunno who will be doing the US
distribution). Auditions are currently being held for the vocal spot,
but, officially, I don't know any of the candidates. I believe Damien
Wilson was considered before John K, but I can't recall the band's
thoughts on him offhand.
Re: Brainstorm
> I hope I'm not being too hard on LM, but I honestly think this is a
notch
> below their last couple. It's the same kind of material but it's a
little
> weaker disc overall.
I was quite happy with Soul Temptation, and I damn near wore out the CD
after ProgPower. I've been told that their earlier work was even
better, but I've slacked off on checking it out. Sadly, I have almost
no CD budget this year, so I'm saving everything for a big ProgPower
haul. :)
> > Astral Doors - Evil Is Forever - I flat out love these guys. The
singer
> > is the same guy (can't remember his name offhand) from Wuthering
> > Heights. I thought he was pretty good on the WH album, but I think
he
> > does even better on this one. Basically, if you like Tony Martin
and/or
> > Dio-era Black Sabbath, then you'll like Astral Doors. I have also
> > gotten a Pink Cream 69 (but heavier) vibe from their sound, as
well.
> > There's nothing complex about the music at all, but they put
together
> > some great catchy riffs that stick in your head after you're done
> > listening to the disc. I find myself going back to this disc a lot.
If
> > you like this kind of style at all, then it'll be worth your time
to
> > find this disc. I'd also recommend their debut disc, Of The Son And
The
> > Father.
> > >>>>
>
> I've got a source for this one, so I'll have to check it out soon.
It
> sounds like something I might enjoy.
Definitely check it out. I'd like to hear what you think. The actual
release date is within the next few weeks, if it's not already out, so
it should be pretty easy to come by.
I'll probably put this in the car so I can get a better listen in, but
my thoughts on it basically mirror yours.
--Mike
Glenn
wrote:
>I was quite happy with Soul Temptation, and I damn near wore out the CD
>after ProgPower. I've been told that their earlier work was even
>better, but I've slacked off on checking it out.
Hmm wouldn't say the earlier stuff is better. Metus Mortis and Soul
Temptation are about equal, and better than the earlier stuff and also
the latest album.
Glenn
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Brent Wiescamp
> yet. :)
Yeah, I'm a goofball. I kept forgetting while I was at home and I don't have
your email here at work. I'm guessing that if I took the "nospam" out of the
above address that I could have sent you one from work. Like I said, I'm a
dork. How about Therion? Do you still need some of that? I've got a bit --
Lemuria/Sirius B and Theli. I could certainly smoke them and send them to
you.
Brent Wiescamp
>
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> >
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> > >
> > > "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > I tried a couple of his and they just don't do it for me. Maiden
never
> > did
> > > > a whole lot for me either.
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > > Really, I think Maiden is like my 3rd favoite band ever.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know why not -- they just never did much for me.
> >
> > > I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
> > >
> > > #1 Queensryche
> > > #2 Megadeth
> > > #3 Iron Maiden
> > > #4 King Diamond
> > > #5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then
it
> > > really drops off.
>
> Hey where's Rush. :)
Crap! The only excuse I have is too little coffee on a snowy Sunday morning.
Lessee, How about Rush @ #4 and move everyone else down a slot? Yes, BOC
over Rush. It's a long story and probably not all that interesting. I have
more stories to tell about seeing BOC live than any other band. I'm going to
see them Labor Day weekend. It's a one-off show with Steppenwolf and .38
Special. The local Harley dealership is having a bike rally that weekend.
It's really turned this conservative little city on its ear.
>
> > Hmmmm. I'm prolly too old school.
> >
> > 1. Queensryche
> > 2. Zep
> > 3. Blue Oyster Cult
> > 4. Clapton
> > 5. Kiss and/or Alice Cooper
> Wow I'm surprised SX didn't make either of your lists. I guess they
> haven't been around long enough? (And hey where's Tad Morose - I thought
> they were a unanimous "favorite." ;) ) I don't think all newer bands fade
> sooner, but the "grunge" once certainly did. The above 3 all had
potential,
> but the 1st two couldn't keep it together and PJ just started to suck.
>
How about a newer bands top 5 then?
1. Tad Morose
2. Symphony X
3. Vanden Plas
4. Evergrey
5. Angra
I'd say the first three are pretty solid and the last two change from time
to time. For instance Vision Divine and Pyramaze might move into those two
slots for a week or so. Hard to put them in there permanently since each
only has one release.
> My list would be:
>
> 1. Rush
> 2. Dream Theater
> 3. Threshold
> 4. Iron Maiden
> 5. Symphony X and Angra (can I have a tie? :) )
>
Certainly. I did until I put Rush in my list. ;)
> Queensryche at this point has put out a little too much stuff that I don't
> like. It's not that I think the bad stuff taints the good, but the with
the
> above mentioned bands I can listen to just about anything. QR is probably
> close to the top though, right under those bands or maybe tied there with
> Vanden Plas.
For almost every one of the bands I listed there's spots in their careers
that I don't particularly care for. QR post PL. BOC every other album or so.
Rush Power Windows, Grace Under Pressure. Zep any album, any time except
Coda. Clapton any album, any time.
Brent Wiescamp
> I take it you have seen the "cowbell skit" from saturday night live,
right?
> If not it's a funny one pertaining to Blue Oyster Cult, and the cowbell in
> Don't Fear The Reaper. Here's the link.
I couldn't get anything from that link but I did find another. That's pretty
funny. A friend and I used to make fun of cowbell use on a fairly regular
basis. Is that where Glen H. gets his avatar/sig?
> Here is also a link to the worst
> sports cast known to man.
Oh man, I cringed. That poor kid.
GoPack!!
meaning up until a couple weeks ago.
That sportscaster kid still managed to get in his tag line "and boom
goes the dynamite."
Greg in NJ
<cco...@nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>> I thought Roxx was finally starting to get into Death Metal?
>
> I hope you haven't been holding your breath. :) I decided death vocals
>weren't for me quite some time ago.
Mostly I was just joking.
>However, I did more recently make an honest attempt to get into a couple
>bands with death vocals. Into Eternity, because they were going to be at
>Prog Power, and because I thought the clean singer was great. No luck,
>and I liked it even less live. The other was Opeth, and I think if Opeth
>can't do it for me, other bands have very little chance. Opeth is one
>extremely talented band, but I couldn't get past those vocals.
Not only are they very talented, but Mikael does Death vocals better
than just about anyone.
Greg in NJ
Rager93
GoPack!! wrote:
> "Greg in NJ" <gen...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:is5771p4demftkor7...@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:34:54 GMT, "GoPack!!"
> > <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design
> >
> > I didn't realize this was so hard to get. Truth be told, I glossed
> > over this one. Not sure if I even listened to it all the way
through.
> > But given how strongly you feel about it, I'll most certainly be
> > revisiting it... soon.
> > >>>>
>
> It's like Soilwork some, but contains death growls instead of
shrieks.
I'm liking Soilwork...been checking out a sampler of their new CD that
Century Media sent me with my $5 Enemies of Reality Remix/Remaster.
Just had to comment on the "shrieks" vs. "growls". I guess I'm
becoming a conesuer of Death Vox or something, because I now classify 2
distinct styles very similarly to the way you do. I actually give them
different names now to keep it straight. I now refer to Death Vocals
and Extreme Vocals. Death is more "growly"...think Opeth. Extreme is
more "shrieky/screamy"...think newer bands like Killswitch Engage,
Mudvayne, Soilwork, etc.
> I much prefer growls to shrieks if you know what I mean.
I think I know exactly what you mean (see if you agree with what I
wrote above) and I seem to prefer Extreme Vocals to Death Vocals.
<shrug> Eitherway I've gotta have some clean melodic vocals mixed in
or it's a no go for me eitherway. Into Eternity (Death with Melodic
Clean) and Killswitch Engage (Extreme with Melodic Clean) are currently
far and away my favorites in each category. Opeth is very good but
their songs tend to drag on too long for me so I give the edge to Into
Eternity for Death/Clean vox.
>I like Scar Symmetry
> a lot better than Soilwork though. Give it a couple listens and see
if
> doesn't appeal to you.
Might have to check this out....after I fully digest Mercenary and Tad
Morose. :-)
Later
Phil
GoPack!!
>
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>>
>> "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
>> > news:tfPce.3108$7K.1136@trnddc06...
>> > >
>> > > "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1176op6...@corp.supernews.com...
>> > > >
>> > > > I tried a couple of his and they just don't do it for me. Maiden
> never
>> > did
>> > > > a whole lot for me either.
>> > > >>>>
>> > >
>> > > Really, I think Maiden is like my 3rd favoite band ever.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I don't know why not -- they just never did much for me.
>> >
>> > > I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
>> > >
>> > > #1 Queensryche
>> > > #2 Megadeth
>> > > #3 Iron Maiden
>> > > #4 King Diamond
>> > > #5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then
> it
>> > > really drops off.
>>
>> Hey where's Rush. :)
>
Rush could have made the list I guess, but I probably would have opted for
the older Metallica stuff that I hold in high regard, and perhaps Kiss,
which is generally a hit with me.
I don't quite consider the Kamelot's and Symphony X's quite on the level as
my all time faves yet. Conception almost made it, but it's just hard to put
a band with four discs ahead of the Kiss's, Rush's , and Metallica's.
