Support the troops
Phyloe
The U.S. military is investigating the killing of a wounded and apparently
unarmed Iraqi prisoner inside a mosque during combat operations here, the
Defense Department told NBC News on Monday. NBC's Kevin Sites, who
witnessed the incident Saturday while assigned to represent a pool of news
organizations, reported Monday that the man was shot by a Marine who
appeared to be unaware that the Iraqi was a wounded prisoner and did not
pose a threat.
The SOB probably deserved to die! Who knows what the marine saw the Iraqi
do just moments before he shot the prick. The marine's buddy was probably
blown up and the Iraqi prisoner was taunting the marine about it. Kill them
all and let God sort them out.
Phyloe
--
You can irradiate Poop, and it will be sterile, but it will still be Poop!
Larry xlax Lovisone
> Who knows what the marine saw the Iraqi do
"Marines I spoke with said the young Marine was "probably under combat
stress in unpredictable circumstances," and said it was probably the act of
a young man "who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the
insurgency in the city."
"A colonel who recently returned from his second tour of duty in Iraq, told
Arab News the Marine in question was wounded in the face the previous day;
and that a Marine in the same unit had been killed a day earlier, and five
others wounded, as they tended to the booby trapped dead body of an
insurgent."
"They use bodies as booby traps all the time," said the Marine colonel, who
spoke anonymously. "They wait until Marines are close, then they detonate
themselves. From what I hear, the unit didn't know those guys were supposed
to be there.
"Those poor kids - they're on duty day in and day out, and have to deal with
corpses and wounded guys that are booby trapped - the insurgents do this all
the time. We had incidents where they detonated themselves either in a car
full of explosives or with suicide belts," said the colonel.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=54644&d=17&m=11&y=2004
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> FALLUJAH, Iraq
> The U.S. military is investigating the killing of a wounded and apparently
> unarmed Iraqi prisoner inside a mosque during combat operations here, the
> Defense Department told NBC News on Monday. NBC's Kevin Sites, who
> witnessed the incident Saturday while assigned to represent a pool of news
> organizations, reported Monday that the man was shot by a Marine who
> appeared to be unaware that the Iraqi was a wounded prisoner and did not
> pose a threat.
>
>
> The SOB probably deserved to die! Who knows what the marine saw the
> Iraqi
> do just moments before he shot the prick. The marine's buddy was probably
> blown up and the Iraqi prisoner was taunting the marine about it. Kill
> them
> all and let God sort them out.
By George, now you've got it! OH! And, never mind that none of us knows all
the facts about the incident....jackass.
Tim Morrow
More crap proving what a sick bastard he is.
Black Jenner
<nett...@combogusinfocast.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Who knows what the marine saw the Iraqi do
>
>"Marines I spoke with said the young Marine was "probably under combat
>stress in unpredictable circumstances," and said it was probably the act of
>a young man "who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the
>insurgency in the city."
>
>"A colonel who recently returned from his second tour of duty in Iraq, told
>Arab News the Marine in question was wounded in the face the previous day;
>and that a Marine in the same unit had been killed a day earlier, and five
>others wounded, as they tended to the booby trapped dead body of an
>insurgent."
>
>"They use bodies as booby traps all the time," said the Marine colonel, who
>spoke anonymously. "They wait until Marines are close, then they detonate
>themselves. From what I hear, the unit didn't know those guys were supposed
>to be there.
>
>"Those poor kids - they're on duty day in and day out, and have to deal with
>corpses and wounded guys that are booby trapped - the insurgents do this all
>the time. We had incidents where they detonated themselves either in a car
>full of explosives or with suicide belts," said the colonel.
This is the story most of our country needs to read, twice, before
they *blindly* support sending soldiers into battle.
If you do it knowingly, then that's fine.
Lynn
>
> "Marines I spoke with said the young Marine was "probably under combat stress in unpredictable circumstances," and said it was
> probably the act of a young man "who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the insurgency in the city."
The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist ...
As the father of a marine possibly heading to Iraq next spring, I fully
support the actions of this young marine.
Lynn
2003 Valkyrie (until tomorrow ?)
Greek Shipping Magnets
wrote:
>Phyloe wrote:
>
>More crap proving what a sick bastard he is.
In summation:
Speaking out against POWs being shot and killed = sick bastard.
Supporting POWs being shot and killed = proud American.
I sure hope the enemy doesn't remember that the next time they have
your son in custody. Oh no wait, like all great Chickenhawks your kids
aren't in the military are they?
Strange days indeed. Most peculiar mama!
Larry xlax Lovisone
> Speaking out against POWs being shot and killed = sick bastard.
>
> Supporting POWs being shot and killed = proud American.
I don't think Phyloe is sick and I think he knows his parents... but until
he faces hand to hand combat in war... he is not ready to grade that Marines
report card...
To understand Phyloe one must have lived in the land flat-as-a-pancake
(women too) Kansas... then you'll understand what the country means when it
says "Kansas is the land of 3 S's... Sunshine... Sunflowers... and
Sons-a-Bitches..."
Greek Shipping Magnets
<nett...@combogusinfocast.com> wrote:
>I don't think Phyloe is sick and I think he knows his parents... but until
>he faces hand to hand combat in war... he is not ready to grade that Marines
>report card...
You haven't seen hand to hand either so what are you talking about?
Marines are top notch. You are not. So whatever ideas you have are the
same brand of armchair quarterbacking as Phyloe.
US military plays by the rules. If not then who does? Why don't we all
become war criminals and call it a day?
What is the difference between a Marine and a murderer?
The murderer kills with no purpose other than his own pleasure or
gain. The Marine kills for the mission's sake to accomplish whatever
goal is the order of the day. The Marine starts/stops killing on
command. If he can't then he is no longer a Marine. He is a failure
who cracked under pressure.
If there are no standards and punishments for failure then there is
only mediocrity. Marines and mediocrity are not to be used in the same
sentence.
Some civilians can't understand why we kill in war. Others simply
cannot understand why we don't just kill everything that moves and let
Jesus sort them out. And that is why they are civilians. They are too
scared to fight properly, too weak to understand, too inept to be a
Marine. Best to weed out the losers than to weaken the whole.
Larry xlax Lovisone
> You haven't seen hand to hand either so what are you talking about?
Neither have you Jr. Pudknocker so you can stop right there...
Justin
: The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist ...
It was an insurgent, not a terrorist. We'd all become insurgents under
the proper circumstances.
: As the father of a marine possibly heading to Iraq next spring, I fully
: support the actions of this young marine.
You don't want to hold that thought until you know what the reasons behind
the actions of this young marine were?
Justin
'02 Shadow VT750DC
Roger Wrolstad
> The U.S. military is investigating the killing of a wounded and apparently
> unarmed Iraqi prisoner inside a mosque during combat operations here, the
> Defense Department told NBC News on Monday. NBC's Kevin Sites, who
> witnessed the incident Saturday while assigned to represent a pool of news
> organizations, reported Monday that the man was shot by a Marine who
> appeared to be unaware that the Iraqi was a wounded prisoner and did not
> pose a threat.
>
>
>
> The SOB probably deserved to die! Who knows what the marine saw the Iraqi
> do just moments before he shot the prick. The marine's buddy was probably
> blown up and the Iraqi prisoner was taunting the marine about it. Kill them
> all and let God sort them out.
> Phyloe
Before everyone gets all hysterical, there are reasons for
investigations. In the heat of battle "rules of warfare" get pretty
fuzzy; nonetheless, there is a line that most combat soldiers know
shouldn't be crossed. An investigation will determine if that
happened.
If you have never seen it, rent the 1980 Aussie film "Breaker
Morant"--we actually used it in our "Law of Land Warfare" classes in
the Marines. It takes place during the Boer War, and examines an
Australian unit's methods for dealing with Boer irregulars. War is a
messy business, not to be entered into lightly.
Roger W.
Lynn
>
> It was an insurgent, not a terrorist. We'd all become insurgents under
> the proper circumstances.
Yup, I've seen "Red Dawn" too. However, I would not travel to another
country as many of these "insurgents" have in order to shoot american
servicemen. That is, by definition, a terrorist. Or, if you do it for pay,
a mercenary.
> : As the father of a marine possibly heading to Iraq next spring, I fully
> : support the actions of this young marine.
