I Bought a Vampire Motorcyle..
boboboNObo
Money Penny wrote:
>
> If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's a '72 harley sportster chopper. It
> has a coffin shaped tank and other goth looking customizations. Pretty
> sweet.
OK, then FASCINET was wrong. It is MORE GOTH THAN A HEARSE because you
are much more likely to end up dead from it. My buddy sold his SG to
buy a scooter, a Vespa. He must fancy himself a mod. He said that he
wanted to start a scooter gang--obviously seen Quadrophenia too many
times--but who's going to be scared of a bunch of tofu eaters on Vespas?
> later,
> madboy
>
> "Ye?i" <ZuluZu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ddh_4.1888$vc5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > HRH FASCINET wrote in message <8hbafb$lj2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> > >In article <3938E9CD...@brick.net>,
> > > boboboNObo <clas...@brick.net> wrote:
> > >> Is a Vampire Motorcycle more or less goth than a hearse?
> > >
> > >Less.
> > >
> > >But, why ask me?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Prey, tell. What exactly is a "Vampire Motorcycle" (since I didn't see
> the
> > first of the thread?
> >
> >
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>
> If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's a '72 harley sportster chopper. It
> has a coffin shaped tank and other goth looking customizations. Pretty
> sweet.
> madboy
I remember when those were everywhere (and new). Man I wanted one so
bad. Too bad I was still in high school and only making about $3.50 an
hour on a part time job.
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>
>
> Money Penny wrote:
> >
> > If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's a '72 harley sportster chopper.
It
> > has a coffin shaped tank and other goth looking customizations. Pretty
> > sweet.
>
Chris Geary
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>WWID? (What would Iggy do?)
>
Iggy who?
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Chris Geary wrote in message <393abe39...@news.uswest.net>...
>On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:00 -0500, boboboNObo
><clas...@brick.net> thought we all should know:
>
>>WWID? (What would Iggy do?)
>>
>
>Iggy who?
Pop.........
m.
boboboNObo
FOC wrote:
>
> In article <3939AC68...@brick.net>, clas...@brick.net says...
> >
> >
> > Money Penny wrote:
> > >
> > > If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's a '72 harley sportster chopper. It
> > > has a coffin shaped tank and other goth looking customizations. Pretty
> > > sweet.
> >
> > OK, then FASCINET was wrong. It is MORE GOTH THAN A HEARSE because you
> > are much more likely to end up dead from it. My buddy sold his SG to
> > buy a scooter, a Vespa. He must fancy himself a mod. He said that he
> > wanted to start a scooter gang--obviously seen Quadrophenia too many
> > times--but who's going to be scared of a bunch of tofu eaters on Vespas?
>
> Vespaa are for girls. Lambrettas are the choice of the discerning
> scooter-owner.
>
> I was going to do my Lammy up with big bat wings and the like a few years
> ago, but then common sense stepped in.
>
> Damn you common sense!
The only thing like that that I've ever owned was a Yamaha 90cc, called
a "Chappy." It was automatic, and I used to ride it in full leather.
I bit it at about 40 kilometers/hr on wet pavement once, because it ran
out of gas, and since there was no clutch...
Only silly Rock'n Roller types ride them in the States. It'll be fun
for him, though. He also has a beat up '86 MR2. Shit, if you're a
single, 22 year-old, sort-of-punk type guy in St. Louis, what could be
better? It makes him happy, and hey, the guy is my coworker. He's a
nice guy, and I would prefer that he comes to work in a good mood.
I'd buy a scooter, out of practicality, if my wife wasn't so uptight
about the danger aspect. One of our friends is quadroplegic because of
a motorcycle accident. Marriage DOES entail compromise. I'm more than
happy to stay with my wife and my piece-of-shit Geo Metro. Besides, my
Geo is a 3 cylinder, 1 liter, and one of the cylinders is blown. That
makes it a 666cc. Pretty gothy, eh?
> --
> Joel
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>
>
> Money Penny wrote:
> >
> > If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's a '72 harley sportster chopper. It
> > has a coffin shaped tank and other goth looking customizations. Pretty
> > sweet.
>
> OK, then FASCINET was wrong. It is MORE GOTH THAN A HEARSE because you
> are much more likely to end up dead from it. My buddy sold his SG to
> buy a scooter, a Vespa. He must fancy himself a mod. He said that he
> wanted to start a scooter gang--obviously seen Quadrophenia too many
> times--but who's going to be scared of a bunch of tofu eaters on Vespas?
Vespaa are for girls. Lambrettas are the choice of the discerning
scooter-owner.
I was going to do my Lammy up with big bat wings and the like a few years
ago, but then common sense stepped in.
Damn you common sense!
--
Joel
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>
> Chris Geary wrote:
>
> > boboboNObo thought we all should know:
> >
> >>WWID? (What would Iggy do?)
> >
>
> Pop.........
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Chris Geary
<gre...@baynet.net> thought we all should know:
>
>Chris Geary wrote in message <393abe39...@news.uswest.net>...
>>On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:00 -0500, boboboNObo
>><clas...@brick.net> thought we all should know:
>>
>>>WWID? (What would Iggy do?)
>>>
>>
>>Iggy who?
>
>
>Pop.........
>
that's what i thought.
what makes you think Iggy Pop has anything to do with
Goth?
he's famous for his work with the Stooges, a non-Goth
band. he's also had several solo hits (notably "Lust
for Life" which is great only because of Hunt and Tony
Sales' bass and drum parts. They're Soupy's kids,
really) not really goth, to my understanding...
is Bowie Goth? does Ig's association with Bowie make
him Goth too? (i would argue that bowie screwed up
Iggy by convincing him he could actually sing...wtiness
Iggy's take on "China Girl." painful...)
