Dogman (the song) recording process
David Whiteman
It sounds to me that the vocals in Dogman were not recorded in one
take. Doug's voice seems to have a different quality (tone? volume?)
when he starts singing the last chorus ("remembering the times i
pray"). Has anyone else picked up on this?
David
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It wouldn't be a surprise. I think it's a pretty rare thing for vocals to
be recorded in one complete take these days.
Wonky...@my-dejanews.com
In article <35881FEE...@AppliedReasoning.com>,
David Whiteman <whit...@AppliedReasoning.com> wrote:
>
> It sounds to me that the vocals in Dogman were not recorded in one
> take. Doug's voice seems to have a different quality (tone? volume?)
> when he starts singing the last chorus ("remembering the times i
> pray"). Has anyone else picked up on this?
>
> David
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I laughed out loud when I read this one, David (not AT you, of course!!! )
I didn't notice a 'tonal variance' in 'Dogman', but I can tell you that there
is pretty much no such thing as a "one-take vocal" on a studio album.
Sometimes, lines are punched in one at a time! I've punched in the MIDDLE of a
line before. While it's a lofty goal to achieve a "one-take"-er, producers and
artists get pretty nit-picky whilst recording a vocal track, since that's the
most important thing on any rock recording these days.
Yogi
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If I'm correct, I read an article with Brenden O'brien about the recording of
Dogman and he said that the guys came in the studio and did first takes all
over the place. Can't verify that but that is how I remember it. Anyway, if
they are half as good in the studio as they are live, they could manage a few
first takes. They nailed 'We were born to be loved' live, just like the album.
regards
Mark
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In article <199806180443...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
I'm not going to say that it isn't possible that KX lays down everything in
one take. However, when songs are brand-new and being born in the studio,
typically vocal parts are being re-written as they are recorded, as new
phrasing ideas come to mind, the realization that certain lines don't work
hits, etc. The letter-perfect live versions you see come LONG after this
process, and they've had a lot more practice playing the songs at that point.
KX has said in interviews that they have to go back AFTER the album is done
(before a tour) and LEARN how they did it on the record. I would guess this
is typical of a lot of musicians, and it has certainly been my experience.
You're right though, they sure do nail 'We Were Born To Be Loved' live. WHEW.
;-)
MOTOMAN209
> I read an article with Brenden O'brien about the recording of
>Dogman and he said that the guys came in the studio and did first takes all
>over the place.
this is true. we take as many "one takes" as we can. here's a true story:
we were working on one song (on dogman) and i asked jay phebus, our road
manager, if he would pop over to the nearest music store and buy me a wah wah
pedal. at the time i hadn't owned one in years. i never used them hardly at
all in the past and didn't even really know how to use one with actual feel. i
was listening to the song getting ready to try a lead when jay walked in with
the wah wah. i got the chord plugged in seconds before the lead section and i
looked over to brendan and said "hit record"! without any "warm up" i played
the lead with the new wah wah. we kept the take. i believe it was "black the
sky". we recorded a lot of that record "on the fly". <g>
ty
David R. Corr }8^)>
These are the kind of stories that make me proud to be a fan......snif, snif
Dave Corr
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Ben Mueller
Yeah, Ty, you're the man, man. I did that once, you know, recorded a song
in one take, but then I had to tape over it because it sucked.
Michael Straight
On 23 Jun 1998, MOTOMAN209 wrote:
> we were working on one song (on dogman) and i asked jay phebus, our road
> manager, if he would pop over to the nearest music store and buy me a wah wah
> pedal. at the time i hadn't owned one in years. i never used them hardly at
> all in the past and didn't even really know how to use one with actual feel. i
> was listening to the song getting ready to try a lead when jay walked in with
> the wah wah. i got the chord plugged in seconds before the lead section and i
> looked over to brendan and said "hit record"! without any "warm up" i played
> the lead with the new wah wah. we kept the take. i believe it was "black the
> sky". we recorded a lot of that record "on the fly". <g>
That's hilarious. I *love* that solo. It sounds so big and fat and it
seems to go with the song really well.
