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AJ

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Dec 26, 2009, 2:45:44 AM12/26/09
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www.pollstar.com

Pollstar has released the attendance figures for some of the KISS
concerts from the North American leg of the Alive 35/Sonic Boom tour.

September 25, 2009 Cobo Arena DETROIT, MI 10,780/10,780 (sellout) End
Stage: 11.961
September 26, 2009 Cobo Arena DETROIT, MI 10,780/10,780 (sellout) End
Stage: 11.961
September 28, 2009 Quicken Loans Arena CLEVELAND, OH 8,903/ 8,903
(sellout) End Stage: 17.490
September 29, 2009 John Labatt Centre LONDON, ON 8,500/ 8,500
(sellout) End Stage: 9.570
October 1, 2009 Bell Centre MONTREAL, QC 7,908/ 8,986 End Stage:
15.449
October 2, 2009 Air Canada Centre TORONTO, ON 13,909/13,909 (sellout)
End Stage: 19.800
October 3, 2009 Mohegan Sun Arena UNCASVILLE 7,131/ 7,601 End Stage:
10.000
October 5, 2009 TD Garden BOSTON, MA 8,560/ 8.560 (sellout) End Stage:
18.490
October 7, 2009 GM Centre OSHAWA, ON 5,904/ 5,904 (sellout) End Stage:
6.400
October 9, 2009 Nassau Coliseum UNIONDALE, NY 10,213/10,213 (sellout)
End Stage: 17,760
October 10, 2009 Madison Square Garden NEW YORK CITY, NY 14,339/14.339
(sellout) End Stage: 19.522
October 12, 2009 Wachovia Center PHILADELPHIA, PA 12,579/12,579
(sellout) End Stage: 19.449
October 16, 2009 Hampton Coliseum HAMPTON, VA 7,436/ 7,436 (sellout)
End Stage: 12.075
October 17, 2009 Bi-Lo Center GREENVILLE, SC 10,582/10,582 (sellout)
End Stage: 13.571
October 21, 2009 Saint Pete Times Forum TAMPA, FL 7,282/ 7,793 End
Stage: 19.490
October 24, 2009 Jefferson Arena BIRMINGHAM, AL 8,973/ 8,973 (sellout)
End Stage: 18.940
October 28, 2009 Sommet Center NASHVILLE, TN 10,674/10,674 (sellout)
End Stage: 18.498
November 6, 2009 United Center CHICAGO, IL 13,986/13,986 (sellout) End
Stage: 23.500
November 7, 2009 Target Center MINNEAPOLIS, MN 11,587/12,769 End
Stage: 19.245
November 9, 2009 MTS Center WINNIPEG,MB 11,652/11,652 (sellout) End
Stage: 16.170
November 10, 2009 Credit Union Centre SASKATOON, SK 12,627/12,938 End
Stage: 12.938
November 12, 2009 Pengrowth Saddledome CALGARY, AB 13,063/13,063
(sellout) End Stage: 19.289
November 14, 2009 General Motors Place VANCOUVER, BC 13,546/13,546
(sellout) End Stage: 13.546
November 17, 2009 Rose Garden PORTLAND, OR 9,605/ 9,605 (sellout) End
Stage: 14.870
November 19, 2009 Arco Arena SACRAMENTO, CA 9.123/ 9,123 (sellout) End
Stage: 12.279
November 22, 2009 Oracle Arena OAKLAND, CA 7,829/ 7,829 (sellout) End
Stage: 17.890
November 24, 2009 HondaCenter ANNAHEIM,CA 13,986/13,986 (sellout)
EndStage: 18.325
November 25, 2009 Staples Center LOS ANGELES,CA 13,031/13,031
(sellout) End Stage: 19.998
December 1, 2009 Jobing.com Arena GLENDALE, AR 10,876/10.876 (sellout)
End Stage: 19.472
December 2, 2009 Don Haskins Center EL PASO, TX 6,536/ 6,536 (sellout)
End Stage: 9.870
December 4, 2009 Frank Erwin Center AUSTIN, TX 7,006/10,219 End Stage:
17.141
December 5, 2009 Toyota Centre HOUSTON,TX 12,048/12,048 (sellout) End
Stage: 19.300
December 8, 2009 Bok Center TULSA, OK 10,604/10,604 (sellout) End
Stage: 13.644
December 10, 2009 Sprint Center KANSAS CITY, MO 9,921/ 9.921 (sellout)
End Stage: 19.252
December 11, 2009 Mid America Centre COUNCIL BLUFFS, IA 4,679/ 4,679
(sellout) End Stage: 7,800

FVH

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Dec 26, 2009, 2:57:20 AM12/26/09
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I notice all the dates weren't listed. And a lot of those dates aren't
American dates. I guess you still don't know your geography, dumbass.
Nice try, though, Killer.

