OT - Fox News Democrats
83LowRider
in a month than anybody on MSNBC and CNN talks
to in a year."
"Is there a difference between Fox and MSNBC?" he
(Lanny Davis - former WH council for Bill Clinton) asked.
"You count the number of guests on Rachel [Maddow] and
Keith [Olbermann] who are conservative Republicans. If
you get to double digits, I'll buy you dinner for each one."
Democratic pollster Doug Schoen - "They are the most
professional network of any I have dealt with," he said.
"If you are a Democrat who wants to deliver mindless talking
points on Fox, it's probably best to go to MSBNC and hope
you get a chance to recite them. I think Fox encourages
critical views of all sides, asks different kinds of questions
and wants to have diversity of view."
a 2008 Pew Research survey found that while almost half of
viewers who regularly watch Fox News identify as Republican
or Republican leaning, 39 percent tip Democratic and 12 percent
have no stated angle at all.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091101/pl_politico/28999
El Jefe
The defense of Fox is always that it's the most watched, has the
highest ratings, etc.
Going that "logic", one can say that American Idol is a top tier place
to go for music.
"I think Fox encourages critical views of all sides, asks different
kinds of questions and wants to have diversity of view."
That's the best laugh I've had in quite awhile. :-)
El Jefe
Broncofan
When the fourth estate has abandoned their duties and has given Obama
a complete free pass, why begrudge one fucking network that you feel,
doesn't?
Get a life, shithead.
El Jefe
> When the fourth estate has abandoned their duties and has given Obama
> a complete free pass, why begrudge one fucking network that you feel,
> doesn't?
>
> Get a life, shithead.
When that network is full of lies, distortions, and paranoia, I'll
begrudge it all I want to, jizz licker.
Now please, show me *one* network that has given Obama a free pass.
Just *one* that hasn't been critical.
I'll be waiting.
Quite a long time.
El Jefe
Carl
<spaci...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 2, 1:59�pm, "83LowRider" <nohopen...@nge.com> wrote:
>
>The defense of Fox is always that it's the most watched, has the
>highest ratings, etc.
Oh, so what didn't you understand about Olbermann and Maddow not
having many Republican guests or encouraging all different kinds of
questions and viewpoints?
Are you some fucking moron that can't read?
Oh yeah.....you are....sorry....
Carl
Unfortunately, for El Jefgay, this is his life.
83LowRider
"El Jefe" wrote
> The defense of Fox is always that it's the most watched, has the
> highest ratings, etc.
> Going that "logic", one can say that American Idol is a top tier place
> to go for music.
American Idol is the highest rated entertainment program.
Oprah is the highest rated talk show. I don't go to either,
for entertainment or advice.
> "I think Fox encourages critical views of all sides, asks different
> kinds of questions and wants to have diversity of view."
> That's the best laugh I've had in quite awhile. :-)
All the quotes I put up came from the mouths of democratic
leaders.
El Jefe
> American Idol is the highest rated entertainment program.
> Oprah is the highest rated talk show. I don't go to either,
> for entertainment or advice.
Nor should you. Point being, Fox may have high ratings, but that
doesn't mean it's balanced, informative or worthwhile.
Example: Wallace interviews Limbaugh and totally softballs it. Might
as well have just had Limbaugh drop his pants and show Wallace kissing
his ass. And unlike a Hannity or O'Reilly, Wallace is supposed to be
an actual journalist presenting actual news.
> All the quotes I put up came from the mouths of democratic
> leaders.
And they was just as funny as if they were to come from republicans. A
load of shit is a load of shit, no matter who spreads their ass cheeks
and lets it spew forth.
Democratic pollsters/pundits under contract with Fox proceeding to
compliment Fox really doesn't say a whole lot, does it?
El Jefe
83LowRider
"El Jefe" wrote
>> American Idol is the highest rated entertainment program.
>> Oprah is the highest rated talk show. I don't go to either,
>> for entertainment or advice.
> Nor should you. Point being, Fox may have high ratings, but that
> doesn't mean it's balanced, informative or worthwhile.