>
> You don't want to hold that thought until you know what the reasons behind
> the actions of this young marine were?
I've read enough already to form an opinion. War is hell ! Bad
things happen. Our troops are trained to kill people and break
things. They are not trained to take prisoners of people who are
booby trapping them and shooting them while pretending to be
dead. The marine was protecting his unit AND the embedded
camera person from being shot by a what did you call it, oh yeah,
insurgent.
Lynn
Greek Shipping Magnets
<nett...@combogusinfocast.com> wrote:
>> You haven't seen hand to hand either so what are you talking about?
>
>Neither have you Jr. Pudknocker so you can stop right there...
I never got started. If you notice I left it alone. I only made a
comment when the armchair warriors of reeky such as Timmie, yourself,
etc... lobbed their two cents as though it had any value whatsoever.
My comments have no bearing at all in the investigation, which will
run its course. But if I can remind you and others of your immaturity
in such matters I will. Even if I am immature myself, it doesn't take
superiority to spot foolishness.
Black Jenner
wrote:
If you hold yours, and if that young marine, fighting in frightening
conditions, against opponents who booby trap bodies and blow up
civilians, is given a fair shake by the press.
Keith Schiffner
"Black Jenner" <Xblack...@Xcomcast.netX> wrote in
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That will happen when I let HHH and Phloem out of the KF...
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Andrew
Prove the guy was a POW.
Apparently he was wounded the day before and never taken into custody.
Does that make him a POW?
Two men seen slumped against wall
After the Marines that Sites accompanied entered the mosque, the video
showed two other men slumped by a wall. Sites’ account said the men, who
were hurt in the previous day’s attack, had been shot again by the
Marines on Saturday.
The Marine seen shooting the insurgent had been wounded in the face a
day earlier and quickly returned to action, Sites reported. The Marine
has not been identified.
Another Marine in the man's unit was killed the previous day by the
booby-trapped body of an insurgent, a fact that international legal
experts said could provide the Marine with a defense if charges are
filed against him. A key issue was whether the injured man was a
prisoner at the time, they said.
International legal experts said protection of injured combatants once
they are out of action is a basic rule in warfare but that the Marine
shown in the video may have acted in self-defense.
Charles Heyman, a British infantry veteran and senior defense analyst
with Jane’s Consultancy Group in London, defended the Marine, saying
soldiers are taught that the enemy “is at his most dangerous when he is
severely injured.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6502452/
--
Andrew
00 Daytona
00 Speed Triple
Hank
> Phyloe wrote:
> More crap proving what a sick bastard he is.
Phyloe shot the unarmed prisoner in that video??
--
"I know how hard you and your ilk have been wishing and praying
for another successful terrorist attack upon our homeland, so
that your can use the pain, death, and suffering of innocent
Americans in your own twisted and warped efforts to weaken us
by installing that lying sack of shit Kerry in the White House,
but you're doomed to disappointment."
-Tim Morrow, a usenet liar and coward demonstrating his sane,
reasonable "thinking"...
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so
are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to
harm our country and our people, and neither do we,"
- George W. (shit for brains) Bush, 8-6-04
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
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http://www.truthout.org/
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"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and
Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
"Personally, I don't think all the Iraqis on earth are
worth even a single American life." - A usenet rabid
right wing extremist terrorist.
Hank
> The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist ...
I'd rather see bu$h tried and convicted for war crimes than
murdered. If you murder the low life cowardly terrorist, you
only lower yourself to his level. That should be too low for
any decent human being....
--
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
http://www.hermes-press.com/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Doug
"Hank" <"bu$h"@warcrimes.gov> wrote in message
news:419C0392...@warcrimes.gov...
> Lynn wrote:
>
> > The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist ...
>
> I'd rather see bu$h tried and convicted for war crimes than
> murdered. If you murder the low life cowardly terrorist, you
> only lower yourself to his level. That should be too low for
> any decent human being....
>
So why did Bush win the election, Hank? Cause the kooks couldn't convince
people otherwise? I would think that "Jesus" Hank the kook could do better
that 49%.
Justin
: Yup, I've seen "Red Dawn" too. However, I would not travel to another
: country as many of these "insurgents" have in order to shoot american
: servicemen.
I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
something for which I stood for.
: That is, by definition, a terrorist.
With due respect, perhaps you should look up the definition of a
terrorist. Merely travelling outside of ones home country and shooting
people does not fulfill the definition.
: Or, if you do it for pay, a mercenary.
By definition.
: I've read enough already to form an opinion. War is hell ! Bad
: things happen. Our troops are trained to kill people and break
The key word is "trained". They work within limitations. Sometimes they
err when they need to make safe judgements and for that they should be
forgiven, but sometimes they just screw up and should know
better. Otherwise what's all the training for? If we don't care for the
consequences we could just nuke the whole country.
: The marine was protecting his unit AND the embedded camera person from
: being shot by a what did you call it, oh yeah, insurgent.
Whether or not the marine was protecting anyone from anything is precisely
what needs to be determined. If you personally have evidence to ascertain
this as fact, perhaps you should contact the government.
Justin
Andrew
>
>> The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist ...
>
> I'd rather see bu$h tried and convicted for war crimes than
> murdered. If you murder the low life cowardly terrorist, you
> only lower yourself to his level. That should be too low for
> any decent human being....
>
>
>
> --
>
Hank, if I ask you real nice....
Will you please remove the names and quotes of Reekyites from your sig?
Everything is there on Google, it is an archived newsgroup.
I don't think it's very nice to place that stuff in *every* post.
I have no issues with you replying to threads and posting quotes, etc., but
every post, in your sig....just too much IMO.
You know I read your posts...you're not in my killfile (no one is...) I'm
hoping you might consider it a courtesy.
I'm expecting Dem to call me a girly man pretty soon now too.
Flame away...
--
Andrew
00 Speed Triple
00 Daytona
Lynn
> and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
> something for which I stood for.
I highly advise renting and watching "Red Dawn". Great action movie
and very close to home for us close to the southern border down here.
BTW, if you leave the good old USA, travel to another country and
start shooting USA soldiers, be prepared to be shot yourself as this
individual was. Or, to be captured and brought back to the USA for
a trial. Dont expect your peers on the jury to highly respect your
need to shoot USA soldiers.
> The key word is "trained". They work within limitations. Sometimes they
> err when they need to make safe judgements and for that they should be
> forgiven, but sometimes they just screw up and should know
> better. Otherwise what's all the training for? If we don't care for the
> consequences we could just nuke the whole country.
Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument to our
dead in Manhatten and in Virginia. I cannot believe that our leaders
have sent our soldiers door to door, hunting these animals down. The
same with Mosul, surrender or "death from above".
> Whether or not the marine was protecting anyone from anything is precisely
> what needs to be determined. If you personally have evidence to ascertain
> this as fact, perhaps you should contact the government.
Why ? They were in the middle of a battle ! The terrorist, excuse me,
insurgent, rolled over and made a move under his body. Watch the
movie, it is all over the internet. He was not a POW. Do you honestly
think that the marines have time to investigate the shootings of all of
the 1600+ insurgents that they killed in the last couple of weeks ?
Lynn
Turby
>Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
>Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
>bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument
We're supposed to be liberating, not obliterating the country,
remember?
Turby the Turbosurfer
Tim Morrow
Must be really uncomfortable, having that stick up your ass!
Tim Morrow
Perzackly.
Tim Morrow
> "I know how hard you and your ilk have been wishing and praying
> for another successful terrorist attack upon our homeland, so
> that your can use the pain, death, and suffering of innocent
> Americans in your own twisted and warped efforts to weaken us
> by installing that lying sack of shit Kerry in the White House,
> but you're doomed to disappointment."
> -Tim Morrow, American Patriot, responding to a clueless fuck
Thanks for putting that back into your famous sig. You've no idea how you hurt
my wittle feewings when you took it out!
Tim Morrow
> Hank, if I ask you real nice....
> Will you please remove the names and quotes of Reekyites from your sig?
> Everything is there on Google, it is an archived newsgroup.
> I don't think it's very nice to place that stuff in *every* post.
> I have no issues with you replying to threads and posting quotes, etc., but
> every post, in your sig....just too much IMO.
> You know I read your posts...you're not in my killfile (no one is...) I'm
> hoping you might consider it a courtesy.
Yeah, that's going to work.