Instead of thinking about FVH all the time, try focusing on your own
life. Oh, wait, FVH IS your life, "essay". KISS is dead. Deal with it.
Loser.

FVH
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

FVH

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Dec 26, 2009, 3:18:18 AM12/26/09
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Since AJ doesn't know his geography, I took the time (about 30
seconds) to cull through his data and post the American dates.

September 25, 2009 Cobo Arena DETROIT, MI 10,780/10,780 (sellout) End
Stage: 11.961
September 26, 2009 Cobo Arena DETROIT, MI 10,780/10,780 (sellout) End
Stage: 11.961
September 28, 2009 Quicken Loans Arena CLEVELAND, OH 8,903/ 8,903
(sellout) End Stage: 17.490

October 5, 2009 TD Garden BOSTON, MA 8,560/ 8.560 (sellout) End Stage:
18.490

October 9, 2009 Nassau Coliseum UNIONDALE, NY 10,213/10,213 (sellout)
End Stage: 17,760
October 10, 2009 Madison Square Garden NEW YORK CITY, NY 14,339/14.339
(sellout) End Stage: 19.522
October 12, 2009 Wachovia Center PHILADELPHIA, PA 12,579/12,579
(sellout) End Stage: 19.449
October 16, 2009 Hampton Coliseum HAMPTON, VA 7,436/ 7,436 (sellout)
End Stage: 12.075
October 17, 2009 Bi-Lo Center GREENVILLE, SC 10,582/10,582 (sellout)
End Stage: 13.571
October 21, 2009 Saint Pete Times Forum TAMPA, FL 7,282/ 7,793 End
Stage: 19.490
October 24, 2009 Jefferson Arena BIRMINGHAM, AL 8,973/ 8,973 (sellout)
End Stage: 18.940
October 28, 2009 Sommet Center NASHVILLE, TN 10,674/10,674 (sellout)
End Stage: 18.498
November 6, 2009 United Center CHICAGO, IL 13,986/13,986 (sellout) End
Stage: 23.500
November 7, 2009 Target Center MINNEAPOLIS, MN 11,587/12,769 End
Stage: 19.245

November 17, 2009 Rose Garden PORTLAND, OR 9,605/ 9,605 (sellout) End
Stage: 14.870
November 19, 2009 Arco Arena SACRAMENTO, CA 9.123/ 9,123 (sellout) End
Stage: 12.279
November 22, 2009 Oracle Arena OAKLAND, CA 7,829/ 7,829 (sellout) End
Stage: 17.890
November 24, 2009 HondaCenter ANNAHEIM,CA 13,986/13,986 (sellout) End
Stage: 18.325
November 25, 2009 Staples Center LOS ANGELES,CA 13,031/13,031
(sellout) End Stage: 19.998
December 1, 2009 Jobing.com Arena GLENDALE, AR 10,876/10.876 (sellout)
End Stage: 19.472
December 2, 2009 Don Haskins Center EL PASO, TX 6,536/ 6,536 (sellout)
End Stage: 9.870
December 4, 2009 Frank Erwin Center AUSTIN, TX 7,006/10,219 End Stage:
17.141
December 5, 2009 Toyota Centre HOUSTON,TX 12,048/12,048 (sellout) End
Stage: 19.300
December 8, 2009 Bok Center TULSA, OK 10,604/10,604 (sellout) End
Stage: 13.644
December 10, 2009 Sprint Center KANSAS CITY, MO 9,921/ 9.921 (sellout)
End Stage: 19.252
December 11, 2009 Mid America Centre COUNCIL BLUFFS, IA 4,679/ 4,679
(sellout) End Stage: 7,800

FVH

steveh99

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:04:47 AM12/26/09
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In article <4d2f45ff-46e0-489d-9b96-52e24bf12bd2
@j42g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...

