hey null...why not return the North and South American continents to their real owners?
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
with all your protestations regarding Israel and the Jews, why have you
personally not returned to your ancestral homeland (wherever that may be)
and encouraged others to do the same and return the North and South American
continents to the Native Americans...also Alaska to the Eskimos and Hawaii
to the Hawaiians and wherever else to their original owners?
while I personally do not advocate the above, you in, order to be
consistent, should be advocating such a return so on a regular basis!
but then, the only consistency you usually exhibit is the propogation of,
often not well documented, opinions of hate-mongers and other unusally
ignorant people.
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
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>
>> hey null!
>>
>> with all your protestations regarding Israel and the Jews, why have
>> you personally not returned to your ancestral homeland (wherever that
>> may be) and encouraged others to do the same and return the North and
>> South American continents to the Native Americans...also Alaska to the
>> Eskimos and Hawaii to the Hawaiians and wherever else to their
>> original owners?
>>
>> while I personally do not advocate the above,
>
> You seem to ADVOCATE it for "Jews" returning to their "ancient
> homeland"!
>
> Am I incorrect? Can you clarify your position?
I would not generally advocate for returning to ancient homelands but the
current Middle-East was defined/divided-up by its "Western" conquerors...it
is all a bit arbitrary and due to the mass exodus from Europe of Jews, those
Western conquerors selected a small portion of the Middle East to be Israel.
not really a great idea but now an actual fact...so if you wait for about
140 years it will be in the same category as you describe the Americas to be
now...so just take a deep breath and relax.
>
> Do you personally advocate the "Jews" "returning" to their "ancient
> homeland"?
> If so, why, when you do not personally advocate it for the Americas?
>
>> you in, order to be
>> consistent, should be advocating such a return so on a regular basis!
>
>
> I deal with the present. I can't go back and change the past.
the present contains the country of Israel!
>
> Tell you what. If I see the US "govt" (really ZOG) pushing Indians or
> Eskimos out of their lands while expecting me to help fund this I'll
> speak out against it. You have my guarantee on this.
>
> I can deal with injustice occurring now. I can't deal with injustice
> that took place 200 yrs ago. Sorry, but I'm forced to be pragmatic on
> this one.
me too
>
>>
>> but then, the only consistency you usually exhibit is the propogation
>> of, often not well documented, opinions of hate-mongers and other
>> unusally ignorant people.
>
> Really? I hate to be a "hate-monger"!
> Maybe I should just sing bomb-bomb-bomb Iran and get a nice pat on the
> back!
> Maybe I'll be considered for president of ZOG!
I personally have been against the war in Iran since the truth has come out
about the lies which were told to us by Bush and Cheney...I do not know why
you brought this up?
very few novels have an index!
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do you hate the real semitic Jews?
Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
found in Israel and from Babylonian and Egyptian sources.
Babylonian evidence:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1246443825291&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Egyptian and Assyrian evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=96946886859
Israel History
http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/israel-history.htm
Israel History - No archaeological discovery has ever refuted a Biblical
reference to ancient Israel. The Old Testament is being validated by the
evidence. ... king of Babylon, as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. ...
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>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
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>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>>> hey null!
>>>>
>>>> with all your protestations regarding Israel and the Jews, why have
>>>> you personally not returned to your ancestral homeland (wherever that
>>>> may be) and encouraged others to do the same and return the North and
>>>> South American continents to the Native Americans...also Alaska to the
>>>> Eskimos and Hawaii to the Hawaiians and wherever else to their
>>>> original owners?
>>>>
>>>> while I personally do not advocate the above,
>>>
>>> You don't??
>>> You seem to ADVOCATE it for "Jews" returning to their "ancient
>>> homeland"!
>>>
>>> Am I incorrect? Can you clarify your position?
