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The map of all the counties in the US from this year's election and how they voted.
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AJ
Nov 15, 2012, 1:36:01 PM11/15/12
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http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drudgemap.jpg
Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
FVH
Nov 15, 2012, 2:08:55 PM11/15/12
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However these numbers tell the real story:
Barack Obama 62,828,346 50.62% 332
Mitt Romney 59,279,514 47.76% 206
As a side note (that will piss you off), here's more numbers that
helped Obama win FOUR MORE YEARS:
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/
Latinos voted for President Barack Obama over Republican Mitt Romney
by 71% to 27%, according to an analysis of exit polls by the Pew
Hispanic Center, a Project of the Pew Research Center.
Obama’s national vote share among Hispanic voters is the highest seen
by a Democratic candidate since 1996, when President Bill Clinton won
72% of the Hispanic vote.
It looks like you have some Latino hunting to do, Internet Tough Guy:
In other states, the president also carried large shares of the
Hispanic vote. Among other battlegrounds, Obama won 68% of the
Hispanic vote in North Carolina, 65% in Wisconsin, 64% IN VIRGINIA and
53% in Ohio.
We're taking over America, white boy! LOL!
Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Good ole RMAK. Where the majority swears off "scab KISS" then
wrights a review of the new album the week it comes out. LOL!-
Professor AJ
Yes I know that and I know they gained that power under Obama's
watch.-Professor AJ on China's nukes.
This was passed in 2008 under Obama.- AJ, political guru
Wait and see. Paul is not going to name the new KISS album what Gene
was
going to call his solo boxset.-AJ, KISS "expert"
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
Barack Obama 62,828,346 50.62% 332
Mitt Romney 59,279,514 47.76% 206
As a side note (that will piss you off), here's more numbers that
helped Obama win FOUR MORE YEARS:
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/
Latinos voted for President Barack Obama over Republican Mitt Romney
by 71% to 27%, according to an analysis of exit polls by the Pew
Hispanic Center, a Project of the Pew Research Center.
Obama’s national vote share among Hispanic voters is the highest seen
by a Democratic candidate since 1996, when President Bill Clinton won
72% of the Hispanic vote.
It looks like you have some Latino hunting to do, Internet Tough Guy:
In other states, the president also carried large shares of the
Hispanic vote. Among other battlegrounds, Obama won 68% of the
Hispanic vote in North Carolina, 65% in Wisconsin, 64% IN VIRGINIA and
53% in Ohio.
We're taking over America, white boy! LOL!
Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Good ole RMAK. Where the majority swears off "scab KISS" then
wrights a review of the new album the week it comes out. LOL!-
Professor AJ
Yes I know that and I know they gained that power under Obama's
watch.-Professor AJ on China's nukes.
This was passed in 2008 under Obama.- AJ, political guru
Wait and see. Paul is not going to name the new KISS album what Gene
was
going to call his solo boxset.-AJ, KISS "expert"
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
Beaver_Fever
Nov 15, 2012, 11:00:16 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 10:36 am, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drudgemap.jpg
>
> Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
Corn can't vote, idiot.
> http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drudgemap.jpg
>
> Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
AJ
Nov 24, 2012, 7:28:31 PM11/24/12
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FVH
Nov 24, 2012, 10:19:28 PM11/24/12
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LOL! You're SO lonely that you're replying to days old posts.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
El Jefe
Nov 25, 2012, 10:27:02 PM11/25/12
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On Nov 15, 12:36 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drudgemap.jpg
>
> Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
Looks like an Obama victory to me. I say: you lose.
>
> Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
El Jefe
El Jefe
Nov 25, 2012, 10:29:02 PM11/25/12
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> And liberals don't grow it.
So it's conservatives who are voting for their subsidy handouts,
Professor?
El Jefe
FVH
Nov 26, 2012, 1:28:22 AM11/26/12
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Killer can't take losing like a real man. No, he has to whine and kick
his fat feet because he didn't get his way. Typical Republican mindset
these days.
Speaking of whiny Republicans, I wonder if Nugent is still alive or in
jail? My guess is he's doing just fine in his big house and pile of
money--you know the things Obama took away from him during his first
term? Fucking drama queen.
his fat feet because he didn't get his way. Typical Republican mindset
these days.
Speaking of whiny Republicans, I wonder if Nugent is still alive or in
jail? My guess is he's doing just fine in his big house and pile of
money--you know the things Obama took away from him during his first
term? Fucking drama queen.
AJ
Nov 26, 2012, 5:12:56 PM11/26/12
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On Nov 25, 9:27 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
FVH
Nov 26, 2012, 6:38:01 PM11/26/12
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Sour grapes much? When are you going to stop acting like a bratty
child and turn your fat attention to doing your fat part in helping
this country get back on track?
child and turn your fat attention to doing your fat part in helping
this country get back on track?