Justin
: I highly advise renting and watching "Red Dawn". Great action movie
: and very close to home for us close to the southern border down here.
I'll pick it up and take a look, thanks! =)
: BTW, if you leave the good old USA, travel to another country and
: start shooting USA soldiers, be prepared to be shot yourself as this
: individual was. Or, to be captured and brought back to the USA for
: a trial. Dont expect your peers on the jury to highly respect your
: need to shoot USA soldiers.
Oh, absolutely, it works both ways. One man's freedom figher is another
man's insurgent, one might say. The winner will write the history books
and all that. We all behave as we deem necessary given the circumstances.
: Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
: Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
: bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument to our
: dead in Manhatten and in Virginia.
Tenuous connections between 9/11 and Iraq notwithstanding, this sort of
thing is not feasable. First off, there is no guarantee that the
(innocent) civilians could have made it out, it's possible that the
insurgents may have forcibly kept civilians as shields. Secondly, even
though it may seem like a locally strategically sensible solution, it does
not contribute to the greater purpose of making the world look favorably
on democracy if democracy behaves like that, even in wartime.
: Why ? They were in the middle of a battle ! The terrorist, excuse me,
: insurgent, rolled over and made a move under his body. Watch the
: movie, it is all over the internet. He was not a POW.
If it's so clear cut, why *is* there an investigation?
-Justin
Black Jenner
wrote:
>Lynn <NOS...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>: Yup, I've seen "Red Dawn" too. However, I would not travel to another
>: country as many of these "insurgents" have in order to shoot american
>: servicemen.
>
>I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
>and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
>something for which I stood for.
That is a good enough reason to kill? Really?
Ever been in the service? Ever carried weapons on duty? Ever taken
an oath to protect and serve?
Just Me
Ever seen a grown man naked?
Greek Shipping Magnets
<Xblack...@Xcomcast.netX> wrote:
>>Lynn <NOS...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
>>and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
>>something for which I stood for.
>
>That is a good enough reason to kill? Really?
>
>Ever been in the service? Ever carried weapons on duty? Ever taken
>an oath to protect and serve?
Obviously not. Lynn is another Chickenshit Chickenhawk who pretends
he's tough.
I'll bet his Marine son though is trained to know better. Sometimes
your kids come out much smarter than you.
Greek Shipping Magnets
wrote:
>Prove the guy was a POW.
>Apparently he was wounded the day before and never taken into custody.
>Does that make him a POW?
Thanks for your tremendous insight Andrew. I can always count on you
to cut through the BS and get to the heart of the matter. You should
have your own show. First class material! Always informative.
Now just so I can figure out where you cut your teeth on all matters
military, which branch did you serve in again?
Iggy
"Greek Shipping Magnets" <an.ass.is@x.x> wrote in message
news:4fppp0hi9cflja1vl...@4ax.com...
And yourself?
Andrew
"Greek Shipping Magnets" <an.ass.is@x.x> wrote in message
news:4fppp0hi9cflja1vl...@4ax.com...
> wrote:
>
>>Prove the guy was a POW.
>>Apparently he was wounded the day before and never taken into custody.
>>Does that make him a POW?
>
> Thanks for your tremendous insight Andrew. I can always count on you
> to cut through the BS and get to the heart of the matter. You should
> have your own show. First class material! Always informative.
>
Hey it's your wording. Nowhere in anything I've read made reference to him
as a POW. Oh let me rephrase that, nothing I've read but your inflamitory
posts.
> Now just so I can figure out where you cut your teeth on all matters
> military, which branch did you serve in again?
I've never served, however I understand the people who are serving are under
tremendous stress. Maybe you should put yourself in their shoes for once
instead of being so critical of something you know so little about.
Greek Shipping Magnets
<yogig....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hey it's your wording. Nowhere in anything I've read made reference to him
>as a POW. Oh let me rephrase that, nothing I've read but your inflamitory
>posts.
Waaaah.
>I've never served, however I understand the people who are serving are under
>tremendous stress. Maybe you should put yourself in their shoes for once
>instead of being so critical of something you know so little about.
Maybe you should just STFU and stop trying on other people's shoes for
a change like a little girl playing dress up. There's a love. Because
anyone can put them on and check out how fetching they look in the
mirror but I don't see you getting off your ass and joining in the
march. So until you grow the balls to be a military man sit down and
behave like the little boy you are.
Your endless excuses for our military efforts are just as clueless as
"the other side" in their universal condemnation of the war. I've
known military men. I know what they personally stand for and what
they consider appropriate. Do you? I consider myself lucky to hear the
story from firsthand accounts rather than media blather. Do you?
Greek Shipping Magnets
>> Now just so I can figure out where you cut your teeth on all matters
>> military, which branch did you serve in again?
>
>And yourself?
I wasn't the one commenting on the situation with the Marine and the
insurgent. Nope, that'd be others like Phyloe, Andrew, Timmie, Larry,
etc... all of whom have either never seen combat or even been in the
service.
In fact if I haven't already stated it, I think the tribunal will find
whatever needs to be found and act appropriately, especially now that
they have the pressure on them to act from the media exposure. And
that's the benefit of a somewhat free press. It shines a light on the
dark recesses and keeps everyone honest, to the best it can when
government types aren't stifling it.
And it's sad indeed that possibly you and others would whine about
that. I guess you'd like to return to the gestapo like antics of the
Nazi and Soviet eras.
If so, that says a lot about you and who the real enemy of America is
today.
Larry xlax Lovisone
Larry,
> etc... all of whom have either never seen combat or even been in the
> service.
Note... Jr Pudknocker is not referring Larry xlax Lovisone... who served 20
years in the USAF and who was shot at while riding his dirt bike on a golf
course off duty...
Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
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http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2
Rob Gill
Not that I support Kerry in any manner, but let's take it from the top.
George W. Bush won the election, not because of his financial abilites, or
his leadership abilites.
He didn't win because of his military service record or his intelectual
abilities.
He won because of his appeal to the 'Moral Majority'
If gay marriage hadn't become such a hot topic in the last year the
election would have been even closer or just barely in Kerry's favour.
The fact the Kerry was both for and opposed to gay marriage, both for and
opposed to the was in Iraq, both for and opposed to the war on terrorism
is what really doomed him.
--
R.W. Gill
2001 Triumph Sprint Rider
Just Me
<yogig....@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm under tremendous stress too. I'll use that as my defense when I
shoot the mailman.
Justin
:>I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
:>and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
:>something for which I stood for.
Black Jenner <Xblack...@xcomcast.netx> wrote:
: That is a good enough reason to kill? Really?
If it endangers me, yes. Perhaps I should have been more explicit in that
regard in my comment above. If I were religious (which I'm not) and if I
felt that infidels were overrunning something sacred to me? Sure.
If I knew that some country somewhere were preparing to invade? Hand me
the gun pronto and I'm there with you in front.
: Ever been in the service? Ever carried weapons on duty? Ever taken
: an oath to protect and serve?
No, but this is only because my life took a different course. My reasons
for not joining the military were varied, but had nothing to do with
cowardice.
Best regards,
Justin
Rob Gill
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
-or-
Joey, do you like films with gladiators?
Andrew
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:21:30 GMT, "Iggy" <kis...@ss.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Now just so I can figure out where you cut your teeth on all matters
>>>military, which branch did you serve in again?
>>
>>And yourself?
>
>
> I wasn't the one commenting on the situation with the Marine and the
> insurgent. Nope, that'd be others like Phyloe, Andrew, Timmie, Larry,
> etc... all of whom have either never seen combat or even been in the
> service.
Yeah, I was commenting that we don't know everything. I was commenting
that you don't know if the guy who was shot was a POW or not. Unlike
you I am willing to wait to pass judgement. You just post inflamatory
remarks that indicate you *have* already passed judgement.
>
> In fact if I haven't already stated it, I think the tribunal will find
> whatever needs to be found and act appropriately, especially now that
> they have the pressure on them to act from the media exposure. And
> that's the benefit of a somewhat free press. It shines a light on the
> dark recesses and keeps everyone honest, to the best it can when
> government types aren't stifling it.
I agree with the above paragraph.
>
> And it's sad indeed that possibly you and others would whine about
> that. I guess you'd like to return to the gestapo like antics of the
> Nazi and Soviet eras.
More words you put in people's mouths. Why not let us each speak for
ourselves?