GoPack!!
"Rager93" <Rag...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>
> GoPack!! wrote:
>> "Greg in NJ" <gen...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:is5771p4demftkor7...@4ax.com...
>> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:34:54 GMT, "GoPack!!"
>> > <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design
>> >
>> > I didn't realize this was so hard to get. Truth be told, I glossed
>> > over this one. Not sure if I even listened to it all the way
> through.
>> > But given how strongly you feel about it, I'll most certainly be
>> > revisiting it... soon.
>> > >>>>
>>
>> It's like Soilwork some, but contains death growls instead of
> shrieks.
>
> I'm liking Soilwork...been checking out a sampler of their new CD that
> Century Media sent me with my $5 Enemies of Reality Remix/Remaster.
> Just had to comment on the "shrieks" vs. "growls". I guess I'm
> becoming a conesuer of Death Vox or something, because I now classify 2
> distinct styles very similarly to the way you do. I actually give them
> different names now to keep it straight. I now refer to Death Vocals
> and Extreme Vocals. Death is more "growly"...think Opeth. Extreme is
> more "shrieky/screamy"...think newer bands like Killswitch Engage,
> Mudvayne, Soilwork, etc.
> >>>
I totally agree with you on everything you wrote, and for not on I will
refer to the shrieks as extreme, and the growls as death vox. I've done so
many times in the past but it seems the majority of people want to lump both
the shrieks and growls together and call them death vox.
>> I much prefer growls to shrieks if you know what I mean.
> ><>>
I know exactly what you mean and I agree.
>>I like Scar Symmetry
>> a lot better than Soilwork though. Give it a couple listens and see
> if
>> doesn't appeal to you.
>
> Might have to check this out....after I fully digest Mercenary and Tad
> Morose. :-)
>
> Later
> Phil
>>>>
Send me an email with your home addy and I'll send you off an mp3 disc.
Pack.sp...@verizon.net remove the spam. Give me a list of stuff if
you want and I can probably fill some of it.
Brent Wiescamp
> I don't quite consider the Kamelot's and Symphony X's quite on the level
as
> my all time faves yet. Conception almost made it, but it's just hard to
put
> a band with four discs ahead of the Kiss's, Rush's , and Metallica's.
Yup. That's how I see it too.
Rager93
GoPack!! wrote:
> "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1176op6...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
>
> #1 Queensryche
> #2 Megadeth
> #3 Iron Maiden
> #4 King Diamond
> #5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then
it
> really drops off.
>
Oooooo I love lists......I know you really dig KD but was surprised to
see him on your Top 5 All Time. Mines pretty easy, it tracks with
major "eras" of my life. My list in Chronological order:
1) KISS - It all started here for me...I was 7 and highly
impressionable when I discovered "The Hottest Band in the World". The
rest is musical history for me.
2) AC/DC - I cried the day Bon Scott died. I was 10 and in the 4th
grade. It was devastating. I thought my favorite band was done. Then
they gave me Back in Black. Whodathunk? Bon Scott is still who I
identify with AC/DC and Phil Rudd is the reason I'm a drummer.
3) Motley Crue - I was walking home from school in the 7th grade when I
got my first taste of The Crue. Instantly hooked by the sound, then
got hooked by the image and decadence (even though at 13 I probably
didn't know that word). My 1st concert ever was the 1984 Shout at the
Devil show at the San Jose Civic Auditorium. I was completely awed by
it....the energy, the sound, the lights, the performance....it defined
me musically for an entire decade and as a drummer for life.
4) Metallica - The yin to my Motley Crue yang. How could a Glam Metal
lover also be completely taken by Metallica (KEA - AJFA). Are you
kidding...just listen to Creeping Death, or Master of Puppets or Damage
Inc. or For Whom the Bell Tolls or Fade to Black or....shall I go on.
I never ventured much further down the Speed/Thrash Metal path (which
is what we considered Metallica at the time) than Metallica, Megadeth,
and Anthrax but damn are those 3 great band or what?
5) Queensryche - Actually "discovered" The Ryche in 1983 by accident.
My younger brother picked up a 4 song EP because the "black cover and
writing looked cool". We put on the first song (Queen of the what?)
and couldn't believe our ears. The vocalist was better than Judas
Priest!!!! NO WAY!! Although initially blown away by the singer (some
Tate guy who spells his first name funny) only 2 songs on the EP really
grabbed my attention. However, I liked the band enough to pick-up
their 1st full lengthh LP when it came out. I really liked what I
heard but initially it took a back seat to Motley, Metallica, Ozzy,
Iron Maiden and even Grim Reaper ("See you in hell my friend...").
Slowly something happened though because before I knew I was listening
to The Warning more than any other album. It wasn't until
late-1986/early-1987 when I saw Queensryche (openning for AC/DC) on
their Rage for Order tour that I knew this band was like no other.
They openned with an unbelieve rendition of Neue Regel and from that
point on no band has so influenced my life: musically,
philosophically, politically, socially (without them you wouldn't be
reading this post right now and I wouldn't even know any of you). The
Thinking Man's Metal Band...for sure. I had heard Rush and many said
they were Progressive Metal but to my ears there was nothing Metal
about them. With their Progressive trilogy: The Warning/Rage for
Order/Operation: Mindcrime, Queensryche truly defined the genre
Progressive Metal. To this day, even after nearly a decade of below
standard releases, nothing compare to The Ryche's seminal material and
their live performances. NOTHING!! It's why even with my current
dissappointment and growing concern over the coming Operation:
Mindcrime II, I still consider them to be my FAVORITE band.
So if I had rate them in order:
#1) Queensryche
#2) Motley Crue
#3) KISS
#4) AC/DC
#5) Metallica
I would be remiss if I didn't mention Ozzy. Ozzy was the friend that
was always their for me. From Blizzard of Ozz through No More Tears,
Ozzy was in constant rotation when I took a break from the above bands.
I never identified him as a "favorite band" but I love everything he's
ever done. I didn't even know he was in some "old" band called Black
Sabbath until after Diary of a Madman was released; didn't know this
"old" band basically started everything that is METAL!! The song Black
Sabbath still gives me chills when I listen to it. But Ozzy just never
quite edged out the above bands for the Top spot on my Favorite Band
lists through out my life. Each one of the above bands holds a unique
distinction: During some era in my life other people identified me by
one of the Bands above: Phil is the Motley fanatic. Phil is the KISS
Army fanatic; Phil is QUEENSRYCHE; QUEENSRYCHE is Phil; Phil never
stops listening to Master of Puppets, PHIL!! TURN DOWN HIGHWAY TO
HELL!!
So there you have it. Even if you didn't want it. :-)
Later
Phil
Rager93
GoPack!! wrote:
> "Rager93" <Rag...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:1115076445....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
that
> > Century Media sent me with my $5 Enemies of Reality Remix/Remaster.
> > Just had to comment on the "shrieks" vs. "growls". I guess I'm
> > becoming a conesuer of Death Vox or something, because I now
classify 2
> > distinct styles very similarly to the way you do. I actually give
them
> > different names now to keep it straight. I now refer to Death
Vocals
> > and Extreme Vocals. Death is more "growly"...think Opeth. Extreme
is
> > more "shrieky/screamy"...think newer bands like Killswitch Engage,
> > Mudvayne, Soilwork, etc.
> > >>>
>
> I totally agree with you on everything you wrote, and for not on I
will
> refer to the shrieks as extreme, and the growls as death vox.
Cool!! The 2 vocal styles are related but I definitely pick up on the
difference now. Before my current appreciation of Death and Extreme I
didn't differentiate the it beyond "Cookie Monster" vocals. ;-) Most
of it I still don't like but there are some band that incorporate it
well.
> I've done so
> many times in the past but it seems the majority of people want to
lump both
> the shrieks and growls together and call them death vox.
Well to the unitiated and uneducated it all "sounds like noise with
screaming over the top". (Direct quote from my daughters and wife).
LOL!!
> Send me an email with your home addy and I'll send you off an mp3
disc.
> Pack.sp...@verizon.net remove the spam. Give me a list of
stuff if
> you want and I can probably fill some of it.
That's very cool of you to offer. I always feel bad because I'm so bad
about burning discs and mailing them. Hell I haven't burned a disc in
ages....don't even know if I have any CD-R's. I think I still owe you
and somebody else in here a disc of something. <scratching head> I
can't remember. Maybe we should just set up an FTP site that we can
all deposit and retrieve the gems we all come across and want to share
with each other. Hmmm......
Later
Phil
GoPack!!
>
> GoPack!! wrote:
>> "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1176op6...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> Really, I think Maiden is like my 3rd favoite band ever.
>>
>> I was think about my top 5 ever bands and I can up with this.
>>
>> #1 Queensryche
>> #2 Megadeth
>> #3 Iron Maiden
>> #4 King Diamond
>> #5 I can't name a #5 -- Those top 4 are clearly my favorites and then
> it
>> really drops off.
>>
>
>
> Oooooo I love lists......I know you really dig KD but was surprised to
> see him on your Top 5 All Time. Mines pretty easy, it tracks with
> major "eras" of my life. My list in Chronological order:
> >>>>
KD's a legend, man. He's got something going for himself that the others
can't really claim - he's still making good music. I think his latest
studio effort The Puppet Master is on par with about anything he's ever
done. I should give Megadeth and Maiden a little credit, but I think each
of those bands last releases were not among the best in their catalog. I
guess if I was to name a #5 it would be Ozzy. Kiss and Metallica would be
pretty close in line too.