>>
>> I would not generally advocate for returning to ancient homelands but
>> the current Middle-East was defined/divided-up by its "Western"
>> conquerors...it is all a bit arbitrary and due to the mass exodus from
>> Europe of Jews, those Western conquerors selected a small portion of the
>> Middle East to be Israel. not really a great idea but now an actual
>> fact...so if you wait for about 140 years it will be in the same
>> category as you describe the Americas to be now...so just take a deep
>> breath and relax.
>
>
> and those remaining will be living in reservations and maybe even addicted
> to alcohol?
> I don't think that is a particularly rosy scenario.
> http://www.holylandunveiled.com/
I would hope not!
>
> Where do you envision "Israel's" borders 140 yrs from now?
>
right where they were defined in 1948
>
>
>>>
>>> Do you personally advocate the "Jews" "returning" to their "ancient
>>> homeland"?
>>> If so, why, when you do not personally advocate it for the Americas?
>>>
>>>> you in, order to be
>>>> consistent, should be advocating such a return so on a regular basis!
>>>
>>>
>>> I deal with the present. I can't go back and change the past.
>>
>> the present contains the country of Israel!
>
> Correct.
> And as I've said, I think "Israel" is a THREAT to the world and must be
> abolished.
> I've posted already posted why I say this.
>
sure you have posted it but there are other more dangerous threats to the
world.
>>>
>>> Tell you what. If I see the US "govt" (really ZOG) pushing Indians or
>>> Eskimos out of their lands while expecting me to help fund this I'll
>>> speak out against it. You have my guarantee on this.
>>>
>>> I can deal with injustice occurring now. I can't deal with injustice
>>> that took place 200 yrs ago. Sorry, but I'm forced to be pragmatic on
>>> this one.
>>
>> me too
>
> It's happening in Palestine. I'm speaking out against it.
>
not the same thing...I am not aware of any "real" Palestinians...just some
folks who squatted on the old Judean lands which got renamed to Palistine.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> but then, the only consistency you usually exhibit is the propogation
>>>> of, often not well documented, opinions of hate-mongers and other
>>>> unusally ignorant people.
>>>
>>> Really? I hate to be a "hate-monger"!
>>> Maybe I should just sing bomb-bomb-bomb Iran and get a nice pat on the
>>> back!
>>> Maybe I'll be considered for president of ZOG!
>>
>> I personally have been against the war in Iran since the truth has come
>> out about the lies which were told to us by Bush and Cheney...I do not
>> know why you brought this up?
>
> I brought it up because you like to throw terms (which I consider to be
> nothing but smears) like hate-monger around very casually.
folks who spew hate are indeed hate-mongers!
>
> When you spew the right kind of hate (directed at the current targets on
> ZOG's hit list) then it's not really hate.
> If anything, you're likely to get a promotion or pay raise.
> It's "hate" to hurt someone's feelings or to say something "insensitive",
> but to spew out a torrent of ZOG war propaganda on the media is "news" or
> "opinion". Even "entertainment" is full of hate -- never really against
> Jews, of course... just the ones Jews want to take stuff from.
>
> Why do you focus on Bush/Cheney?
> The so-called "Office of Special Plans" headed by Zionist Doug Feith was
> cooking up the propaganda.
>
some proof or references?
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>
>> and due to the mass exodus from
>> Europe of Jews,
>
> answer briefly, if you would...
>
> Which "mass exodus" from Europe of Jews?
> When did this "mass exodus" from Europe of Jews take place?
> What stimulated this "mass exodus"?
> Which countries of Europe did the Jews leave?
> Can you state, more or less, the number of Jews who were involved in this
> "mass exodus"?
I would suggest that the migrations from much of Europe began and after
during WW II due to Hitler's purging of Jews. I do not have any numbers but
this might help:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/givennames/dbdespop.htm
>
>
>> those Western conquerors selected a small portion of the
>> Middle East to be Israel.