You're amazing, Ty. Now if only someone would buy you a SHIFT key for
your keyboard, I'll bet you could use that without any practice too!
Michael Straight "Everybody knows a little bit of something."-King's X /~\/~\
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Ben Mueller wrote in message ...
>Yeah, Ty, you're the man, man. I did that once, you know, recorded a song
>in one take, but then I had to tape over it because it sucked.
LOL yeah, me too...played the most 'amazing' solo...but forgot to press
'record'
Dez
Mark Delsing
On 23 Jun 1998 06:27:38 GMT, motom...@aol.com (MOTOMAN209) wrote:
>we were working on one song (on dogman) and i asked jay phebus, our road
>manager, if he would pop over to the nearest music store and buy me a wah wah
>pedal. at the time i hadn't owned one in years. i never used them hardly at
>all in the past and didn't even really know how to use one with actual feel.
Well, you coulda fooled me. :)
It seems like wah has become quite a part of your sound since Dogman.
Was the one you used on that track a traditional floor pedal? I
thought I had read somewhere that you were using one of the
rack-mounted CryBabys. If so, why the preference for the rack model?
Just curious.
Stevie Mark
buzz[at]enteract[dot]com
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In article <Pine.A41.3.95L.980624...@login6.isis.unc.edu>,
Michael Straight <stra...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
...
> You're amazing, Ty. Now if only someone would buy you a SHIFT key for
> your keyboard, I'll bet you could use that without any practice too!
the shift key is highly overated - why do only some letters get to be caps?
ever think about that?
hank[ster]
‰
MOTOMAN209
In article <35a23f13...@news.enteract.com>, mdel...@enteract.com (Mark
Delsing) writes:
>It seems like wah has become quite a part of your sound since Dogman.
>Was the one you used on that track a traditional floor pedal? I
>thought I had read somewhere that you were using one of the
>rack-mounted CryBabys. If so, why the preference for the rack model?
>Just curious.
>
>
it was a floor pedal. i later went to the rack mount version because it gives
you a wider control range and you don't waste signal running thru extra cable
at the front of the stage. it is connected to a loop system that completely
bypasses when not in use.
ty (proudly using no 'shift' key) <g>
David R. Corr }8^)>
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>ty (proudly using no 'shift' key) <g>
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David Whiteman
MOTOMAN209 wrote:
> ty (proudly using no 'shift' key) <g>
gosh ty, you even avoided the shift key in typing your quote marks, but you
couldn't get around it in typing the angle brackets <g>
david
MDT1965
Ty must type all the King's X liner notes too. All done in lowercase and no
paragraph indention. <<<<g>>>>
dw...@yesic.com
> ty (proudly using no 'shift' key) <g>
Oh, master Ty....please tell us why you only
type in lower-case. :)
-Don-
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dw...@yesic.com wrote:
i dont know about ty, but here's why i do it:
1. it's easier, thoughts flow better
2. when i do use caps, it provides more EMPHASIS
3. secret conspiracy to destroy the institution known as English
grammer (or grammar?)
4. hey, ty does it. it must be cool!
rick
TStev76015
i dont care what you use ty,i'm just glad you take the time to respond !
tony
pat travers is a guitar legend!
Heidi Belanger
could it be he's an e.e. cummings fan?
Bill Hammell
Parentheses also :)
Bill
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David Whiteman wrote in message <3593972A...@AppliedReasoning.com>...
MOTOMAN209 wrote:
> ty (proudly using no 'shift' key) <g>
gosh ty, you even avoided the shift key in typing your quote marks, but you
Davids Ego
To spite us all Ty is going to show up with his new "shift" key Zion model on
the next tour, replacing the push buttons he'll just have little shift keys
instead :-)
-David K
The EgoMan