> 1) KISS - It all started here for me...I was 7 and highly
> impressionable when I discovered "The Hottest Band in the World". The
> rest is musical history for me.
> >>>
I love Kiss, but I never was a diehard, and I only own about half of their
catalog if that.
> 2) AC/DC - I cried the day Bon Scott died. I was 10 and in the 4th
> grade. It was devastating. I thought my favorite band was done. Then
> they gave me Back in Black. Whodathunk? Bon Scott is still who I
> identify with AC/DC and Phil Rudd is the reason I'm a drummer.
> >
I had all their stuff at one point, but haven't much thought about them in
years. Still, they would probably make my top 10.
> 3) Motley Crue - I was walking home from school in the 7th grade when I
> got my first taste of The Crue. Instantly hooked by the sound, then
> got hooked by the image and decadence (even though at 13 I probably
> didn't know that word). My 1st concert ever was the 1984 Shout at the
> Devil show at the San Jose Civic Auditorium. I was completely awed by
> it....the energy, the sound, the lights, the performance....it defined
> me musically for an entire decade and as a drummer for life.
> >>>
I loved these guys back in the day, but I think they are a major joke now,
and I really hate how people find these old turds interesting.
> 4) Metallica - The yin to my Motley Crue yang. How could a Glam Metal
> lover also be completely taken by Metallica (KEA - AJFA). Are you
> kidding...just listen to Creeping Death, or Master of Puppets or Damage
> Inc. or For Whom the Bell Tolls or Fade to Black or....shall I go on.
> I never ventured much further down the Speed/Thrash Metal path (which
> is what we considered Metallica at the time) than Metallica, Megadeth,
> and Anthrax but damn are those 3 great band or what?
> >>>>>
Great, Great early and mid catalog stuff, and then they hit the shits. I'm
a also a big (KEA - AJFA) fan. I always liked Megadeth a tad bit better
though.
I still would say Queensryche is my favorite of all time, but they are
nowhere near my list of current favorites.
> So if I had rate them in order:
>
> #1) Queensryche
> #2) Motley Crue
> #3) KISS
> #4) AC/DC
> #5) Metallica
> >>>>
Yep, that's a quality list.
> I would be remiss if I didn't mention Ozzy. Ozzy was the friend that
> was always their for me. From Blizzard of Ozz through No More Tears,
> Ozzy was in constant rotation when I took a break from the above bands.
> I never identified him as a "favorite band" but I love everything he's
> ever done. I didn't even know he was in some "old" band called Black
> Sabbath until after Diary of a Madman was released; didn't know this
> "old" band basically started everything that is METAL!! The song Black
> Sabbath still gives me chills when I listen to it. But Ozzy just never
> quite edged out the above bands for the Top spot on my Favorite Band
> lists through out my life. Each one of the above bands holds a unique
> distinction: During some era in my life other people identified me by
> one of the Bands above: Phil is the Motley fanatic. Phil is the KISS
> Army fanatic; Phil is QUEENSRYCHE; QUEENSRYCHE is Phil; Phil never
> stops listening to Master of Puppets, PHIL!! TURN DOWN HIGHWAY TO
> HELL!!
>
> So there you have it. Even if you didn't want it. :-)
>
> Later
> Phil
>>>>>>
Good stuff, Phil !!
Britt
GoPack!!
"Rager93" <Rag...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> Send me an email with your home addy and I'll send you off an mp3
> disc.
>> Pack.sp...@verizon.net remove the spam. Give me a list of
> stuff if
>> you want and I can probably fill some of it.
>
>
> That's very cool of you to offer. I always feel bad because I'm so bad
> about burning discs and mailing them. Hell I haven't burned a disc in
> ages....don't even know if I have any CD-R's. I think I still owe you
> and somebody else in here a disc of something. <scratching head> I
> can't remember. Maybe we should just set up an FTP site that we can
> all deposit and retrieve the gems we all come across and want to share
> with each other. Hmmm......
>
> Later
> Phil
>>>>>>
I think at one time you were going to burn me Porcupine Tree, but I came
across it on the usenet shortly after and never really brought it up again.
It really wouldn't be a problem at all to burn you off a disc full of mp3's.
That's generally how I burn things off. I place the files in folders and
then load up a disc of full titles. I can usually get 8 or 9 full discs on
a cd that way. Most of the stuff I already have on my harddrive , or I can
easily copy it over from my Rio. It really wouldn't take me much time at
all. I was thinking the Scar Symmetry is definately something you would
enjoy. The chroruses are so catchy and kind of modern, and it just works so
well with clean/death vox mix. I'd really like to hear what you think of
it. I don't know if you ever scored any of the PC69's, but I do have their
last four. I'm sure I could fill up a CDR full of titles for you rather
easily. Send me that email if interested, and maybe give me a small list of
some things you are interested in hearing.
Britt
blackd...@mindspring.com
blackd...@mindspring.com
>So there you have it. Even if you didn't want it. :-)
On the contrary. :) It's great to have you back!
I guess my Top 5 would shake out as follows...
Marillion
Queensryche (finally slipped off the podium sometime in the past few years for
me)
Pain of Salvation (tho still "new" to me, I'm so taken with them, they
definitely deserve a top spot)
Kiss
Gosh, coming up with another one is hard... there are so many others that are
neck-and-neck that I don't know that I can pick just one. Maybe Savatage? I
was pretty nuts about Metallica up until the black album, but they've killed it
since then, in ways Queensryche could only dream about. Ah, I have it!!
Overkill
Hearkening back to my hard-and-heavy days there. :)
Shaye
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"And then this fire is born... because of who you are, the soul inside you,
the words you speak, the expression on your face, the certain witness of
eternity I read in you! My world collapses when I'm near you... And this
love has taken root, this savage love which knows no fear of you, and only
wants to be with you... and all else melts away."
--Anne Rice, 'Blood Canticle'
DevilThorn
<blackd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:427813ad...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> Gosh, coming up with another one is hard... there are so many others that
are
> neck-and-neck that I don't know that I can pick just one. Maybe Savatage?
I
> was pretty nuts about Metallica up until the black album, but they've
killed it
> since then, in ways Queensryche could only dream about. Ah, I have it!!
>
> Overkill
>
> Hearkening back to my hard-and-heavy days there. :)
i pretty much only lurk here, but i just had to say that the fact that you
mentioned Overkill in your top 5 list is very impressive. not many people
are into them, even though they are better than 99% of the thrash bands out
there. and they're still going strong over 20 years later, with not a bad
album yet.
and speaking of Overkill, i just picked up their new album "Relixiv"
tonight. absolutely amazing album.
by the way....Savatage would be an excellent choice too. with one minor
exception....the albums with Zak singing. boring, and nowhere near the
quality of the early albums with Oliva on the mic. (and in another spot of
coincidence....i also picked up Jon Oliva's Pain " ' Tage Mahal" disc
tonight. apparently you and i were on the same wavelength today. heh.)
Roxanna
There - I fixed your list for you. :) Go ahead and tell your long story
anyway - I'm sure it's more interesting than you think. :) You don't have
to like a band to find stories about them interesting. I only know about 2
songs from Blue Oyster Cult, but I do like them both. :)
> > > Hmmmm. I'm prolly too old school.
> > >
> > > 1. Queensryche
> > > 2. Zep
> > > 3. Blue Oyster Cult
> > > 4. Rush
> > > 5. Clapton
>
> > Wow I'm surprised SX didn't make either of your lists. I guess they
> > haven't been around long enough? (And hey where's Tad Morose - I
thought
> > they were a unanimous "favorite." ;) ) I don't think all newer bands
fade
> > sooner, but the "grunge" once certainly did. The above 3 all had
> potential,
> > but the 1st two couldn't keep it together and PJ just started to suck.
> >
>
> How about a newer bands top 5 then?
Well I'd expect those bands on a newer bands list. You and Britt both
have done a fair amount of raving about SX, so I was surprised they at least
didn't crack one of your top 5s.
> 1. Tad Morose
> 2. Symphony X
> 3. Vanden Plas
> 4. Evergrey
> 5. Angra
>
> I'd say the first three are pretty solid and the last two change from time
> to time. For instance Vision Divine and Pyramaze might move into those two
> slots for a week or so. Hard to put them in there permanently since each
> only has one release.
Yeah I like both of those albums, but I doubt I could put a band with
just 1 release (and one that I just heard a few months ago) in my top 5.
Not enough time to really get a feel for them.
> > My list would be:
> >
> > 1. Rush
> > 2. Dream Theater
> > 3. Threshold
> > 4. Iron Maiden
> > 5. Symphony X and Angra (can I have a tie? :) )
> >
>
> Certainly. I did until I put Rush in my list. ;)
>
> > Queensryche at this point has put out a little too much stuff that I
don't
> > like. It's not that I think the bad stuff taints the good, but the with
> the
> > above mentioned bands I can listen to just about anything. QR is
probably
> > close to the top though, right under those bands or maybe tied there
with
> > Vanden Plas.
>
> For almost every one of the bands I listed there's spots in their careers
> that I don't particularly care for. QR post PL. BOC every other album or
so.