Most of these are small venues

FVH

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Dec 26, 2009, 11:46:58 AM12/26/09
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Killer got these "numbers" off KISSFAQ. And as in the case over there,
there's no direct link to these numbers, just a link to pollstar.com.
Until there's further, solid proof that mirrors these numbers, I'm
calling bullshit.

The only reason Killer posted this was to, in his mind, prove FVH
wrong hence the subject line. He did his famous copy and paste job
without doing actual research to verify his claims. What he's glossing
over is that I long ago conceded that this US leg of the tour did a
lot better than I expected, so there's no need to drudge up something
I disproved myself. He's so silly!

FVH
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

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FVH

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Dec 26, 2009, 10:54:45 PM12/26/09
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My show (Dallas 12/6) wasn't listed either. It wasn't a sellout, but
there's was a pretty good crowd that night. Probably 90% full. Those
numbers aren't accurate.

FVH
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Dec 26, 9:24 pm, evadnikufesin
<evadnikufe...@gmail.invalidcom.domain> wrote:
> Seattle wasn't a sellout and isn't listed here either.  It was on Nov 18 I think.


AJ

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Dec 26, 2009, 11:59:32 PM12/26/09
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On Dec 26, 2:57�am, FVH <fvhisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Instead of thinking about FVH all the time, try focusing on your own
> life. Oh, wait, FVH IS your life, "essay".


So I post a new KISS thread in a KISS NG and somehow you think this
has something to do with you? LOL! Seek help ASAP. LOL!!!

FVH

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Dec 27, 2009, 12:14:17 AM12/27/09
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Please. The subject line gives you away, Killer. That just happens to
be an old quote of mine and you somehow chose those words as your
subject line. The irony is mind boggling! You're beyond dumb, you're a
flat out liar. No two ways about that, "essay". (shaking my head)

FVH
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

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Tattoo Vampire

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Dec 27, 2009, 10:01:23 AM12/27/09
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AJ wrote:

> So I post a new KISS thread in a KISS NG and somehow you think this
> has something to do with you? LOL! Seek help ASAP. LOL!!!

Why can't you two keep this crap in alt.music.kiss?


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AJ

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Dec 27, 2009, 4:26:44 PM12/27/09
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On Dec 27, 12:14�am, FVH <fvhisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please. The subject line gives you away, Killer. That just happens to
> be an old quote of mine and you somehow chose those words as your
> subject line.

Yours? Yeah and about a hundred other bashers online. Get a life.

FVH

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:06:40 AM12/28/09
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AJ's only reason to post these "numbers" was in response to an old
statement I made about KISS not being able to sell out in America,
which by the way is still true.

In regards to your fudging of the numbers point, you're right EVERY
band (and sports team) does this. In sports, teams that are bad
practice this all the time. Last month the LA Clippers claimed they
sold 19,000 tickets for a spare game, when in reality they didn't have
5,000 in attendance. Baseball loves to inflate their attendance
numbers more than any sport.

FVH
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Dec 27, 6:06 am, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> I believe AJ's just tweaking FVH, as MSG holds way more than 14,339. I
> know two suckers er friends who went to that show and both
> unequivocally stated that the place had quite a few seats available.
> Numbers are like politicians, they can be made to appear however you'd
> like them to.


FVH

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:09:22 AM12/28/09
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Aw, fans who don't wave their KISS pom poms every waking moment are
"bashers", eh? Words of a sheep.

And yes, you made this thread in response to my "KISS can't sell out
in America" quote. Deny it all you want, but your actions contradict
your lies, Killer.

FVH
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

Axe Smashing Jason

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Dec 28, 2009, 12:55:52 PM12/28/09
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> > Yours?  Yeah and about a hundred other bashers online.  Get a life.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

There. That settles it.

FVH

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Dec 28, 2009, 1:01:58 PM12/28/09
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No it doesn't because I'm not a "real fan". C'mon, pay attention.

FVH
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.


Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Dec 28, 11:55 am, Axe Smashing Jason <axesmashingja...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> There. That settles it.