Andrew
Let's see what he says.
Turby
<nett...@combogusinfocast.com> wrote:
>
>
>Larry,
>> etc... all of whom have either never seen combat or even been in the
>> service.
>
>Note... Jr Pudknocker is not referring Larry xlax Lovisone... who served 20
>years in the USAF and who was shot at while riding his dirt bike on a golf
>course off duty...
Friendly fire?
Turby the Turbosurfer
Rob Kleinschmidt
> War is a
> messy business, not to be entered into lightly.
>
> Roger W.
Geez !! Now you tell us.
Larry xlax Lovisone
> Friendly fire?
Unfriendly to say the least... I got the feeling they want to kill me for
just for over shooting my jump...
Iggy
"Greek Shipping Magnets" <an.ass.is@x.x> wrote in message
As usual, you presume too much.
Hank
> "Hank" <"bu$h"@warcrimes.gov> wrote in message
> > I'd rather see bu$h tried and convicted for war crimes than
> > murdered. If you murder the low life cowardly terrorist, you
> > only lower yourself to his level. That should be too low for
> > any decent human being....
> So why did Bush win the election, Hank?
Same reason many people "think" Hussein was behind 9-11, and
that WMDs were found in Iraq - extreme ignorance and stupidity.
Also, voter disenfranchisement and electronic voting played a
role.
--
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
http://www.hermes-press.com/
http://globalresearch.ca/
http://www.wsws.org/
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and
Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
Hank
> Hank wrote:
> > "I know how hard you and your ilk have been wishing and praying
> > for another successful terrorist attack upon our homeland, so
> > that your can use the pain, death, and suffering of innocent
> > Americans in your own twisted and warped efforts to weaken us
> > by installing that lying sack of shit Kerry in the White House,
> > but you're doomed to disappointment."
> > -Tim Morrow, deranged child butchering terrorist and RWE nut case
> > spewing his ignorance and hatred.
> Thanks for putting that back into your famous sig.
Glad to be helpful, Timmy! Andrew asked me to take your name
out of my sig. I'll let him know that you like it in there....
--
"I know how hard you and your ilk have been wishing and praying
for another successful terrorist attack upon our homeland, so
that your can use the pain, death, and suffering of innocent
Americans in your own twisted and warped efforts to weaken us
by installing that lying sack of shit Kerry in the White House,
but you're doomed to disappointment."
-Tim Morrow, a usenet liar and coward demonstrating his sane,
reasonable "thinking"...
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
Beardg
>: Why ? They were in the middle of a battle ! The terrorist, excuse me,
>: insurgent, rolled over and made a move under his body. Watch the
>: movie, it is all over the internet. He was not a POW.
>
>If it's so clear cut, why *is* there an investigation?
>
>-Justin
>
Beardg>>Because the liberal press and pussy whipped dems want to make an issue
with our troops...again. That Marine did nothing wrong, and hopefully the
Corps. will ascertain that fact and let him be...The general public has no
right to judge what a warrior does in combat, war is hell, and the public can't
deal with the face of it, so they should now be allowed to see it, or judge
those who are fighting.
Hank
> Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
> Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
> bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument to our
> dead in Manhatten and in Virginia. I cannot believe that our leaders
> have sent our soldiers door to door, hunting these animals down. The
> same with Mosul, surrender or "death from above".
Seems like the "animals" are the foreign invaders who have, for
no valid reason, attacked a sovereign nation in violation of
international law, committed war crimes, torture, violated Geneva
Conventions, and committed numerous acts of terrorism against
innocent civilians.
The Iraqis are doing what early U.S. citizens did when the British
invaded. They're fighting for their freedom and independence from
oppressors who want to rule their country and control their lives.
Seems weird to condemn people for doing what most anyone would do.
--
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and
Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
Hank
> Hank, if I ask you real nice....
> Will you please remove the names and quotes of Reekyites
> from your sig?
Well, Timmy said he likes his quote in my sig, and Albert hasn't
complained. Of course, he certainly shouldn't, considering that
he had my name in his sig for a while. What is it about attributing
those quotes in my sig that bothers you? It's not like I'm posting
any private or personal info about 'em.
--
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"Personally, I don't think all the Iraqis on earth are
worth even a single American life." - A usenet rabid
right wing extremist terrorist.
Hank
> Lynn <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> : Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
> : Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
> : bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument to our
> : dead in Manhatten and in Virginia.
> Tenuous connections between 9/11 and Iraq notwithstanding, this sort of
> thing is not feasable. First off, there is no guarantee that the
> (innocent) civilians could have made it out, it's possible that the
> insurgents may have forcibly kept civilians as shields.
Male civilians 15 years old an up who attempted to leave Falluja before
bu$h's terror attack were ordered back into the city by the U.S. military.
--
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and
Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
Beardg
Beardg>>This is propaganda bullshit thrown out by the Dems to try and cloud the
real reasons they lost...When you actually look at the polls..many of which
were slanted , the "moral" aspect was about 3rd or 4th on the list. Kerry lost
because he was a lousy candidate, a Mass liberal, with a cloudy message that no
one really knew...He lost because he was a loser....Bush was supported for many
reasons,not the least that he was wartime president, morals being a very small
part. Check the actual facts...only 11 states had a gay marriage issue on the
ballot, and a few of the states that killed the gay issue went for Kerry....The
Dems are just trying to save their face...Much like the idiotic argument that
Bush supporters are stupid compared to Kerry supporters...With arguments like
these they have a long time before they will ever see power again in this govt.
They just can't stand the results...Kerry lost states that Gore won...Kerry
lost by more votes in states that Gore lost by only a few. The tide has turned,
and the Liberals need to ditch the crazed maniacs like Moore and the Hollywood
elite and figure out what it will take to win. Arrogance loses.And right now
that's all they have.
Black Jenner
wrote:
>I wrote:
>
>:>I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
>:>and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
>:>something for which I stood for.
>
>Black Jenner <Xblack...@xcomcast.netx> wrote:
>
>: That is a good enough reason to kill? Really?
>
>If it endangers me, yes.
Oh, so you changed it. That is to be expected.
> Perhaps I should have been more explicit in that
>regard in my comment above. If I were religious (which I'm not) and if I
>felt that infidels were overrunning something sacred to me? Sure.
And that is a danger to you. So, you consider deadly force ok in that
situation.
>If I knew that some country somewhere were preparing to invade? Hand me
>the gun pronto and I'm there with you in front.
You know, based on your comments, I think I'd rather have you stay
behind in your nice, soft, chair.
>: Ever been in the service? Ever carried weapons on duty? Ever taken
>: an oath to protect and serve?
>
>No, but this is only because my life took a different course. My reasons
>for not joining the military were varied, but had nothing to do with
>cowardice.
Yet, unless you educate yourself a little, they may have something to
do with ignorance.
Gniewko
> > I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
> > and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
> > something for which I stood for.
>
> and very close to home for us close to the southern border down here.
>
> BTW, if you leave the good old USA, travel to another country and
> start shooting USA soldiers, be prepared to be shot yourself as this
> individual was. Or, to be captured and brought back to the USA for
> a trial. Dont expect your peers on the jury to highly respect your
> need to shoot USA soldiers.
>
> > The key word is "trained". They work within limitations. Sometimes they
> > err when they need to make safe judgements and for that they should be
> > forgiven, but sometimes they just screw up and should know
> > better. Otherwise what's all the training for? If we don't care for the
> > consequences we could just nuke the whole country.
>
> Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
> Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
> bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument to our
> dead in Manhatten and in Virginia.
Umm... What does Iraq have to do with Manhattan and Virginia?
-Gniewko
Justin
: Oh, so you changed it. That is to be expected.
Forgive me - I clarified it. I apologize for not making myself clearer.
: And that is a danger to you. So, you consider deadly force ok in that
: situation.
Yes. Look, there are grey areas here of course, and there are black and
white areas. Torching an entire city because those you want to get out
won't just walk out is unnacceptable. Beating the crap out of somebody
because they physically threaten you is acceptable. The marine shooting
the insurgent - I personally don't know if he feared for his life. Yeah
yeah yeah, I don't know what it's like on the battlefield, I know, but we
train these people to be soldiers, this does not mean that anything they
do is acceptable under the guise of stressful situations. Their entire
function is to perform a fairly organized operation in precisely those
stressful situations.