> Rush Power Windows, Grace Under Pressure. Zep any album, any time except
> Coda. Clapton any album, any time.
Those 2 Rush albums you don't like or you do? You started off with
stuff you didn't care for, but ended with stuff you do (at least I take it
"any album, any time" means you like them all rather than dislike :) ). On
my top 5 list I can't say there are any periods of time with stuff that I
don't like. There may be a song here or there, but that's about it. I'm
not in love with Paul Di'anno, but I do like the songs on those 1st two
Maiden albums.
Chris
Roxanna
I can understand where you're coming from. Rush and Iron Maiden
certainly have a lot more albums than the rest of the bands on my list.
However, those newer bands are pretty close to QR as far as output goes.
Queensryche has 8 albums and an EP. On June 7th, so will Dream Theater.
Threshold has 7 albums, and Symphony X 6 (with a 7th to come out this year).
They're in the same ballpark so it doesn't seem like a stretch putting those
bands on the same list the QR would be on. The only one that's kind of iffy
for me is Angra with 5, but they also have a couple EPs. Plus their 5 are
so damn good.
Chris
Roxanna
Yep taking out the nospam would have worked. :) I can't even send email
from work (well I can, but then I might get fired) so don't worry about it.
:) I already have Theli but I'll let you know about Lemuria. I need to
make myself listen to Theli first!
Chris
Roxanna
>
> GoPack!! wrote:
> > I much prefer growls to shrieks if you know what I mean.
>
> I think I know exactly what you mean (see if you agree with what I
> wrote above) and I seem to prefer Extreme Vocals to Death Vocals.
> <shrug> Eitherway I've gotta have some clean melodic vocals mixed in
> or it's a no go for me eitherway. Into Eternity (Death with Melodic
> Clean) and Killswitch Engage (Extreme with Melodic Clean) are currently
> far and away my favorites in each category. Opeth is very good but
> their songs tend to drag on too long for me so I give the edge to Into
> Eternity for Death/Clean vox.
But wait, doesn't Into Eternity have death vocals *and* the shrieks as
well? :) And what about Children of Bodom? I called the vocals death one
time but was corrected and told they're black metal vocals.
Chris
GoPack!!
Yes, Into Eternity employs both, but Children Of Bodom doesn't seem too.
CoB uses Shrieks mainly. I think most people call CoB melodic death metal,
and I've seen them referred to as extreme power metal. I don't know much
about black metal, but CoB doesn't strike me as having a lot of similarities
to other bands in that genre.
Brent Wiescamp
>
> I can understand where you're coming from. Rush and Iron Maiden
> certainly have a lot more albums than the rest of the bands on my list.
> However, those newer bands are pretty close to QR as far as output goes.
> Queensryche has 8 albums and an EP. On June 7th, so will Dream Theater.
> Threshold has 7 albums, and Symphony X 6 (with a 7th to come out this
year).
> They're in the same ballpark so it doesn't seem like a stretch putting
those
> bands on the same list the QR would be on. The only one that's kind of
iffy
> for me is Angra with 5, but they also have a couple EPs. Plus their 5 are
> so damn good.
How about a little different angle? I've been listening to Kiss, Zep, and
Clapton for almost 30 years now. Rush about 20-25 years. Queensryche about
20 years. SX and VP about 3 years. TM about a year. Angra about three
months. The newer bands could certainly move into the top 5 but the older
bands have a head start and they're firmly entrenched.
Brent Wiescamp
> Yep taking out the nospam would have worked. :) I can't even send
> from work (well I can, but then I might get fired) so don't worry about
it.
> :) I already have Theli but I'll let you know about Lemuria. I need to
> make myself listen to Theli first!
Yeah, it might be a little forced. I know I have to force myself to listen
to them. They just don't do anything for me. FWIW, I do "like" a fair bit of
Lemuria/Sirius but absolutely nothing on Theli. I've got a ton of stuff to
listen to lately so they get pushed to the bottom of the list, PP or not.
I've been swapping Blues discs with one of the bosses this week and Britt
sent an absolute load of stuff that I suspect will be waiting for me when I
get home from work today.
blackd...@mindspring.com
>i pretty much only lurk here, but i just had to say that the fact that you
>mentioned Overkill in your top 5 list is very impressive. not many people
>are into them, even though they are better than 99% of the thrash bands out
>there. and they're still going strong over 20 years later, with not a bad
>album yet.
To be honest, I haven't listened to them much over the past couple of albums,
but yeah, I like 'em pretty damn well.
>and speaking of Overkill, i just picked up their new album "Relixiv"
>tonight. absolutely amazing album.
I really should go get that. I missed the last one, too, and maybe one before
that. Damn, I feel like a bad fan now. lol
>by the way....Savatage would be an excellent choice too. with one minor
>exception....the albums with Zak singing. boring, and nowhere near the
>quality of the early albums with Oliva on the mic. (and in another spot of
>coincidence....i also picked up Jon Oliva's Pain " ' Tage Mahal" disc
>tonight. apparently you and i were on the same wavelength today. heh.)
I'm not nuts about most of the Zak-stuff, but I do love DWD. Jon was always
Savatage to me.
Btw... hey! you! Offa my brainwave! ;)
Shaye
DevilThorn
<blackd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:42795a55...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> >i pretty much only lurk here, but i just had to say that the fact that
you
> >mentioned Overkill in your top 5 list is very impressive. not many
people
> >are into them, even though they are better than 99% of the thrash bands
out
> >there. and they're still going strong over 20 years later, with not a
bad
> >album yet.
> To be honest, I haven't listened to them much over the past couple of
albums,
> but yeah, I like 'em pretty damn well.
what is the last album of theirs that you heard?
> >and speaking of Overkill, i just picked up their new album "Relixiv"
> >tonight. absolutely amazing album.
> I really should go get that. I missed the last one, too, and maybe one
before
> that. Damn, I feel like a bad fan now. lol
if you haven't seen it yet, i highly recommend picking up their dvd,
"Wrecking Everything: An Evening in Asbury Park" it's a 2 disc dvd.
concert is approx. 2 hours long, with 24 songs. the 2nd disc is a rather
long interview/retrospective on the group. i highly recommend it.
in more Overkill news....they are rumored to possibly be a part of Dave
Mustaine's "Gigantour" that is about to happen. that would instantly make
that tour the best thing to happen all year, should they get offered this
spot.
> >by the way....Savatage would be an excellent choice too. with one minor
> >exception....the albums with Zak singing. boring, and nowhere near the
> >quality of the early albums with Oliva on the mic. (and in another spot
of
> >coincidence....i also picked up Jon Oliva's Pain " ' Tage Mahal" disc
> >tonight. apparently you and i were on the same wavelength today. heh.)
>
> I'm not nuts about most of the Zak-stuff, but I do love DWD. Jon was
always
> Savatage to me.
finally....someone that agrees with me. DWD had its moments, but overall,
even the best songs on it couldn't compare to the worst songs on a Jon
Oliva-fronted Sava album. in my opinion, the best part of DWD, and the
albums afterward, was Al Pitrelli's guitar playing. Zak was just average,
at best.
> Btw... hey! you! Offa my brainwave! ;)
sheesh...i agree with her and she still won't share the brainwave. hmmmph.
Rager93
GoPack!! wrote:
> "Rager93" <Rag...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:1115146424....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
to
> > see him on your Top 5 All Time. Mines pretty easy, it tracks with
> > major "eras" of my life. My list in Chronological order:
> > >>>>
>
>
> KD's a legend, man. He's got something going for himself that the
others
> can't really claim - he's still making good music. I think his
latest
> studio effort The Puppet Master is on par with about anything he's
ever
> done.
Just the sheer volume of the KD/MF catalogs is legendary. I should go
back and give him a try. Back in the day I just found his falsetto and
over the top Satanism a bit too much for me. I never could get into
Merciful Fate....although as an aside my first band was called Mystic
Fate and we got the idea from MF. We even had a real wicked looking MF
symbol and played mainly "D&D Metal". ;-)
> I should give Megadeth
I have both Rust in Peace and their new one on the way....I'll let you
know what I think when I get them.
>and Maiden a little credit,
A lot of credit. Dance of Death was good. Brave New World may be
their 2nd best ever. Nothing will top Piece of Mind for me.
> but I think each
> of those bands last releases were not among the best in their
catalog. I
> guess if I was to name a #5 it would be Ozzy. Kiss and Metallica
would be
> pretty close in line too.
Yep. Hard to go against Legends.
>
>
>
> > 1) KISS - It all started here for me...I was 7 and highly
> > impressionable when I discovered "The Hottest Band in the World".
The
> > rest is musical history for me.
> > >>>
>
> I love Kiss, but I never was a diehard, and I only own about half of
their
> catalog if that.
I was a KISS Army FANATIC. I literally wallpapered my room with every
Picture of KISS I could cut out from a magazine. I had each wall
dedicated to each member. It was actually very cool looking. I still
own the original LP of KISS - Animalize. Let's see if I can remember
them off the top of my head:
KISS
Hotter than Hell
Dressed to Kill
Alive!
Double Platinum
Destroyer
Rock and Roll All Over
Love Gun
Alive II
KISS Gene Simmons
KISS Paul Stanley
KISS Ace Frehley
KISS Peter Criss
Dynasty
Music from the Elders
Unmasked
Lick it Up
Assylum (?)