Ratings were never the point of the post. Every music newsgroup
agrees that the masses are bland and generic for the most part.
From Britney to American Idol to the endless reality shows.
The story is that of the (many) dems Fox employs. You cannot
find a likewise number of conservative views at ABC, CBS, NBC,
MSNBC, CNN, or any other major news outlet. None of them.
> Example: Wallace interviews Limbaugh and totally softballs it. Might
> as well have just had Limbaugh drop his pants and show Wallace kissing
> his ass. And unlike a Hannity or O'Reilly, Wallace is supposed to be
> an actual journalist presenting actual news.
Last I was aware Limbaugh was an entertainer, not a politician. Limbaugh is
a pig to me, not because of his political bias (that's his job and his
beliefs),
but because of his demeanor and attitude, his addiction to oxycodone while
berating someone who would smoke a joint. If I was reading the text of RL,
not knowing who wrote it, I'd probably agree with 70% of his points tho.
Likewise, in the same manner, I'd probably agree with Olbermann 30%.
I saw many political interviews during the election period. Katie Couric
drilled
Palin and fawned all over Obama, as did all the other networks. From
Meredith Vierra to Charlie Gibson. Chris Matthews got a tingle up his leg
for chrissakes.. No, there is no arguement whatsoever that all the major
networks were in the bag for the dems.
>> All the quotes I put up came from the mouths of democratic
>> leaders.
> And they was just as funny as if they were to come from republicans. A
> load of shit is a load of shit, no matter who spreads their ass cheeks
> and lets it spew forth.
Those quoted in the article, that work at Fox are:
Bob Beckel - Democrat strategist who worked for Robert F. Kennedy
and ran Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign,
part of the Carter admin.
Lanny Davis - no one could be more democratic then Lanny.. see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanny_Davis
Muskie campaign, 3 terms on the DMC, etc
Susan Estrich - feminist advocate, Hillary supporter -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Estrich
Peter Fenn - first Executive Director of Democrats for the 80s,
lead media consultants for the Democratic
Congressional
Campaign Committee, an adviser to Gore for
President in
2000, and Kerry in 2006
http://www.politico.com/arena/bio/peter_fenn.html
> Democratic pollsters/pundits under contract with Fox proceeding to
> compliment Fox really doesn't say a whole lot, does it?
The man you are speaking of (another one quoted) is Douglas Schoen:
"one of the most influential Democratic campaign
consultants for over thirty years." and worked on
Bill
Clinton's 1996 reelection campaign.
http://www.powerofthevote.com/about_doug_schoen.php
None of these are talking heads, but are in fact political heavyweights in
the democratic party. Show me any similar number of conservative
views on the other networks. And if you read the article, it certainly told
of pissed dems on the network as well.
El Jefe
> The story is that of the (many) dems Fox employs. You cannot
> find a likewise number of conservative views at ABC, CBS, NBC,
> MSNBC, CNN, or any other major news outlet. None of them.
And how much influence do those dems have as Fox employees, really?
How much does Fox do to promote not only "conservative" views (don't
think many true conservatives would agree with the Fox agenda, hence
the quotation marks) but the liberal/democratic views they're
supposedly so swell for having?
They don't. Period.
Who are Fox's heavy hitters, the ones that really draw the ratings?
Hannity. Beck. O'Reilly. They may have dems/liberals on their shows,
but they're only there to be shot down, interrupted, dismissed and
told to shut up. Simply having a guest on ≠ giving their views equal
weight.
I look around at the other networks. Who do I see? Dick Cheney. Liz
Cheney. Pat Buchanan. Karl Rove. John McCain. Newt Gingrich. All. The.
Fucking. Time.
> Last I was aware Limbaugh was an entertainer, not a politician. Limbaugh is
> a pig to me, not because of his political bias (that's his job and his
> beliefs),
> but because of his demeanor and attitude, his addiction to oxycodone while
> berating someone who would smoke a joint. If I was reading the text of RL,
> not knowing who wrote it, I'd probably agree with 70% of his points tho.