Zelix

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:18:36 PM12/28/09
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On Dec 28, 1:01 pm, FVH <fvhisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No it doesn't because I'm not a "real fan". C'mon, pay attention.
>


[S][P][A][C][E][M][A][N]?


Tattoo Vampire

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Dec 28, 2009, 2:35:02 PM12/28/09
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Zelix wrote:

> [S][P][A][C][E][M][A][N]?

TOMMY IS [R][E][P][L][A][C][E][A][C][E]

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Zelix

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Dec 28, 2009, 3:49:20 PM12/28/09
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On Dec 28, 2:35 pm, Tattoo Vampire <sitt...@this.computer> wrote:
> Zelix wrote:
> > [S][P][A][C][E][M][A][N]?
>
> TOMMY IS [R][E][P][L][A][C][E][A][C][E]
>
> --

S*XY TRICKLE?

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Tattoo Vampire

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Dec 28, 2009, 5:09:37 PM12/28/09
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Spinal Kiss wrote:

> or [R][E][P][L][A][C][E][M][A][N]

LOL

Gene is [F][A][T][B][A][T]

--
Regards,
[tv]
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC

...A crucifix? Oy vey, have you got the wrong vampire!

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FVH

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Dec 29, 2009, 9:54:04 PM12/29/09
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Love me some [B][R][A][C][K][E][T] [W][E][S][L][E][Y]!

FVH
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Dec 29, 9:10 am, themeekshallinhe...@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:09:37 -0500, Tattoo Vampire


>
> <sitt...@this.computer> wrote:
> >Spinal Kiss wrote:
>
> >> or  [R][E][P][L][A][C][E][M][A][N]
>
> >LOL
>
> >Gene is [F][A][T][B][A][T]
>

> [T][R][U][E] [D][A][T][!]
> db
> --
>
> Politics are like Global Thermonuclear War. The only way to win,
> is not to play the game....
>
> The Many
> The Once Proud
> The KISS Marines
>
> Remember it's never to late to serve! Fight The AXIS OF SHEEPLE!

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lab~rat >:-)

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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), AJ <misfits...@aol.com>
puked:

I never saw numbers for the Sunrise show 10/22 at BankAtlantic center.
Does your source have those?

--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

AJ

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Jan 4, 2010, 8:43:19 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 4, 10:02�am, "lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com>


No. Sorry. What was posted above were the only shows that have came
in so far.

FVH

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:21:37 AM1/5/10
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AJ got these "numbers" from KISSFAQ.com. They are not official
numbers.

FVH
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

nbn

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Jan 11, 2010, 5:42:48 PM1/11/10
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), AJ <misfits...@aol.com>
wrote:


>Cobo Arena DETROIT, MI 10,780/10,780 (sellout)

Cobo Arena is a 12,191-seat indoor arena

>September 28, 2009 Quicken Loans Arena CLEVELAND, OH 8,903/ 8,903

Seating capacity for Quicken Loans Arena events is 20500

>September 29, 2009 John Labatt Centre LONDON, ON 8,500/ 8,500

Sellout. Small venue

>October 1, 2009 Bell Centre MONTREAL, QC 7,908/ 8,986

It has a seating capacity of 21,273, making it the largest of any
National Hockey League (NHL) arena.

>October 2, 2009 Air Canada Centre TORONTO, ON 13,909/13,909 (sellout)

Full Concert (west end stage): 15,800


4 out of 5 venues were reduced seating. I'd could continue but it
would be a real waste of my time and I've sufficiently made my point.

FVH

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Yet another fact AJ runs away from. Figures.

FVH
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

On Jan 11, 4:42 pm, nbn<d...@bother.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:45:44 -0800 (PST), AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com>

nbn

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:39:25 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhis...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Yet another fact AJ runs away from. Figures.

It would appear that way, wouldn't it? Facts can be an ugly thing. I
didn't expect a response. He was wrong - game over.

AJ

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On Jan 21, 7:03�pm, nbn<d...@bother.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:39:25 -0800 (PST), FVH <fvhisgr...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> >Yet another fact AJ runs away from. Figures.
>
> It would appear that way, wouldn't it? Facts can be an ugly thing. I
> didn't expect a response. He was wrong - game over.