Animalized
Shaye...help me out here.....am I missin' anything?
> I had all their stuff at one point,
Me too:
High Voltage (both versions Australian and US)
Let There Be Rock
Dirt Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
Powerage
If You Want Blood...
Highway to Hell
Back in Black
Let There Be Rock
'74 Jailbreak
Flick of the Switch
Fly on the Wall
Who Made Who
> but haven't much thought about them in
> years. Still, they would probably make my top 10.
Only really think about them when they come up on my Classic Rock
playlist. :-)
> re: Motley Crue:
> I loved these guys back in the day, but I think they are a major joke
now,
> and I really hate how people find these old turds interesting.
You wound me deeply. ;-)
> Re: Metallica
> Great, Great early and mid catalog stuff, and then they hit the
shits. I'm
> a also a big (KEA - AJFA) fan. I always liked Megadeth a tad bit
better
> though.
had a bad initial experience with Megadeth....saw them in like '85 at
club in Palo Alto CA and they sound bad and had their amps waaayyyyy
toooo loud for the size of the place. It was literally painful to
listen to. I've never had a bigger headache in my life. Took awhile
for appreciation of Megadeth to grow. But after Rust in Peace,
Countdown to Extinction Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings I had to admit
that 'Deth was pretty damn awesome.
> I still would say Queensryche is my favorite of all time, but they
are
> nowhere near my list of current favorites.
>
Understandable. For me I put on my Quintessential Queensryche playlist
and still nothing else on my entire iPod even touches it.
>
> > So if I had rate them in order:
> >
> > #1) Queensryche
> > #2) Motley Crue
> > #3) KISS
> > #4) AC/DC
> > #5) Metallica
> > >>>>
>
>
> Yep, that's a quality list.
Thanks
>
> Good stuff, Phil !!
Thanks again...glad you enjoyed it.
Phil
GoPack!!
>
> GoPack!! wrote:
>> "Rager93" <Rag...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:1115146424....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> > Oooooo I love lists......I know you really dig KD but was surprised
> to
>> > see him on your Top 5 All Time. Mines pretty easy, it tracks with
>> > major "eras" of my life. My list in Chronological order:
>> > >>>>
>>
>>
>> KD's a legend, man. He's got something going for himself that the
> others
>> can't really claim - he's still making good music. I think his
> latest
>> studio effort The Puppet Master is on par with about anything he's
> ever
>> done.
>
> Just the sheer volume of the KD/MF catalogs is legendary. I should go
> back and give him a try. Back in the day I just found his falsetto and
> over the top Satanism a bit too much for me. I never could get into
> Merciful Fate....although as an aside my first band was called Mystic
> Fate and we got the idea from MF. We even had a real wicked looking MF
> symbol and played mainly "D&D Metal". ;-)
> >>>>
KD was always the horror based band, and MF was the more satanic version.
Basically every disc of KD's except for the debut Fatal Portait is a concept
album, and even at that the last couple tunes are a concept. It's generally
an interesting storyline as well. I think the guy is a terrific metal mind,
and he's still going at it strong. Hell KD and MF were big influences for
Metallica, and countless other bands as well.
I got into KD about the same time I got into the Ryche as well ... circa
86/87. I've been into him since. My top handful of KD are as follows.
#1 Conspiracy
#2 Abigail
#3 Them
#4 The Puppet Master
#5 Voodoo
>> I should give Megadeth
>
> I have both Rust in Peace and their new one on the way....I'll let you
> know what I think when I get them.
> >>>
Rust In Peace might be their high water mark as a band. That's a vicious
disc, and is a major standout in their catalog. The new one is pretty
strong after what I consider a couple weak ones.
>>and Maiden a little credit,
>
> A lot of credit. Dance of Death was good. Brave New World may be
> their 2nd best ever. Nothing will top Piece of Mind for me.
> >>>
Dance bored me pretty quickly, but I wouldn't call it a bad disc at all. I
was just tired of them at the time it came out. I like BNW quite a bit, but
I would place it at or near the top of their second tier material. I rank
7th Son as my favorite, followed by Piece Of Mind, The Number Of The Beast,
Powerslave, and Somewhere In Time.
>> re: Motley Crue:
>> I loved these guys back in the day, but I think they are a major joke
> now,
>> and I really hate how people find these old turds interesting.
>
> You wound me deeply. ;-)
>
> >>>>
No offense, it's just that I don't like them these days at all, and I hate
to see those dirtbags make big dough.
>> Re: Metallica
>> Great, Great early and mid catalog stuff, and then they hit the
> shits. I'm
>> a also a big (KEA - AJFA) fan. I always liked Megadeth a tad bit
> better
>> though.
>
> had a bad initial experience with Megadeth....saw them in like '85 at
> club in Palo Alto CA and they sound bad and had their amps waaayyyyy
> toooo loud for the size of the place. It was literally painful to
> listen to. I've never had a bigger headache in my life. Took awhile
> for appreciation of Megadeth to grow. But after Rust in Peace,
> Countdown to Extinction Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings I had to admit
> that 'Deth was pretty damn awesome.
> >>>>
I've seen Megadeth live several times, and I think they are a mediocre live
band more often than not. On disc I love them. Don't forget Peace Sells
.... it's a top line effort if you ask me. It's probably my third fav of
theirs behind RIP and CTE.
>
>> I still would say Queensryche is my favorite of all time, but they
> are
>> nowhere near my list of current favorites.
>>
>
> Understandable. For me I put on my Quintessential Queensryche playlist
> and still nothing else on my entire iPod even touches it.
>
>>>>>
I'd still place two of their discs in my all time top 5. O:M at #1, and
Rage at probably #4. 7th Son from IM would make that list at #2, as would
RIP from Megadeth at #3. Master Of Puppets would probably be my #5.
>> > So if I had rate them in order:
>> >
>> > #1) Queensryche
>> > #2) Motley Crue
>> > #3) KISS
>> > #4) AC/DC
>> > #5) Metallica
>> > >>>>
In order for me
#1 Queensryche
#2 Megadeth
#3 Iron Maiden
#4 King Diamond
#5 Metallica
Britt
blackd...@mindspring.com
>KISS
>Hotter than Hell
>Dressed to Kill
>Alive!
>Double Platinum
>Destroyer
>Rock and Roll All Over
>Love Gun
>Alive II
>KISS Gene Simmons
>KISS Paul Stanley
>KISS Ace Frehley
>KISS Peter Criss
>Dynasty
>Music from the Elders
>Unmasked
>Lick it Up
>Assylum (?)
>Animalized
>
>Shaye...help me out here.....am I missin' anything?
lol, well off the top of my head, you missed a couple... and how about the
latter albums, which I'm not sure you meant to include anyway...
Killers
Creatures of the Night (how could you forget the album with I Love It Loud???)
Crazy Nights
Hot in the Shade
Revenge
Unplugged
Psycho Circus
Alive III
And then there was the unreleased/later released one with Bruce and Eric, I
think, but I don't recall its name. That's all I remember. Oh, and that
symphony thing. Did they call it Alive IV?
Shaye
blackd...@mindspring.com
>
><blackd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:42795a55...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>> To be honest, I haven't listened to them much over the past couple of
>albums,
>> but yeah, I like 'em pretty damn well.
>
>what is the last album of theirs that you heard?
Um... bloodletting? I think so, anyway, and I'm too lazy to go look. :)
>if you haven't seen it yet, i highly recommend picking up their dvd,
>"Wrecking Everything: An Evening in Asbury Park" it's a 2 disc dvd.
>concert is approx. 2 hours long, with 24 songs. the 2nd disc is a rather
>long interview/retrospective on the group. i highly recommend it.
Sounds interesting... I actually have several DVDs to pick up now... this, PoS,
Evergrey... seems like tehre was another one.
>in more Overkill news....they are rumored to possibly be a part of Dave
>Mustaine's "Gigantour" that is about to happen. that would instantly make
>that tour the best thing to happen all year, should they get offered this
>spot.
I'll go see it if it comes here, so that would be cool, but I'm not really nuts
about this whole 20 minutes thing that some of the bands will be playing.
Anything under 45 minutes seems silly to me, and under 30 a complete waste of
time, but then again, I knwo nothing about setting up and promoting a tour. :p
>finally....someone that agrees with me. DWD had its moments, but overall,
>even the best songs on it couldn't compare to the worst songs on a Jon
>Oliva-fronted Sava album.
Well, I don't know that I'm 100% on board there... I'm not fond at all of 90% of
Streets.
>in my opinion, the best part of DWD, and the
>albums afterward, was Al Pitrelli's guitar playing. Zak was just average,
>at best.
I enjoy Zak's voice, he just ain't Jon. And I know a lot of people are glad for
that, but not me. :)
>> Btw... hey! you! Offa my brainwave! ;)
>
>sheesh...i agree with her and she still won't share the brainwave. hmmmph.
lol, I only have so many!
Rager93
When was this released....I don't remember this one. Is there a KISS
album I didn't know about....NO!! Can't BE!!! :-)
> Creatures of the Night (how could you forget the album with I Love It
Loud???)
