2-up, what's the big deal?
Dave
yesterday, about 20 miles of back roads, fastest was about 55MPH. Yeah, I
know, bad idea and all that.
I was surprised at how little difference there was, as opposed to riding
alone. The bike was a little heavier. (obviously) But it was actually more
stable, as it wasn't getting pushed around by the wind as much. Did lots of
slow speed TIGHT turns, just to make sure I could. NO PROBLEM.
It was the first time my wife had ever been on a motorcycle (even as a
rider). It was awesome. I told her to lean with the bike and not put her
feet down. We were fine. She loved it, although she was REALLY nervous at
first (never been on a motorcycle before).
2-up is supposed to be something you do only after you are extremely
experienced because it is so much harder, blah blah blah...
Shit, I could probably pass the BRC course 2-up without losing any points.
It's no big deal at all. It's just like trading up to a larger ride. Of
course, my wife seems to be a GOOD passenger, so maybe that makes a
difference? -Dave
Dean Hoffman
"Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
It does. A neighbor crashed because his wife got nervous and
tried to get off while they were still moving. One ended up with a
broken leg. I don't remember about the other.
Balance at low speeds will be different. Have you experienced gravel
on pavement? I bet almost everyone who rides has dumped a bike because
of it.
I put one foot down at a stop much of the time while riding solo.
Two feet down every time 2 up. The passenger would have to shift only a
little to change the balance at a stop.
Overconfidence is a killer.
Dean
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BJayKana
she got on the back of my Wing, was to to Mena Ar., a 200 mile round
trip.
The next trip, we rode to Corpus, of which was a 1900 mile round trip,
in 6 days.
That is averaging 300 miles per day.
She ain't complained yet, hehj-hhehj-
Thanks pard, nice topic.
'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--
timeOday
> Got about 700 miles of actual experience now. Took my wife for a ride
> yesterday, about 20 miles of back roads, fastest was about 55MPH. Yeah, I
> know, bad idea and all that.
>
> I was surprised at how little difference there was, as opposed to riding
> alone. The bike was a little heavier. (obviously) But it was actually more
> stable, as it wasn't getting pushed around by the wind as much. Did lots of
> slow speed TIGHT turns, just to make sure I could. NO PROBLEM.
>
One thing to remember is that even if the second passenger didn't
increase the risk of an accident AT ALL, they still double the
consequences. Why make your wife bear the extra risk of learning to
ride if she is not learning to ride? That said, happy riding,
regardless of your choice.
Robert Bolton
"Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote in message
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Sounds like she is a good passenger. Mine moves around a good deal, making
stops interesting at times. The main difference between 1 and 2 up, as someone
mentioned, is that you've got your wife's life in your hands. A mistake on your
part, like missing an opportunity to avoid an accident, can permanently injure
her.
Robert
Road Glidin' Don
>I told her to lean with the bike
You should correct that, next time you ride. Tell her to be basically
like a sack of cement on the back - not actively attempting to lean
with or against - just sit there. It's best you do the leaning
yourself and at the times of your choosing and to the extent that you
need to, otherwise it introduces surprises and screws up your
handling.
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Dave
>> course, my wife seems to be a GOOD passenger, so maybe that makes a
>> difference? -Dave
>
> It does. A neighbor crashed because his wife got nervous and
> tried to get off while they were still moving. One ended up with a
> broken leg. I don't remember about the other.
> Balance at low speeds will be different. Have you experienced gravel
> on pavement? I bet almost everyone who rides has dumped a bike because
> of it.
> I put one foot down at a stop much of the time while riding solo.
> Two feet down every time 2 up. The passenger would have to shift only a
> little to change the balance at a stop.
> Overconfidence is a killer.
>
> Dean
I gave my wife explicit instructions. I told her that as long as the engine
was running, her feet were NOT to leave the footboards. I knew that was the
only way I'd be able to balance the bike, was if she stayed ON it. She
listened.
Yup, I've seen gravel on pavement. First time I saw it was a really sharp
corner marked 25. I went about 15 around it. Scary stuff.