El Jefe
Nov 26, 2012, 9:05:00 PM11/26/12
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> If you think that's a *victory* then you have a lot to learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6jT3Q3gyvs
El Jefe
steveh99
Nov 26, 2012, 9:25:42 PM11/26/12
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In article <1635e9c3-00b6-4c8e-9373-2017fc9de1e5
@q5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
it was a victory
your side lost
@q5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
your side lost
FVH
Nov 27, 2012, 12:16:58 AM11/27/12
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Killer lives in la la land and is bad at math, so don't expect him to
understand how an election is won.
understand how an election is won.
AJ
Nov 27, 2012, 11:52:00 AM11/27/12
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On Nov 26, 8:25 pm, steveh99 <steve...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In article <1635e9c3-00b6-4c8e-9373-2017fc9de1e5
> @q5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com says...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 9:27 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 15, 12:36 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drudgemap.jpg
>
> > > > Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
>
> > > Looks like an Obama victory to me. I say: you lose.
>
> > > El Jefe
>
> > If you think that's a *victory* then you have a lot to learn.
>
> it was a victory
> your side lost
Nope, we all lost. You'll realize it one day.
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 9:27 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 15, 12:36 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drudgemap.jpg
>
> > > > Looks pretty red to me. What say you?
>
> > > Looks like an Obama victory to me. I say: you lose.
>
> > > El Jefe
>
> > If you think that's a *victory* then you have a lot to learn.
>
> it was a victory
> your side lost
FVH
Nov 27, 2012, 1:55:11 PM11/27/12
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LOL! You're such a drama queen, fag face. If we were able to survive 8
years of Bush we can survive 8 years of your black socialist Kenyan
leader. Grow up and start earning what John pays you, you lazy fuck.
years of Bush we can survive 8 years of your black socialist Kenyan
leader. Grow up and start earning what John pays you, you lazy fuck.
El Jefe
Nov 27, 2012, 7:57:47 PM11/27/12
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On Nov 26, 12:28 am, FVH <jarjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Killer can't take losing like a real man. No, he has to whine and kick
> his fat feet because he didn't get his way. Typical Republican mindset
> these days.
>
> Speaking of whiny Republicans, I wonder if Nugent is still alive or in
> jail? My guess is he's doing just fine in his big house and pile of
> money--you know the things Obama took away from him during his first
> term? Fucking drama queen.
Technically, he still has a few months to make good on his "promise".
> Killer can't take losing like a real man. No, he has to whine and kick
> his fat feet because he didn't get his way. Typical Republican mindset
> these days.
>
> Speaking of whiny Republicans, I wonder if Nugent is still alive or in
> jail? My guess is he's doing just fine in his big house and pile of
> money--you know the things Obama took away from him during his first
> term? Fucking drama queen.
But he's too much of a coward to make good on it. He'll just end up
playing a county fair, running around on stage with a gun and
pretending to be a tough guy who woulda killed 'em all...IF he'd not
shat himself to get out of serving.
El Jefe
steveh99
Nov 27, 2012, 8:39:53 PM11/27/12
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In article <8d70e4de-40c4-46f7-9cf2-44fec6e7f996
@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
we all lost when Bush was handed the election in 2000 by the supreme
court
@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
court
AJ
Nov 28, 2012, 2:48:56 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 27, 7:39 pm, steveh99 <steve...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In article <8d70e4de-40c4-46f7-9cf2-44fec6e7f996
> @k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com says...
> court- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The current events of this administration contradicts everything you
say. Anyway you want to look at it, America was better off before
Obama was elected.
> In article <8d70e4de-40c4-46f7-9cf2-44fec6e7f996
> @k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com says...
>
> - Show quoted text -
The current events of this administration contradicts everything you
say. Anyway you want to look at it, America was better off before
Obama was elected.
steveh99
Nov 28, 2012, 3:59:25 PM11/28/12
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In article <d43d3575-018d-4971-b972-c2eb2821ed33
@f19g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
not
@f19g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
AJ
Nov 28, 2012, 4:31:34 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 28, 2:59 pm, steveh99 <steve...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In article <d43d3575-018d-4971-b972-c2eb2821ed33
> @f19g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com says...
> not- Hide quoted text -
unemployed, we're deeper in debt, the economy is worse, there are less
available jobs, more people are on food stamps, more college graduates
will be returning home after graduation because they can't find work,
the price of gas has doubled, we still have troops in Iraq and
Afghanistan, and this administration has killed more jobs than
created. Obama spent more in 3 years than Bush did in 8 years. Those
are facts. To deny any of this only proves you're an idiot or can't
bring yourself to admit how much of a failure this administration is.
> In article <d43d3575-018d-4971-b972-c2eb2821ed33
> @f19g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com says...