OH HELL!! Of course I had Creatures of the Night. Thanks
> Crazy Nights
> Hot in the Shade
> Revenge
> Unplugged
> Psycho Circus
> Alive III
Remembered all those but I was only listing the albums I bought. Never
bought these. I was well out of my KISS phase by then. Basically Lick
it Up was the last album by KISS I really dug. I bought the others
out of loyalty....much like I'm buying Queensryche albums these days.
But like with KISS I'm sure there'll come a day when that loyalty isn't
enough for me to buy their latest disc.
Thanks
Phil
DevilThorn
<blackd...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:427be3b2...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> >what is the last album of theirs that you heard?
> Um... bloodletting? I think so, anyway, and I'm too lazy to go look. :)
ahhh...there have only been 2 other albums since then (Killbox13, and the
new one ReliXIV) so you aren't too behind. had you been keeping with
everything before Bloodletting, or just listening sporadically albums here
and there?
> >if you haven't seen it yet, i highly recommend picking up their dvd,
> >"Wrecking Everything: An Evening in Asbury Park" it's a 2 disc dvd.
> >concert is approx. 2 hours long, with 24 songs. the 2nd disc is a rather
> >long interview/retrospective on the group. i highly recommend it.
> Sounds interesting... I actually have several DVDs to pick up now... this,
PoS,
> Evergrey... seems like tehre was another one.
having heard both of those bands, i'll honestly say the Overkill dvd should
be purchased first. :-)
> >in more Overkill news....they are rumored to possibly be a part of Dave
> >Mustaine's "Gigantour" that is about to happen. that would instantly
make
> >that tour the best thing to happen all year, should they get offered this
> >spot.
> I'll go see it if it comes here, so that would be cool, but I'm not really
nuts
> about this whole 20 minutes thing that some of the bands will be playing.
> Anything under 45 minutes seems silly to me, and under 30 a complete waste
of
> time, but then again, I knwo nothing about setting up and promoting a
tour. :p
i'm not too keen on it either, but i've never had the fortune to witness
Overkill live in person yet, so i'll take any amount of minutes there. I've
seen Nevermore live before, so i won't complain if it's only 45 minutes.
the only main stage band i haven't seen live yet is Dream Theater, so that's
the only one i care to see for any length of time. if Overkill doesn't get
added to the bill, though, then i'll have to consider if the concert is even
worth going to just to see Dream Theater. honestly, i don't think it will
be.
> >finally....someone that agrees with me. DWD had its moments, but
overall,
> >even the best songs on it couldn't compare to the worst songs on a Jon
> >Oliva-fronted Sava album.
> Well, I don't know that I'm 100% on board there... I'm not fond at all of
90% of
> Streets.
personally, Streets is their best album, in my opinion. Hall of the
Mountain King, Gutter Ballet, and Streets are the holy triumvirate of Sava
albums.
> >in my opinion, the best part of DWD, and the
> >albums afterward, was Al Pitrelli's guitar playing. Zak was just
average,
> >at best.
> I enjoy Zak's voice, he just ain't Jon. And I know a lot of people are
glad for
> that, but not me. :)
i can tolerate it....but the older i get, the less i like it. there's only
a handful of Zak songs that i actively like. however, i did finally think
of one (and ONLY one) song that Zak sung that is actually better than Jon's
songs....that would be "Shotgun Innocence"
> >> Btw... hey! you! Offa my brainwave! ;)
> >sheesh...i agree with her and she still won't share the brainwave.
hmmmph.
> lol, I only have so many!
understandable. don't worry, i was only renting the brainwave for an hour
or two....once you said you didn't like Streets, i hopped off quickly, and
ran the other way. haha. ;-)
Brent Wiescamp
>
> blackdiam...@mindspring.com wrote:
> > Killers
> ^^^^^^^
>
> When was this released....I don't remember this one. Is there a KISS
> album I didn't know about....NO!! Can't BE!!! :-)
>
It was released in '82. I remember it being a Japanese import. It's got a
few new tracks, some re-released stuff and one live track.
> > Crazy Nights
> > Hot in the Shade
> > Revenge
> > Unplugged
> > Psycho Circus
> > Alive III
>
> Remembered all those but I was only listing the albums I bought. Never
> bought these. I was well out of my KISS phase by then. Basically Lick
> it Up was the last album by KISS I really dug. I bought the others
> out of loyalty....much like I'm buying Queensryche albums these days.
> But like with KISS I'm sure there'll come a day when that loyalty isn't
> enough for me to buy their latest disc.
You should get the Unplugged one. It's got some pretty kick ass versions of
some of the oldies. My favorite has to be Goin' Blind.
blackd...@mindspring.com
>
>It was released in '82. I remember it being a Japanese import. It's got a
>few new tracks, some re-released stuff and one live track.
>You should get the Unplugged one. It's got some pretty kick ass versions of
>some of the oldies. My favorite has to be Goin' Blind.
>
What he said. :) The Unplugged stuff is what really pushed me from casual
listener into fandom. There were things on there I'd never heard before. I'm
partial to Sure Know Something. First complete song I learned how to play on
bass.
Roxanna
I can understand that too, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong
with it (at all). I was just surprised not to see SX on yours or Britt's.
The only thing I could say I've been listening to for 20 years is maybe
classical music. I have been listening to Rush for almost 12 - a lot long
than any of the other bands in my top 5 (even Maiden I've only been
listening to for about 5 years). And that does play a part in Rush being at
the top of the list - for those 12 years, their music has been with me
through it all. But Queensryche I've been listening to for about 11 years,
and they're definitely still up there for me. Hovering in the top 5.
Besides those two, the only bands I've been listening to for as long are
grunge bands that aren't together anymore (or suck), Aerosmith, and Sting
(both of whose new stuff I've stopped bothering). It just turns out that I
like this new stuff better than most of what I used to listen to. And I
respond more to it. In three short years Dream Theater has attained Rush
status, in that no matter what is going on in my life, I can listen to
anything from DT and feel better. Or if I'm in a good mood already, I can
listen to them and feel downright giddy. That deserves the #2 spot for me.
:)
Chris
Glenn
On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:01:43 -0400, "DevilThorn" <devil...@aol.com>
wrote:
>>finally....someone that agrees with me.
Chalk me up for a DWD fan and it being the best of the post-Jon-vox
period (putting aside his vox on two of the songs), but...
>>DWD had its moments, but overall,
>>even the best songs on it couldn't compare to the worst songs on a Jon
>>Oliva-fronted Sava album.
...I can't agree there. DWD also happens to be my favourite of all
Sava, and I have to agree with what Shaye said:
On Fri, 06 May 2005 21:41:04 GMT, blackd...@mindspring.com wrote:
>Well, I don't know that I'm 100% on board there... I'm not fond at all of 90% of
>Streets.
Likewise, that whole album never really did it for me at all!
Glenn
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Glenn
<pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design -- My favorite disc of the year so far.
>It's not for everyone in here since it contains a 50/50 mix of death/clean
>vox. The death vox are very well done, and for me they fit quite well into
>the songs. This is melodic death metal, and it's my favorite disc ever from
>this genre. It is extremely catchy, and it's one of those discs that the
>death vocal dislikers might tolerate well because the clean parts are so
>catchy, and the singer is very good.
Hmm I dunno what to make of all that... sounds like something that is
going to be hit and miss for me. The 'melodic death metal' tag gets
thrown around a lot thesedays and like any subgenre it just seems to
expand and expand. Nuclear Blast is still calling the likes of
Soilwork and In Flames melodic death and I think they are not
agressive enough and the vox not deathy enough to warrant it... seems
to me they are "alterna-metal" thesedays. Anyway enough moaning...
I guess on the very face of the description, this band is somewhat
like (or at least a lot more like) Into Eternity than say the latest
stuff from Dark Tranquillity or Arch Enemy. Not sure I'd dig - not
that IE is bad - and I do like the couple of Soilwork albums in the
middle of their catalogue... hmm never mind, I can't really afford to
go getting into yet another band if I do happen to like it! :)
>Bruce Dickinson -- Tyranny Of Souls -- This is Bruce's new one, and it's
>quite solid overall.
I'm waiting for the Jap version to pop up for sale somewhere... I was
hoping cdzone.co.uk might have listed it by now.
>Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster -- Similar to the past couple discs, but for me
>it's notch or two below.
I'd agree.
>Overall I'm dissapointed, but it could be that I've just tired a bit of
>Brainstorm. The songs just don't seem as memorable as the past few discs,
I suspect Brainstorm are kinda stuck just being Brainstorm, and don't
really have anywhere to go/progress to. Then again that works just
fine for a lot of euro melodic/power bands, but it'll mean they'll
never become truely classic.
>but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of blah. 6.5 of 10
Now that I've digested it some more I'd probably still give it
something like a 7.5/10. I think the better material is from track 4
onwards (when usually it's often the other way around), which is also
the faster/heavier/more straightforward kinda stuff. Exception being
'Heavenly' the big power ballad kind of track which I rate the best on
the album. That in itself might be an indication that it's not a
truely great album. But it's still a killer song and the sort of
thing one could only fantasize about singing to one's girlfriend with
any sort of skill at all ;-)
>Sentenced - The Funeral Album - This album is cold like all of their latest
>ones, and overall is boring to my ears. I just don't find them memorable
>overall.
A band that I like a fair bit but also were never going to escape from
the realm of pretty good & consistant, and into anything classic.