: You know, based on your comments, I think I'd rather have you stay
: behind in your nice, soft, chair.
I don't have a nice, soft chair, I have a hard wooden one. What exactly
were the comments that made you decide you wouldn't want me in the front?
: Yet, unless you educate yourself a little, they may have something to
: do with ignorance.
Eh? I can reflect adequately upon my past and the reasons why I did not
join the military. Perhaps you can elaborate on where my "education" is
lacking rather than just spinning of childish insults?
Cheers,
Justin
Black Jenner
wrote:
>Black Jenner <Xblack...@xcomcast.netx> wrote:
>: You know, based on your comments, I think I'd rather have you stay
>: behind in your nice, soft, chair.
>
>I don't have a nice, soft chair, I have a hard wooden one.
Still a great comfort where no one is pointing weapons at you.
>What exactly
>were the comments that made you decide you wouldn't want me in the front?
I believe that if one is so ready to kill, that examining the reasons
why is a damn good idea. Those to enter the arena unexamined I have
found to often be dangerous to themselves and their associates.
>
>: Yet, unless you educate yourself a little, they may have something to
>: do with ignorance.
>
>Eh? I can reflect adequately upon my past and the reasons why I did not
>join the military. Perhaps you can elaborate on where my "education" is
>lacking rather than just spinning of childish insults?
See above. I was not insulting you. I was being serious.
Andrew
"Hank" <"bu$h"@hate.gov> wrote in message news:419D266...@hate.gov...
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Hank, if I ask you real nice....
>> Will you please remove the names and quotes of Reekyites
>> from your sig?
>
> Well, Timmy said he likes his quote in my sig, and Albert hasn't
> complained. Of course, he certainly shouldn't, considering that
> he had my name in his sig for a while. What is it about attributing
> those quotes in my sig that bothers you? It's not like I'm posting
> any private or personal info about 'em.
>
>
I just think it stops people from responding as they normally would. I
think it puts the brakes on free thought. If anyone responds to you in a
manner you don't like, you put them in your sig, and every post you ever
make from then on has this attached.
I do notice you change your sig, and Tim seems to like it being quoted, but
I think it has the potential to hamper critical discourse on the group.
I haven't seen hide nor hair of Albert, I don't know if that is attributable
to you including him in your sig or not.
You of course will do what you like, and who can fault you for that. I just
think it is a bit discourteous.
Doug
"Hank" <"bu$h"@hate.gov> wrote in message news:419D255F...@hate.gov...
> Doug wrote:
> > "Hank" <"bu$h"@warcrimes.gov> wrote in message
>
> > > I'd rather see bu$h tried and convicted for war crimes than
> > > murdered. If you murder the low life cowardly terrorist, you
> > > only lower yourself to his level. That should be too low for
> > > any decent human being....
>
> > So why did Bush win the election, Hank?
>
> Same reason many people "think" Hussein was behind 9-11, and
> that WMDs were found in Iraq - extreme ignorance and stupidity.
> Also, voter disenfranchisement and electronic voting played a
> role.
>
Nope, try again spanky. Hint, it had something to do with the "no message"
Carrie.
Doug
"Hank" <"bu$h"@hate.gov> wrote in message news:419D266...@hate.gov...
> Andrew wrote:
>
> > Hank, if I ask you real nice....
> > Will you please remove the names and quotes of Reekyites
> > from your sig?
>
> Well, Timmy said he likes his quote in my sig, and Albert hasn't
> complained. Of course, he certainly shouldn't, considering that
> he had my name in his sig for a while. What is it about attributing
> those quotes in my sig that bothers you? It's not like I'm posting
> any private or personal info about 'em.
>
>
> --
"I think I am Jesus"
Hank the kook
Justin
: I believe that if one is so ready to kill, that examining the reasons
: why is a damn good idea. Those to enter the arena unexamined I have
: found to often be dangerous to themselves and their associates.
Absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that I'm about to fly off the handle
and kill the nearest living thing, just that I can appreciate there are
situations in which I would have no qualms about doing so. Preserving my
life and the lives of those I love are obvious things. Protecting an
societal existence that is dear to me is not so personal, but still fairly
clear I believe. If somebody invades the US (for example) I'm not going
to go all bezerk and run naked and screaming to the fore, ax in hand, but
I'll be there, hopefully in a fairly stable state of mind. =)
When it comes down to it, who knows, but we're all armchair warriors, even
those of us in the military, until it comes down to the actual moment.
Many people who are there in Iraq now have never been under fire before,
basic training and live fire exercises be damned.
Respects and regards,
Justin
Iggy
"Hank" <"bu$h"@hate.gov> wrote in message news:419D264C...@hate.gov...
> Justin wrote:
>> Lynn <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> : Actually, I wish that we had dropped a fuel air bomb on Fallujah.
>> : Dropped leaflets 24 hours in advance and then 24 hours later drop a
>> : bomb. Then plant salt on the remains and erect a monument to our
>> : dead in Manhatten and in Virginia.
>
>> Tenuous connections between 9/11 and Iraq notwithstanding, this sort of
>> thing is not feasable. First off, there is no guarantee that the
>> (innocent) civilians could have made it out, it's possible that the
>> insurgents may have forcibly kept civilians as shields.
>
> Male civilians 15 years old an up who attempted to leave Falluja before
> bu$h's terror attack were ordered back into the city by the U.S. military.
>
Suuuure they were, Hank. But thanks for giving me a laugh.
Alan Moore
<an.ass.is@x.x> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:13:24 GMT, Black Jenner
><Xblack...@Xcomcast.netX> wrote:
>
>>>Lynn <NOS...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I've never seen Red Dawn, but I would certainly travel to another country
>>>and shoot people if I felt they were directly and personally undermining
>>>something for which I stood for.
>>
>>That is a good enough reason to kill? Really?
>>
>>Ever been in the service? Ever carried weapons on duty? Ever taken
>>an oath to protect and serve?
>
>
>Obviously not. Lynn is another Chickenshit Chickenhawk who pretends
>he's tough.
>
>I'll bet his Marine son though is trained to know better. Sometimes
>your kids come out much smarter than you.
Good thing, too. Otherwise we wouldn't have learned to chip flints
yet.
Al Moore
DoD 734
Alan Moore
>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:51:32 -0800, "Andrew"
><yogig....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>I'm under tremendous stress too. I'll use that as my defense when I
>shoot the mailman.
Remember to eat a bunch of twinkies, first. Hey, it worked for Dan
White!
Al Moore
DoD 734
Tim
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:51:32 -0800, "Andrew"
> <yogig....@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >as a POW. Oh let me rephrase that, nothing I've read but your inflamitory
> >posts.
>
> Waaaah.
>
> >I've never served, however I understand the people who are serving are under
> >tremendous stress. Maybe you should put yourself in their shoes for once
> >instead of being so critical of something you know so little about.
>
> Maybe you should just STFU and stop trying on other people's shoes for
> a change like a little girl playing dress up. There's a love. Because
> anyone can put them on and check out how fetching they look in the
> mirror but I don't see you getting off your ass and joining in the
> march. So until you grow the balls to be a military man sit down and
> behave like the little boy you are.
>
> Your endless excuses for our military efforts are just as clueless as
> "the other side" in their universal condemnation of the war. I've
> known military men. I know what they personally stand for and what
> they consider appropriate. Do you? I consider myself lucky to hear the
> story from firsthand accounts rather than media blather. Do you?
I work with them every day. I've shared your posts with them. They're laughing
their ASSES off at you.
Tim
But, that's *why* netkooks like Henry do what they do, Andrew. It's so
painfully obvious that it would almost be embarrassing (if it weren't so damn
funny) to see you earnestly attempt to appeal to Hank the Hand Job's
"reasonable" side.
Rob Gill
>> He won because of his appeal to the 'Moral Majority'
>
> Beardg>>This is propaganda bullshit thrown out by the Dems to try and
> cloud the
> real reasons they lost...When you actually look at the polls..many of
> which
> were slanted , the "moral" aspect was about 3rd or 4th on the list.
