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MrKISS

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Sep 3, 2005, 9:06:42 AM9/3/05
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is this logic
if someone takes someone elses job
if they are sacked or leave or retire a scab?

if your answer is no
then why are eric s/tommy?

peter and ace receive royalties im sure
from albums they still played on


these albums may be sold after someone sees a KISS show
with these supposed scabs

was vinnie/bruce/mark/eric c
a scab

or is it just ppl
who are in the band now?

REMEMBER BEFORE YOU FLAME ME
why did you get into KISS
was it because of the music
or who is in the band

I personally would rather KISS in any form continue
than to cease hell Id gladly buy a new album
if they ever get off their asses and make 1

ROCK ON KISS


The Space Boss

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Sep 3, 2005, 2:23:41 PM9/3/05
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They say they're scabs because they are wearing Ace and Peter's makeup
and costumes. These people swear that they would stop labeling them as
scabs if they took the makeup off, or had their own.

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Pyro Messiah

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Sep 3, 2005, 4:16:50 PM9/3/05
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On 3 Sep 2005 11:23:41 -0700, "The Space Boss" <drsmi...@aol.com>
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>They say they're scabs because they are wearing Ace and Peter's makeup
>and costumes. These people swear that they would stop labeling them as
>scabs if they took the makeup off, or had their own.

Did anyone call Eric Carr, Vinnie, Mark, Bruce, or Eric Singer
(Revenge era) scabs? Or did that term just come around when Singer
darkened his hair and dressed up like Peter? Or was it when Thayer
dressed like Ace and mimicked him on stage?


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Steamer

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Sep 3, 2005, 4:19:22 PM9/3/05
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Pyro Messiah wrote:

> Did anyone call Eric Carr, Vinnie, Mark, Bruce, or Eric Singer
> (Revenge era) scabs? Or did that term just come around when Singer
> darkened his hair and dressed up like Peter? Or was it when Thayer
> dressed like Ace and mimicked him on stage?
>

In this newsgroup, I believe it started with Singer in 2001.


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Fred Garvin

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Sep 3, 2005, 8:23:12 PM9/3/05
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The reason is VERY simple, they have Eric & Toomy in Ace & Peter's
make-up. That is wrong IMHO. If they used different make-up designs or
dropped the makeup completely I'd have no problem with the current
line-up.

THAT is why we call them scabs.

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MrKISS

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Sep 4, 2005, 6:36:39 AM9/4/05
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the thing is im sure they wish they could have their own make up
but im sure g.s wont have it!!!!


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Donnie Gerrin

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Sep 4, 2005, 10:24:45 PM9/4/05
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If Ronald McDonald leaves and a replacement comes in with the same costume
and makeup will you not eat there anymore?
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Bone Machine

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Sep 5, 2005, 12:00:04 AM9/5/05
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>>If Ronald McDonald leaves and a replacement comes in with the same costume
>>and makeup will you not eat there anymore?
>
>If Gene & Paul are relpaced will you still care?
>
>

Only if Gene wears the Ronald McDonald costume and asks if I want
fries with my meal.

"I don't sing, man. I think dark thoughts."
--Hunter S. Thompson

Peter Alerich

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Sep 5, 2005, 1:29:05 AM9/5/05
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On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:06:42 +1000, "MrKISS" <mrk...@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

>is this logic
>if someone takes someone elses job
>if they are sacked or leave or retire a scab?

Hell, I can't even watch episodes of The Three Stooges that don't have
Curley.

Peter

The Space Boss

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Sep 5, 2005, 2:11:19 AM9/5/05
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Peter Alerich wrote:

>
> Hell, I can't even watch episodes of The Three Stooges that don't have
> Curley.
>
> Peter

Dear Peter, SHEMP WAS BEFORE CURLY YOU KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caffeine

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Sep 5, 2005, 4:26:04 AM9/5/05
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Donnie Gerrin wrote:
> If Ronald McDonald leaves and a replacement comes in with
> the same costume and makeup will you not eat there anymore?


did the original guy who played ronald mcdonald create the character as an
extension of his own personality?