>
> Can you name who those "Western conquerors" who selected this area were?
this should help...although I do not consider wikipedia to be any sort of
final authority, it often contains good research starting points:
1 Introduction: Jewish history in Israel
1.1 Birth of Judaism and Israel 1400 BCE - 586 BCE
1.2 Babylonian, Persian and Greek rule 586 BCE - 150 BCE
1.3 The restoration of Jewish rule 174 BCE - 64 BCE
1.4 Roman rule 64 BCE - 330
1.5 Byzantine (Christian Roman) rule 330 - 631
1.6 Arab rule 636 - 1099
1.7 Crusader rule 1099 - 1291
1.8 Mamluk (Egyptian - Islamic) rule 1260 - 1517
1.9 Ottoman (Turkish - Islamic) rule 1517 - 1917
2 The Zionist Movement
2.1 1897-1917: The Zionist Revolution
3 1917-1948: British rule: the Jewish national home
3.1 The League of Nations Mandate
3.2 The growth of Arab resistance and immigration restrictions
3.3 The 1939 White Paper and the Holocaust
3.4 1945-1947: Jewish uprising against British rule
3.5 The United Nations decides to partition Palestine
3.6 The War of Independence: The civil war phase
4 Israel 1948 - Present
[edit] The League of Nations Mandate
After World War I, the League of Nations formally assigned the Palestine
mandate to the United Kingdom; endorsing the terms of the Balfour
Declaration and additionally requiring the creation of an independent Jewish
Agency that would administer Jewish affairs in Palestine.[17] Britain signed
an additional treaty with the USA (which did not join the League of Nations)
in which the USA endorsed the terms of the mandate.[18]
The Jewish Agency was managed by a council of 224 representatives, half
elected by the Zionist Congress and half by Jews (not just Zionists) in
various countries. The Agency allocated immigration permits (the number of
permits was fixed by the British) and distributed funds donated by Jews
abroad.[19].
>
>> not really a great idea
>
> You're telling me!
> The Palestian people know this first hand!
>
>
> <snip />
>
> The Nakba is real!
so is Christmas but that does not mean Jesus was born in December!
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do you hate the real ethnic Jews and their desire to return to their ancient
homeland?
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>
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:tNnLm.201709$BL3....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
>>> news:GyeLm.15194$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad:
>
>>> It's happening in Palestine. I'm speaking out against it.
>>>
>> not the same thing...I am not aware of any "real" Palestinians...just
>> some folks who squatted on the old Judean lands which got renamed to
>> Palistine.
>
>
>
> ---------------
> http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-
> people-book-review.html
>
> "No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years"
> says Sand.(12)
> "But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the
> ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that
> you or I are its descendents.
>
> The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew
> that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians
> were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew
> that farmers don't leave until they are expelled.
>
> Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel,
> wrote in 1929 that, 'the vast majority of the peasant farmers
> do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather,
> before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a
> majority in the building of the land.'"
very interesting, then there are no Egyptians, Lybians, no Arabs in general,
etc., etc.
the argument seems to definitely be that there are no Palestinians...there
are just mainly "left-behind" Jews many of whom converted by choice or by
coercion to Islam! maybe you should stop talking about so-called
palestinians and call the people Islamic Jews!
but we know that after 1000s of years there are indeed Indians (american and
from India), there are Eskimos???
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homeland?
Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:tNnLm.201709$BL3....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
>>> news:GyeLm.15194$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad:
>
>
>>>
>>> Where do you envision "Israel's" borders 140 yrs from now?
>>>
>> right where they were defined in 1948
>
>
>
> Do you know what the blue bars above and below the supposed star of david
> are
> supposed to represent?
>
you mean the allegation that "some groups make that the blue stripes on the
Israeli flag actually represent the rivers Nile and Euphrates as the
boundaries of Eretz Yisrael"?
very doubtful but definitely not as bad as the fanatic terrorist Muslims
associated with your "left-behind Jews", you know, those Muslims who want to
make a world-wide califate!
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homeland?
Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>
>>> Why do you focus on Bush/Cheney?
>>> The so-called "Office of Special Plans" headed by Zionist Doug Feith
>>> was cooking up the propaganda.