>
> - Show quoted text -
You're wrong. You can't face the facts that more people are now
> - Show quoted text -
unemployed, we're deeper in debt, the economy is worse, there are less
available jobs, more people are on food stamps, more college graduates
will be returning home after graduation because they can't find work,
the price of gas has doubled, we still have troops in Iraq and
Afghanistan, and this administration has killed more jobs than
created. Obama spent more in 3 years than Bush did in 8 years. Those
are facts. To deny any of this only proves you're an idiot or can't
bring yourself to admit how much of a failure this administration is.
FVH
Nov 28, 2012, 6:34:10 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 28, 1:48 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> The current events of this administration contradicts everything you say.
Oh look, Killer learned a new word today--administration.
> The current events of this administration contradicts everything you say.
> Anyway you want to look at it, America was better off before Obama was elected.
credit for (which you are).
FVH
Nov 28, 2012, 6:35:03 PM11/28/12
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LOL! All Steve had to do is type one word and you go off on another
PMS rant. Steve has you rattled, Rebel.
PMS rant. Steve has you rattled, Rebel.
steveh99
Nov 28, 2012, 7:11:29 PM11/28/12
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In article <2986ac7b-30eb-4318-96ea-
64bdaa...@r14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com
says...
Unlike you, I'm not obsessed with something I can not change.
It doesn't dominate my every thought, every action like it does yours.
64bdaa...@r14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com
says...
It doesn't dominate my every thought, every action like it does yours.
AJ
Nov 28, 2012, 7:24:28 PM11/28/12
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On Nov 28, 6:11 pm, steveh99 <steve...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In article <2986ac7b-30eb-4318-96ea-
> 64bdaad6c...@r14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com
You had to power to make a wiser choice for who you voted for and who
you come here and defend every day.
> In article <2986ac7b-30eb-4318-96ea-
> 64bdaad6c...@r14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com
you come here and defend every day.
steveh99
Nov 28, 2012, 10:13:27 PM11/28/12
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In article <57238946-306b-42d2-9bf0-4cec1d747441
@q5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
LOL I never once revealed who I voted for so try again
@q5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...
FVH
Nov 28, 2012, 10:29:27 PM11/28/12
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Dude, it doesn't matter who's President, you naive fuck. Your life
isn't going to be affected one way or another. In four years you'll
still be doing nothing on John's dime, trolling RMAK and making empty
death threats to those you don't know. You'll also still be fat, bald,
BUTT ASS UGLY, and lonely. Your fat life hasn't changed since 2008 and
it won't now. Grow up.
isn't going to be affected one way or another. In four years you'll
still be doing nothing on John's dime, trolling RMAK and making empty
death threats to those you don't know. You'll also still be fat, bald,
BUTT ASS UGLY, and lonely. Your fat life hasn't changed since 2008 and
it won't now. Grow up.
AJ
Nov 29, 2012, 1:15:40 PM11/29/12
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On Nov 28, 9:13 pm, steveh99 <steve...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In article <57238946-306b-42d2-9bf0-4cec1d747441
> LOL I never once revealed who I voted for so try again- Hide quoted text -
> In article <57238946-306b-42d2-9bf0-4cec1d747441
>
> - Show quoted text -
You reveal everyday who you support and defend.
> - Show quoted text -
FVH
Nov 29, 2012, 2:45:16 PM11/29/12
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You reveal everyday that you're a spineless, gutless coward.
steveh99
Nov 29, 2012, 5:15:32 PM11/29/12
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In article <1c4d279a-59c0-4c3e-aee1-
58932a...@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com
says...
whats it to you who I vote for?
58932a...@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com
says...
AJ
Nov 30, 2012, 11:15:27 AM11/30/12
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On Nov 29, 4:15 pm, steveh99 <steve...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> In article <1c4d279a-59c0-4c3e-aee1-
> 58932abcf...@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com
> whats it to you who I vote for?- Hide quoted text -
solution.
> In article <1c4d279a-59c0-4c3e-aee1-
> 58932abcf...@t5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, misfitskiss...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Because people like you are part of the problem and not part of the
> - Show quoted text -
solution.
FVH
Nov 30, 2012, 5:42:17 PM11/30/12
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Your "solutions" include civil war, dividing races, and keeping poor
people down. Nuff said.
people down. Nuff said.
Beaver_Fever
Nov 30, 2012, 9:04:48 PM11/30/12
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AJ
Dec 1, 2012, 10:27:51 AM12/1/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Paying my taxes, supplying jobs to my employees, and teaching my kids
> - Show quoted text -
to work hard for what they want instead of expecting free handouts.
FVH
Dec 1, 2012, 1:34:58 PM12/1/12
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On Dec 1, 9:27 am, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> Paying my taxes,
Does this include the income you receive from your dirty bootlegs?