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Steamer

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Sep 5, 2005, 7:58:55 AM9/5/05
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Donnie Gerrin wrote:

> If Ronald McDonald leaves and a replacement comes in with the same costume
> and makeup will you not eat there anymore?

I don't eat at McDonalds.

But anyway, I am guessing that the first person to wear that costume was not
the creator of it. Whereas with KISS, Ace and Peter did create their own
characters and portrayed them for many years. And once again, you can spare
us the excuses about Gene and Paul owning the rights to the designs.

Steamer

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Sep 5, 2005, 8:00:03 AM9/5/05
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The Space Boss wrote:

Curly may not have been an original Stooge, but he was there longer than
Shemp or any of the Joe's, and during their prime too.

When a group reunites, it is usually the most popular, most successful
line-up that comes together. In many cases, it is not necessarily the
original line-up (e.g. Fleetwood Mac). But in the case of KISS (and Black
Sabbath for that matter), the most popular, most successful line-up was the
original line-up. That is why fans praise the original line-up, because
their peak of greatness took place with that line-up.

Tattoo Vampire

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Sep 5, 2005, 10:22:01 AM9/5/05
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Steamer wrote:

> But anyway, I am guessing that the first person to wear that costume was not
> the creator of it. Whereas with KISS, Ace and Peter did create their own
> characters and portrayed them for many years. And once again, you can spare
> us the excuses about Gene and Paul owning the rights to the designs.

Willard Scott claims to have been the first Ronald; he was indeed the first
Ronald to appear in a McD's television campaign in late 1963.

http://www.thejoyboys.com/ronald.htm
Scary stuff!

However, it turns out a fellow named George Vorhees, a professional clown,
created the initial concept and look of Ronald McDonald in early 1963 for
the opening of a Los Angeles McDonald's.

After McD's hired Scott, Vorhees was let go, and subsequently enjoined from
performing as, or exhibiting the likeness of, Ronald Mcdonald in any form.

So, indeed, all subsequent Ronald McDonalds have been scabs!
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Steamer

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Sep 5, 2005, 10:37:36 AM9/5/05
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Tattoo Vampire wrote:

> Willard Scott claims to have been the first Ronald; he was indeed the first
> Ronald to appear in a McD's television campaign in late 1963.
>
> http://www.thejoyboys.com/ronald.htm
> Scary stuff!
>
> However, it turns out a fellow named George Vorhees, a professional clown,
> created the initial concept and look of Ronald McDonald in early 1963 for
> the opening of a Los Angeles McDonald's.
>
> After McD's hired Scott, Vorhees was let go, and subsequently enjoined from
> performing as, or exhibiting the likeness of, Ronald Mcdonald in any form.
>
> So, indeed, all subsequent Ronald McDonalds have been scabs!

Interesting. Oh well, since I am not fond of McD's, you won't see me taking
extreme exception to this like I do with the KISS character folly. :-)

Pyro Messiah

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Sep 5, 2005, 11:00:28 AM9/5/05
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On 4 Sep 2005 23:11:19 -0700, "The Space Boss" <drsmi...@aol.com>
wrote:

>

Yes, he was. But it wasn't until Curly joined that the group became
huge. And Shemp wasn't one of the "Three Stooges" before Curly. He
was one of Ted Healy's Stooges.

Pyro Messiah

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Sep 5, 2005, 11:02:42 AM9/5/05
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:22:01 -0400, Tattoo Vampire <na...@nyet.nothing>
wrote:

>Steamer wrote:
>
>> But anyway, I am guessing that the first person to wear that costume was not
>> the creator of it. Whereas with KISS, Ace and Peter did create their own
>> characters and portrayed them for many years. And once again, you can spare
>> us the excuses about Gene and Paul owning the rights to the designs.
>
>Willard Scott claims to have been the first Ronald; he was indeed the first
>Ronald to appear in a McD's television campaign in late 1963.
>
>http://www.thejoyboys.com/ronald.htm
>Scary stuff!
>
>However, it turns out a fellow named George Vorhees, a professional clown,
>created the initial concept and look of Ronald McDonald in early 1963 for
>the opening of a Los Angeles McDonald's.
>
>After McD's hired Scott, Vorhees was let go, and subsequently enjoined from
>performing as, or exhibiting the likeness of, Ronald Mcdonald in any form.
>
>So, indeed, all subsequent Ronald McDonalds have been scabs!