Funny. I've been putting both feet down most of the time with my wife on
the back. Maybe I should do that all the time. We went riding again today,
about another hundred miles or so. We're both loving it. I have a feeling
we'll be buying her a bike next year. :) -Dave
Dave
"BJayKana" <Jay...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2946-449...@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net...
I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night (to avoid traffic).
Might do that in a couple of months. Told the wife I need a pillow for my
butt though. It gets sore after a couple of hours. I know 800 miles is a
long way to ride in one shot. But I've done far more than that driving
(cars, pickups), non-stop. I really think I can handle it, other than a
REALLY sore butt. :) -Dave
Dave
> increase the risk of an accident AT ALL, they still double the
> consequences. Why make your wife bear the extra risk of learning to
> ride if she is not learning to ride? That said, happy riding,
> regardless of your choice.
Hey, she wants to learn, though. She's already got her learner's permit. I
thought it would be good to show her what the motorcycle feels like at
speed, before she starts learning to operate it. That way, she has a sense
of where she is going, not just that she is starting at zero. I have a
feeling she'll be buying her own ride, next year. -Dave
Dave
> making stops interesting at times. The main difference between 1 and 2
> up, as someone mentioned, is that you've got your wife's life in your
> hands. A mistake on your part, like missing an opportunity to avoid an
> accident, can permanently injure her.
>
> Robert
OH, I'm being extremely careful when I've got her on the bike. Not that I
have much choice, with the engine still breaking in. :) We haven't got a
set of armor for her yet, so I've been insisting that she wears MY armor
when she rides with me. She's got a much nicer helmet than I do. I'd steal
it from her, if it would fit me. She's got some nice riding gloves, also.
We've just got to get her an armored jacket like I wear. Then she'll be
pretty well set, as she's already got nice boots and raingear. -Dave
Dave
"Road Glidin' Don" <langkd_...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:44959f0a...@shawnews.ed.shawcable.net...
Yeah, I wasn't sure how to word it. But I made sure that she understood
that if the bike leans, she stays straight with the BIKE. She's doing an
awesome job. :) -Dave
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night (to avoid traffic).
You're going to double your entire riding experience in one night? The
night isn't long enough.
What about the deer?
> Might do that in a couple of months. Told the wife I need a pillow for my
> butt though. It gets sore after a couple of hours. I know 800 miles is a
> long way to ride in one shot. But I've done far more than that driving
> (cars, pickups), non-stop. I really think I can handle it, other than a
> REALLY sore butt. :) -Dave
Riding your smallish bike 800 miles in one day is nothing like 800 miles
in your car or truck. Nothing at all.
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Jeff Mayner
"Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote in message
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A good and instinctual passenger makes a lot of difference, especially if
the operator is inexperienced. You have a keeper there. ;-)
>
>
David Steuber
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:25:29 -0600, timeOday said:
>
> >second passenger
>
> Is that legal?
I will make it legal.
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Dean Hoffman
"Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night (to avoid traffic).
> Might do that in a couple of months. Told the wife I need a pillow for my
> butt though. It gets sore after a couple of hours. I know 800 miles is a
> long way to ride in one shot. But I've done far more than that driving
> (cars, pickups), non-stop. I really think I can handle it, other than a
> REALLY sore butt. :) -Dave
You might want to think that one over a bit. Often, the only
time I get to ride is on the weekend. The 200 or 300 hundred miles
rides are no big deal. The 500 milers are getting to the end of my
comfort zone.
I'm not in any hurry on these rides so take a break every couple
hours. Plus fuel stops. A sore butt, hands and leg muscles are some
things that happen toward the end of the 500 miles. I do the usual
things of shifting positions, standing on the pegs and such. I stop
and walk around.
The tiredness and stiffness can slow reaction time. Do you have a
windshield? The buffeting of the wind will tire you a lot faster than
riding in a car.
This is from the NHTSA: http://tinyurl.com/b498j
Don Fearn
>I gave my wife explicit instructions. I told her that as long as the engine
>was running, her feet were NOT to leave the footboards. I knew that was the
>only way I'd be able to balance the bike, was if she stayed ON it. She
>listened.
Good job; both of you.