> supplying jobs to my employees,
You mean John's employees, and I doubt you do any of the hiring.
> and teaching my kids to work hard for what they want instead of expecting free handouts.
LOL! I love how you think Obama voters want "free handouts".
Thankfully your voice doesn't matter and is only around to be mocked,
Detective.
> Paying my taxes,
Does this include the income you receive from your dirty bootlegs?
> supplying jobs to my employees,
> and teaching my kids to work hard for what they want instead of expecting free handouts.
Thankfully your voice doesn't matter and is only around to be mocked,
Detective.
Beaver_Fever
Dec 1, 2012, 7:37:47 PM12/1/12
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Try again.
AJ
Dec 1, 2012, 7:50:55 PM12/1/12
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>
> - Show quoted text -
So paying taxes and employing others is self interest? What have you
> - Show quoted text -
done lately?
Beaver_Fever
Dec 1, 2012, 8:53:13 PM12/1/12
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Personally I prefer to be part of the problem rather than bragging
about being part of the solution while doing no such thing.
steveh99
Dec 2, 2012, 4:38:58 AM12/2/12
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In article <32e24245-725a-46a0-a9b6-ca4937993469
@s6g2000pby.googlegroups.com>, Beaver...@live.com says...
>
> On Dec 1, 4:50ï¿œpm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 1, 6:37ï¿œpm, Beaver_Fever <Beaver_Fe...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 1, 7:27ï¿œam, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Nov 30, 8:04ï¿œpm, Beaver_Fever <Beaver_Fe...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 30, 8:15ï¿œam, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> > So paying taxes and employing others is self interest? ï¿œWhat have you
@s6g2000pby.googlegroups.com>, Beaver...@live.com says...
>
> On Dec 1, 4:50ï¿œpm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 1, 6:37ï¿œpm, Beaver_Fever <Beaver_Fe...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 1, 7:27ï¿œam, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Nov 30, 8:04ï¿œpm, Beaver_Fever <Beaver_Fe...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 30, 8:15ï¿œam, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> > done lately?
>
> I don't think anybody here believes you are an employer.
>
> Personally I prefer to be part of the problem rather than bragging
> about being part of the solution while doing no such thing.
well put
>
> I don't think anybody here believes you are an employer.
>
> Personally I prefer to be part of the problem rather than bragging
> about being part of the solution while doing no such thing.
El Jefe
Dec 2, 2012, 4:46:43 PM12/2/12
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On Dec 1, 6:50 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> So paying taxes
If you think paying taxes is "helping", and you look back and see that
having the wealthiest in the country paying a bit more is one of the
things that makes for a stronger economy...why are you so adamant that
they not pay a bit more?
> and employing others is self interest?
No employer hires anyone because they're trying to help. They do it
because they NEED the help. Yes, that is self-interest.
El Jefe
> So paying taxes
If you think paying taxes is "helping", and you look back and see that
having the wealthiest in the country paying a bit more is one of the
things that makes for a stronger economy...why are you so adamant that
they not pay a bit more?
> and employing others is self interest?
because they NEED the help. Yes, that is self-interest.
El Jefe
83LowRider
Dec 2, 2012, 5:12:48 PM12/2/12
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El Jefe wrote:
> No employer hires anyone because they're trying to help. They do it
> because they NEED the help. Yes, that is self-interest.
That is not necessarily true. I see stories all the time of
> No employer hires anyone because they're trying to help. They do it
> because they NEED the help. Yes, that is self-interest.
owners keeping employees on when they should be letting
them go. Many stories of employees taking wage cuts or
cutting back hours so that others won't be losing their job.
My job doesn't require me to have a helper any more, but
a helper allows me to get more done <self-interest to some
degree> and gives me some company. It also DOES allow
me to help someone out. And that makes me feel good.
AJ is probably like me, keeps one or two workers around.
But so what that it's only a couple? When AJ or I are working
two guys, that's THREE families each that are being fed
or housed. I OFTEN 'find work' around my house to put a
few extra bucks in my helpers pocket. I give him every
possible hour that I can. When work starts slowing in the
fall I'll have him mow my property, clean out my garden or
whatever possible to give him a few hours. As he's worked
for me <off and on> for a number of years now, we went
shoppin' last week and I had him pick out a shirt, pants,
shoes, underwear and socks for a Christmas gift. I don't
have to do that shit... I do it to help. How about you? Does
your employer pay you more than minimum wage? Do
you get any kind of perks/bonuses/Christmas gift? Do
you have any medical over the years that hasn't been
required? You CANNOT say that "no employer" does
anything beyond their own self-interest.