What year did Eric Singer wear the Ronald McDonald makeup?

Tattoo Vampire

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Sep 5, 2005, 11:15:22 AM9/5/05
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Pyro Messiah wrote:

> What year did Eric Singer wear the Ronald McDonald makeup?

Right before Thayer dressed up as the Hamburglar.
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Pyro Messiah

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Sep 5, 2005, 11:25:50 AM9/5/05
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:15:22 -0400, Tattoo Vampire <na...@nyet.nothing>
wrote:

>Pyro Messiah wrote:


>
>> What year did Eric Singer wear the Ronald McDonald makeup?
>
>Right before Thayer dressed up as the Hamburglar.

So I'm guessing Gene was Grimace. I'd recognize that gut anywhere. :)

Steve Ray

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Sep 5, 2005, 2:10:25 PM9/5/05
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> Only if Gene wears the Ronald McDonald costume and asks if I want
> fries with my meal.

heyhey cool. Now theres another marketing idea for Mr $immon$. The Mc$immon$
Burger bar. All burgers cooked with flames grills and rare dripping with
blood....

Should I patent the idea before he does ?

Then again, if Gene does go ahead with the idea it won't last very long
anyhow.......

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Bone Machine

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Sep 5, 2005, 4:58:11 PM9/5/05
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"Steve Ray" <noc...@all.com> wrote:

>> Only if Gene wears the Ronald McDonald costume and asks if I want
>> fries with my meal.
>
>heyhey cool. Now theres another marketing idea for Mr $immon$. The Mc$immon$
>Burger bar. All burgers cooked with flames grills and rare dripping with
>blood....
>
>Should I patent the idea before he does ?
>
>Then again, if Gene does go ahead with the idea it won't last very long
>anyhow.......
>

Hopefully there is no truth to the rumor that McDonalds is introducing
a lip sandwich called the McJagger to commemorate the Rolling Stones'
US tour.

Steamer

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Sep 5, 2005, 5:42:32 PM9/5/05
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Bone Machine wrote:

> Hopefully there is no truth to the rumor that McDonalds is introducing
> a lip sandwich called the McJagger to commemorate the Rolling Stones'
> US tour.

LOFL!!! I remember hearing that McJagger joke about 15 years ago. :-)

From what I heard, the Stones were excellent in Ottawa last weekend and in
Moncton, New Brunswick the other night. Too bad I didn't go. :-( Oh well,
just 5 1/2 weeks until I see Judas Priest and Anthrax! :-)

Peter Alerich

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Sep 5, 2005, 8:14:28 PM9/5/05
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On 4 Sep 2005 23:11:19 -0700, "The Space Boss" <drsmi...@aol.com>
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>Dear Peter, SHEMP WAS BEFORE CURLY YOU KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not in the film shorts they made with Columbia Pictures for which they
are famous. Shemp was part of their act (I don't think they were even
called The Three Stooges at that point) with Moe and Larry before
that. Shemp left the act, Curly (Jerome) joined, they began making
film shorts, Curly became ill (and never returned to The Stooges) and
Shemp took his place in the film shorts.

Not to put too fine a point on it, of course. :)
Peter

Donnie Gerrin

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Sep 6, 2005, 4:38:11 PM9/6/05
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I don't blame you there.
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Donnie Gerrin

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Yes.
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Steamer

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Sep 6, 2005, 5:16:53 PM9/6/05
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Donnie Gerrin wrote:

>>> If Ronald McDonald leaves and a replacement comes in with
>>> the same costume and makeup will you not eat there anymore?
>>
>> did the original guy who played ronald mcdonald create the character as an
>> extension of his own personality?
>>

> Yes.