Ig predates the entire genre, his work from the early
80's to present (roughly the time span of the Goth
thing) has been poppy or pop metal crap.
you should change your expression to
WWDD (what would Danzig do).
that makes more sense.
or WWBD (what would bauhaus do)
or WWSD (what would siouxsie do)
or WWAED (what would Andrew Eldritch do)
(can you tell i'm old yet?)
iggy belongs to us punks!
Joanie
cge...@amug.org (Chris Geary) writes:
> Ig predates the entire genre, his work from the early
> 80's to present (roughly the time span of the Goth
> thing) has been poppy or pop metal crap.
Chris, where are you posting from, the motorcycle newsgroup?
And are you forgetting all of Iggy's 70's work cuz that was
pre-goth times?
Joanie
Siani Evans
>
> Money Penny wrote:
> >
> > If it's the one I'm thinking about, it's a '72 harley sportster chopper. It
> > has a coffin shaped tank and other goth looking customizations. Pretty
> > sweet.
>
> OK, then FASCINET was wrong. It is MORE GOTH THAN A HEARSE because you
> are much more likely to end up dead from it. My buddy sold his SG to
> buy a scooter, a Vespa. He must fancy himself a mod. He said that he
> wanted to start a scooter gang--obviously seen Quadrophenia too many
> times--but who's going to be scared of a bunch of tofu eaters on Vespas?
>
prolly the guys who know the guys on vespas around here.
also the guy on the honda who called whats-his-name "faggot" and got
punched out at the next light.
and anyone who's been to the Niagara rally.
and most of my friends.
siani (says her vespa is more goth than her hearse, although the hearse
is more often dead.)
frequently frank
(Chris Geary) wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:12:02 GMT, "|CHROME|"
><gre...@baynet.net> thought we all should know:
>
>>
>>Chris Geary wrote in message
<393abe39...@news.uswest.net>...
>>>On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:00 -0500, boboboNObo
>>><clas...@brick.net> thought we all should know:
>>>
>>>>WWID? (What would Iggy do?)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Iggy who?
>>
>>
>>Pop.........
>>
>
>that's what i thought.
>
>what makes you think Iggy Pop has anything to do with
>Goth?
>iggy belongs to us punks!
sorry for a me too post, but that's what this is. are they going
to start claiming the MC5 next? what's with kids today anyway.
why can't they go think up something new. i agree that souixie
was pretty goth-y, and i remember all those ridiculous goth-y
people listening to virgin prunes and whatnot. rosaries around
their necks and white powder on their faces. do you realize that
it was all going on like 18 years ago or so? and that was all
second wave stuff. most punks were pretty darn sure punk was
dead or at least mortally ill by 81 or 82. now count back with
me, 18 years before 82 was 1964. Its as if all the "wildest"
kids in 81 had been mersey beat freaks, and still able to alarm
their parents with moptops. christ, they wouldn't even be in
nehru jackets yet. i have a theory that the reason youth culture
has basically stagnated and become totally boring is that there
is no catastrophic event between the end of viet nam/watergate
and now. no world war II, no end of camelot. nothing big. so i
think that 18 year old kids are a lot more like 35 year olds
today than they were in 1980.
anyway...
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Chris Geary
(Joanie) thought we all should know:
>In article <393c0258...@news.uswest.net>
>cge...@amug.org (Chris Geary) writes:
>
>> Ig predates the entire genre, his work from the early
>> 80's to present (roughly the time span of the Goth
>> thing) has been poppy or pop metal crap.
>
>
>Chris, where are you posting from, the motorcycle newsgroup?
uhh. yup. i didn't realize a.p. was in the list of
groups.
>And are you forgetting all of Iggy's 70's work cuz that was
>pre-goth times?
by my reckoning, yup. but i'm a little unclear on the
transition from glam to goth. somewhere between marc
bolan and the first souxsie record? (gawd. someone
from ZBC should know better.....)
>
joanie: meet reeky.
reeky meet joanie.
damn, what a weird day.
Chris Geary
<tex500N...@cheerful.com.invalid> thought we all
should know:
>In article <393c0258...@news.uswest.net>, cge...@amug.org
dude. use the return key once in a while.
us punx have short attention spans.
oh, and i don't really see your point.
frequently frank
if you're going to be opaque i can summarize
(and use the return key more...)
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
my point is, it is weird
that kids are still doing
the same "rebellion" thing
18 or 20-some years later.
And kind of pathetic.
TO SUM THE PREVIOUS POST:
i basically second your post that iggy has got
nothing whatever to do with goth.
then i reminisced a little about
the gothy types listening to virgin
prunes, souixsie.
this led me to consider that that
was very long ago.
i expressed amazement that
kids are still running around
doing what me and my friends
did in 1980.
moreover, they seem to think its
not real old or stale or retro
to be punk or goth or whatever
then i took a stab at why this
could be.
maybe because of no social
upheaval. we lack strong
dividing lines between mid=30s
folks and kids. my exp. as a
teen is a lot like their current
experience.
for contrast, teens before
viet nam had a very difft
exp. than teens after.
boboboNObo
frequently frank wrote:
>
>
> EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
>
> my point is, it is weird
> that kids are still doing
> the same "rebellion" thing
> 18 or 20-some years later.
> And kind of pathetic.
Not really. A lot of the same shit is around to rebel against. Stuff
that SHOULD be opposed.
>
> TO SUM THE PREVIOUS POST:
>
> i basically second your post that iggy has got
> nothing whatever to do with goth.
>
> then i reminisced a little about
> the gothy types listening to virgin
> prunes, souixsie.
>
> this led me to consider that that
> was very long ago.
Yes, it was.
>
> i expressed amazement that
> kids are still running around
> doing what me and my friends
> did in 1980.
Why wouldn't they want to do such things? Can you think of anything
that much better?
>
> moreover, they seem to think its
> not real old or stale or retro
> to be punk or goth or whatever
Rock'n Roll is timeless. Hehe.
>
> then i took a stab at why this
> could be.