> Likewise, in the same manner, I'd probably agree with Olbermann 30%.
RL may not be a politician, but he may as well be one given the
influence he appears to have. Again, I point to the fact that repubs
have felt a need to apologize to him for rightly calling him out on
his bullshit.
As for how much you'd agree with him...I won't go there so as to
remain civil. :-)
> I saw many political interviews during the election period. Katie Couric
> drilled
> Palin and fawned all over Obama, as did all the other networks. From
> Meredith Vierra to Charlie Gibson. Chris Matthews got a tingle up his leg
> for chrissakes.. No, there is no arguement whatsoever that all the major
> networks were in the bag for the dems.
KC "drilled" Palin? Really? Don't think so. She hadn't been made
available for interviews prior and was asked some very legitimate
questions, which she couldn't even answer. A woman no one had ever
heard of before and knew nothing about is suddenly in a position to
become VP, and some actual questions = being drilled? Come on.
I will agree that the the media favored Obama in general prior to the
election. But that has long since passed.
> Those quoted in the article, that work at Fox are:
>
> Bob Beckel - Democrat strategist who worked for Robert F. Kennedy
> and ran Walter Mondale's 1984 presidential campaign,
> part of the Carter admin.
>
> Lanny Davis - no one could be more democratic then Lanny.. see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanny_Davis
> Muskie campaign, 3 terms on the DMC, etc
>
> Susan Estrich - feminist advocate, Hillary supporter -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Estrich
>
> Peter Fenn - first Executive Director of Democrats for the 80s,
> lead media consultants for the Democratic
> Congressional
> Campaign Committee, an adviser to Gore for
> President in
> 2000, and Kerry in 2006
> http://www.politico.com/arena/bio/peter_fenn.html
See above. What influence are they having on Fox? Not much, if
anything at all.
> The man you are speaking of (another one quoted) is Douglas Schoen:
> "one of the most influential Democratic campaign
> consultants for over thirty years." and worked on
> Bill
> Clinton's 1996 reelection campaign.
> http://www.powerofthevote.com/about_doug_schoen.php
>
> None of these are talking heads, but are in fact political heavyweights in
> the democratic party. Show me any similar number of conservative
> views on the other networks. And if you read the article, it certainly told
> of pissed dems on the network as well.
I'm still waiting for someone to show me where all these overtly
liberal views that outbalance conservative views are. Care to help me?
El Jefe
mss
83LowRider wrote:
> a 2008 Pew Research survey found that while almost half of
> viewers who regularly watch Fox News identify as Republican
> or Republican leaning, 39 percent tip Democratic and 12 percent
> have no stated angle at all.
Good grief man... 83, do you honestly belive what a single report
says without consulting multiple sources? Would you have surgery
without a 2nd opinion?
You come across as such a bright guy, I don't understand your point
of view. No disrespect intended, but if you would only stop & realize
that by posting items such as that, it only tears folks down. Why?
In the spirit of sharing, let me show you something, I'm hoping you'll
at least think about the concept...
The most unbiased method of reading the news is 'object based', and
google news is object based:
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn
(you'll need a monospaced font like 'courier' to view this diagram)
BBC
|
FOX - OBJ - MSNBC
|
AL JAZEERA
By using the metaphor of an object with several satellites in its orbit,
you can get closer to the untainted truth than any other method mankind
has yet developed. For instance, if you read something about conflict in
the middle east, yet fail to read the thoughts & opinions of folks who
actually live in that part of the world, one lacks the 'big picture'.
--
later on,
Mike
--
later on,
Mike
83LowRider
"El Jefe" wrote
> And how much influence do those dems have as Fox employees, really?
They are not there for 'influence', they are paid to promote their views.
> How much does Fox do to promote not only "conservative" views (don't
> think many true conservatives would agree with the Fox agenda, hence
> the quotation marks) but the liberal/democratic views they're
> supposedly so swell for having?
> They don't. Period.
There is no dispute from anyone I know as to how Fox leans.
The point of the article was they offer more opposing views
than any other network. At least three surveys have said
as much.