Whenever I've had passengers, I've told them that, and also that they
must "sit up straight (straight being relative to the motorcycle) and
DON'T wiggle!" The only time I ever had any problem was when my
daughter came with me on a long ride and she fell asleep, making her
helmet bump mine and startling us both. That was no big deal, though;
I took that as an indicator that it was time for a break and pulled
off to visit a diner and get some lunch and some coffee.
Come to think of it, that's the only *long* trip I've ever had with a
passenger. My other kids, a son and another daughter, and also my
wife, all opted for riding their own motorcycle -- I guess they wanted
more control than passenging offered . . . .
pooder was here with a little passenger experience
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Cam Penner
@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, no...@nohow.not says...
Try the phrase: "Don't actively lean, just look over my
inside shoulder while cornering."
Where a passenger REALLY makes a difference is in your
emergency maneuvers. For 99% of riding - you're right, it
makes no difference. Under hard braking, you'll be amazed
at how much weight your little tiny ballerina of a wife
will transfer to your arms. That kind of weight shift can
produce some dramatic steering inputs. Likewise, emergency
swerves can be "interesting".
--
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'00 Sprint RS
Robert Bolton
"Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote in message
armor other than the wife's warm weather gloves. Glad to hear you're family is
enjoying the ride.
Robert.
Leon
I gave another biker who had broken down a lift on my GPZ900R a few
years ago. Every time I cracked the throttle open he yelled, obviously
thinking he'd slide off the back and be dumped in the road. He did, the
same whenever he saw someone in front indicating that they were turning
right, thinking I'd try to overtake them. Whe I dropped him off, his
legs were shaking so much that he couldn't walk properly!
Leon
Mike T.
>
> Whenever I've had passengers, I've told them that, and also that they
> must "sit up straight (straight being relative to the motorcycle) and
> DON'T wiggle!" The only time I ever had any problem was when my
> daughter came with me on a long ride and she fell asleep, making her
> helmet bump mine and startling us both.
Man, falling asleep on a bike? She must be the type who falls asleep before
her head hits the pillow. I envy that. -Dave
Leon
I was following a bike last year with the passenger fast asleep.
My older brother fell asleep while riding his bike, many years ago. He
woke up on top of a hedge, which had also caught the bike - no damage
to him or the bike.
Leon
Mike T.
> time I get to ride is on the weekend. The 200 or 300 hundred miles
> rides are no big deal. The 500 milers are getting to the end of my
> comfort zone.
> I'm not in any hurry on these rides so take a break every couple
> hours. Plus fuel stops. A sore butt, hands and leg muscles are some
> things that happen toward the end of the 500 miles. I do the usual
> things of shifting positions, standing on the pegs and such. I stop
> and walk around.
> The tiredness and stiffness can slow reaction time. Do you have a
> windshield? The buffeting of the wind will tire you a lot faster than
> riding in a car.
> This is from the NHTSA: http://tinyurl.com/b498j
>
> Dean
Yes, I've got a windshield. The only parts of my body that are exposed to
wind from the front are the upper half of my head, and my knees when I get
lazy. That is, I'm supposed to hold my legs in, but usually don't, so my
knees end up sticking out in the windstream. The windshield is short enough
that I see over it, so my face gets hit with wind. But I wear a full-face
helmet. Good thing, too. A couple days ago, I had a bug splattered on my
face shield, completely blocking my vision in front of my left eye. Don't
know what it was, but it was huge. Without the face shield, I might have
been knocked off the bike. The bug itself wouldn't have knocked me off, but
getting hit with it in the left eye socket would have probably startled me
enough to lose my bearings momentarily.
Question: What the frick do you do when you get a huge bug splattered on
your face shield, so that you can only see out of one eye? If I was home,
I'd grab the garden hose and spray it off. On the road, middle of nowhere,
what's the easy solution?
Well, my record for driving non-stop was Colorado (Denver area) to
Massachusetts (Boston area). I've also done several other trips over a
thousand miles, non-stop. I like to drive all night. I know riding the
bike is different. I have a feeling I could handle it though, for 800 miles
or so. I seem to be taking to the motorcycle like a duck to water. -Dave
Mike T.
> inside shoulder while cornering."