My dear Beardg, care to explain the following or is Jerry Falwell a
Democrat?
quoted in whole from Jerry Falwell website located at:
http://www.falwell.com/?a=p&content=1100618446
By Tony Perkins, Family Research Council
Although the identified born again evangelical population in America is
roughly 38% of the voting population, according to Barna Research they
represented 53% of voters in the November 2nd election when "values
voters" carried the day. However, the evangelicals identified with the
Republican Party were not the only "values voters." To the dismay of the
media and Hollywood that have derisively ascribed moral values to the
"religious right" of the GOP, they have found that those values of
honesty, integrity, along with policy issues like same-sex "marriage" and
abortion are shared by a much larger segment of the American family. The
Pew Research Center found that 27% of voters cast their ballots based upon
moral values. 44% of those voters did so based upon social policy such as
abortion and same-sex "marriage."
The New York Times highlighted the "values voter" in an interview with two
Puerto Rican women living in the Bronx who were staunch Democrats but
voted for Bush based on the moral issues. Jeanmarie Salazar, a mother of
four, cited her support for Bush based on the "immorality that is
destroying our country." It may very well be that the media's focus on
Iraq and terrorism in an effort to shake the confidence of the American
people in President Bush caused Americans to respond in a historically
predictable way to external crisis - an introspective look at who we are.
The result was in a politically polarized nation, an overwhelming block of
voters voted traditional American values.
And various other quotes from
http://falwell.com/?a=p&content=1077559813
Date: November 4, 2004
From: Jerry Falwell
"quote"
This mass evangelical turnout was also largely responsible for the passage
of all 11 marriage initiatives that passed by vast margins on Tuesday. It
is more apparent now than ever that the nation wants its leaders to define
marriage as a unique bond between one man and one woman. This is not
discrimination; it is simply mandating what civilization has held true for
many centuries. We must prevent activist judges in our federal courts from
redefining marriage so that it corresponds with ever-changing social
sentiment.
My good friend, Dr. D. James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries,
responded to Tuesday’s election: “Despite the conventional political
wisdom that moral concerns are a drag on a political ticket, it was values
that energized voters, lifted turnout among evangelicals and Catholics,
and led to substantial GOP pickups in the House and Senate. The voters
have delivered a moral mandate.”
We should all feel a sense of accomplishment and thankfulness to God for
blessing our efforts. We must never forget that people of faith in this
country, joined by political and fiscal conservatives, successfully
withstood Hollywood, Springsteen, Affleck, Baldwin, the Dixie Chicks (now
called the French Hens by some), billionaire George Soros and his ilk, all
the 527s, most of the national print and broadcast media, the gays and
lesbians, the abortionists, the entire liberal establishment... and about
$2 billion of hate-inspired media and campaign expenditures.
"end quote"
Oh, and check out:
http://www.faithandvalues.us/article2.php
for even more.
So either Jerry Falwell is lying or he and his ministries and the so
called 'Moral majority' are taking credit for something they don't deserve.
> Kerry lost
> because he was a lousy candidate, a Mass liberal, with a cloudy message
> that no
> one really knew...
Hmmmmm. I seem to remember saying this in my original post.
He lost because he was a loser....Bush was supported
> for many
> reasons,not the least that he was wartime president, morals being a very
> small
> part. Check the actual facts...only 11 states had a gay marriage issue
> on the
> ballot, and a few of the states that killed the gay issue went for
Beardg, my dictionary defines 'few' a three or more.
Only two states barely made it to the Democrat side.
> Kerry....The
> Dems are just trying to save their face...Much like the idiotic argument
> that
> Bush supporters are stupid compared to Kerry supporters...With arguments
> like
> these they have a long time before they will ever see power again in
> this govt.
> They just can't stand the results...Kerry lost states that Gore won...
Bush converted two states from Democrat to Republican
Kerry converted one state from Republicanto Democrat
Kerry
> lost by more votes in states that Gore lost by only a few. The tide has
> turned,
> and the Liberals need to ditch the crazed maniacs like Moore and the
> Hollywood
> elite and figure out what it will take to win.
Arrogance loses.
Is that the same arrogance that considers a paltry 3,510,358 vote
difference as a substantial majority.
oops, sorry I meant 3,109,652 vote difference after removing naders votes.
After all I think it's safe to say that
Nader voters wouldn't have voted for Bush. That difference represents
about 1.05% of the U.S. population.
20.1% of the U.S. population voted for Bush and 18.9% voted for Kerry, so
the fate of your country was really decided by a whopping 39% of the
population
And right
> now
> that's all they have.
--
R.W. Gill
2001 Triumph Sprint Rider
Beardg
>roughly 38% of the voting population, according to Barna Research they
>represented 53% of voters in the November 2nd election when "values
>voters" carried the day.
Beardg>>The pols were skewed by asking questions where there were 2 or 3
"values" items like abortion ect. and only one other reason like iraq...Then
they add up all the "values questions and say that that is the total. If the
poll had asked what are your major issues in this campaign, values, war,
economy...the war would have won clearly....
And even if these dems polls were close, there is nothing wrong with saying
that liberals are far and away distant from the country in the way they feel
about social issues.....They are, and that is a reason, not the only reason,
the major reason being Kerry was a lousy candidate,why the liberals continue to
lose influence in this country.
As we hear Linda Ronstadt calling this administration a "Bunch of
Hitlers"....Yes Linda that will work...What a bunch of loons.
Dems lost seats in both houses, the presidency, and many more local
posts...They are a losing group and losing more ground every year.This all
started with Clinton, who lost the houses....Thanx BILL!
Roger Wrolstad
I have been for some time now; unfortunately, all the chickenhawks know better.
Gniewko
Well, maybe if war is such hell that the public can't deal with what's
really going on, then maybe that war shouldn't be fought. Or are you
saying that the government should deceive people about what's
happening? After all, the government knows much better what's good for
us, and the public doesn't need to know the truth, right?
-Gniewko
Lynn
Here is how the marines on site feel about it:
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/19/111006.shtml
Lynn
Greek Shipping Magnets
>I work with them every day. I've shared your posts with them. They're laughing
>their ASSES off at you.
Suuuure they are Timmie. Yes, a buncha Marines have nothing better to
do than to sit around your computer reading reeky. And I'll bet they
let you hold their gun too huh?
Hope that spendy healthcare coverage you keep whining about covers
mental. You might have to file a claim shortly. Hank has gotten you
all delusional hasn't he?
Greek Shipping Magnets
>Here is how the marines on site feel about it:
> http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/19/111006.shtml
Gosh, I can't believe you're so stupid as to get your information from
partisan sites with axes to grind. And I wasn't aware that an
anonymous post from "a Fallujah marine" either constituted proper news
gathering or that said marine was authorised to speak for the whole
service.
You know you're stupid when you only listen to the stuff you want to
hear.
Beardg
>> Beardg>>Because the liberal press and pussy whipped dems want to make an
>issue
>> with our troops...again. That Marine did nothing wrong, and hopefully the
>> Corps. will ascertain that fact and let him be...The general public has no
>> right to judge what a warrior does in combat, war is hell, and the public
>can't
>> deal with the face of it, so they should now be allowed to see it, or judge
>> those who are fighting.
>
>Well, maybe if war is such hell that the public can't deal with what's
>really going on, then maybe that war shouldn't be fought. Or are you
>saying that the government should deceive people about what's
>happening? After all, the government knows much better what's good for
>us, and the public doesn't need to know the truth, right?
>
>-Gniewko
>
what happens in a war zone. In WW2 the troops routinely would kill the enemy
rather than take a chance with him...Do a little research on the taking of the
islands from the Japanese in WW2....If the public had been bombarded every
night, in vivid color, the horrors of burning trapped soilders out of caves,
then shooting them as they ran,in flames, from their holes, the American forces
would not have been allowed to fight and win without substantially more losses
than were already inflicted. It takes serious training to get soilders to
handle a war zone, what makes you think Suzy Homemaker can understand and make
the proper decision when bombarded with those images, with no training or even
understanding of what is really happening.
War cannot be fought by pussies sitting in front of their TVs deciding
what is right and wrong.
If a war is to be fought, death is part of the equation, as victory is the
ONLY allowable result, no matter what it takes, victory is the only answer, not
the human "rights" of an enemy as you decide whether he may blow you up....Why
ask? Taking a chance with not only your life, but your buddies also... kill
first, move on. That is the only correct answer for a Marine as he moves
through hostile territory. War is Hell, but wars must be fought, all wars are
Hell, and cannot be changed or altered.....Thank GOD we have people in power
who understand this, I shutter to think of what the Kerry administration would
do to our troops in harms way.....