>>>
>> some proof or references?
>
>
> I've already posted least 30 articles on this which named the names of the
> people cooking up the "evidence". Most were posted before the war ZOG
> launched on the people of Iraq.
> I've also posted on the AIPAC espionage case involving Larry Frankin, who
> was
> in this same "office".
>
is Cheney a Jew? he definitely seems to be one of the main advocates of the
war in Iraq and Bush seems not to have had reservations about tagging along!
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homeland?
Israel, the ancient home of the Jews as determined by archeological evidence
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>
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:otGLm.178705$uO....@en-nntp-09.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>>> and due to the mass exodus from
>>>> Europe of Jews,
>>>
>>> Please...
>>> answer briefly, if you would...
>>>
>>> Which "mass exodus" from Europe of Jews?
>>> When did this "mass exodus" from Europe of Jews take place?
>>> What stimulated this "mass exodus"?
>>> Which countries of Europe did the Jews leave?
>>> Can you state, more or less, the number of Jews who were involved in
>>> this "mass exodus"?
>>
>> I would suggest that the migrations from much of Europe began and after
>> during WW II due to Hitler's purging of Jews. I do not have any numbers
>> but this might help:
>
>
> Now, again, Mr. Reed... you're confusing me.
yes, your confusion is that you do not accept historical facts regarding
Hitler and his persucution and opurging of Jews.
>
> Was it a "systematic extermination" of the Jews Hitler was engaged in or
> was it not?
>
> If memory serves me, we now have the Jewish bankers, the Jews in his
> military, the Zionists, and the ones he was "purging" who were not being
> "systematically exterminated"?
> Seems the list is getting rather long for a group that's being
> "systematically exterminated"!
we have already discussed...Hitler and his cronies did keep some Jews , at
least, temporarily excempt from extermination/purging when it suited his
purposes.
>
> --
> Mr Reed: There seems to be a typo in your response:
> it states "... of Europe began and after during WW II due to ...".
> Can you fix that for me please?
>
> Thanks for the info. I've snipped the rest of the post for brevity, but I
> will look at it and see if I can get your take on some things I might
> possibly bring up.
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>>> What are your thoughts on the following?
>>> ---------------
>>> http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-
> jewish
>>>
>>> "No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years"
>>> says Sand.(12)
>>> "But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the
>>> ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that
>>> you or I are its descendents.
>> but we know that after 1000s of years there are indeed Indians (American
>> and from India), there are Eskimos???
>
> Your point being?
>
it proves that the first sentence quoted above is false!
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:hANLm.220920$ua.4...@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>
>>> Was it a "systematic extermination" of the Jews Hitler was engaged in
>>> or was it not?
>>>
>>> If memory serves me, we now have the Jewish bankers, the Jews in his
>>> military, the Zionists, and the ones he was "purging" who were not
>>> being "systematically exterminated"?
>>> Seems the list is getting rather long for a group that's being
>>> "systematically exterminated"!
>>
>> we have already discussed...Hitler and his cronies did keep some Jews ,
>> at least, temporarily excempt from extermination/purging when it suited
>> his purposes.
>
> of European Jews was raised.
> We had not discussed a "mass exodus" of European Jews.
>
> Why would Hitler, the world's greatest "Jew-hater" of the 20th century
> allow Zionist Jews to continue operations in Germany?
>
> It would seem that Hitler "had them where he wanted them" so to speak.
> Why not have some "brown-shirts" go grab these defenseless Jews, throw
> them on a train bound for Auschwitz and gas them?
> Can you explain what his motives may have been?
>
> I can think of one or two possibilities, but I'd like your take.
>
> Also, when, in your estimation, did the "mass exodus" of "Jews" from
> Europe you speak of of begin? I want your take.
>
it is well documented that Hitler and the Nazis wanted to purge the world of
Jews. the mass exodus of Jews from Nazi controlled Europe is also well
documented including the ships of Jews fleeing Europe who were deinied
sanctuary at US ports!