>
> Where a passenger REALLY makes a difference is in your
> emergency maneuvers. For 99% of riding - you're right, it
> makes no difference. Under hard braking, you'll be amazed
> at how much weight your little tiny ballerina of a wife
> will transfer to your arms. That kind of weight shift can
> produce some dramatic steering inputs. Likewise, emergency
> swerves can be "interesting".
Hmmmmmm, well, I can already feel the difference while braking. It's not
dramatic, but there's a difference. Got to have strong arms. :) -Dave
Mike T.
> years ago. Every time I cracked the throttle open he yelled, obviously
> thinking he'd slide off the back and be dumped in the road. He did, the
> same whenever he saw someone in front indicating that they were turning
> right, thinking I'd try to overtake them. Whe I dropped him off, his
> legs were shaking so much that he couldn't walk properly!
>
> Leon
>
That's pretty funny. You'd think that another biker would be the perfect
passenger, as they would know from experience what to do and what NOT to do.
I'd think that another biker would also tend to just shut up and ride, while
on the back seat. The last thing I'd want to do on the back of a bike being
driven by someone else would be ANYTHING that will distract the driver, even
slightly. It boils down to the saying about too many cooks spoiling the
broth. I wouldn't expect another biker to ride the same way I do. But I'm
not going to coach them from the back seat. :) -Dave
BJayKana
dontb...@bogus.dom (Venture Rider)
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:25:29 -0600, (timeOday said:
second passenger)
Venture rider comments with three little words. ‘‘Is that
legal?’’
(Loud Pipes Risk Rights, by VR)
=================================
bj...@webtv.net comments:
Hey, dontbother@venture rider.com,
That's, all? You had no other contribution to a good motorcyle topic?
I am guessing your wife/GF whatever, aint' no 2-upper, eh? What else to
think?
heh-heh bjay~
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Question: What the frick do you do when you get a huge bug splattered
> on your face shield, so that you can only see out of one eye? If I
> was home, I'd grab the garden hose and spray it off. On the road,
> middle of nowhere, what's the easy solution?
I carry a small spritz bottle of liquid Pledge and a small cloth in the
fairing pocket. The bottle was a sample container of some kind of hair
stuff, I think. Pledge is a great visor cleaner. (Of course, you smell
like lemons for the next hundred miles.)
Look in the section at your supermarket dedicated to travel products.
Pick a plunger-type container and empty out whatever was in it.
> Well, my record for driving non-stop was Colorado (Denver area) to
> Massachusetts (Boston area).
Just a tad under 2,000 miles.
> I've also done several other trips over a thousand miles, non-stop.
So have I - on the bike - but *way* long after I had passed 700 total
miles of experience.
> I like to drive all night. I know riding the bike is different. I
> have a feeling I could handle it though, for 800 miles or so. I seem
> to be taking to the motorcycle like a duck to water. -Dave
Ducks don't always float.
BJayKana
no...@nohow.not> wrote:
I told her to lean with the bike
You should correct that, next time you ride. Tell her to be basically
like a sack of cement on the back - not actively attempting to lean with
or against - just sit there. It's best you do the leaning yourself and
at the times of your choosing and to the extent that you need to,
otherwise it introduces surprises and screws up your handling.
~RGdon~
bj...@webtv.net
Not exactly like a sack,of,cement. heh-heh- I like mine to rub my back,
git' uh' hold of my waste, lean with me, rather than against me. (wink)
~actually come to think of it, I, sometimes dont remember shes riding
back there, hmmmmmmm,Bud,that’s agood thang' eh?
BobN
BJayKana
bj...@webtv.net Dave,My lovely wife and I have been riding 2up, for 18
years. The first time she got on the back of my Wing, was to to Mena
Ar., a 200 mile round trip.
The next trip, we rode to Corpus, of which was a 1900 mile round trip,
in 6 days.
That is averaging 300 miles per day.
She ain't complained yet, hehj-hhehj-
Thanks pard, nice topic.
Dave responds:
BJay~I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night (to avoid
traffic). Might do that in a couple of months. Told the wife I need a
pillow for my butt though. It gets sore after a couple of hours. I know
800 miles is a long way to ride in one shot. But I've done far more than
that driving (cars, pickups), non-stop. I really think I can handle it,
other than a REALLY sore butt. :) -Dave
bj...@webtv.net
WOW, there Dave, where did that come from?