>
> maybe because of no social
> upheaval. we lack strong
> dividing lines between mid=30s
> folks and kids. my exp. as a
> teen is a lot like their current
> experience.
I agree. The only significant thing to happen since VietNam was
HIV/AIDS.
>
> for contrast, teens before
> viet nam had a very difft
> exp. than teens after.
And it will--hopefully--never be the same. After VietNam, it is hard to
have respect for authority. Anyone with any brains knows that those in
charge keep their status by self-serving lies. Our whole civilization
is built on a foundation that is eroding because so much of it is
constructed of lies. In the VietNam Conflict, working class kids were
sent to die to defend the sanctity of capital property. It used to be
the noblemen who fought the wars, while the peasants, who had little at
stake, just stayed home and toiled as usual. Sorry, VietNam vets, but
you seem to me to be the biggest chumps in history, at least those of
you who came from working class families.
>
> DoD #X
--
Bryan
"I hate the kind of people who hate people like me."
--boboboNObo, in alt.punk, 6-5-00
Chris Geary
<tex500N...@cheerful.com.invalid> thought we all
should know:
>In article <393c4cd2...@news.uswest.net>, cge...@amug.org
>(Chris Geary) wrote:
>>On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:32:26 -0700, frequently frank
>><tex500N...@cheerful.com.invalid> thought we all
>>should know:
>>
>>>In article <393c0258...@news.uswest.net>, cge...@amug.org
>>>(Chris Geary) wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:12:02 GMT, "|CHROME|"
>>>><gre...@baynet.net> thought we all should know:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Geary wrote in message
>>><393abe39...@news.uswest.net>...
>>>>>>On Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:10:00 -0500, boboboNObo
>>>>>><clas...@brick.net> thought we all should know:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>WWID? (What would Iggy do?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Iggy who?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Pop.........
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>that's what i thought.
>>>>
>>>>what makes you think Iggy Pop has anything to do with
>>>>Goth?
>>><snip>
>>>>iggy belongs to us punks!
>>>
>>
>>dude. use the return key once in a while.
>>
>>us punx have short attention spans.
>>
>>oh, and i don't really see your point.
>
>if you're going to be opaque i can summarize
>
i am nothing if not opaque. certain parts are
translucent, but i keep 'em covered.
>(and use the return key more...)
mighty nice of you to oblige.
>
>EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
>
well, i have a desk and a suit....
(no, no, no, no, no, no, no mr. suit!)
>my point is, it is weird
>that kids are still doing
>the same "rebellion" thing
>18 or 20-some years later.
>And kind of pathetic.
kids will be kids. sounds stupid but there you have
it. don't belittle someone else's rebellion if you
don't understand it.
the beats, the hippies, the disco dancers, the punx,
the hc kids, the heavy mettalers (NWOBM), grunge kids,
glam, etc, etc. each was a reaction to something.
each took elements of the previous and mixed up new
stuff (or old stuff inside out so it looked new) to
make an impression.
>
>
>TO SUM THE PREVIOUS POST:
>
>i basically second your post that iggy has got
>nothing whatever to do with goth.
i wouldn't say nothing whatever, but ig is, to me,
_not_ a strictly goth-type performer. not to say that
we all shouldn't strive to emulate him....
What would iggy do?
he would have a hard time deciding whether to fuck it
or snort it....
>
>then i reminisced a little about
>the gothy types listening to virgin
>prunes, souixsie.
hey, i like the prunes and bauhaus too, and i never did
consider myself a "goth". i just like guitars.
>
>this led me to consider that that
>was very long ago.
>i expressed amazement that
>kids are still running around
>doing what me and my friends
>did in 1980.
they will, in thier own way, and act as if they
invented it...
>
>moreover, they seem to think its
>not real old or stale or retro
>to be punk or goth or whatever
correct. see above. because they don't care what you
think, only what their peers think.
>then i took a stab at why this
>could be.
>maybe because of no social
>upheaval. we lack strong
>dividing lines between mid=30s
>folks and kids. my exp. as a
>teen is a lot like their current
>experience.
oh, the dividing lines are there. ask a 19 year old
about the USSR and imminent nuclear annhiliation and
look for the blank stare, just like when some old hippy
asked you about the stones concert at altamont or
vietnam....
a band like discharge [1] seems more like a historical
oddity than a briliantly relevant force these days...
[1] now the end, the end is near,
time to say, say our last goodbyes.
doomsday doomsday, its doomsday doomsday....
frequently frank
(Chris Geary) wrote:
>>
>>my point is, it is weird
>>that kids are still doing
>>the same "rebellion" thing
>>18 or 20-some years later.
>>And kind of pathetic.
>
>kids will be kids.
that's kind of my whole point. kids AREN'T being kids. every 10-
20 years we've had kids ripping it up, doing things that were
wild and new and incomprehensible to their elders. now they're
just recycling. and seemingly unaware of how old their source
material is. imagine in 1978 listening to hits of 1958 and
thinking they were still kinda current and relevant. You recall
that in 1978, 1971 seemed really really remote.
>sounds stupid but there you have
>it. don't belittle someone else's rebellion if you
>don't understand it.
well, i kinda do hesitate to belittle, but then belittle away
anyway. i do understand it. that's the deal.
>
>the beats, the hippies, the disco dancers, the punx,
>the hc kids, the heavy mettalers (NWOBM), grunge kids,
>glam, etc, etc. each was a reaction to something.
>each took elements of the previous and mixed up new
>stuff (or old stuff inside out so it looked new) to
>make an impression.
<yawn> each reacted against the previous and tried to totally
supersede and finally obliterate the previous... well up to and
including punk, anyway. its a function of modernism.
>>
>>
>>TO SUM THE PREVIOUS POST:
>>
>>i basically second your post that iggy has got
>>nothing whatever to do with goth.
>
>i wouldn't say nothing whatever, but ig is, to me,
>_not_ a strictly goth-type performer. not to say that
>we all shouldn't strive to emulate him....