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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> Can you give me, in your estimation a year when this "mass exodus" of
> European Jews began?
not without doing appropriate research but I do know that, at least, a
shipload of Jews were denied admittance to the US during WW II.
>
> Why, in your opinion, would Hitler allow Zionist Jews to continue their
> operations in Germany?
>
as discussed previously, Hitler did allow some Jews to keep their jobs when
their expertise was needed. I suspect that if Germany had won the war then
Hitler and his Nazi cronies would have completed the their desired
extermination of the Jews on a world-wide scale.
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>
> "�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
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>> Can you give me, in your estimation a year when this "mass exodus" of
>> European Jews began?
>
> not without doing appropriate research but I do know that, at least, a
> shipload of Jews were denied admittance to the US during WW II.
"The exodus from Germany of Jewish and left-wing artists and intellectuals
began during the early months of 1933, almost immediately after Adolf
Hitler's..."
"Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1933-1945 is an abridged edition of Saul
Friedl�nder's definitive Pulitzer Prize-winning two-volume history of the
Holocaust: Nazi Germany and the Jews: The Years of Persecution, 1933-1939
and The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1939-1945.
"The book's first part, dealing with the National Socialist campaign of
oppression, restores the voices of Jews who were engulfed in an increasingly
horrifying reality following the Nazi accession to power. Friedl�nder also
provides the accounts of the persecutors themselves-and, perhaps most
telling of all, the testimonies of ordinary German citizens who, in general,
stood silent and unmoved by the increasing waves of segregation,
humiliation, impoverishment, and violence.
"The second part covers the German extermination policies that resulted in
the murder of six million European Jews-an official program that depended
upon the cooperation of local authorities and police departments, the
passivity of the populations, and the willingness of the victims to submit
in desperate hope of surviving long enough to escape the German vise."
America, American Jews, and the Holocaust - Google Books Result
by Jeffrey S. Gurock - 1998 - History - 486 pages
After Hitler singled out the Jews as the primary cause of Germany's troubles
and began his extermination campaign, these desperate people started an
exodus ...
http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_st_louis_and_us_policy_failures
The St. Louis and U.S. Policy Failures German Jews Denied Entrance to
America in 1939
Read more:
http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_st_louis_and_us_policy_failures#ixzz0X6VKgluJ
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>>
>> "Dennis M Reed "Califa"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in message
>> news:r9tMm.17311$cd7....@newsfe04.iad...
>>>
>>> "�" <�@set.null> wrote in message
>>> news:2tiMm.229179$Jp1....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> Can you give me, in your estimation a year when this "mass exodus" of
>>>> European Jews began?
>>>
>>> not without doing appropriate research but I do know that, at least, a
>>> shipload of Jews were denied admittance to the US during WW II.
>>
>> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Nazi-Germany-and-the-Jews-1933-1945-Abri
>> dged-Edition/Saul-Friedlander/e/9780061350276
>>
>> "The exodus from Germany of Jewish and left-wing artists and
>> intellectuals began during the early months of 1933, almost immediately
>> after Adolf Hitler's..."
>
> you
> personally find credible.
historical facts
>
> So anyway, according to the above, it appears this "exodus" began a few
> years
> after the Jews had secured a homeland in Birobidjan.
>
yes, but they did not go to Birobidjian, they took ships into the Atlantic.
>>
>> "Nazi Germany and the Jews, 1933-1945 is an abridged edition of Saul
>> Friedl�nder's definitive Pulitzer Prize-winning two-volume history of
>> the Holocaust: Nazi Germany and the Jews: The Years of Persecution,
>> 1933-1939 and The Years of Extermination: Nazi Germany and the Jews,
>> 1939-1945. "The book's first part, dealing with the National Socialist
>> campaign of oppression, restores the voices of Jews who were engulfed in
>> an increasingly horrifying reality following the Nazi accession to
>> power. Friedl�nder also provides the accounts of the persecutors
>> themselves-and, perhaps most telling of all, the testimonies of ordinary
>> German citizens who, in general, stood silent and unmoved by the
>> increasing waves of segregation, humiliation, impoverishment, and
>> violence.