Why 800 miles? Why this early in your learning stages? You say ''maybe a
sore butt, you better have an iron butt, buddy''
If you ever do, please tell us about it, because I wood venture to say,
not even a 1/4 of the Riders on this group have rode 800 in a 24 hour
period. Thats called ''endurance'' riding, not ''pleasure riding''
My most is 600, in about 10 hours. To me, 800 is alot, even driving a
Vehicle. Dont jump to0 quick, I have drove more than that, but it was
rough, I rmember.
Ole' honest texan Bjay. (smile)
Mike T.
>
> bj...@webtv.net
> WOW, there Dave, where did that come from?
> Why 800 miles? Why this early in your learning stages? You say ''maybe a
> sore butt, you better have an iron butt, buddy''
> If you ever do, please tell us about it, because I wood venture to say,
> not even a 1/4 of the Riders on this group have rode 800 in a 24 hour
> period. Thats called ''endurance'' riding, not ''pleasure riding''
> My most is 600, in about 10 hours. To me, 800 is alot, even driving a
> Vehicle. Dont jump to0 quick, I have drove more than that, but it was
> rough, I rmember.
> Ole' honest texan Bjay. (smile)
>
> 'Ya'll take care'' --BJAY--
>
Well, it's either that, or drive the car. Our company requires us to travel
periodically. They will gladly pay for a plane ticket, round trip. Problem
is, you end up staying a couple weeks (or longer) many hundreds of miles
from home. That wouldn't be a problem at all, except that the company is
too cheap to spring for a rental car for each person. It works like this .
. . for every 3 managers, one rental car. You're only "working" about 8
hours a day, Monday through Friday. On nights and weekends, you are stuck
in the motel room, ordering delivery pizza. That sucks.
After the first such trip, I told the company they were going to pay for my
gas and maintenance (ie, oil change) on my car. They were OK with that, as
they saved money by not buying the plane ticket. I was the only one there
who had my own vehicle that trip. I've repeated that every trip after.
In a couple months, I will have to go about 800 miles away and stay there a
couple weeks. I could take the car, but I'd rather take the bike. Will
have to pack lightly, but that's not a problem. The bike has enough storage
onboard that I could squeeze in about a week's worth of clothes plus my
toothbrush. Will have to leave the notebook at home, but oh well. Would
rather have the bike than the notebook. :) -Dave
Leon
BJayKana wrote:
> no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> I told her to lean with the bike
> You should correct that, next time you ride. Tell her to be basically
> like a sack of cement on the back - not actively attempting to lean with
> or against - just sit there. It's best you do the leaning yourself and
> at the times of your choosing and to the extent that you need to,
> otherwise it introduces surprises and screws up your handling.
Theoretically, that makes sense. Just leaning doesn't steer the bike,
turning the handlebars in the opposite direction to the turn or
counter-steering does. When the rider leans to one side or the other,
he/she is in fact turning the bars slightly in the other direction,
which leans the bike over into the turn. From that point of view the
passenger just has to stay upright relative to the bike and doesn't
really have to do any actual leaning.
Leon
BJayKana
leon....@bulldoghome.com (Leon)
I was following a bike last year with the passenger fast asleep.
My older brother fell asleep while riding his bike, many years ago. He
woke up on top of a hedge, which had also caught the bike - no damage to
him or the bike.
Leon
bj...@webtv.net
I don't think I understand. uhhhhhhh, your older bro fell asleep while
steering, like in ''1-up''? Not like ''2-up''. (che.wah.wah)
HankB
> OH, I'm being extremely careful when I've got her on the bike. Not that I
> have much choice, with the engine still breaking in. :) We haven't got a
> set of armor for her yet, so I've been insisting that she wears MY armor
> when she rides with me. She's got a much nicer helmet than I do. I'd steal
> it from her, if it would fit me. She's got some nice riding gloves, also.
> We've just got to get her an armored jacket like I wear. Then she'll be
> pretty well set, as she's already got nice boots and raingear.
Is there anyone you know personally that posts to this group? One day
if we never hear from you again, will we get the full story or just be
left wondering?
-hank
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Wrong Dave.
>
>-hank
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Yes, not 2-up.