AJ
Dec 3, 2012, 10:45:57 AM12/3/12
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On Dec 1, 7:53 pm, Beaver_Fever <Beaver_Fe...@live.com> wrote:
> I don't think anybody here believes you are an employer.
Then feel free to call my store and ask for the owner.
> I don't think anybody here believes you are an employer.
AJ
Dec 3, 2012, 10:56:29 AM12/3/12
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On Dec 2, 3:46 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 6:50 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > So paying taxes
>
> If you think paying taxes is "helping", and you look back and see that
> having the wealthiest in the country paying a bit more is one of the
> things that makes for a stronger economy...why are you so adamant that
> they not pay a bit more?
Because it's not the solution and I've seen how the government wastes
> On Dec 1, 6:50 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > So paying taxes
>
> If you think paying taxes is "helping", and you look back and see that
> having the wealthiest in the country paying a bit more is one of the
> things that makes for a stronger economy...why are you so adamant that
> they not pay a bit more?
our money. Plus, I personally don't believe anyone that is living the
American dream and offering jobs should be punished.
>
> > and employing others is self interest?
>
> No employer hires anyone because they're trying to help. They do it
> because they NEED the help. Yes, that is self-interest.
>
> El Jefe
them pay for bills and so on. I'm also involved with a program called
"Toys for Tots" where we try to get toys or other needs for
underprivileged kids for Christmas. Plus, I'm also involved with
helping to get winter coats for poor kids in one of the local schools
here. I also do work with the local Boy Scouts, D.A.R.E, Salvation
Army, and my local Mason Lodge. I'm more than happy to post and
address here if you're wanting to help out and make a donation to any
of these programs.
AJ
Dec 3, 2012, 10:58:22 AM12/3/12
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FVH
Dec 3, 2012, 7:56:29 PM12/3/12
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Ah yes, you're now trying to paint yourself as a charitable guy.
Trying to re-make your fat image, Killer?
Trying to re-make your fat image, Killer?
El Jefe
Dec 3, 2012, 8:16:34 PM12/3/12
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On Dec 2, 4:12 pm, "83LowRider" <83lowri...@nywilldo.com> wrote:
players in the realm of employment. I don't mean this as a slight; but
you're not quite what I was thinking of in my last post. It's a nice
thing that you'll have someone do some work for you even if you don't
"need" it, but you're still deriving a benefit from it, no? And is
this a regular practice for you, do you routinely hire people when you
don't really need tem? How about all of the other businesses/companies
out there, do they actively hire people when there's no need? As you
can see in The Professor's reply, John does not hire people purely out
of a desire to help. If someone works extra hours, John benefits from
it. This is not altruism.
Three families that are being housed and fed? Do you really pay such
high of a wage for that to be possible? You point out the story of one
helper you obviously know on a personal level and for whom you bought
some stuff. A nice gesture indeed. But that is a PERSONAL gesture, not
a business-related one.
As for my own perks -- I'm not really sure what this has to do with
the topic seeing as perks tend to be a form of competition in order to
gain good employees, not charity -- but of course I get some. However,
I wasn't hired out of compassion or charity. I was hired because there
was a need I could fulfill...one that required more than being able to
toss ice in a glass or pour a beer. And you don't just go to a
bartending school and think your certificate will impress (I don't
think such schools are a bad thing if you choose a good one, just
saying, there are too many kids who get their piece of paper and are
now "bartenders" in their minds. Rude awakenings incoming...). You'll
be laughed at. So yeah, I've got some actual skills. No one hires me,
whether as a full employee or for a one off deal (weddings and such),
out of some form of altruism. And I think this is true for the vast,
vast majority of employers out there. Would you disagree?
El Jefe
El Jefe
Dec 3, 2012, 8:30:14 PM12/3/12
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> Because it's not the solution and I've seen how the government wastes
> our money. Plus, I personally don't believe anyone that is living the
> American dream and offering jobs should be punished.
It is not THE solution, but it is part of it. History proves this. And
> our money. Plus, I personally don't believe anyone that is living the
> American dream and offering jobs should be punished.
government waste....again, YOU support it.
The richest people are not in any way being "punished" when asked to
pay a few percentage points more in taxes. They have made out like
bandits over the past 40 years, and in many cases not deservedly so.
> Not true. Sometimes I'll let my employees work extra hours to help
> them pay for bills and so on. I'm also involved with a program called
> "Toys for Tots" where we try to get toys or other needs for
> underprivileged kids for Christmas. Plus, I'm also involved with
> helping to get winter coats for poor kids in one of the local schools
> here. I also do work with the local Boy Scouts, D.A.R.E, Salvation
> Army, and my local Mason Lodge. I'm more than happy to post and
> address here if you're wanting to help out and make a donation to any
> of these programs.
animal shelters, libraries and schools have gotten a lot of things
from me anytime I've moved over the years. But this has NOTHING to do
with hiring people sans a need. Nor does letting someone work a few
extra hours; John still benefits from it.