It should be noted that Ronald McDonald is NOT an integral part of having a
meal at McDonald's. Do you expect to be paid a visit by Ronald every time
you eat there (or even take out)? I would hope not. Furthermore, many
McDonald's commercials on TV don't even have Ronald in them.

However, when KISS are in make-up, the "characters" are an integral part of
the band visually. Big difference.


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Pyro Messiah

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Sep 6, 2005, 6:40:34 PM9/6/05
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:16:53 -0400, Steamer <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>Donnie Gerrin wrote:
>
>>>> If Ronald McDonald leaves and a replacement comes in with
>>>> the same costume and makeup will you not eat there anymore?
>>>
>>> did the original guy who played ronald mcdonald create the character as an
>>> extension of his own personality?
>>>
>> Yes.
>
>It should be noted that Ronald McDonald is NOT an integral part of having a
>meal at McDonald's. Do you expect to be paid a visit by Ronald every time
>you eat there (or even take out)? I would hope not. Furthermore, many
>McDonald's commercials on TV don't even have Ronald in them.
>
>However, when KISS are in make-up, the "characters" are an integral part of
>the band visually. Big difference.

I disagree. The characters in KISS aren't an integral part of the
band. It's the actual men who portrayed them. The fact that
popularity has dropped off with the loss of Ace and Peter shows that
people care more about the men behind the makeup than the makeup
itself.

Steamer

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Sep 6, 2005, 7:23:19 PM9/6/05
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Pyro Messiah wrote:

>>It should be noted that Ronald McDonald is NOT an integral part of having a
>>meal at McDonald's. Do you expect to be paid a visit by Ronald every time
>>you eat there (or even take out)? I would hope not. Furthermore, many
>>McDonald's commercials on TV don't even have Ronald in them.
>>
>>However, when KISS are in make-up, the "characters" are an integral part of
>>the band visually. Big difference.
>
> I disagree. The characters in KISS aren't an integral part of the
> band. It's the actual men who portrayed them. The fact that
> popularity has dropped off with the loss of Ace and Peter shows that
> people care more about the men behind the makeup than the makeup
> itself.

That's actually along the lines of what I was thinking. Because Ronald
McDonald is not integral to McDonald's, it is not important who is
portraying him at a given time. But with KISS, the members are integral and
it is important to many fans who is in the band. Thus, it most certainly
matters whose behind the make-up, especially if replacements wear the
make-up of former members. It has to be the originator or nobody at all.

Steamer

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Sep 6, 2005, 7:33:11 PM9/6/05
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I wrote:

> Thus, it most certainly
> matters whose behind the make-up

Uh, it most certainly matters who's (or who is) behind the make-up.

Caffeine

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Donnie Gerrin wrote:
> Yes.

liar.

besides, it was a rhetorical question...
(it's a word, look it up)


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The Space Boss

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Tattoo Vampire wrote:


>
> After McD's hired Scott, Vorhees was let go, and subsequently enjoined from
> performing as, or exhibiting the likeness of, Ronald Mcdonald in any form.
>
> So, indeed, all subsequent Ronald McDonalds have been scabs!

WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION WILL ALL THESE ASSHOLES HERE PUT THEIR MONEY
WHERE THERE MOUTH IS AND STOP GOING TO MCDONALDS?

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steveh99

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Sep 7, 2005, 5:38:42 AM9/7/05
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Agreed! I think most fans would agree.

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steveh99

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Sep 7, 2005, 5:41:19 AM9/7/05
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I don't go to McDonalds.. Overpriced garbage

In article <1126081142....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
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Tattoo Vampire

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The Space Boss wrote:

> WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION WILL ALL THESE ASSHOLES HERE PUT THEIR MONEY
> WHERE THERE MOUTH IS AND STOP GOING TO MCDONALDS?