>
>What would iggy do?
>
>he would have a hard time deciding whether to fuck it
>or snort it....
but one thing is sure... all the while he'd keep them abs.
>>then i reminisced a little about
>>the gothy types listening to virgin
>>prunes, souixsie.
>
>hey, i like the prunes and bauhaus too, and i never did
>consider myself a "goth". i just like guitars.
you totally missed the point. i liked em too. thought they've
faded in their appeal a little. and i never put on the
blacksweatshirt and rosary. you're jumping to a totally wrong
conclusion. because i knew some gothy types listening to those
bands doesn't mean, obviously, everyone who listened to them was
a gothy type.
>>
>>this led me to consider that that
>>was very long ago.
>>i expressed amazement that
>>kids are still running around
>>doing what me and my friends
>>did in 1980.
>
>they will, in thier own way, and act as if they
>invented it...
why? you seem to think that the hippies were tinkering around
the edges with pat boone or something. hogwash. though there is
nothing new under the sun, on a scale of most novelty to least
novelty, we're in a period of least novelty. rockabilly kids,
kids listening to r&b/rocknroll, hippie kids, flappers even,
swing addicts, punks, hippies... each was a radical departure
from what came before. there is a huge tremendous rift that
separates the two. there is no fundamental rift between punks
now and punks in 1982. that's my whole point.
>>
>>moreover, they seem to think its
>>not real old or stale or retro
>>to be punk or goth or whatever
>
>correct. see above. because they don't care what you
>think, only what their peers think.
why do you think i care if they care? what the hell does that
have to do with anything? its stale. its been done. its old hat.
its yesterday. its pathetic retreads. do i expect some blinkered
18 year old bonehead punk/goth to care? no.
>
>>then i took a stab at why this
>>could be.
>>maybe because of no social
>>upheaval. we lack strong
>>dividing lines between mid=30s
>>folks and kids. my exp. as a
>>teen is a lot like their current
>>experience.
>
>oh, the dividing lines are there.
subtlties.
>ask a 19 year old
>about the USSR and imminent nuclear annhiliation and
>look for the blank stare,
umm... the threat of the planet cooking itself in a manmade
greenhouse, the threat of germbombs, the threat of name it...
worldwide annhilation is still lurking around. its not like we'v
gone back to the 50s or something. you're citing details.
>just like when some old hippy
>asked you about the stones concert at altamont or
>vietnam....
hmm... no. not like that at all in an important way. i had a
talk with a young punk yesterday. yes. just yesterday. about
seeing the huskers a la land speed record era, and the clash in
79 (i was 14, my parents had to drive me, you can do the math),
etc. he was all lit up. it wasn't ancient history from a bygone
era. (actually altamont was the end of that peace and lovebeads
illusion and was easier for me to relate to. woodstock or the
airplane at the filmore east or something is a better example.)
>a band like discharge [1] seems more like a historical
>oddity than a briliantly relevant force these days...
yeah. well. discharge. they were fun then. they have paled a
little. but so what? but kids are still listening to exploited??
>
>[1] now the end, the end is near,
> time to say, say our last goodbyes.
> doomsday doomsday, its doomsday doomsday....
>
and now, the end is near
its time for me
to take my final curtain
Chris Geary
<tex500N...@cheerful.com.invalid> thought we all
should know:
>In article <393d686c...@news.uswest.net>, cge...@amug.org
>(Chris Geary) wrote:
>>>
>>>my point is, it is weird
>>>that kids are still doing
>>>the same "rebellion" thing
>>>18 or 20-some years later.
>>>And kind of pathetic.
>>
>>kids will be kids.
>
>that's kind of my whole point. kids AREN'T being kids.
no, that's my point: kids can take a bunch of stuff
that you've known about for years, put a pair of flares
on it, and BOOM- trend. just because you think it's
tired doesn't mean squat. it just means you're getting
old.
>every 10-
>20 years we've had kids ripping it up, doing things that were
>wild and new and incomprehensible to their elders. now they're
>just recycling. and seemingly unaware of how old their source
>material is.
nonsense. show me a "ripping up" or revolutionary idea
and i'll show you a bunch of recycled crap with a new
paint job and a couple of skinny spokespersons....
sex pistols were just chuck berry songs played twice as
drunk and twice as fast. ramones were just
re-arranged doo-wop songs. not to take anything away
from both these bands, but it all goes back to chuck
berry, muddy waters and robert johnson.
quick theory on the evolution of rock until about 1983
(when minor threat broke up and the thrash bands
started to slow down) (think beavis and butthead)
faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster,
it's all relative. you just overly romaticize _your_
rebellion (punk rock) and fail to recognize that the
relevance of any particular subculture is based on the
value that the participants (or target demographic,
depending on how cynical you are...) place on it, not
on what outside observers think about how objectively
revolutionary it may or may not be....
>imagine in 1978 listening to hits of 1958 and
>thinking they were still kinda current and relevant. You recall
>that in 1978, 1971 seemed really really remote.
hmmm. '78.
>
>>sounds stupid but there you have
>>it. don't belittle someone else's rebellion if you
>>don't understand it.
>
>well, i kinda do hesitate to belittle, but then belittle away
>anyway. i do understand it. that's the deal.
no, you _think_ you understand it, but you can't,
because you're not 16.
>
>>
>>the beats, the hippies, the disco dancers, the punx,
>>the hc kids, the heavy mettalers (NWOBM), grunge kids,
>>glam, etc, etc. each was a reaction to something.
>>each took elements of the previous and mixed up new
>>stuff (or old stuff inside out so it looked new) to
>>make an impression.
>
><yawn> each reacted against the previous and tried to totally
>supersede and finally obliterate the previous... well up to and
>including punk, anyway. its a function of modernism.
>
actually, it's pure Hegel/Marx, aint it?
>>they will, in thier own way, and act as if they
>>invented it...
>
>why?
because, that's why.