> Who are Fox's heavy hitters, the ones that really draw the ratings?
> Hannity. Beck. O'Reilly. They may have dems/liberals on their shows,
> but they're only there to be shot down, interrupted, dismissed and
> told to shut up. Simply having a guest on ? giving their views equal
> weight.
The dems mentioned would not take to being told to shut up, and
are far too smart to be played as fools. The article said as much.
> I look around at the other networks. Who do I see? Dick Cheney. Liz
> Cheney. Pat Buchanan. Karl Rove. John McCain. Newt Gingrich. All. The.
> Fucking. Time.
Not the same in any way (except for recently Buchanan). You're giving
examples of interviews. Name any other station with 5 known
conservatives on their payroll.
> RL may not be a politician, but he may as well be one given the
> influence he appears to have. Again, I point to the fact that repubs
> have felt a need to apologize to him for rightly calling him out on
> his bullshit.
> As for how much you'd agree with him...I won't go there so as to
> remain civil. :-)
Many republicans do not associate with RL, same as many
dems do not follow the path of Reed or Pelosi. And again, you
are speaking of influence. Oprah stood by Obamas side,
I never saw RL give a speech for McCain or Huckabee.
> KC "drilled" Palin? Really? Don't think so. She hadn't been made
> available for interviews prior and was asked some very legitimate
> questions, which she couldn't even answer. A woman no one had ever
> heard of before and knew nothing about is suddenly in a position to
> become VP, and some actual questions = being drilled? Come on.
The major networks interviewing McCain or Palin conducted those
interviews like they had a smudge of shit under their nose.
Attitude and arrogance..
> I will agree that the the media favored Obama in general prior to the
> election. But that has long since passed.
Totally wrong. Watch NBC or MSNBC news. Obama still gets a
pass. On virtually everything from adding troops to a health bill
that Obama promised would be open to see in front of the
C-Span cameras.
> See above. What influence are they having on Fox? Not much, if
> anything at all.
All surveys say Fox viewers are 30-36% democrat. The dem
pundits on payroll are there to present their opinions. That
is pretty clearcut and straight forward.
> I'm still waiting for someone to show me where all these overtly
> liberal views that outbalance conservative views are. Care to help me?
I never said that it was 'equal', or anything else for that matter. I
merely posted the news article. There is no other network that
even attempts to match the opposing views that Fox does.
Again, name 5 conservatives that are part of the staff on any
other network.
83LowRider
"Heat Seaker" wrote
> lowrider, why do you bother with caffeine or jefe or whoever the fuck
> it is today, at all? I just dont get it. Its the same argument between
> you two, over and over.
lol..
I love the pain??
need typing practice??
just enjoy getting the left riled??
all the above??
Seriously.. I just posted an article.. I didn't add any opinion or
comment on it in any way in the original post. I suppose
it's easier for Jefe to argue with me than it is with the article. :)
83LowRider
"Heat Seaker" wrote
> I've posted plenty of articles in here. I know right away what Jefes
> reaction will be, and I ignore it. Theres no point in discussing it
> with Jefe/Caffeine/whatever the fuck it calls itself today.... with
> other people, i will.
I think after the election, we all pretty much know which way
the others lean.. 98% of all reactions are stamped in stone
at this point. That includes politics, religion, and yes,
even Kiss. :op
Ya gotta stir the proverbial pot occasionally tho, as it seems
Sonic Boom and Anamoly are about played out. Maybe
Peter will do the biggest comeback in hard rock history, or
we'll get another Kiss or Ace album in the next year..! Both are
about as likely as making steve smarter, bronco less gay,
or AJ into a liberal.
< is that enough stirring ?? >
lugnut
And everytime I see this criticism towards Maddow, I can't help but
think those making it probably haven't seen her show much. Olbermann,
sure - he's the left-leaning version of a Limbaugh or Hannity.
Maddow, though, has guests with an opposing viewpoint on all the time
- she seems to enjoy the argument.