Two different sources and I'm wrong? Bottom line, KISS continues and
have proven they can still get promoters every year, unlike some here
have claimed in the past KISS couldn't do anymore. AGAIN, if only 2
tickets are for sale and if both sell, then it's a sellout.

FVH

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Jan 21, 2010, 11:05:16 PM1/21/10
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On Jan 21, 9:46 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> Two different sources and I'm wrong?

Two UNCONFIRMED sources, Killer. Neither one of your "sources"
provided links or any kind of proof that backed up those numbers.

> Bottom line, KISS continues and have proven they can still get promoters every year,

"Getting promoters" and selling out are 2 different things.

> unlike some here have claimed in the past KISS couldn't do anymore.

And those of us who said KISS can't sell out in America anymore were
proven to be correct on this last tour. Again, I was there--you
weren't. I saw the non sell outs with my own 2 eyes.

> AGAIN, if only 2 tickets are for sale and if both sell, then it's a sellout.

AGAIN, claiming you sold all available tickets and having said number
of butts in those seats are 2 different things. All you're doing is
grasping for straws, "essay". Face it, KISS can't sell out in America
anymore. Fact. Idiot.

FVH
Until then please re frame from wasting your efforts to impress us and
wasting our time.-AJ, putting me in my place!

steveh99

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Jan 21, 2010, 11:10:37 PM1/21/10
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In article <f37f579e-ed1a-426b-80d6-
022891...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com
says...

AJ you say the same dumb shit over and over.. Hasnt it occured to you
YET that all Paul and Gene care about is your money?

FVH

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He'll never face reality. It's not in his blood to do so. He still
thinks KISS is for the fans. LOL!!!

He can't let go, because it's all he's got in life. He needs KISS to
make him feel special.

FVH
Until then please re frame from wasting your efforts to impress us and
wasting our time.-AJ, putting me in my place!

10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch
that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any lesser
I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

steveh99

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Jan 21, 2010, 11:25:43 PM1/21/10
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In article <1d638725-5f87-4a0a-8479-df349cb38fb0
@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, fvhis...@gmail.com says...


I will never buy another Kiss related cd again. I bought Ace's
"Anomaly" and I like it but I will NEVER waste my money on Kiss again

Pyro Messiah

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:10:37 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
wrote:

That's not true. They care about my money too. And yours. And...

AJ

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On Jan 21, 11:10�pm, steveh99 <steve...@windstream.net> wrote:
> AJ you say the same dumb shit over and over.. Hasnt it occured to you
> YET that all Paul and Gene care about is your money?

I'm not a liberal, so I don't concern myself with who wants more money
or how much they make. Besides, everyone that gets on stage and sells
tickets wants your money. You're still missing the point. YOU and
others like YOU have come here for over a decade and swear this year
after another is the end of KISS. 13 years later, they're still going
and YOU're still bitching. LOL!

FVH

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On Jan 22, 9:21 pm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> I'm not a liberal, so I don't concern myself with who wants more money or how much they make.

Yet, you're constantly trying to compare how much money you have vs
how much I have (which you have no clue in my case). That's why you
have it built up in your mind that you're this "rich, white guy" and
I'm poor. You're such a fucking liar that you can't keep up with your
stupidity. You're dumb as fuck, "essay".

> Besides, everyone that gets on stage and sells tickets wants your money.  You're still missing the point.

I think YOU'RE the one "missing the point", Killer.

> YOU and others like YOU have come here for over a decade and swear this year after another is the end of KISS.

The end of KISS in America was after the "Farewell" Tour. Most fans
lost interest in the band once Peter and Ace left the band again. Only
sheep and those of us who still enjoy going to shows are hanging
around. Fact.

> 13 years later, they're still going

They're hanging on by a cunt hair.

> and YOU're still bitching.  LOL!

The only one bitching is you, Killer. Instead of being happy the KISS
is "still going", you come in here and bitch and bitch and bitch about
how the "bashers" keep bashing. You're trying to make it look like
you're rubbing it in the "bashers" faces, but in reality, like what
you do with FVH, you're trying to convince yourself that your lies are
facts. We all know what's going on, Rebel. Your insecurity is showing
more than you'll ever realize.