>you seem to think that the hippies were tinkering around
>the edges with pat boone or something. hogwash.
??? what were the mommas and the poppas if not a
poorly dressed counterculture co-ed barbershop quartet?
janis joplin: a great blues bar band with an ear for
soul music.
the doors: french poetry + acid + california + ray
manzarak + a nutjob singer who looked good on stage = a
crappy band with no bass player.
jimi- ok, jimi was special. but he was no hippy, he
cut his teeth playing r&b in bar bands... then he did
too many drugs....
> though there is
>nothing new under the sun, on a scale of most novelty to least
>novelty, we're in a period of least novelty.
from your perspective, maybe. how often do you go see
new bands? when's the last time you bought a cd or
record by a band you don't already know?
>rockabilly kids,
>kids listening to r&b/rocknroll, hippie kids, flappers even,
>swing addicts, punks, hippies... each was a radical departure
>from what came before. there is a huge tremendous rift that
>separates the two. there is no fundamental rift between punks
>now and punks in 1982. that's my whole point.
oh. that's your point? i was taking the piss above.
and there is one big difference: punks today have a
better chance of getting signed. oh, and there is a
better variety of metal things to put through your nose
and cheek....
>
>>>
>>>moreover, they seem to think its
>>>not real old or stale or retro
>>>to be punk or goth or whatever
nope. why should they. it's not stale to them, only
you and me. and it's only stale if you expect to be
surprised now and then. if you expect the familiar and
you get it, they you are all set. ergo: New Bomb
Turks are my fave band right now.
>>correct. see above. because they don't care what you
>>think, only what their peers think.
>
>why do you think i care if they care? what the hell does that
>have to do with anything? its stale. its been done. its old hat.
>its yesterday. its pathetic retreads. do i expect some blinkered
>18 year old bonehead punk/goth to care? no.
jeez. chill man. there is new and interesting stuff
out there, but it's harder to find. (and don't ask
me. since i left the shadow of WMBR, it's been a
struggle to find new music.)
>
>>
>>>then i took a stab at why this
>>>could be.
>>>maybe because of no social
>>>upheaval. we lack strong
>>>dividing lines between mid=30s
>>>folks and kids. my exp. as a
>>>teen is a lot like their current
>>>experience.
>>
>>oh, the dividing lines are there.
>
>subtlties.
agreed. but have they ever been otherwise?
>
>>ask a 19 year old
>>about the USSR and imminent nuclear annhiliation and
>>look for the blank stare,
>
>umm... the threat of the planet cooking itself in a manmade
>greenhouse, the threat of germbombs, the threat of name it...
>worldwide annhilation is still lurking around. its not like we'v
>gone back to the 50s or something. you're citing details.
>
you're quibbling about my nitpicking.
>>just like when some old hippy
>>asked you about the stones concert at altamont or
>>vietnam....
>
>hmm... no. not like that at all in an important way. i had a
>talk with a young punk yesterday. yes. just yesterday. about
>seeing the huskers a la land speed record era,
"we've got a 22 minute set. we can play it in 17
minutes..."
>and the clash in
>79 (i was 14, my parents had to drive me, you can do the math),
>etc. he was all lit up. it wasn't ancient history from a bygone
>era.
yes it was, but he's clearly a history major.....
> (actually altamont was the end of that peace and lovebeads
>illusion and was easier for me to relate to. woodstock or the
>airplane at the filmore east or something is a better example.)
>
>>a band like discharge [1] seems more like a historical
>>oddity than a briliantly relevant force these days...
>
>yeah. well. discharge. they were fun then. they have paled a
>little. but so what? but kids are still listening to exploited??
i don't know. hell, i never listened to the
exploited. i thought they sucked compared to discharge
and gbh.
>>
>>[1] now the end, the end is near,
>> time to say, say our last goodbyes.
>> doomsday doomsday, its doomsday doomsday....
>>
>
>and now, the end is near
>its time for me
>to take my final curtain
>
pitiful, the both of us.
we should be taken out and shot.
frequently frank
(Chris Geary) wrote:
>On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 05:14:52 -0700, frequently frank
><tex500N...@cheerful.com.invalid> thought we all
>should know:
>
>
>
>it's all relative. you just overly romaticize _your_
>rebellion (punk rock)
no. i don't think my rebellion was that great in many respects,
actually. kinda had a lot wrong with it. trouble is, the wrong
parts are still there, and the good parts are stale. and kids
are still doing it. i think that every rebellion i can look at
predating this current reactionary rebellion was way better than
this. nothing to do with mine in particular.
>
>
>>imagine in 1978 listening to hits of 1958 and
>>thinking they were still kinda current and relevant. You recall
>>that in 1978, 1971 seemed really really remote.
>
>hmmm. '78.
>
>
>no, you _think_ you understand it, but you can't,
>because you're not 16.
tata. horsefeathers. i understand it fine.
>>
>><yawn> each reacted against the previous and tried to totally
>>supersede and finally obliterate the previous... well up to and
>>including punk, anyway. its a function of modernism.
>>
>
>actually, it's pure Hegel/Marx, aint it?
well yes. which is very closely twined up in modernism. the two
kind of inseperable. there's this voice in the back of my mind
that is warning me not to rehash all my hegel/marx/modernism;
modernism-is-dead stuff. usually i ignore that voice and get
involved in boring people. since i'm already doing that...
>
>
>> though there is
>>nothing new under the sun, on a scale of most novelty to least
>>novelty, we're in a period of least novelty.
>
>from your perspective, maybe. how often do you go see
>new bands?
rare.
>when's the last time you bought a cd or
>record by a band you don't already know?
this happens all the time.
>>
>
>>do i expect some blinkered
>>18 year old bonehead punk/goth to care? no.