And to be honest if this was WW2, we would have firebombed the entire city,
and then sent the troops in, and no one would have blinked an eye..many
innocents would have been killed, but ALL the enemy would have been killed, and
we would have saved many American Marines lives...I personally do not like
trading Marines so we can look good to the world and save a city. But I guess
the military and the BUSH admin. is trying to be as "gentle" as they can be to
the people of Iraq. But remember they are trading Marines for this favor....
Rob Gill
>> Although the identified born again evangelical population in America is
>> roughly 38% of the voting population, according to Barna Research they
>> represented 53% of voters in the November 2nd election when "values
>> voters" carried the day.
>
> Beardg>>The pols were skewed by asking questions where there were 2 or 3
> "values" items like abortion ect. and only one other reason like iraq...
The sites that I quoted from weren't polls.
> Then
> they add up all the "values questions and say that that is the total. If
> the
> poll had asked what are your major issues in this campaign, values, war,
> economy...the war would have won clearly....
> And even if these dems polls were close, there is nothing wrong with
> saying
> that liberals are far and away distant from the country in the way they
> feel
> about social issues.....
> They are, and that is a reason, not the only reason,
> the major reason being Kerry was a lousy candidate,why the liberals
> continue to
> lose influence in this country.
Kerry may be a lousy candidate, but remeber that under Bush congress has
had to vote three times to allow the federal debt to increase.
> As we hear Linda Ronstadt calling this administration a "Bunch of
> Hitlers"....Yes Linda that will work...What a bunch of loons.
I know, but it couldn't be as bad as Rod Paige calling American teachers
"terrorists".
please see-
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/23/paige.terrorist.nea/
or even
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/05/legislator_backs_remark/
where a vote against Bush is somehow a vote for Osama?
> Dems lost seats in both houses, the presidency, and many more local
> posts...They are a losing group and losing more ground every year.This
> all
> started with Clinton, who lost the houses....Thanx BILL!
How did Clinton lose the houses? He couldn't stick around for a third term.
And who's going to vote for Gore?
Clinton was the first 'real man' type president that America had in a long
time. George W. Bush is the second.
By 'real man' I'm implying that if it wasn't for their position in
government and presidency, these two are people that could easily blend in
with the rest of us.
I could easily see either Clinton or Bush having regular 40 hour a day
jobs, going for a beer on Friday night and going out for a ride on the
weekends.
Gore and Kerry are both the 'office manger' type. I could see them working
in an office as a senior manager.
So until the Democrats get another 'real man' type guy to run for
president I don't see them as having any chance of re-election. Unless of
course the Republicans nominate a 'office manager' themselves.
Hank
> Henry
> Hank
Oh look, little Timmie borrowed a tiny set of balls and
they gave him enough courage to talk about his obsession
again. He came out of his widdle hiding spot. Will little
Timmy ever find the spine to address me directly, though? <chuckle>
BTW, if you can't post about motorcycles, please post about
something other than your overwhelming, all consuming
obsession with me. It only makes you look like an obsessed
usenet kook.
Post about something of great importance to all of us, such
as the lies, tax payer theft, mass murder, death, destruction,
terrorism, and treason of the criminal bu$h regime.
Thank you!
--
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so
are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to
harm our country and our people, and neither do we,"
- George W. (mush brain) Bush, 8-6-04
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine
the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to
do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and
Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building,
I didn't realize that he meant only the United States"
-- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
Hank
> > Well, Timmy said he likes his quote in my sig, and Albert hasn't
> > complained. Of course, he certainly shouldn't, considering that
> > he had my name in his sig for a while. What is it about attributing
> > those quotes in my sig that bothers you? It's not like I'm posting
> > any private or personal info about 'em.
> I just think it stops people from responding as they normally
> would.
Normal people will respond anyway. Uptight kooks might not,
but they have nothing worthwhile to offer anyway.
> If anyone responds to you in a manner you don't like, you
> put them in your sig, and every post you ever make from then
> on has this attached.
Actually it's got nothing to do with me liking what they
say - it's got do to with them saying something completely
idiotic like denying that innocent people were tortured and
murdered in bu$h's Iraqi prisons. And it's only three people -
the two Timmies, and Albert.
> I do notice you change your sig, and Tim seems to like it
> being quoted, but I think it has the potential to hamper
> critical discourse on the group.
I think you're making too much of it. If someone says something
as insane as the Timmies and Albert have said, I don't see anything
wrong with accurately quoting their idiocy.
> I haven't seen hide nor hair of Albert, I don't know if that is
> attributable to you including him in your sig or not.
He's around, and he hasn't complained about his idiocy
being quoted in my sig.
> I just think it is a bit discourteous.
Maybe you're just too considerate and thoughtful. <g>
--
Hank
> "Hank" <"bu$h"@hate.gov> wrote
> > Male civilians 15 years old an up who attempted to leave Falluja before
> > bu$h's terror attack were ordered back into the city by the U.S. military.
> Suuuure they were, Hank.
I know, I just said they were.
> But thanks for giving me a laugh.
Speaking of funny. How about you show us where I "argued it
after the fact", ya ignorant, illiterate, cowardly, lying
sack of shit. <chuckle>
As predicted, when it's time to man-up, you get
=nothing= but hiding and cowering from little
itchy. <chuckle>
Iggy wrote:
> "Albert Nurick" <alb...@nurick.com> wrote in message
> > Albert Nurick | If you "think" a reliable 1.8 horse power
> > alb...@nurick.com | per liter from a naturally aspirated engine
> > www.nurick.com | is weak, you're obviously a fool.
> > 04 FJR1300A / EOB #3 | - Henry
> And Henry blamed that quote on a "misplaced" decimal point?!
> What a maroon. It's exactly what he meant, as he argued it
> after the fact.
See, this is why I enjoy usenet so much. Google saves
the truth and facts, so if a psychotic little nut case
like you spews an outright lie like the one above, the
truth can be easily retrieved and shoved back down your
whiny little throat. <g>
< begin quoted message >
From: Hank ("stop"@bu$h.treason)
Subject: Re: I see the best you could do is call me stupid
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: 2004-08-10 17:45:51 PST
Tim Morrow wrote:
> Henry.. 1.8 horsepower per liter?
I meant 180 hp per liter. My bad! I had hp per cubic inch
on my mind too and musta got confused or something.
<end quoted message>
Hey itchy, look at that. <chuckle> My very first post
in the thread after misplacing the decimal point, and I
immediately admitted my error. You lied again, ya timid,
nutless little clown. <g>
See, that's the difference between a man of honesty,
pride, and integrity, and a low life, timid, cowardly
little worm. Slither away, itchy - the truth is bitch
slapping you silly again. <chuckle>....
> Henry: The real lying liar.
The irony of your simple minded idiocy is =beautiful=.
Even though it happens on a regular basis here, I still
enjoy it when my most vocal critics show us all that they're
not only incredibly stupid, but blatant liars and spineless
cowards, too! <chuckle>
--
"Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
-Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
(http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so
are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to
harm our country and our people, and neither do we,"
- George W. (mush brain) Bush, 8-6-04
Dick Cheney: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam
Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." August 26, 2002.
Ari Fleischer: "We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
January 9, 2003.
Colin Powell: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep
his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."
February 5, 2003.
Donald Rumsfeld: "We know where they are," about these weapons.
"They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad." March 30, 2003.
George W. Bush: "We have sources that tell us that Saddam
Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical
weapons." February 8, 2003.
George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments
leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal
some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." March 17, 2003.
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever
had in its more than 200 years of history. It has
engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not
only in foreign policy and economics but also in social
and environmental policy.....This is not normal government
policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil
disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as
possible....What we have here is a form of looting."
- George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the
infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going
to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million.
Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million.
Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/
http://counterpunch.org/
http://responsiblewealth.org/
Beardg
>Kerry may be a lousy candidate, but remeber that under Bush congress has
>had to vote three times to allow the federal debt to increase.
Beardg>>remember that as a % to GNP the deficit still is below what we have had
in the past...
>where a vote against Bush is somehow a vote for Osama?
>
Beardg>>Well Osama did come out and endorse Kerry....
>How did Clinton lose the houses?
Beardg>>Congress shifted to Rep. under the Clinton admin. and has never
returned since.