FVH
Until then please re frame from wasting your efforts to impress us and
wasting our time.-AJ, putting me in my place!

steveh99

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In article <616d6e2f-e5a2-42d7-b422-92f621f3a069
@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, misfits...@aol.com says...

Oh I forgot anyone that isnt a liberal has no money concerns.. I am
terribly sorry

steveh99

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Jan 23, 2010, 2:46:28 AM1/23/10
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In article <6da3f464-58f7-4585-8c9d-9ca2c7418a14
@n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, fvhis...@gmail.com says...

AJ my wife's dad probably has 3x more money than all you clowns put
together and he doesnt act like any of you and thats pretty sad
considering

steveh99

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Jan 23, 2010, 2:47:48 AM1/23/10
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In article <6da3f464-58f7-4585-8c9d-9ca2c7418a14
@n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, fvhis...@gmail.com says...
>

that wasnt directed at you FVH but AJ

83LowRider

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"steveh99" wrote:

> AJ my wife's dad probably has 3x more money than all you clowns put
> together and he doesnt act like any of you and thats pretty sad
> considering

And yet here you are constantly bitching because he has
to pay a thousand dollars a month for health insurance for
three more years until he reaches 65? Same guy?

Is this not also the same man that worked for Anhauser
Busch for 33 years? You know, the one that you said was
shit on by a company that paid for his house and to raise
his kids, the company that paid for his cars over the years
and the electric bills and put food on the table for everyone?
I bet all those 33 years he paid very little or nothing for the
health care provided to him, his spouse and his kids.
Hopefully the education he and AB provided for his daughter
wasn't wasted as badly as the one provided you.


FVH

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Jan 23, 2010, 3:04:27 PM1/23/10
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Yeah, I know. I was just pointing out AJ's hypocrisy (again) when he
claims he doesn't concern himself with how much money others make. 99%
of his posts to me are about he he's this "rich, white guy" (yeah,
right), and how big of a "fortune" he claims to make at his "store".
The guy is a terrible liar.

Nutella

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Jan 23, 2010, 9:03:27 PM1/23/10
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On Jan 23, 3:04 pm, FVH <fvhisgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Serious question: Does anyone know how much Gene Simmons net worth
actually is?
I'm guessing it's about 300 mil or more. Hey, more power to him. I
don't have it in me
to command that kind of money. I wish I did.

Did the band ever put out a Greatest Hits based on the first three
albums, or does ALIVE stand in for that?

thx

-Steve

steveh99

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Jan 23, 2010, 10:13:02 PM1/23/10
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In article <46312078-6c9d-44f0-9b44-
ff54ed...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, fvhis...@gmail.com says...

If I were worth a hundred million dollars I wouldnt be the greedy assed
asshole a lot of people here are

steveh99

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Jan 23, 2010, 10:14:22 PM1/23/10
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In article <27886ba4-81a7-4f04-9bea-602c407c2353
@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, amongthe...@yahoo.com says...

There were "The Originls" which was a three album set which was
nothing more than a set of the first three albums repackaged

Nutella

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On Dec 26 2009, 2:45 am, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:

I think a lot of popular artists are having trouble selling out during
the past year or so. I think that's one of the reasons
why the Stones haven't been touring, word was they were waiting for
times to get better then they would announce something
(tour without an album).

lab~rat >:-)

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:43:07 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
puked:

I think he was saying that he doesn't worry about how much other
people make.

lab~rat >:-)

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On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:13:02 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
puked:

>
>If I were worth a hundred million dollars I wouldnt be the greedy assed
>asshole a lot of people here are

You might be. There are different kinds of greed. In one case you
could donate big chunks of cash to charities, and in the same breath
not budge a cent off of the cost of your products or services.

steveh99

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Jan 25, 2010, 8:12:21 AM1/25/10
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In article <pd5rl5hf1l6fl6ad2...@4ax.com>,
ch...@cheeze.net says...

I'm sure he doesn't

Message has been deleted

steveh99

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In article <9jgrl592f3v1mlkhn...@4ax.com>,
mr_rc_...@gmail.com says...
> isnt he the one who cant afford health insurance?