My monetary donations primarily go to non-human beneficiaries. Perhaps
you'd care to help?
http://littlefriendsfoundation.org/
El Jefe
83LowRider
Dec 4, 2012, 6:11:10 AM12/4/12
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El Jefe wrote:
> No offense, but I wouldn't exactly consider you or John Allison power
> players in the realm of employment. I don't mean this as a slight; but
> you're not quite what I was thinking of in my last post.
None taken, and it was never meant to imply that AJ or I were
> No offense, but I wouldn't exactly consider you or John Allison power
> players in the realm of employment. I don't mean this as a slight; but
> you're not quite what I was thinking of in my last post.
specific to your example. Nevertheless - we ARE, in a sense.
From wiki-
"the top job provider is those with fewer than 10 employees"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_business
And when you DO have ten or less? you tend to have a far
more personal interest in those people. A small group
usually has to have a tighter bond, etc.
> It's a nice thing that you'll
> have someone do some work for you even if you don't
> "need" it, but you're still deriving a benefit from it, no?
also stuff that I've got plenty of time to do myself this
time of year. Fact is, my helper will get a few more days,
maybe 8-10 more days, before we're done this year. As is,
I'm only working him a couple days a week at this point.
Winter is about to step in and shit all over us!
> And is
> this a regular practice for you, do you routinely hire people when you
> don't really need tem? How about all of the other businesses/companies
> out there, do they actively hire people when there's no need? As you
> can see in The Professor's reply, John does not hire people purely out
> of a desire to help. If someone works extra hours, John benefits from
> it. This is not altruism.
got great tits anywayz. That doesn't mean that some employers
don't keep people on when they should really be cutting them
back or letting them go.
> Three families that are being housed and fed? Do you really pay such
> high of a wage for that to be possible? You point out the story of one
> helper you obviously know on a personal level and for whom you bought
> some stuff. A nice gesture indeed. But that is a PERSONAL gesture, not
> a business-related one.
living. I've mentioned my helper, he gets 38 hours at
Burger King, he's got an unemployed girlfriend at home
along with her small child. She used to work at Burger
King with him but found that with the kid, they do better
with her staying home and gettin' that gov't money. I don't
hold this against my helper... he works a full time job <almost>
and a part time one with me. He's pussy stupid, goes thru a
lot of 'meaty' women, and has a 9 or 10 year old of his own.
And of COURSE what I did for him was a personal gesture,
that money came out of my wallet, not any kind of a
business check. But wasn't that the point of your post?
to say that there was no 'loyalty' or whatever - from
employer to employee?
> As for my own perks -- I'm not really sure what this has to do with
> the topic seeing as perks tend to be a form of competition in order to
> gain good employees, not charity -- but of course I get some. However,
> I wasn't hired out of compassion or charity. I was hired because there
> was a need I could fulfill...one that required more than being able to
> toss ice in a glass or pour a beer.
Do you think for a minute, that your boss couldn't replace you
tomorrow - with an equally talented employee - for 35k a year?
I'd be willing to wager that he could replace you tomorrow,
with an out of work, equally talented employee - for 32k a year.
And without some of the perks.
There is indeed a LOT of compassion/consideration/bond...
between some companies and those they hand a check to every week.
Yet the liberal left would have us all believe that every job
is a WalMart job, have us believe the average man or woman
has NO choice in where they work.
My last job in Florida 1980<ish> -- building machinery.
A sign by the timeclock said (badly paraphrased) --
"You have no right to complain about your job as long
as you continue to cash your check. If you are that
unhappy we would prefer you leave"
Truer words never spoken and it applies to the
corporate WalMarts as well as the 3 man operation.
> And you don't just go to a
> bartending school and think your certificate will impress (I don't
> think such schools are a bad thing if you choose a good one, just
> saying, there are too many kids who get their piece of paper and are
> now "bartenders" in their minds. Rude awakenings incoming...). You'll
> be laughed at. So yeah, I've got some actual skills. No one hires me,
> whether as a full employee or for a one off deal (weddings and such),
> out of some form of altruism. And I think this is true for the vast,
> vast majority of employers out there. Would you disagree?
for money that benefits both parties. Being better at WHATEVER
you do usually reaps a better payoff. The bride at that wedding
sure as hell doesn't want a bartender calling her bridesmaids
'fat whores'... no matter how well he may mix a margarita.
83LowRider
Dec 4, 2012, 6:16:27 AM12/4/12
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El Jefe wrote:
> The richest people are not in any way being "punished" when asked to
> pay a few percentage points more in taxes. They have made out like
> bandits over the past 40 years, and in many cases not deservedly so.
The richest pay the vast majority of everything we do taxwise.