-lugnut
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:53:16 -0800, Carl <ct...@libssuck.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:50:44 -0800 (PST), El Jefe
>><spaci...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 2, 1:59ÔøΩpm, "83LowRider" <nohopen...@nge.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The defense of Fox is always that it's the most watched, has the
>>>highest ratings, etc.
>>
>>
>>Oh, so what didn't you understand about Olbermann and Maddow not
>>having many Republican guests or encouraging all different kinds of
>>questions and viewpoints?
>>
>>Are you some fucking moron that can't read?
>>
>>Oh yeah.....you are....sorry....
>
>And everytime I see this criticism towards Maddow, I can't help but
>think those making it probably haven't seen her show much. Olbermann,
>sure - he's the left-leaning version of a Limbaugh or Hannity.
>Maddow, though, has guests with an opposing viewpoint on all the time
>- she seems to enjoy the argument.
Maddow is a dullard that barks out. When she was on Air America, I
used to listen to her ridiculous show every morning. She never took
calls, so no one ever called her on her ridiculous opinions. I always
thought of her as a frightened coward.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:53:16 -0800, Carl <ct...@libssuck.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:50:44 -0800 (PST), El Jefe
>><spaci...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 2, 1:59ÔøΩpm, "83LowRider" <nohopen...@nge.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The defense of Fox is always that it's the most watched, has the
>>>highest ratings, etc.
>>
>>
>>Oh, so what didn't you understand about Olbermann and Maddow not
>>having many Republican guests or encouraging all different kinds of
>>questions and viewpoints?
>>
>>Are you some fucking moron that can't read?
>>
>>Oh yeah.....you are....sorry....
>
>And everytime I see this criticism towards Maddow, I can't help but
>think those making it probably haven't seen her show much. Olbermann,
>sure - he's the left-leaning version of a Limbaugh or Hannity.
>Maddow, though, has guests with an opposing viewpoint on all the time
>- she seems to enjoy the argument.
I've never SEEN her show, just listened to that abortion she did on
the radio.
Broncofan
<spaci...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 2, 7:23�pm, Broncofan wrote:
>
>> When the fourth estate has abandoned their duties and has given Obama
>> a complete free pass, why begrudge one fucking network that you feel,
>> doesn't?
>>
>> Get a life, shithead.
>
>When that network is full of lies, distortions, and paranoia, I'll
>begrudge it all I want to, jizz licker.
Prove it. All I see on your part are gratuitous assertions, ass
plower.
>
>Now please, show me *one* network that has given Obama a free pass.
>Just *one* that hasn't been critical.
MSNBC CBS ABC CNN
None of them mentioned that while two movies stars were visiting the
whitehouse. so where sharpton, Jackson, Bill ayers, and reverend
Jerimiah right. They left out all the controversial people. Every last
one of the networks did so. They don't call him out on how congress
exempts themselves from the health care bill that's supposedly so
great. they don't point out that even though the democrats say that
this bill is needed immediately and is very important that it get done
now, that even if it passes, it won't start until 2013. AFTER the
re-election. Knowing damn good and well it's done that way that in
case it flops, it won't affect Obama's re-election. If a republican
was doing it, they'd be all over it. there are hundreds of examples. I
don't have all the time in the world to list them.
>
>I'll be waiting.
>
>Quite a long time.
>
Not long at all. You refuse to listen. You're blinded by stupidity and
partisan loyalty to a party that would let your Mother or Grandmother
die after what they consider "enough" money has been spent on her and
she's too old to receive any more care. It is in the bill.
>El Jefe
El Jefe
> Seriously.. I just posted an article.. I didn't add any opinion or
> comment on it in any way in the original post. I suppose
> it's easier for Jefe to argue with me than it is with the article. :)
Except -- I didn't start out "arguing" with you. I made a few
comments, and *you* chose to respond to them.
The article itself, eh. Sorry, but I don't see any democratic views/
opinions being "promoted" on Fox.
I guess the view from the right is different.
El Jefe
El Jefe
> I've posted plenty of articles in here. I know right away what Jefes
> reaction will be, and I ignore it. Theres no point in discussing it
> with Jefe/Caffeine/whatever the fuck it calls itself today.... with
> other people, i will.