Leon
Mike T.
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That's pretty harsh. I'm closing in on 1000 miles now (almost got the
engine broken in, YAY!!!), hundreds of that 2-up. Closest I've come to any
kind of incident was when I got cut off by a Harley rider. Haven't dropped
the bike, and don't intend to. Not saying it won't happen, but I have a
feeling I'll be as likely as anyone to break the odds. Long before I
started riding motorcycles, I was a competitive bicycle racer. That is, not
a casual bike rider, but someone likely to pass you under his own power,
while you were riding your motorcycle. Yes, that was a quite frequent
occurrence, back in the day. :) -Dave
Road Glidin' Don
One year spent driving a car is probably more beneficial to
motorcycling safety than a lifetime riding bicycles.
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ifitw...@hotfellowship.com
I have a single seat nowadays, wifey don't ever go on the bike, I have the
single seat to ride in peace, wifey says it will also keep me from giving
lifts to the little cuties.
But then there's the one who show's with her own cushion!!!
Mike T.
> motorcycling safety than a lifetime riding bicycles.
>
I'd agree if we are talking about the average, casual bicycle rider. -Dave
entropy_magnet
The biggest difference, to me, of long distancing on a bike vs a car, is
exposure to the elements. My longest single day ride is about 650
miles, in a car, about 1000(not counting our yearly conversion van ride
to San Diego, as I'm not driving the whole time). The 650 on the bike
was pretty brutal, middle of summer riding from PA to GA. Make sure you
drink plenty of water. When you're done drinking water, drink some more
water. If its hot enough, you may want to wear gear that doesn't mind
being soaked down, you can get some extra cooling for a little while by
hydrating your clothes.
Watch out for sunburn, too. Riding up to western NY a couple years
back, I was playing freeway tag for the first 4 hours with a group of
folks on Harleys. They would chug along at 60 or 70 mph, wearing tank
tops, and I would zip past them at 85 or 90. I'd stop about every hour
to drink more water and douse myself, and pass them again. Every time I
passed them, they got redder and redder. I just had little sunburn
lines(about 1/4 of an inch) from where my jacket and short gloves didn't
quite provide full coverage.
Hrm, except you mentioned riding at night, so sunburn is probably out :)
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Mike T.
> Watch out for sunburn, too. Riding up to western NY a couple years back,
> I was playing freeway tag for the first 4 hours with a group of folks on
> Harleys. They would chug along at 60 or 70 mph, wearing tank tops, and I
> would zip past them at 85 or 90. I'd stop about every hour to drink more
> water and douse myself, and pass them again. Every time I passed them,
> they got redder and redder. I just had little sunburn lines(about 1/4 of
> an inch) from where my jacket and short gloves didn't quite provide full
> coverage.
>
> Hrm, except you mentioned riding at night, so sunburn is probably out :)
>
Yeah, I'm surprised how much sun I've gotten already this year, just from
short daytime rides. I wear a jacket usually, but it's mesh (and CE
armored). So it only provides partial sun protection. Got to figure out a
good solution for my eyes, eventually. Was thinking smoked shield, but plan
to do some night-time riding, and don't want to have to carry an extra
shield. But wearing sunglasses would be uncomfortable, with the helmet on.
And I wouldn't ride without the helmet, even if that was allowed. -Dave
BJayKana
no...@nohow.not (Mike T.)
Dave responds to "HankB" <hba...@gmail.com>
Dave wrote: ''I'm closing in on 1000 miles now (almost got the engine
broken in, YAY!!!), hundreds of that 2-up. Closest I've come to any kind
of incident was when I got cut off by a Harley rider. Haven't dropped
the bike, and don't intend to. Not saying it won't happen, but I have a
feeling I'll be as likely as anyone to break the odds.
bj...@webtv.net
Dave, getting ''cut off'' by a Harley, is hardly a problem. It is
getting ''cut off' by a 4 wheeled cage that could be a problem! heh-heh
Just kidding you.
But, how in the hell could you pissibly get cut off by another dang
Rider? Were ya'll riding together, like on a group ride???? Tell me
more. thanks, bjay-
Dave
bj...@webtv.net
Dave, getting ''cut off'' by a Harley, is hardly a problem. It is
getting ''cut off' by a 4 wheeled cage that could be a problem! heh-heh
Just kidding you.