>>
>> "The second part covers the German extermination policies that resulted
>> in the murder of six million European Jews-an official program that
>> depended upon the cooperation of local authorities and police
>> departments, the passivity of the populations, and the willingness of
>> the victims to submit in desperate hope of surviving long enough to
>> escape the German vise."
>
>
> Wow! Such a description! I can easily envision swastikas and these Nazi
> helmets just reading the above!
> Sort of like a movie trailer in my mind! Really cool!
>
> OK. Just take a deeeeeep breath.
> I'll try to contain my excitement.
>
> This confirms that they could have gone to Birobidjan.
>
do you have any evidence of that possibility actually taking place?
>
>>
>> America, American Jews, and the Holocaust - Google Books Result
>> by Jeffrey S. Gurock - 1998 - History - 486 pages
>> After Hitler singled out the Jews as the primary cause of Germany's
>> troubles and began his extermination campaign, these desperate people
>> started an exodus ...
>>
>
> These desperate people ignored Birobidjan? Man!
>
maybe because they did not consider it to be their homeland?
>
>>
>> http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_st_louis_and_us_pol
>> icy_failures
>>
>> The St. Louis and U.S. Policy Failures German Jews Denied Entrance to
>> America in 1939
>
>
> This seems to have touched you deeply, since you keep mentioning ships
> being
> turned back.
> This is attibuted above to "U.S. policy failures".
> Do you know what the Zionist position was on this?
>
no, do you?
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://modern-us-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_st_louis_and_us_pol
>> icy_failures#ixzz0X6VKgluJ
>>
>>>>
>>>> Why, in your opinion, would Hitler allow Zionist Jews to continue
>>>> their operations in Germany?
>>>>
>>> as discussed previously, Hitler did allow some Jews to keep their jobs
>>> when
>>> their expertise was needed.
>
> What kind of "expertise" do you suppose Zionists provided to Hitler?
>
I have no idea, you are the one who claims Hitler allowed Zionists to be
exempt from the concentration camps and extermination...so why did Hitler
keep them alive?
>
>>> I suspect that if Germany had won the war
>>> then Hitler and his Nazi cronies would have completed the their desired
>>> extermination of the Jews on a world-wide scale.
>
> hmmm....yes.....
> I suppose that _would_ make sense.....
> seeing how he was, after all, purging the world of Jews......
>
he was purging the areas he controlled of the Jewish populations.
if he had won, then he would have conquered the world!
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>>> These desperate people ignored Birobidjan? Man!
>>>
>> maybe because they did not consider it to be their homeland?
>
> How does that go again?
probably they were just desperately trying to get away from the Holocaust!
pretty obvious simple answer!
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>
>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
>> news:dh3Nm.221781$8m4.1...@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
>>> news:uIOMm.7151$tz6....@newsfe02.iad:
>>>>> These desperate people ignored Birobidjan? Man!
>>>>>
>>>> maybe because they did not consider it to be their homeland?
>>>
>>> So they got on ships "into the Atlantic" headed for where?
>>> How does that go again?
>>
>> probably they were just desperately trying to get away from the
>> Holocaust!
>>
>> pretty obvious simple answer!
>
>
> According to dmreed they didn't go to Birobidjan "maybe because they did
> not consider it to be their homeland".
>
> On one hand, they were NOT desperate enough to go to Birobidjan to "get
> away from the Holocaust".
as far as I know, not all Jews were aware of Birobidjian and I suspect that
not all those who were aware considered it to be their homeland.
>
> On the other hand, they WERE desperate enough, according to dmreed, to go
> on ships "into the Atlantic".
> Where did these ships head for?
for saftey from the Holocaust!
> They were "turned away" from where?
I posted at least once instance when they were turned away from the USA.