Troll-o-meter:

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The Space Boss

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howldog wrote:

>
>
> to further complicate matters, i think it depends on which guy is
> wearing the old characters makeup. for example, as despised as he is,
> I dont think a version of Kiss with a Simmons replacement would sell
> many tickets. Stanley, same thing more or less.

As if this is some sort of revelation you've stumbled upon. Kiss is
Stanley and Simmons. It is they who wrote the songs and hired Ace and
Peter from the very beginning.

Donnie Gerrin

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>> I agree that all things concidered I would rather the band be all
>> original. But since that's not likely to be I don't have a problem with
>> the band as it is. They still put on a heck of a show and I think they
>> play pretty well together and at least we have Kiss to see perform which
>> to me is better than no Kiss at all. The makeup part don't bother me it's
>> the look of the band. Kiss has to have a cat and a spaceman no matter who
>> it is. If not it changes the look of the band. I know a lot of you won't
>> agree but this is just my opinion and that's what we are all here for to
>> discuss and give our views on things.
>>


Donnie Gerrin

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Sep 7, 2005, 3:37:20 PM9/7/05
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I agree if Paul or Gene were ever replaced it would damage the band beyond
repair for they are the founding members to me that's different than the
other two band members. I've seen groups before try to go on with a new lead
singer and it's just not the same.
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Steamer

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Sep 7, 2005, 4:12:10 PM9/7/05
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The Spaced DOLT wrote:

> As if this is some sort of revelation you've stumbled upon. Kiss is
> Stanley and Simmons. It is they who wrote the songs and hired Ace and
> Peter from the very beginning.

Gene and Paul may have written and sung the bulk of the songs, but it was
Ace and Peter who provided the biggest pieces of the classic KISS sound. Do
you honestly think that they would have made it with musicians with no
unique style or personality? I don't think so. It took all 4 guys for them
to reach the top, not just Gene and Paul. Get over it, sheep!

Steamer

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Sep 7, 2005, 4:17:21 PM9/7/05
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Donnie Gerrin wrote:

> I agree if Paul or Gene were ever replaced it would damage the band beyond
> repair for they are the founding members to me that's different than the
> other two band members.

I'm sorry, but you leave me no choice but to say... The sheep bleateth!

Gene and Paul may have been the founders, but it still gives them NO REASON
to slap Ace's and Peter's make-up on replacements. The band is already
damaged beyond repair as a result of not only having replacements wear Ace's
and Peter's make-up, but also from a lack of new music in 7 years, an
overload of merchandise, and Gene's silly extra-curricular crap.


> I've seen groups before try to go on with a new lead
> singer and it's just not the same.

Fans of many bands feel the same way not just with singers, but with other
musicians in the bands as well.

steveh99

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A lot of people have said a lot of things regarding Ace, Gene, Paul and
Peter but this finally says it all
its like a puzzle and only they fit it

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Pyro Messiah

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Sep 7, 2005, 6:27:41 PM9/7/05
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On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:12:10 -0400, Steamer <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>The Spaced DOLT wrote:
>
>> As if this is some sort of revelation you've stumbled upon. Kiss is
>> Stanley and Simmons. It is they who wrote the songs and hired Ace and
>> Peter from the very beginning.
>

Do
>you honestly think that they would have made it with musicians with no
>unique style or personality?

*See Wicked Lester

Donnie Gerrin

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Sep 8, 2005, 3:23:48 PM9/8/05
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I agree Van Halen was still good but really had a very different sound.