And I am *so* very deeply hurt that I'm not getting the benefit of
your "wisdom", Meat Seeker. Whenever I hear "Kiss Me Deadly", I think
of you and shed a tear...
El Jefe
El Jefe
> Prove it. All I see on your part are gratuitous assertions, ass
> plower.
Countless others have provided plenty of proof. Try doing some
research -- you know, beyond figuring out how to seduce little boys.
> MSNBC CBS ABC CNN
15 seconds. That's how long it took me to find a PDF file of the
visitor list on MSNBC's web site.
> None of them mentioned that while two movies stars were visiting the
> whitehouse. so where sharpton, Jackson, Bill ayers, and reverend
> Jerimiah right. They left out all the controversial people. Every last
> one of the networks did so.
False positives. Look it up and get a clue. Some of the names used
were not the actual people.
> They don't call him out on how congress
> exempts themselves from the health care bill that's supposedly so
> great. they don't point out that even though the democrats say that
> this bill is needed immediately and is very important that it get done
> now, that even if it passes, it won't start until 2013. AFTER the
> re-election. Knowing damn good and well it's done that way that in
> case it flops, it won't affect Obama's re-election.
No, all they do is point how it's in jeopardy, the public option is
dead, DEATH PANELS!!!
Yeah, they're really just pushing his agenda on this.
> If a republican was doing it, they'd be all over it.
LOL! A republican wouldn't be trying to reform health care. They never
have.
> Not long at all. You refuse to listen. You're blinded by stupidity and
> partisan loyalty to a party that would let your Mother or Grandmother
> die after what they consider "enough" money has been spent on her and
> she's too old to receive any more care. It is in the bill.
You're clueless. Find a rich young man to settle down with, because
that's your only hope at this point.
El Jefe
Broncofan
wait for it
wait for it
be patient.
just a little bit longer
PLONK
AJ
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for
everyone.
A conservative sees a foreign threat and thinks about how to defeat
his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of
government protection.
A down-and-out conservative thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If conservatives doesn't like a talk show host, they switches
channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
A conservative non-believer simpy doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and
is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in
labor and then sues.
El Jefe
Oh, NO!! What will I do? The Seducer of Little Boys has (supposedly)
killfiled me!
Somehow...must...go on....
El Jefe
FVH
stalks his "prey". Oh wait, that only applies to you, Killer. LOL!
FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
FVH
he's been cornered, he'll "plonk" you. At least with AJ, you get the
fake silent treatment and he'll spend all night looking at your
photobucket account trying to find a shadow or reflection in one of
your photos.
FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
83LowRider
"El Jefe" wrote
>> Seriously.. I just posted an article.. I didn't add any opinion or
>> comment on it in any way in the original post. I suppose
>> it's easier for Jefe to argue with me than it is with the article. :)
> Except -- I didn't start out "arguing" with you. I made a few
> comments, and *you* chose to respond to them.
Very true, but the subject of Fox and 'fairness' has come up many
times, and this is the first article I've seen that gives the dems
(those inside Fox) views. As I just now turned on Fox, I am
seeing a panel of 4 on Greta Sustern (sp?) 2 dems, 2 republicans,
debating the republican wins in VA and NJ. One of the dems is
Bob Beckel and the other is Howard Deans campaign manager,
Joe Trippi. Both are speaking freely, both are blasting republicans.
I dunno how it could be any more 'balanced'.. Both those guys know
Fox is to the right of center. Neither one is having their mic
cut, or being belittled.
> The article itself, eh. Sorry, but I don't see any democratic views/
> opinions being "promoted" on Fox.
The main point (for me) of the article is that Fox has many
people on their payroll who are there for nothing more than
to present their liberal opinions. Do they give those liberals
their own show every night for an hour? No.. but they get
a lot of 'face' time every week, and I've never seen them
stiffled. Even on Hannity, for many years there was the
opposing view of the very liberal Alan Colmes, there every
single night to debate whatever rant Hannity may have
been on. While I would never claim Fox to be totally 'fair and
balanced', they are moreso than any of the other major
networks, at least in allowing an opposing viewpoint.