> Am I to infer they considered the US or other places to be their
> "homeland"?
what would cause to infer that? there is nothing in what I posted that would
lead a reasonable person to "infer" such a conclusion! they were simply
trying to avoid being killed by Hitler and the Nazis.
>
> Also, just for the record:
> let the record show that dmreed refused to anwer any questions as to what
> "expertise" the Zionists provided Hitler.
> That he stonewalled and evaded the question is now a historical fact and
> matter of public record.
>
I have nothing to add to the information that but you have shown regarding
how the Nazis did allow some Jews to remain alive and assist in the Nazi war
efforts and I accepted that information.
Dennis M Reed "Califa"
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>>
>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
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>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> "�ｿｽ" <�ｿｽ@set.null> wrote in message
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>>>>> "Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmr...@dmreed.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:uIOMm.7151$tz6....@newsfe02.iad:
>>>>>>> These desperate people ignored Birobidjan? Man!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe because they did not consider it to be their homeland?
>>>>>
>>>>> So they got on ships "into the Atlantic" headed for where?
>>>>> How does that go again?
>>>>
>>>> probably they were just desperately trying to get away from the
>>>> Holocaust!
>>>>
>>>> pretty obvious simple answer!
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I just want to make sure I got this right:
>>> According to dmreed they didn't go to Birobidjan "maybe because they
>>> did not consider it to be their homeland".
>>>
>>> On one hand, they were NOT desperate enough to go to Birobidjan to "get
>>> away from the Holocaust".
>>
>> as far as I know, not all Jews were aware of Birobidjian and I suspect
>> that not all those who were aware considered it to be their homeland.
>
> as you say: "not all those who were aware considered it to be their
> homeland."
>
yes and most probably were not even aware of Birobidjian!
>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, they WERE desperate enough, according to dmreed, to
>>> go on ships "into the Atlantic".
>>> Where did these ships head for?
>>
>> for saftey from the Holocaust!
>>
>>> They were "turned away" from where?
>>
>> I posted at least once instance when they were turned away from the USA.
>>
>>> Am I to infer they considered the US or other places to be their
>>> "homeland"?
>>
>> what would cause to infer that? there is nothing in what I posted that
>> would lead a reasonable person to "infer" such a conclusion! they were
>> simply trying to avoid being killed by Hitler and the Nazis.
>
> because they didn't consider it to be their "homeland"!
> Just read the above.
obviously you cannot read...that is definitely not what I said...what I said
is above so read it again!
>
> If they didn't go to Birobidjan because they didn't consider it their
> homeland, why get on a ship headed for the US?
> Is *that* what they considered to be their homeland?
>
> I'll answer my own question because you are being fastidiously stupid:
>
> They got on the ship, yes, because they _were_ desperate and didn't really
> care where they went as long as they got out.
isn;t that essentially what I have been saying?
> They *would* have gone to Birobidjan had that option been made available.
> The American Jews kept quiet about Birobidjan.
> The Zionist Jews HERDED these people into Palestine (where many did not
> really want to go).
>
actually the exodus from Europe that I was talking about was before the war
ended! I seriously doubt American Jews had much contact with the exiting
mass of Jews from Europe.
>
>>>
>>> Also, just for the record:
>>> let the record show that dmreed refused to anwer any questions as to
>>> what "expertise" the Zionists provided Hitler.
>>
>>> That he stonewalled and evaded the question is now a historical fact
>>> and matter of public record.
>>>
>> I have nothing to add to the information that but you have shown
>> regarding how the Nazis did allow some Jews to remain alive and assist
>> in the Nazi war efforts and I accepted that information.
>
>
> ok.
> I see there are some things you're not exactly comfortable discussing.
> One of them seems to be the Zionist persecution of Jews.
I have no opinion such persecution because I basically am not aware of it
other than your posts and I seriously doubt most of your resources because
IMHO you are more interested in finding opinions which agree with your
preconceptions and prejudices than with finding historical truths.