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> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:37:20 -0400, "Donnie Gerrin"
> <dgerri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I agree if Paul or Gene were ever replaced it would damage the band beyond
>>repair for they are the founding members to me that's different than the
>>other two band members. I've seen groups before try to go on with a new
>>lead
>>singer and it's just not the same.
>
>
> I've seen and heard Van Halen, ACDC and Deep Purple go on with a
> different lead singer and they sounded better than ever, or at least
> as good as before, in my opinion.
>
>


Donnie Gerrin

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Sep 8, 2005, 3:27:53 PM9/8/05
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We can't help it if Ace can't stay straight enough to be dependable in the
band and I don't know what Peter's problem is.
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Donnie Gerrin

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Sep 8, 2005, 3:30:14 PM9/8/05
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Why is someone a sheep just because they don't agree with you. I was around
in the beginning with Kiss and have followed them over the years. I'm not a
die hard fan who goes to every concert and buys everything they put out. I
just liked the band from the start and I still do.

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Steamer

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Sep 8, 2005, 4:41:13 PM9/8/05
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Donnie Gerrin wrote:

> We can't help it if Ace can't stay straight enough to be dependable in the
> band and I don't know what Peter's problem is.

Who the fuck is "we"?

Again, the issue is NOT replacements filling in for Ace and Peter. The
issue is the replacements wearing their make-up. It's wrong, it's
deceitful, and it's a mockery of the original line-up's legacy. How fucking
hard is it for you to comprehend common sense?

Peter's problem was most likely money. Ace's booze habit may have been a
problem, but I believe that money was also his main problem. Gene and Paul
were too cheap to give them a decent chunk of change. And don't give me the
excuse of them being "employees" because it holds no water. Gene and Paul
should be thankful that Ace's and Peter's mere presence was a major factor
in their wallets becoming full of money again after years of running low.

So don't go blaming Ace and Peter for KISS' problems when it has been Gene
and to some extent Paul who have caused much of the post-reunion problems.

Steamer

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Sep 8, 2005, 4:45:21 PM9/8/05
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Donnie Gerrin wrote:

>>> I agree if Paul or Gene were ever replaced it would damage the band
>>> beyond
>>> repair for they are the founding members to me that's different than the
>>> other two band members.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but you leave me no choice but to say... The sheep bleateth!
>>

> Why is someone a sheep just because they don't agree with you. I was around
> in the beginning with Kiss and have followed them over the years. I'm not a
> die hard fan who goes to every concert and buys everything they put out. I
> just liked the band from the start and I still do.

You're not that bright, are you, Donnie-boy?

You were labelled a sheep because in the short time that you have been here,
you have shown a habit of sticking up for Gene and Paul a lot, and approving
of whatever crap they have thrown at us in recent years. For example, you
toed Gene's party line when you presented the asinine notion that it's OK to
replace Ace and Peter but if Gene or Paul left, KISS was over (see quoted
part above). You were labelled a sheep not because you don't agree with my
opinions, but because you tend to criticize people who don't agree with YOUR
opinions, especially those about KISS (Gene and Paul in particular). You
have often referred to us critical fans as "haters" and other similar terms.
Again, being critical of a band for something they did does NOT make one a
hater. And besides, most of our criticisms of KISS these days have little
to do with the music and mostly to do with what Gene and Paul have turned
KISS into (which is, a nostalgia act that is stuck in the past). We still
love them for the music they made in the past.

A lot of fans (not a few, but a lot) are not pleased with KISS right now and
are entitled to criticize them for it. We want the best and, unlike you,
will settle for nothing but the best. Unlike you, a lot of us value Ace and
Peter as much as Gene and Paul, and it is insulting to us that replacements
are wearing their make-up. If the replacements had their own make-up
designs or if the band unmasked, and if Gene would come back down to Earth
and drop the merchandise and other shit and focus solely on KISS, and if
they decided to make quality music regardless of who is in the band, you
would be surprised at how many of us would be less critical.

So here's some advice: GET OVER IT! Put that Outhouse Asspress filter to
use if you don't like what we have to say.