>
>jeez. chill man. there is new and interesting stuff
>out there, but it's harder to find. (and don't ask
>me. since i left the shadow of WMBR, it's been a
>struggle to find new music.)
i think there's great new music, actually. i stumble upon it
with less frequency than i used to, but hey. i'm old and
wrinkly. its just the retreads i find terminally boring.
>>
>>subtlties.
>
>agreed. but have they ever been otherwise?
yes. the difference between the US before WWII and after was
huge. before and after viet nam. before and after camelot. yes.
very very different.
>>
>>
>
>you're quibbling about my nitpicking.
>that's the whole thread we've made. sad sad sad.
>
>i don't know. hell, i never listened to the
>exploited. i thought they sucked compared to discharge
>and gbh.
>>>
they did. they do. they're fking awful. part of the irony is
they were screaming punks not dead back in 82 or 83, and that
was a statement. since everybody else thought it pretty much
was. (how about the vancouver DOA guys tho, yeah?)
>
>pitiful, the both of us.
>
>we should be taken out and shot.
by boring little goths/punks listening to music from my youth.
Rick Damiani
>joanie: meet reeky.
>
>reeky meet joanie.
Hi joanie!
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Tiny Human Ferret
>
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 05:14:52 -0700, frequently frank
> <tex500N...@cheerful.com.invalid> thought we all
> should know:
>
> >In article <393d686c...@news.uswest.net>, cge...@amug.org
> >(Chris Geary) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>my point is, it is weird
> >>>that kids are still doing
> >>>the same "rebellion" thing
> >>>18 or 20-some years later.
> >>>And kind of pathetic.
> >>
> >>kids will be kids.
> >
> >that's kind of my whole point. kids AREN'T being kids.
>
> no, that's my point: kids can take a bunch of stuff
> that you've known about for years, put a pair of flares
> on it, and BOOM- trend. just because you think it's
> tired doesn't mean squat. it just means you're getting
> old.
Definitely take us out and shoot us. I've been wandering around
muttering the Refrain from Ecclesiastes for years now.
>
> >every 10-
> >20 years we've had kids ripping it up, doing things that were
> >wild and new and incomprehensible to their elders. now they're
> >just recycling. and seemingly unaware of how old their source
> >material is.
>
> nonsense. show me a "ripping up" or revolutionary idea
> and i'll show you a bunch of recycled crap with a new
> paint job and a couple of skinny spokespersons....
>
> sex pistols were just chuck berry songs played twice as
> drunk and twice as fast. ramones were just
> re-arranged doo-wop songs. not to take anything away
> from both these bands, but it all goes back to chuck
> berry, muddy waters and robert johnson.
>
> quick theory on the evolution of rock until about 1983
> (when minor threat broke up and the thrash bands
> started to slow down) (think beavis and butthead)
>
> faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster,
>
> it's all relative. you just overly romaticize _your_
> rebellion (punk rock) and fail to recognize that the
> relevance of any particular subculture is based on the
> value that the participants (or target demographic,
> depending on how cynical you are...) place on it, not
> on what outside observers think about how objectively
> revolutionary it may or may not be....
The last thing that was IMHO remotely revolutionary was Walter/Wendy
Carlos setting Beethoven and Bach to the Moog synthesizer.
>
> >imagine in 1978 listening to hits of 1958 and
> >thinking they were still kinda current and relevant. You recall
> >that in 1978, 1971 seemed really really remote.
>
> hmmm. '78.
B-52s!
>
> >
> >>sounds stupid but there you have
> >>it. don't belittle someone else's rebellion if you
> >>don't understand it.
> >
> >well, i kinda do hesitate to belittle, but then belittle away
> >anyway. i do understand it. that's the deal.
>
> no, you _think_ you understand it, but you can't,
> because you're not 16.
Right. Ah, to be young and blissfully ignorant of What Has Gone Before!
I swear to goth I'm a half inch from going ballistic over
Techno/Industrial -- there's not a bit of it that Walter/Wendy Carlos
didn't do better 30 years ago. Insanely, I an forced to regard Madonna
as being one of the few innovative acts left.
> >
> >>
> >>the beats, the hippies, the disco dancers, the punx,
> >>the hc kids, the heavy mettalers (NWOBM), grunge kids,
> >>glam, etc, etc. each was a reaction to something.
> >>each took elements of the previous and mixed up new
> >>stuff (or old stuff inside out so it looked new) to
> >>make an impression.
> >
> ><yawn> each reacted against the previous and tried to totally
> >supersede and finally obliterate the previous... well up to and
> >including punk, anyway. its a function of modernism.
> >
>
> actually, it's pure Hegel/Marx, aint it?
Except for Thesis<-->Antithesis ==> Synthesis, we get
Thesis<-->Antithesis==>Recycled.
>
> >>they will, in thier own way, and act as if they
> >>invented it...
> >
> >why?
>
> because, that's why.
Because if they didn't they'd have to admit that the older are... well,
if not wiser, at least more jaded. Due to years and years of listening
to the same shit the kids think is so fresh and new.
>
> >you seem to think that the hippies were tinkering around
> >the edges with pat boone or something. hogwash.
>
> ??? what were the mommas and the poppas if not a
> poorly dressed counterculture co-ed barbershop quartet?
>
> janis joplin: a great blues bar band with an ear for
> soul music.
>
> the doors: french poetry + acid + california + ray
> manzarak + a nutjob singer who looked good on stage = a
> crappy band with no bass player.
ROFL!
>
> jimi- ok, jimi was special. but he was no hippy, he
> cut his teeth playing r&b in bar bands... then he did
> too many drugs....
Yeah. One Mandrax too many.
>
> > though there is
> >nothing new under the sun, on a scale of most novelty to least
> >novelty, we're in a period of least novelty.
>
> from your perspective, maybe. how often do you go see
> new bands? when's the last time you bought a cd or
> record by a band you don't already know?
There's reasons why I rely on MP3... heh.