Having said that I am still looking forward to getting this album, no
reason I'm not going to like it after digging the last couple quite a
bit.
Who was the one recommending Wuthering Heights. I decided against my
better judgement (refer comment about not being able to afford to get
into more bands) to give them a try. Disappointed at first, perhaps
more than anything because they lack the lush sound of a bigger/more
sucessful/richer kind of band, but maybe that just says I'm being too
'safe' with the stuff I'm into thesedays and not trying out lesser
known stuff.
However it has certainly grown on me and the celtic kinda feel is
quite nice without being overdone. I still have some reservations
though - a couple of bits sound like they've been pasted in rather
than being a flowing part of the track (one of the outtro type pieces
in particular). Also not quite sure of "Bad Hobbit Die Hard" as a
track name, instrumental or not?! Weird :) I probably won't buy
another of their discs, but am not regretting this purchase either.
GoPack!!
"Glenn" <mstrglenn@.remove.this.yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:am6391p3987o7c9aa...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:34:54 GMT, "GoPack!!"
> <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Scar Symmetry -- Symmetric In Design -- My favorite disc of the year so
>>far.
>>It's not for everyone in here since it contains a 50/50 mix of death/clean
>>vox. The death vox are very well done, and for me they fit quite well
>>into
>>the songs. This is melodic death metal, and it's my favorite disc ever
>>from
>>this genre. It is extremely catchy, and it's one of those discs that the
>>death vocal dislikers might tolerate well because the clean parts are so
>>catchy, and the singer is very good.
>
> Hmm I dunno what to make of all that... sounds like something that is
> going to be hit and miss for me. The 'melodic death metal' tag gets
> thrown around a lot thesedays and like any subgenre it just seems to
> expand and expand. Nuclear Blast is still calling the likes of
> Soilwork and In Flames melodic death and I think they are not
> agressive enough and the vox not deathy enough to warrant it... seems
> to me they are "alterna-metal" thesedays. Anyway enough moaning...
> >>>>
Sorry to respond to this so late .... I missed it somehow.
As for Scar Symmetry the clean vocals are very catchy, upbeat, and pretty
commercial, but the death vocals are relatively harsh. They are a mid level
growl, but they are done well and most of the vocals can be made out
clearly. Scar Symmetry also uses some shrieking as well.
I would say SS is more melodic death than Soilwork or In Flames, because
Soilwork and In Flames don't seem to employ the growl style much if as all.
Both of those bands use more of a shrieking style, and I find that to be
more commercial than growls. For what it's worth everyone seems to want to
compare SS to Soilwork. I like SS better.
> I guess on the very face of the description, this band is somewhat
> like (or at least a lot more like) Into Eternity than say the latest
> stuff from Dark Tranquillity or Arch Enemy. Not sure I'd dig - not
> that IE is bad - and I do like the couple of Soilwork albums in the
> middle of their catalogue... hmm never mind, I can't really afford to
> go getting into yet another band if I do happen to like it! :)
> >>>>
The vocals style of SS are more similar to IE than the other two bands if
you ask me, but the music is a lot different. IE is kind of technical, and
SS is more melodic I guess.
SS was on Metal Blade, but now they have been inked to Nuclear Blast. They
are supposed to be getting a US release date pretty soon. I can't wait to
buy it.
>>Brainstorm -- Liquid Monster -- Similar to the past couple discs, but for
>>me
>>it's notch or two below.
>
> I'd agree.
>
>>Overall I'm dissapointed, but it could be that I've just tired a bit of
>>Brainstorm. The songs just don't seem as memorable as the past few discs,
>
> I suspect Brainstorm are kinda stuck just being Brainstorm, and don't
> really have anywhere to go/progress to. Then again that works just
> fine for a lot of euro melodic/power bands, but it'll mean they'll
> never become truely classic.
>
>>but overall a not a bad disc, just kind of blah. 6.5 of 10
>
> Now that I've digested it some more I'd probably still give it
> something like a 7.5/10. I think the better material is from track 4
> onwards (when usually it's often the other way around), which is also
> the faster/heavier/more straightforward kinda stuff. Exception being
> 'Heavenly' the big power ballad kind of track which I rate the best on
> the album. That in itself might be an indication that it's not a
> truely great album. But it's still a killer song and the sort of
> thing one could only fantasize about singing to one's girlfriend with
> any sort of skill at all ;-)
>
>>>>
I don't like that Heavenly tune at all, and when I first I heard it I
thought it sounded totally out of place. Andy B's voice on that one gets on
my nerves. Maybe if it was done by a different singer I'd like it better.
I like Andy B., but he should stay to more agressive stuff in my opinion.
> Who was the one recommending Wuthering Heights. I decided against my
> better judgement (refer comment about not being able to afford to get
> into more bands) to give them a try. Disappointed at first, perhaps
> more than anything because they lack the lush sound of a bigger/more
> sucessful/richer kind of band, but maybe that just says I'm being too
> 'safe' with the stuff I'm into thesedays and not trying out lesser
> known stuff.
> However it has certainly grown on me and the celtic kinda feel is
> quite nice without being overdone. I still have some reservations
> though - a couple of bits sound like they've been pasted in rather
> than being a flowing part of the track (one of the outtro type pieces
> in particular). Also not quite sure of "Bad Hobbit Die Hard" as a
> track name, instrumental or not?! Weird :) I probably won't buy
> another of their discs, but am not regretting this purchase either.
>
>
> Glenn
Brent might have been the WH guy. I'm not much into them. They are good
live, and they do have their moments, but for some reason it just never
really clicks for me.
My recommendation for this week is the 2003 release - Scariot - Strange To
Numbers. I just downloaded it the other day and I liked it right away, and
have been playing the hell out of it. I placed my order for it yesterday.
It's kind of Nevermorish here and there, but not much really. The singer is
the same guy from Communic, and he sounds a lot like Warrell Dane. I
thought he was kind of clonish sounding on the Communic disc, but on the
Scariot disc it didn't bother me quite as much.
I do like the Communic disc, but I prefer this Scariot release because it's
way more agressive. Communic seemed to me like they holding back, while
Scariot - Strange To Numbers is more unleashed.
Scariot is still around and working on a new disc, but the singer has went
to Communic full time. Scariot is basically one full time guy (Daniel
Olaison) now, but Oyvind Haegland of Arcturus is laying down the vocals, and
Steve DiGeorgio is doing the bass work for the upcoming studio release.
I'll be waiting to check that one out.
Brent Wiescamp
>
> "Glenn" <mstrglenn@.remove.this.yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:am6391p3987o7c9aa...@4ax.com...
> you ask me, but the music is a lot different. IE is kind of technical,
and
> SS is more melodic I guess.
>
> SS was on Metal Blade, but now they have been inked to Nuclear Blast.
They
> are supposed to be getting a US release date pretty soon. I can't wait to
> buy it.
>
I'll be in line to buy this one as well. It kicks ass.
> Brent might have been the WH guy.
I hope not. If it was me then I had a backup of cranial gas at the time.
They're fine but I doubt I'd ever pick up anything of theirs again.
> It's kind of Nevermorish here and there, but not much really. The singer
is
> the same guy from Communic, and he sounds a lot like Warrell Dane. I
> thought he was kind of clonish sounding on the Communic disc, but on the
> Scariot disc it didn't bother me quite as much.
>
> I do like the Communic disc, but I prefer this Scariot release because
it's
> way more agressive. Communic seemed to me like they holding back, while
> Scariot - Strange To Numbers is more unleashed.
>
Interesting. I like the Communic that you sent me and I like the vocalist ok
too. I'll have to listen to it again with what you said in mind.
I'm going through what you sent me and working up a bit of a review as we
speak. It'll prolly be sometime tomorrow before I can finish it off.
GoPack!!
>
> "GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:oKrne.34258$GN3.8522@trnddc04...
>>
>> "Glenn" <mstrglenn@.remove.this.yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
>> news:am6391p3987o7c9aa...@4ax.com...
>> The vocals style of SS are more similar to IE than the other two bands if
>> you ask me, but the music is a lot different. IE is kind of technical,
> and
>> SS is more melodic I guess.
>>
>> SS was on Metal Blade, but now they have been inked to Nuclear Blast.
> They
>> are supposed to be getting a US release date pretty soon. I can't wait
>> to
>> buy it.
>>
>
> I'll be in line to buy this one as well. It kicks ass.
> >>>>>
Cool !! I'm glad you are digging that one. I played the hell out of it for
months and it got better and better. It's very well done, and interesting
if you ask me. It's still my #1 this year I think.
>> Brent might have been the WH guy.
>
> I hope not. If it was me then I had a backup of cranial gas at the time.
> They're fine but I doubt I'd ever pick up anything of theirs again.
> >>>>
Okay, it probably wasn't you. I just recalled you kind of liking Far From
The Madding Crowd and thought you might have recommended it. By the way
.... what in the hell does that title mean? What is Madding ?
>> It's kind of Nevermorish here and there, but not much really. The singer
> is
>> the same guy from Communic, and he sounds a lot like Warrell Dane. I
>> thought he was kind of clonish sounding on the Communic disc, but on the
>> Scariot disc it didn't bother me quite as much.