But, how in the hell could you pissibly get cut off by another dang
Rider? Were ya'll riding together, like on a group ride???? Tell me
more. thanks, bjay-
(my reply)
Was cruising some back roads near my house, just for the heckuvit. The kind
that are marked 55MPH, but aren't on ANY map. :)
Was on the way home, on a long straight stretch, perfect visibility. I saw
two bikes approaching from a side street to my right. One was in front of
the other, not sure if they were riding together. They came to a stop sign.
The road I was on had no stop sign, so (in theory at least) I didn't even
need to slow down. They were the only other vehicles I'd seen in quite a
while, so I was watching the first one closely. Good thing. The front
rider on a Harley something or other appeared to lock eyes with me and then
pulled out right in front of me while I was doing about 60MPH. SHIT!!! By
reflex, I activated both brakes, hard. Managed to mostly stop before I
reached the middle of the intersection. The harley rider stopped also, in
the intersection (in my path). Was able to steer around him then. Waved at
him, and he waved back. No harm, no foul. -Dave
Scott
>Yeah, I'm surprised how much sun I've gotten already this year, just from
>short daytime rides. I wear a jacket usually, but it's mesh (and CE
>armored). So it only provides partial sun protection. Got to figure out a
>good solution for my eyes, eventually. Was thinking smoked shield, but plan
>to do some night-time riding, and don't want to have to carry an extra
>shield. But wearing sunglasses would be uncomfortable, with the helmet on.
"Would be"? Have you tried? I wear sunglasses under my full helmet, and it
is not the least bit uncomfortable. But the shades need to be comfortable
on their own to begin with.
-Scott
--
'73 CB450K
'82 CB900F (x2)
'04 FSC600 (SWMBO)
Howard Watson
wrote:
Getting hold of somebody's "waste" is just TOO freaking kinky for me,
whether riding or not!
Howard 2004 Vulcan 750
DoD #2245
"A zest for living must include a willingness to die."
R.A. Heinlein
Dean Hoffman
"Mike T." <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> Yeah, I'm surprised how much sun I've gotten already this year, just from
> short daytime rides. I wear a jacket usually, but it's mesh (and CE
> armored). So it only provides partial sun protection. Got to figure out a
> good solution for my eyes, eventually. Was thinking smoked shield, but plan
> to do some night-time riding, and don't want to have to carry an extra
> shield. But wearing sunglasses would be uncomfortable, with the helmet on.
> And I wouldn't ride without the helmet, even if that was allowed. -Dave
Caberg and Nolan make helmets with flip down sun shades. The
guy at Webbike World suggested using the tint screens made for car use.
Then there are these:
http://www.super-visor.com/ http://tinyurl.com/g3hcy
I've worn glasses most my life. My last couple helmets have been
flip ups. Before that I had Vetter helmets that were OK with glasses.
Dean
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Mike T.
> Caberg and Nolan make helmets with flip down sun shades.
You don't say? My wife has a really NICE Nolan helmet. I like it so much,
I was thinking of buying a Nolan brand for my next helmet anyway.
Interesting. -Dave
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
<dh0496@i*neb%&rsinvalid.com> wrote:
>In article <44983fdd$0$16357$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
> "Mike T." <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, I'm surprised how much sun I've gotten already this year, just from
>> short daytime rides. I wear a jacket usually, but it's mesh (and CE
>> armored). So it only provides partial sun protection. Got to figure out a
>> good solution for my eyes, eventually. Was thinking smoked shield, but plan
>> to do some night-time riding, and don't want to have to carry an extra
>> shield. But wearing sunglasses would be uncomfortable, with the helmet on.
>> And I wouldn't ride without the helmet, even if that was allowed. -Dave
>
> Caberg and Nolan make helmets with flip down sun shades.
And Schuberth.
The
>guy at Webbike World suggested using the tint screens made for car use.
>Then there are these:
> http://www.super-visor.com/ http://tinyurl.com/g3hcy
> I've worn glasses most my life. My last couple helmets have been
>flip ups. Before that I had Vetter helmets that were OK with glasses.