>
> >rockabilly kids,
> >kids listening to r&b/rocknroll, hippie kids, flappers even,
> >swing addicts, punks, hippies... each was a radical departure
> >from what came before. there is a huge tremendous rift that
> >separates the two. there is no fundamental rift between punks
> >now and punks in 1982. that's my whole point.
>
> oh. that's your point? i was taking the piss above.
No, it's a huge point IMHO. For instance, there's this guy at my job who
thinks he's just soooo counterCulture. Like, Anarchy dood. <band-name>
rocks, Oi!
I was _already_ tired of that in maybe 1982.
>
> and there is one big difference: punks today have a
> better chance of getting signed. oh, and there is a
> better variety of metal things to put through your nose
> and cheek....
Yup. Mostly a better variety of things to pierce yourself with. The
downside is that nobody's shocked unless you're walking around with a
Prince Albert exposed and even then they just figure you got lost on
your way to "Bound".
> >
> >>>
> >>>moreover, they seem to think its
> >>>not real old or stale or retro
> >>>to be punk or goth or whatever
>
> nope. why should they. it's not stale to them, only
> you and me. and it's only stale if you expect to be
> surprised now and then. if you expect the familiar and
> you get it, they you are all set. ergo: New Bomb
> Turks are my fave band right now.
I'm personally leaning very much towards bluegrass these days. the
classic stuff from the 40s.
>
> >>correct. see above. because they don't care what you
> >>think, only what their peers think.
> >
> >why do you think i care if they care? what the hell does that
> >have to do with anything? its stale. its been done. its old hat.
> >its yesterday. its pathetic retreads. do i expect some blinkered
> >18 year old bonehead punk/goth to care? no.
>
> jeez. chill man. there is new and interesting stuff
> out there, but it's harder to find. (and don't ask
> me. since i left the shadow of WMBR, it's been a
> struggle to find new music.)
Hah. I get National Public Radio which occasionally has some truly
awesome crap outta Appalachia, with the odd smear of blues and freaky
jazz. Thank Britney!
>
> >
> >>
> >>>then i took a stab at why this
> >>>could be.
> >>>maybe because of no social
> >>>upheaval. we lack strong
> >>>dividing lines between mid=30s
> >>>folks and kids. my exp. as a
> >>>teen is a lot like their current
> >>>experience.
> >>
> >>oh, the dividing lines are there.
> >
> >subtlties.
>
> agreed. but have they ever been otherwise?
Oh, back in the past the divisions IMHO were pretty damned concrete!
Especially betwee, for instance, my dad the WWII vet who knows every old
harmonica Train Song, and me growing up as the kid of the family,
wearing long hair and listening to old Hendrix. That used to be pretty
common, and in fact dad and I got along and actually tried to listen to
each other's music now and then. Most of my contemporaries (and his)
didn't get along so well. Politically I don't think there could have
been more division at the time. In fact, while I really like Punk's
anger, it seemed to be politically directionless (in the States at
least) when compared to the Vietnam Era protest musicians and the groups
whose messages they carried.
> >
> >>ask a 19 year old
> >>about the USSR and imminent nuclear annhiliation and
> >>look for the blank stare,
> >
> >umm... the threat of the planet cooking itself in a manmade
> >greenhouse, the threat of germbombs, the threat of name it...
> >worldwide annhilation is still lurking around. its not like we'v
> >gone back to the 50s or something. you're citing details.
> >
>
> you're quibbling about my nitpicking.
And I am bitching about both.
>
> >>just like when some old hippy
> >>asked you about the stones concert at altamont or
> >>vietnam....
> >
> >hmm... no. not like that at all in an important way. i had a
> >talk with a young punk yesterday. yes. just yesterday. about
> >seeing the huskers a la land speed record era,
>
> "we've got a 22 minute set. we can play it in 17
> minutes..."
>
> >and the clash in
> >79 (i was 14, my parents had to drive me, you can do the math),
> >etc. he was all lit up. it wasn't ancient history from a bygone
> >era.
>
> yes it was, but he's clearly a history major.....
Nah, he's just geezing. And so if you want a bygone era, I saw Pink
Floyd on their shine On You Crazy Diamond tour.
>
> > (actually altamont was the end of that peace and lovebeads
> >illusion and was easier for me to relate to. woodstock or the
> >airplane at the filmore east or something is a better example.)
> >
> >>a band like discharge [1] seems more like a historical
> >>oddity than a briliantly relevant force these days...
> >
> >yeah. well. discharge. they were fun then. they have paled a
> >little. but so what? but kids are still listening to exploited??
>
> i don't know. hell, i never listened to the
> exploited. i thought they sucked compared to discharge
> and gbh.
> >>
> >>[1] now the end, the end is near,
> >> time to say, say our last goodbyes.
> >> doomsday doomsday, its doomsday doomsday....
> >>
> >
> >and now, the end is near
> >its time for me
> >to take my final curtain
> >
>
> pitiful, the both of us.
>
> we should be taken out and shot.
Full of what? electroshock doesn't get it for you anymore? heh.
>
> --
> cge...@amug.org
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Billy Oblivion wrote:
>
>
> Actually, punk was essentially futurism hooked into rock/pop
> culture. Goth was surrealism hooked into pop/rock culture.
>
If no one has ever told you that you are a total dumbass, it is only
because no one gives enough of a shit about you to do so.
Rigger
hi joanie.
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>
> cge...@amug.org (Chris Geary) wrote:
>
> >joanie: meet reeky.
> >
> >reeky meet joanie.
>
You wuss. The *traditional* rec.moto greeting
is:
BUGGER OFF, YA GIT!
Thank you.
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Rigger
> You wuss. The *traditional* rec.moto greeting
> is:
>
> BUGGER OFF, YA GIT!
>
> Thank you.
<pedantic>
I rather doubt that joanie's a git.
</pedantic>
Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan wrote:
>
> > You wuss. The *traditional* rec.moto greeting
> > is:
> >
> > BUGGER OFF, YA GIT!