Pamela :)

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"howldog" <edwardappl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126119400.d9618b442b36b306ad15c8061e2f90c7@bubbanews...
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:37:20 -0400, "Donnie Gerrin"
> <dgerri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >I agree if Paul or Gene were ever replaced it would damage the band
beyond
> >repair for they are the founding members to me that's different than the
> >other two band members. I've seen groups before try to go on with a new
lead
> >singer and it's just not the same.
>
>
> I've seen and heard Van Halen, ACDC and Deep Purple go on with a
> different lead singer and they sounded better than ever, or at least
> as good as before, in my opinion.
>
>

Nah, Bon Scott was mucho better.

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steveh99

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Sep 9, 2005, 4:51:42 PM9/9/05
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Ace and Peter were two reasons why the reunion tour grossed more than
$127,000,000
If you don't like them thats your problem but fact is they are money
factors along with Paul and Gene!
The four of them together = big bucks!

In article <KKSdneKFNaY...@comcast.com>, dgerrin231779
@comcast.net says...

The Space Boss

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Sep 9, 2005, 11:25:36 PM9/9/05
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steveh99 wrote:
> Ace and Peter were two reasons why the reunion tour grossed more than
> $127,000,000
> If you don't like them thats your problem but fact is they are money
> factors along with Paul and Gene!
> The four of them together = big bucks!
>

I dunno... the tour where KISS headlined with Aerosmith grossed a
pretty penny.

Pyro Messiah

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Sep 10, 2005, 12:36:19 AM9/10/05
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On 9 Sep 2005 20:25:36 -0700, "The Space Boss" <drsmi...@aol.com>
wrote:

**TROLL BAIT**

steveh99

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Sep 10, 2005, 1:39:58 AM9/10/05
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In article <3lo4i1tpv5s77jr0l...@4ax.com>, VV-
War...@aol.comm says...

The reunion tour was done without any other big name acts to back Kiss
up

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lab~rat >:-)

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Nov 23, 2009, 8:18:20 AM11/23/09
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:01:53 -0400, howldog
<edwardappl...@yahoo.com> puked:

>On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:23:48 -0400, "Donnie Gerrin"
><dgerri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>I agree Van Halen was still good but really had a very different sound.
>
>

>the sound wasnt different to me very much, the singer was different,
>but the music sounded pretty much the same. they sort of changed some
>of their songwriting style a little

I couldn't disagree more.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

lab~rat >:-)

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Nov 23, 2009, 8:21:59 AM11/23/09
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:30:14 -0400, "Donnie Gerrin"
<dgerri...@comcast.net> puked:

>Why is someone a sheep just because they don't agree with you. I was around
>in the beginning with Kiss and have followed them over the years. I'm not a
>die hard fan who goes to every concert and buys everything they put out. I
>just liked the band from the start and I still do.

Well I've been around that long and they totally lost me when they
started bringing in scabs. Did you buy all of their albums during
that time?

FVH

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:59:01 PM11/23/09
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Why are you re-hashing 4 year old posts? Weird.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Nov 23, 7:21 am, "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:30:14 -0400, "Donnie Gerrin"

> <dgerrin231...@comcast.net> puked:

lab~rat >:-)

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Nov 23, 2009, 3:01:59 PM11/23/09
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:59:01 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
puked:

>Why are you re-hashing 4 year old posts? Weird.

What's weird is for some reason they were coming up as unread in my
reader. I think mindspring burped, and it's my fault for not reading
the dates, but I'm still right. ;)

FVH

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Nov 24, 2009, 12:19:07 AM11/24/09
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Oh, ok. Sometimes, people will go through old threads and get them
going again. I thought you were doing this.

Funny how we're still bitching about Thayer and Singer after all this
time. However, I blame Gene & Paul for that since they refuse to
change or evolve KISS. The complaints 4 years ago are still valid
today.

FVH
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-
AJ,2009
I'd rather speak American.-AKKK, language expert
Mexicans and Latinos aren't Americans.-AJ, geography major.
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump,AKKK.
Dance, essay-AKKK, El Baboso
A fucking NG geek and a transvestite like you is the least of my
worries.- AJ, tranny lover.
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
Don't blame Ace for something unless you can handle the fact that
Gene and Paul are guilty of the same thing.-Steamer
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

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