>>
>> I do like the Communic disc, but I prefer this Scariot release because
> it's
>> way more agressive. Communic seemed to me like they holding back, while
>> Scariot - Strange To Numbers is more unleashed.
>>
>
> Interesting. I like the Communic that you sent me and I like the vocalist
> ok
> too. I'll have to listen to it again with what you said in mind.
> >>>>
I just bought the Scariot disc from The End, and was hoping to buy Communic
too, but it's not available right now. The End and The Lasers Edge had it
for a while, but must have sold it out. Hopefully it will come available
again. I think it's a safe bet that if you like Communic you would also
like Scariot.
> I'm going through what you sent me and working up a bit of a review as we
> speak. It'll prolly be sometime tomorrow before I can finish it off.
>
>
I love when people give me reviews of the things I send them. I like to
keep a mental count of what people like and dislike, and see how their
thoughts compare to mine. A lot of here have similar tastes, but we all are
struck more by certain things than others. It's cool to get a feel for
others opinions.
Britt
Brent Wiescamp
>
> "Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:119un8u...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "GoPack!!" <pack....@nospamverizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:oKrne.34258$GN3.8522@trnddc04...
> >>
> >> "Glenn" <mstrglenn@.remove.this.yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
> >> news:am6391p3987o7c9aa...@4ax.com...
> >> The vocals style of SS are more similar to IE than the other two bands
if
> >> you ask me, but the music is a lot different. IE is kind of technical,
> > and
> >> SS is more melodic I guess.
> >>
> >> SS was on Metal Blade, but now they have been inked to Nuclear Blast.
> > They
> >> are supposed to be getting a US release date pretty soon. I can't wait
> >> to
> >> buy it.
> >>
> >
> > I'll be in line to buy this one as well. It kicks ass.
> > >>>>>
>
> Cool !! I'm glad you are digging that one. I played the hell out of it
for
> months and it got better and better. It's very well done, and
interesting
> if you ask me. It's still my #1 this year I think.
>
I play it every day. The opening is simply madding and it progresses nicely
from there. Never thought I'd get into anything death. I listened to Opeth's
Still Life again the other day and liked it a whole lot better than I had in
the past. Greg had suggested listening to it in a dark room with headphones.
I got the headphones part but it was outside in the daylight while using a
Skil saw to hack up lattice. The buzz saw effect was nice, actually. Metal
Shop. The only show with teeth.
>
> >> Brent might have been the WH guy.
> >
> > I hope not. If it was me then I had a backup of cranial gas at the time.
> > They're fine but I doubt I'd ever pick up anything of theirs again.
> > >>>>
>
> Okay, it probably wasn't you. I just recalled you kind of liking Far From
> The Madding Crowd and thought you might have recommended it. By the way
> .... what in the hell does that title mean? What is Madding ?
>
In a state of frenzy; frenzied. Marked by extreme excitement, confusion, or
agitation: delirious, frantic, frenetic, frenzied, mad, wild.
They were so madding about being far from an extremely excited crowd that
they used it to title their album. Yes, they do in fact like playing in
front of a crowd that sits in their seats, keeps their mouths shut, and golf
claps at the conclusion of each song. Far from a madding crowd.
> >>
> >> I do like the Communic disc, but I prefer this Scariot release because
> > it's
> >> way more agressive. Communic seemed to me like they holding back,
while
> >> Scariot - Strange To Numbers is more unleashed.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting. I like the Communic that you sent me and I like the
vocalist
> > ok
> > too. I'll have to listen to it again with what you said in mind.
> > >>>>
>
> I just bought the Scariot disc from The End, and was hoping to buy
Communic
> too, but it's not available right now. The End and The Lasers Edge had it
> for a while, but must have sold it out. Hopefully it will come available
> again. I think it's a safe bet that if you like Communic you would also
> like Scariot.
>
That's enough for me. It's been over a month since I ordered from The End.
'Bout time to rectify that.
>
> > I'm going through what you sent me and working up a bit of a review as
we
> > speak. It'll prolly be sometime tomorrow before I can finish it off.
> >
> >
>
> I love when people give me reviews of the things I send them. I like to
> keep a mental count of what people like and dislike, and see how their
> thoughts compare to mine. A lot of here have similar tastes, but we all
are
> struck more by certain things than others. It's cool to get a feel for
> others opinions.
I'm working on it, honest. It's been a little crazy around here all of a
sudden. We had a cloudburst on Friday afternoon and I was busy clearing
gutters in the rain. Fun stuff, that. Madding even. On top of that I had to
ford a coupla flash flooded country roads on my way to Denver to pick up my
wife and her mother from the airport.
GoPack!!
"Brent Wiescamp" <wies...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Cool !! I'm glad you are digging that one. I played the hell out of it
> for
>> months and it got better and better. It's very well done, and
> interesting
>> if you ask me. It's still my #1 this year I think.
>>
>
> I play it every day. The opening is simply madding and it progresses
> nicely
> from there. Never thought I'd get into anything death. I listened to
> Opeth's
> Still Life again the other day and liked it a whole lot better than I had
> in
> the past. Greg had suggested listening to it in a dark room with
> headphones.
> I got the headphones part but it was outside in the daylight while using a
> Skil saw to hack up lattice. The buzz saw effect was nice, actually. Metal
> Shop. The only show with teeth.
>
>>>>
I think Still Life is killer. It's just might be in my top 10-15 discs
ever. I think it's an incredible disc. Another death disc I've been
getting into of late is November's Doom's latest ... The Pale Haunt
Departure. It has some similarities here and there to Opeth's Still Life ,
but pales in comparison .. no pun intended. Still, it's a very good disc,
and it's been one of my favorities this year. I think Greg said it best
about two or three years ago when he said some of the death stuff is just
more interesting than the run of the mill power and prog stuff over and over
again. I noticed my top 10-15 lists each year are becoming more filled with
death type stuff than anything almost.
>> >> Brent might have been the WH guy.
>> >
>> > I hope not. If it was me then I had a backup of cranial gas at the
>> > time.
>> > They're fine but I doubt I'd ever pick up anything of theirs again.
>> > >>>>
>>
>> Okay, it probably wasn't you. I just recalled you kind of liking Far
>> From
>> The Madding Crowd and thought you might have recommended it. By the way
>> .... what in the hell does that title mean? What is Madding ?
>>
>
> In a state of frenzy; frenzied. Marked by extreme excitement, confusion,
> or
> agitation: delirious, frantic, frenetic, frenzied, mad, wild.
>
> They were so madding about being far from an extremely excited crowd that
> they used it to title their album. Yes, they do in fact like playing in
> front of a crowd that sits in their seats, keeps their mouths shut, and
> golf
> claps at the conclusion of each song. Far from a madding crowd.
>
>> >>
I'll be damned, it really is a word. I have never heard it used by anyone
before, but theres lots of words I can say that about I guess. I thought
they just didn't understand the language real well, and actually meant
maddening.
>> > I'm going through what you sent me and working up a bit of a review as
> we
>> > speak. It'll prolly be sometime tomorrow before I can finish it off.
>> >
>> >>>>
Tomorrow was a week ago I think !!
>>
>> I love when people give me reviews of the things I send them. I like to
>> keep a mental count of what people like and dislike, and see how their
>> thoughts compare to mine. A lot of here have similar tastes, but we all
> are
>> struck more by certain things than others. It's cool to get a feel for
>> others opinions.
>
> I'm working on it, honest. It's been a little crazy around here all of a
> sudden. We had a cloudburst on Friday afternoon and I was busy clearing
> gutters in the rain. Fun stuff, that. Madding even. On top of that I had
> to
> ford a coupla flash flooded country roads on my way to Denver to pick up
> my
> wife and her mother from the airport.
>
>>>>>
No problem, man. You'll get around to it eventually.
Brent Wiescamp
>
> I think Still Life is killer. It's just might be in my top 10-15 discs
> ever. I think it's an incredible disc. Another death disc I've been
> getting into of late is November's Doom's latest ... The Pale Haunt
> Departure. It has some similarities here and there to Opeth's Still Life
,
> but pales in comparison .. no pun intended. Still, it's a very good disc,
> and it's been one of my favorities this year.
Cool! I was planning on picking up Blackwater Park so I may as well throw
November's Doom in while I'm at it.
> I think Greg said it best
> about two or three years ago when he said some of the death stuff is just
> more interesting than the run of the mill power and prog stuff over and
over
> again. I noticed my top 10-15 lists each year are becoming more filled
with
> death type stuff than anything almost.
>
I'm still finding it a little odd that I'm ok with the death vox. It's
different and adds a bit of a different dimension. I don't think I'll ever
switch over to all death vox bands but it certainly expands the
possibilities for listenable material.
>
> I'll be damned, it really is a word. I have never heard it used by anyone
> before, but theres lots of words I can say that about I guess.
Yeah, me too. In fact after I looked it up I started using "madding" a
little too much. I got some weird looks here and there. Fortunately I didn't
use it in mixed company or I might have been committed to an institution by
now.
> I thought
> they just didn't understand the language real well, and actually meant
> maddening.
>
A fair guess, I'd say. Considering all the English as a Second Language
bands that are available and the bastardizations of the language in the
lyrics from time to time, a very fair guess indeed.
>
> Tomorrow was a week ago I think !!
>
Gah!
> No problem, man. You'll get around to it eventually.
Check it -- it's there!