> >
> > Thank you.
>
> <pedantic>
> I rather doubt that joanie's a git.
> </pedantic>
(From http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?git)
Main Entry: git
Pronunciation: 'git
Function: noun
Etymology: variant of get, term of abuse, from 2get
Date: 1943
British : a foolish or worthless person
(Definition © 2000 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated)
Now, joanie (whoever he/she/they/it is/is/are/is) posted
to rec.moto of its/her/their/his own free will. That, by
itself, is prima facie evidence of gittitude.
Whether or not it's an accurate description is something
that will be borne out anon.
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tell: is there a message in this song? Will it ever make sense?
Will it ever ring a bell? Only time will tell. -- Jimmy Buffett
Rigger
> Now, joanie (whoever he/she/they/it is/is/are/is) posted
> to rec.moto of its/her/their/his own free will. That, by
> itself, is prima facie evidence of gittitude.
Ah, but I must aver for the defense:
IIRC she was drawn here unconciously, under the evil spell (and a
cross-posted reply on alt.gothic or alt.punk) of Chris "I'm Goth And
Proud And Gone Off Sailing" Geary... I don't think free will entered
into the transaction.
Dismiss, Your Honor.
Joanie
Rigger <rigger-...@voyager.net> writes:
> Dan wrote:
>
> > Now, joanie (whoever he/she/they/it is/is/are/is) posted
> > to rec.moto of its/her/their/his own free will. That, by
> > itself, is prima facie evidence of gittitude.
>
>
> Ah, but I must aver for the defense:
>
> IIRC she was drawn here unconciously, under the evil spell (and a
> cross-posted reply on alt.gothic or alt.punk) of Chris "I'm Goth And
> Proud And Gone Off Sailing" Geary... I don't think free will entered
> into the transaction.
>
> Dismiss, Your Honor.
As much as I love motorcycles, I posted from the lowly alt.punk
and cuz I was psyched to see my old pal Chris Geary pop up on a
newsgroup. I'm not particularly foolish altho I may very well
be worthless.
Speaking of motorcycles, Slothrop, when are we going for a ride?
Joanie
Ye†i
Joanie wrote in message <8hqj9h$gu3$1...@cruncher.dfci.harvard.edu>...
> Dan wrote:
>
> > Now, joanie (whoever he/she/they/it is/is/are/is) posted
> > to rec.moto of its/her/their/his own free will. That, by
> > itself, is prima facie evidence of gittitude.
>
>
> Ah, but I must aver for the defense:
>
> IIRC she was drawn here unconciously, under the evil spell (and a
> cross-posted reply on alt.gothic or alt.punk) of Chris "I'm Goth And
> Proud And Gone Off Sailing" Geary... I don't think free will entered
> into the transaction.
>
> Dismiss, Your Honor.
*As much as I love motorcycles, I posted from the lowly alt.punk
*and cuz I was psyched to see my old pal Chris Geary pop up on a
*newsgroup. I'm not particularly foolish altho I may very well
*be worthless.
Well, I was about to apologize for starting the x-post to reekie ( I figured
the denizens would have a good idea what the bike in question was)....but,
seeing the positive turn of events I shall not do so.
Cheers
Yeti
Dan Nitschke
>
> Dan wrote:
>
> > Now, joanie (whoever he/she/they/it is/is/are/is) posted
> > to rec.moto of its/her/their/his own free will. That, by
> > itself, is prima facie evidence of gittitude.
>
> Ah, but I must aver for the defense:
>
> IIRC she was drawn here unconciously, under the evil spell (and a
> cross-posted reply on alt.gothic or alt.punk) of Chris "I'm Goth And
> Proud And Gone Off Sailing" Geary... I don't think free will entered
> into the transaction.
Phhhhthbth, piffle, and foo. The being "joanie" was
not *forced* to post, and the onus is on the posting
being to read the "Newsgroups:" line. Ignorance of the
law and all that. Free will is still in force, except
where prohibited by law.
> Dismiss, Your Honor.
You are in contempt and curt. And I am the Maker of
Rules, dealing with fools; I can cheat you blind.
Bailiff, bring this man a glass of tepid tapwater.
--
/* St. Dan the Pedantic: The Anti-Ged, IY (tm) #1, none-%er #7 */
Dan Nitschke - peDA...@idiom.com - (.....)@(......).net
-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall, waiting for the
worms to come. -- Roger Waters
Rigger
> You are in contempt and curt.
I have never been Curt.
Back on Earth, I'm Dave. But here, I'm Den.
> And I am the Maker of
> Rules, dealing with fools; I can cheat you blind.
<squints>
Bastard. Where're my corneas off to?
> Bailiff, bring this man a glass of tepid tapwater.
...With a goldfish?
sloth...@my-deja.com
joa...@wmbr.mit.edu (Joanie) wrote:
>
> Speaking of motorcycles, Slothrop, when are we going for a ride?
>
> Joanie
>
As soon as one of us can come up with an extra helmet. If you find one,
let me know; otherwise, I may have to break down and buy one. My bike is
in Mass. now- so any day. Just give me an easy spot to find you at
(unless you're up for venturing to the fetid, mosquito-filled swamp of
the S.S.)
And, uh, how did you know I'd be reading this thread?
-slothrop
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Chris Geary
<ZuluZu...@hotmail.com> thought we all should know:
>Well, I was about to apologize for starting the x-post to reekie ( I figured
>the denizens would have a good idea what the bike in question was)....but,
>seeing the positive turn of events I shall not do so.
>
you know the rules. no apologies allowed.
second: we did have a nice discussion about goth
motorcycles vs. heskeths.
and a lurvely digression into the nature of cultural
rebellion. many big words were used without full
understanding.
alas, no flames erupted. still, a very successful
thread. bon voyage alt.punk, alt.goth, untill we meet
again.
listen to joanie thursday mornings 10am -noon eastern
at wmbr.mit.edu.
rawk!