I didnt say he couldnt afford health insurance. I said he pays a $1000 a
month prem

lab~rat >:-)

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:12:31 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
puked:

>In article <9jgrl592f3v1mlkhn...@4ax.com>,
>mr_rc_...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:46:28 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6da3f464-58f7-4585-8c9d-9ca2c7418a14
>> >@n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, fvhis...@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 22, 9:21ÔøΩpm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> > I'm not a liberal, so I don't concern myself with who wants more money or how much they make.
>> >>
>> >> Yet, you're constantly trying to compare how much money you have vs
>> >> how much I have (which you have no clue in my case). That's why you
>> >> have it built up in your mind that you're this "rich, white guy" and
>> >> I'm poor. You're such a fucking liar that you can't keep up with your
>> >> stupidity. You're dumb as fuck, "essay".
>> >>

>> >> > Besides, everyone that gets on stage and sells tickets wants your money. ÔøΩYou're still missing the point.


>> >>
>> >> I think YOU'RE the one "missing the point", Killer.
>> >>
>> >> > YOU and others like YOU have come here for over a decade and swear this year after another is the end of KISS.
>> >>
>> >> The end of KISS in America was after the "Farewell" Tour. Most fans
>> >> lost interest in the band once Peter and Ace left the band again. Only
>> >> sheep and those of us who still enjoy going to shows are hanging
>> >> around. Fact.
>> >>
>> >> > 13 years later, they're still going
>> >>
>> >> They're hanging on by a cunt hair.
>> >>

>> >> > and YOU're still bitching. ÔøΩLOL!

Why does he do that? He doesn't have to.

steveh99

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In article <lvrrl5t4o66koqrq4...@4ax.com>,
ch...@cheeze.net says...

>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:12:31 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
> puked:
>
> >In article <9jgrl592f3v1mlkhn...@4ax.com>,
> >mr_rc_...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:46:28 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <6da3f464-58f7-4585-8c9d-9ca2c7418a14
> >> >@n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, fvhis...@gmail.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jan 22, 9:21Êpm, AJ <misfitskiss...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I'm not a liberal, so I don't concern myself with who wants more money or how much they make.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yet, you're constantly trying to compare how much money you have vs
> >> >> how much I have (which you have no clue in my case). That's why you
> >> >> have it built up in your mind that you're this "rich, white guy" and
> >> >> I'm poor. You're such a fucking liar that you can't keep up with your
> >> >> stupidity. You're dumb as fuck, "essay".
> >> >>
> >> >> > Besides, everyone that gets on stage and sells tickets wants your money. ÊYou're still missing the point.

> >> >>
> >> >> I think YOU'RE the one "missing the point", Killer.
> >> >>
> >> >> > YOU and others like YOU have come here for over a decade and swear this year after another is the end of KISS.
> >> >>
> >> >> The end of KISS in America was after the "Farewell" Tour. Most fans
> >> >> lost interest in the band once Peter and Ace left the band again. Only
> >> >> sheep and those of us who still enjoy going to shows are hanging
> >> >> around. Fact.
> >> >>
> >> >> > 13 years later, they're still going
> >> >>
> >> >> They're hanging on by a cunt hair.
> >> >>
> >> >> > and YOU're still bitching. ÊLOL!

this is the real world asside from yours people do have to pay the shit
if thy wanna keep it. Its the insurance he had when he left the company
he worked for for more than 30 years.. He has to, if he doesnt he has no
insurance. He's already been around that block a few times, he has to
believe me

lab~rat >:-)

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:34:50 -0500, steveh99 <stev...@windstream.net>
puked:

>> >> >AJ my wife's dad probably has 3x more money than all you clowns put
>> >> >together and he doesnt act like any of you and thats pretty sad
>> >> >considering
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> isnt he the one who cant afford health insurance?
>> >
>> >I didnt say he couldnt afford health insurance. I said he pays a $1000 a
>> >month prem
>>
>> Why does he do that? He doesn't have to.
>
>this is the real world asside from yours people do have to pay the shit
>if thy wanna keep it. Its the insurance he had when he left the company
>he worked for for more than 30 years.. He has to, if he doesnt he has no
>insurance. He's already been around that block a few times, he has to
>believe me

No one is making him buy insurance. Only a sick, oppressive
government that has no idea how America is supposed to work would make
him do that.

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