> I guess the view from the right is different.
Not really, I see mostly a bunch of self-serving, overpaid,
lobbyist sellouts on both sides of the aisle from this angle
as well, but I still have hope for the future tho, 'ever the
optimist. :)
mss
> The point still is, Fox News gets a lot of shit from the left, about
> being unfair and biased, and the White House shuns them.
And a foolish move by the current president no?
Likely just as foolish when Bush disdained MSNBC as well...
There's nothing new here... Those towards the right
appearing on broadcasters whom tilt leftwards, are token
offerings at best that have little to no impact within the
demographic of a given viewership. Just as those to the
left on FOX are nothing more than 'faces'.
The real issue at stake here is: if you saw someone needing
help that you knew beforehand took a differing view than
yourself, would you be an ass & not chip in to help?
What if the shoe was on the other foot? Isnt that what
the moral majority is all about? (helping people).
Its the truth...
--
later on,
Mike
steveh99
It's the same shit from either side.. Both sides do it
mss
> It's the same shit from either side.. Both sides do it
Bingo...
I think its important to note too, that this last presidential
election was not a victory for dems (just as NY was not
for the right). It was a victory only for the person
who won the race they ran...
I always get a laugh when one side says 'we showed them!',
no not really.
Maybe folks just vote for who they feel will best serve them...
--
later on,
Mike
steveh99
I stopped became an indep a while back ago. Dems have their own
halfassed agenda and repubs have theirs. I think someday people will
catch on and sick of both sides and look to the others for answers
steveh99
@windstream.net says...
lol I had connect problems
What I was trying to say was I stopped being a dem a while back ago and
became an Indep. Both Dems and Repubs have their half assed agendas and
never get anything done as a result. I hope that someday people when
people get really sick of the obvious 2 they take a better look at the
alternative party choices for answers
mss
> lol I had connect problems
> What I was trying to say was I stopped being a dem a while back ago and
> became an Indep. Both Dems and Repubs have their half assed agendas and
> never get anything done as a result. I hope that someday people when
> people get really sick of the obvious 2 they take a better look at the
> alternative party choices for answers
Oh yeah, we're all seeking the truth man...
I'm about 2/3 to the left, 1/3 to the right.
Abortion - I'm against it, to remove a baby from its
mother's womb is murder.
Pro-guns, but come on... when 12 year olds are running around
with bazookas, that's bullsh*t. A deer hunter doesn't need
a semi-automatic (Uncle Ted can bite my *ss).
Hope heathcare passes... most folks who would be helped
by the bill are working families.
Keith Olbermann is a smartass, Limbaugh is an entertainer
and nothing more, (as if).
Bottom line (for me) get out of other countries, we would'nt
put up with occupation, so it should come as no surprise no
one else wants to.
We ought to invest in science, books, repaving roads,
alternate energy.
And you'll note while the private sector b*tches about
the money uncle sam wants to spend on reform, they
were the 1st in line with palms out with the bailouts...
--
later on,
Mike
FVH
and see something I 100% agree with, but you've managed to do just
that, Mike. It amazes me how Dems & Republicans are more interested in
"their side" rather than making a difference. Politics are nothing
more than a dick measuring contest. They flop out their junk on the
table and argue who has the biggest one. And while I voted for him,
Obama is just like the everyone else. Of course, I knew that long
before I decided to vote for him, but you get my point.
FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
mss
> It's amazing, I never thought I would read an online political thread
> and see something I 100% agree with, but you've managed to do just
> that, Mike. It amazes me how Dems & Republicans are more interested in
> "their side" rather than making a difference. Politics are nothing
> more than a dick measuring contest. They flop out their junk on the
> table and argue who has the biggest one. And while I voted for him,
> Obama is just like the everyone else. Of course, I knew that long
> before I decided to vote for him, but you get my point.
Sure enough we're all sick of the rigamarole FVH.
Our gov'mnt needs to tackle issues rather than one another...
--
later on,
Mike