>So until the Democrats get another 'real man' type guy to run for
>president I don't see them as having any chance of re-election. Unless of
>course the Republicans nominate a 'office manager' themselves.
>
Beardg>>This is prolly true, and stop nominating flaming east coast
liberals...And tell the Hollywood elite to shut the fuck up......No one wants
to hear those people tell us how to vote. Play your little guitar ditty, or
little movie shit and go home.
Rob Gill
>>
>> Kerry may be a lousy candidate, but remeber that under Bush congress has
>> had to vote three times to allow the federal debt to increase.
>
> Beardg>>remember that as a % to GNP the deficit still is below what we
> have had
> in the past...
>
True, but a debt is still a debt.
Just ask anyone in credit counselling.
>
>> where a vote against Bush is somehow a vote for Osama?
>>
>
> Beardg>>Well Osama did come out and endorse Kerry....
>
I guess I missed it when Osama made appearances on Rush Limbaugh and Larry
King Live.
Beardg
>> Beardg>>remember that as a % to GNP the deficit still is below what we
>> have had
>> in the past...
>>
>True, but a debt is still a debt.
>Just ask anyone in credit counselling.
>
Beardg>>True but the ability of the economy to grow out of the hole is
greater..and with tax cuts......
Beardg
>> Beardg>>Well Osama did come out and endorse Kerry....
>>
>I guess I missed it when Osama made appearances on Rush Limbaugh and Larry
>King Live.
Beardg>>You missed the tape where Osama said if a state votes for Bush he will
attack that state?That translates to "VOTE FOR KERRY" I think. Even Kerry came
out today or yesterdaty and said he thinks the Osama endorsement/threat cost
him the election...
Rob Gill
Okay. But I still think it would have been neat to see Osama Bin Laden and
Rush Limbaugh together.
Tim
>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:05:04 -0500, Tim <tomo...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >I work with them every day. I've shared your posts with them. They're laughing
> >their ASSES off at you.
>
> Suuuure they are Timmie. Yes, a buncha Marines have nothing better to
> do than to sit around your computer reading reeky.
Heck no. How many times have I told you that I work in a secure environment?
Dude, there is NO access to the internet where I work. Nope. The military
personnel with whom I work have laughed their asses off at printed copies of
your screeds that I've delivered to them (by request, no less) after describing
a couple of them. They photocopy them and pass them on to their friends. Heck,
there's one intelligence agency where you are WELL known, Dem!
Keep 'em coming! Everyone needs a little laugh now and then!
Beardg
>Heck no. How many times have I told you that I work in a secure environment?
>
>Dude, there is NO access to the internet where I work.
Beardg>>Really tightened up security down at the Dairy Queen eh?? Gotta be
careful with those Blizzard machines...
Tim
Yep. A person could get confused.
Justin
: Here is how the marines on site feel about it:
: http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/19/111006.shtml
Absolutely, that's his point of view, published on a blatantly partisan
site.
Look, by suggesting that an investigation need happen and that things must
be dealt with carefully, I'm not implying that the marine was wrong. All
I'm saying is that we need to make sure that our armed forces are somehow
behaving in a manner that is appropriate. By questioning the behavior of
our troops I don't mean to imply that they're definitely in the wrong.
Some would say that by questioning, you automatically undermine what
they're doing and the circumstances in which they're doing it, but I
disagree. The other extreme, questioning *everything*, would be an
equally bad approach.
Justin
Justin
: their TVs deciding what is right and wrong.
But currently the decision whether or not to have that war *are* made by
pussies sitting in war rooms in front of their TVs deciding what is right
and wrong.
And as a result, marines, the guys on the ground, get the brunt of it.
-Justin
Tony D
"Justin" <n...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Lynn <NOS...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> : Here is how the marines on site feel about it:
> : http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/19/111006.shtml
>
> Absolutely, that's his point of view, published on a blatantly partisan
> site.
>
> Look, by suggesting that an investigation need happen and that things must
> be dealt with carefully, I'm not implying that the marine was wrong. All
> I'm saying is that we need to make sure that our armed forces are somehow
> behaving in a manner that is appropriate. By questioning the behavior of
> our troops I don't mean to imply that they're definitely in the wrong.
What part about non-combatents getting out of Fallujah didn't you
understand? The motherfucker could of been laid up with a grenade. I'd of
capped him in a heartbeat.
--
Tony D
1971 R75/5 boxer
1991 1200 Sporty
2004 R1150 Rockster
Philly Hoodlum©#37
SENS (less) LFS#38 PHS
BS#149 FYYFMFFY
Greek Shipping Magnets
> War cannot be fought by pussies sitting in front of their TVs deciding
>what is right and wrong.
Wow... you're finally starting to make sense!
So, you in Iraq right now or in front of the TV?
> But remember they are trading Marines for this favor....
They wouldn't be trading shit if we simply minded our own business and
stopped doing favors for the world.
Greek Shipping Magnets
>Dude, there is NO access to the internet where I work.
I wouldn't expect a janitor closet to be wired!
> Nope. The military personnel with whom I work have laughed their asses off at printed copies of
>your screeds that I've delivered to them (by request, no less) after describing
>a couple of them. They photocopy them and pass them on to their friends. Heck,
>there's one intelligence agency where you are WELL known, Dem!
Wah. You hoit my feelings. I think I'm going to tell it to the
Marines!
Boy you sure are one obsessive compulsive Timmie. You actually talk
about reeky outside in the real world? I'll bet you stay up at night
thinking about the day's posts too!
Get out more.
Greek Shipping Magnets
>What part about non-combatents getting out of Fallujah didn't you
>understand?
How do non-combatants get out of Fallujah when the US military
prevented all those from 15 to 65 from leaving?
The justification being of course that if they did, the mission
wouldn't have suceeded. Which is really doublespeak for "we're looking
to murder as many insurgent-age men as we can to make sure we clean up
the town".
Greek Shipping Magnets
Bear you're always good for a laugh! Betcha thought that comment was
made by myself and not Timmie eh? Now you wound up dissing your
homeboy.
Oh well. You'll learn eventually. To control your blind rage that is
and stop making yourself out to look like a moron. From there we can
work on your premature ejaculation and then you could finally be a
real man!
Tim
You ought to ligten up there, Dem. Just because Beardog sees you for the
complete and utter asshole that you are, and calls you on it, is no reason for
you to insult him. In fact, you really ought to thank him for the insight and
try to improve yourself. Think about it... you might actually find out that
someone will *like* you... sometime.... somewhere....
Beardg
Beardg>>Hey Greek if you don't take it up the ass why is ass in all your sigs?
Plus now we hear that Alexander was a HE/SHE.... you folks just keep on living
up to the stereotype eh?
And no, I was just reponding to the last line...Though you seemed like a
burger meister more than Tim.
Tony D
"Greek Shipping Magnets" <an.ass.is@x.x> wrote in message
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If murdering "as many insurgent-age men as we can " was the case, the town
would of been plastered with ordnance from round the clock flight ops vice
sending in ground forces.
--
Tony D
1971 R75/5 boxer
1991 1200 Sporty
2004 R1150 Rockster
Philly Hoodlumｩ#37
Greek Shipping Magnets
>Beardg>>Hey Greek if you don't take it up the ass why is ass in all your sigs?
>Plus now we hear that Alexander was a HE/SHE.... you folks just keep on living
>up to the stereotype eh?
I'd rather hail from the culture that invented western european
civilization than... what is it that you do again? I mean besides cry
like a little boy over the death of your doggie.
BTW, if I'm the one with the oddball sexual fetish how come you
haven't found yourself a woman all these years? I mean all you ever
talk about is how close you were with your pooch and it kinda gives me
the heebies jeebies thinking about it.
Trust me. You want yourself a nice gal. You'd be a lot less angry if
somebody actually loved you. And despite the lengths you'd have to go
to, there IS somebody out there for you.
Good luck with that. And happy motorcycling!
Greek Shipping Magnets
>You ought to ligten up there, Dem.
You kidding? I'm already a lanky twig.
>In fact, you really ought to thank him for the insight and try to improve yourself.
Heaven help anyone who waits for things to become obvious enough to
suckers like Bear...
>Think about it... you might actually find out that someone will *like* you... sometime.... somewhere....
Already have Timmie. In fact my problem is more with getting people to
stop liking me when I tire of them.