> The richest people are not in any way being "punished" when asked to
> pay a few percentage points more in taxes. They have made out like
> bandits over the past 40 years, and in many cases not deservedly so.
Poor people pay nothing in home taxes, sales taxes, income
taxes and nothing at all in federal taxes. Half get more then
they pay in.
What 'exactly' is fair? 33%, 40 or 50?
And is it 'fair' when they just hide it in some kind of shelter?
Eliminate ALL these deductions and a TRUE 33% is more
than fair.
> It's great that you donate stuff; I do as well: Goodwill, The SA,
> animal shelters, libraries and schools have gotten a lot of things
> from me anytime I've moved over the years. But this has NOTHING to do
> with hiring people sans a need. Nor does letting someone work a few
> extra hours; John still benefits from it.
>
> My monetary donations primarily go to non-human beneficiaries. Perhaps
> you'd care to help?
>
> http://littlefriendsfoundation.org/
I'm a fan of Salvation Army and have stepped away from
The Red Cross.
AJ
Dec 4, 2012, 10:57:43 AM12/4/12
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On Dec 3, 7:16 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No offense, but I wouldn't exactly consider you or John Allison
FYI, this John guy doesn't exist.
> No offense, but I wouldn't exactly consider you or John Allison
AJ
Dec 4, 2012, 11:11:55 AM12/4/12
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On Dec 3, 7:30 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But this has NOTHING to do
> with hiring people sans a need. Nor does letting someone work a few
> extra hours; John still benefits from it.
Wrong.
> But this has NOTHING to do
> with hiring people sans a need. Nor does letting someone work a few
> extra hours; John still benefits from it.
1. No one by the name John has ever worked here.
2. When I let an employee work extra hours it comes out of my pocket
and that does not benefit me.
3. It's hours I could have worked, but out of the goodness of my heart
I let them earn some extra cash. Simple as that.
AJ
Dec 4, 2012, 1:30:54 PM12/4/12
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On Dec 3, 7:16 pm, El Jefe <jefepicksstrawberr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for my own perks -- I'm not really sure what this has to do with
> the topic seeing as perks tend to be a form of competition in order to
> gain good employees, not charity -- but of course I get some. However,
> I wasn't hired out of compassion or charity. I was hired because there
> was a need I could fulfill...one that required more than being able to
> toss ice in a glass or pour a beer. And you don't just go to a
> bartending school and think your certificate will impress (I don't
> think such schools are a bad thing if you choose a good one, just
> saying, there are too many kids who get their piece of paper and are
> now "bartenders" in their minds. Rude awakenings incoming...). You'll
> be laughed at. So yeah, I've got some actual skills. No one hires me,
> whether as a full employee or for a one off deal (weddings and such),
> out of some form of altruism. And I think this is true for the vast,
> vast majority of employers out there. Would you disagree?
>
> El Jefe- Hide quoted text -
> As for my own perks -- I'm not really sure what this has to do with
> the topic seeing as perks tend to be a form of competition in order to
> gain good employees, not charity -- but of course I get some. However,
> I wasn't hired out of compassion or charity. I was hired because there
> was a need I could fulfill...one that required more than being able to
> toss ice in a glass or pour a beer. And you don't just go to a
> bartending school and think your certificate will impress (I don't
> think such schools are a bad thing if you choose a good one, just
> saying, there are too many kids who get their piece of paper and are
> now "bartenders" in their minds. Rude awakenings incoming...). You'll
> be laughed at. So yeah, I've got some actual skills. No one hires me,
> whether as a full employee or for a one off deal (weddings and such),
> out of some form of altruism. And I think this is true for the vast,
> vast majority of employers out there. Would you disagree?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
This explains a lot and why you and I butt heads all the time. Hear
> - Show quoted text -
me out on this one.
Believe it or not my store is much like a bar. People from all walks
of life come in here and they come up to the counter or take a seat
and spill their guts, their life stories, their marriage or legal
problems. You name a topic, I hear about. You have the same
characteristics as a long time employee I had before I fired him.
Again, hear me out on this.
After years of working here you somewhat become a psychologist for
some strangers or long time customers. I realized this early on and
for some time started letting these people give me a feeling of more
importance or authority than I really am. I snapped out of it and now
just let what they tell me go in one ear and out the other instead of
trying to help or get involved with their personal lives, because what
it all comes down to is these people just want to talk, vent, and just
needed someone to talk to.
Getting back to the former employee. This guy really let it go to
his head and started feeling he was more than what I hired him to do.
He let these people make him feel he was the guy to go to whenever
they needed advice or just someone to talk to. He became very
arrogant and became very judgmental. Customers would lay down a CD on
the counter to buy and if he didn't like that band he would try to
influence them to try to buy something else he liked or what he
thought the customer would like better. It got to the point where he
was actually pissing off customers and some customers were
uncomfortable coming into the store when he worked. It also got to the
point where he started believing he was the only reason the store was
still in business and why any customers even came to the store
anymore. It actually got worse than that, but this was just a few
small examples.
Long story short, he let these people's personal life stories and
gossip become more important than the actual job he was supposed to be
doing. After many warnings, he just wouldn't change his attitude and
still thought the store would go under or close if he wasn't working
here. So after 12 years of employment to this store, I had to let
him go. 4 years later my store is doing well without him and in some
ways much better.
Anyway, for a long time I've noticed you have the same
characteristics as him. If you really work as a bartender, this
explains a lot to me and why you are the way you are. .You have what
I have termed "the self taught psychologist syndrome." I'm sure
you'll probably disagree with everything I said, so did he, but your
attitude has and will continue to give you away.
FVH
Dec 4, 2012, 4:19:52 PM12/4/12
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Riiight. You're not fooling anyone, fat boy.
FVH
Dec 4, 2012, 4:21:28 PM12/4/12
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On Dec 4, 10:11 am, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> Wrong.
> 1. No one by the name John has ever worked here.
No one ever said he WORKS there, dummy. We said he OWNS the store you
> Wrong.
> 1. No one by the name John has ever worked here.
work in.
> 2. When I let an employee work extra hours it comes out of my pocket and that does not benefit me.
> 3. It's hours I could have worked, but out of the goodness of my heart I let them earn some extra cash. Simple as that.
your cow heart.
FVH
Dec 4, 2012, 4:34:28 PM12/4/12
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On Dec 4, 12:30 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> This explains a lot and why you and I butt heads all the time. Hear me out on this one.
You and Jefe "butt heads" because he's smart and you're stupid. Simple
> This explains a lot and why you and I butt heads all the time. Hear me out on this one.
as that.
> Believe it or not my store is much like a bar. People from all walks
> of life come in here and they come up to the counter or take a seat
> and spill their guts, their life stories, their marriage or legal
> problems. You name a topic, I hear about. You have the same
> characteristics as a long time employee I had before I fired him.
> Again, hear me out on this.
come in there and talk your ear off. Most of your customers are in
there to buy and nothing more. I've worked retail before--I've done
what you do, it's nothing special. I've encountered every type of
customer you can think of--you're not doing anything other retail
employees do. Hell, a 16 year old bag boy hears the same shit you
think makes you special.
> After years of working here you somewhat become a psychologist for
> some strangers or long time customers. I realized this early on and
> for some time started letting these people give me a feeling of more
> importance or authority than I really am. I snapped out of it and now
> just let what they tell me go in one ear and out the other instead of
> trying to help or get involved with their personal lives, because what
> it all comes down to is these people just want to talk, vent, and just
> needed someone to talk to.
babble about? You need to read this:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/schizophrenia/DS00196/DSECTION=symptoms
> Getting back to the former employee. This guy really let it go to
> his head and started feeling he was more than what I hired him to do.
> He let these people make him feel he was the guy to go to whenever
> they needed advice or just someone to talk to. He became very
> arrogant and became very judgmental. Customers would lay down a CD on
> the counter to buy and if he didn't like that band he would try to
> influence them to try to buy something else he liked or what he
> thought the customer would like better. It got to the point where he
> was actually pissing off customers and some customers were
> uncomfortable coming into the store when he worked. It also got to the
> point where he started believing he was the only reason the store was
> still in business and why any customers even came to the store
> anymore. It actually got worse than that, but this was just a few small examples.
other guy, made up a story to tell John, and got this poor guy fired.
You're such a baby.
> Long story short, he let these people's personal life stories and
> gossip become more important than the actual job he was supposed to be
> doing. After many warnings, he just wouldn't change his attitude and
> still thought the store would go under or close if he wasn't working
> here. So after 12 years of employment to this store, I had to let
> him go. 4 years later my store is doing well without him and in some ways much better.
hint: you're lying. You give yourself away too easily, Internet Tough
Guy.
> Anyway, for a long time I've noticed you have the same
> characteristics as him. If you really work as a bartender, this
> explains a lot to me and why you are the way you are. .You have what
> I have termed "the self taught psychologist syndrome." I'm sure
> you'll probably disagree with everything I said, so did he, but your
> attitude has and will continue to give you away.
Professor. I love how you think you have a stranger all figured out.
This is your main weakness and what those of us that like to piss you
off exploit. You think you're smarter than you really are and you
underestimate your "enemies". That will continue to be your downfall
and the main reason you'll never "get" FVH. I'm always going to be 2
steps ahead of you and there's nothing you can do about it. I know
what your next "move" is going to be and that frustrates you to no
end.
Mix in a paragraph, Professor.
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