>
> Dean
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lub...@hotmail.com
> I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night (to avoid traffic).
> Might do that in a couple of months. Told the wife I need a pillow for my
> butt though. It gets sore after a couple of hours. I know 800 miles is a
> long way to ride in one shot. But I've done far more than that driving
> (cars, pickups), non-stop. I really think I can handle it, other than a
> REALLY sore butt. :) -Dave
Hmm... Let's see, a new rider, on a bike not designed for touring, at
night, for 800 miles? I'd seriously rethink that, if I were you. I
wouldn't do this myself, and I have quite a bit more riding experience
than you. Riding a bike for long distances is very, very different from
driving a car. You get much more tired, achy, cold, hungry, thirsty,
and distracted, and you make mistakes as a result.
On a bike the relationship between difficulty and distance isn't
linear. An 800 mile trip will be way more than 8 times harder than a
100 mile trip. The longest one-shot trip I took was from Rochester to
eastern Long Island, about 550-600 miles. I was riding a '97 VFR (a
bike much more suited to covering long distances than yours), during
the day, in great weather, and it was still a very draining trip. I
can't imagine having to do it at night and then tacking on an extra
200-250 miles at the end. What you're planning is much, much more
difficult than you think. Take a 200-300 mile trip first and see how
that feels. If you really absolutely have to travel 800 miles, split it
into 2 days with a comfortable hotel to stay in overnight, and whatever
you do, ride during the day. And budget for a serious deep-tissue
massage at the end.
-Gniewko
lub...@hotmail.com
> Got about 700 miles of actual experience now. Took my wife for a ride
> yesterday, about 20 miles of back roads, fastest was about 55MPH. Yeah, I
> know, bad idea and all that.
>
> I was surprised at how little difference there was, as opposed to riding
> alone. The bike was a little heavier. (obviously) But it was actually more
> stable, as it wasn't getting pushed around by the wind as much. Did lots of
> slow speed TIGHT turns, just to make sure I could. NO PROBLEM.
>
> It was the first time my wife had ever been on a motorcycle (even as a
> rider). It was awesome. I told her to lean with the bike and not put her
> feet down. We were fine. She loved it, although she was REALLY nervous at
> first (never been on a motorcycle before).
>
> 2-up is supposed to be something you do only after you are extremely
> experienced because it is so much harder, blah blah blah...
>
> Shit, I could probably pass the BRC course 2-up without losing any points.
> It's no big deal at all. It's just like trading up to a larger ride. Of
> course, my wife seems to be a GOOD passenger, so maybe that makes a
> difference? -Dave
A lot depends on the passenger. Light girls who cling to your back are
easy to carry as a pillion. 180 lbs guys who sit far back and lean away
from turns are much more difficult.
-Gniewko
lub...@hotmail.com
> BJayKana wrote:
> > no...@nohow.not> wrote:
> > I told her to lean with the bike
> > You should correct that, next time you ride. Tell her to be basically
> > like a sack of cement on the back - not actively attempting to lean with
> > or against - just sit there. It's best you do the leaning yourself and
> > at the times of your choosing and to the extent that you need to,
> > otherwise it introduces surprises and screws up your handling.
>
> Theoretically, that makes sense. Just leaning doesn't steer the bike,
> turning the handlebars in the opposite direction to the turn or
> counter-steering does. When the rider leans to one side or the other,
> he/she is in fact turning the bars slightly in the other direction,
> which leans the bike over into the turn.
At the risk of turning this into a steering thread... that's not really
100% correct. If it were, it would be impossible to make a motorcycle
turn when you're not holding the handlebars. But it definitely IS
possible.
-Gniewko
Turby
>I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night (to avoid traffic).
>Might do that in a couple of months. Told the wife I need a pillow for my
>butt though. It gets sore after a couple of hours. I know 800 miles is a
>long way to ride in one shot. But I've done far more than that driving
>(cars, pickups), non-stop. I really think I can handle it, other than a
>REALLY sore butt. :) -Dave
The type of bike will make the biggest difference in your success. I
don't recall what you're riding. I sure wouldn't reccommend it on a
sport bike.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
Mike T.
> 100% correct. If it were, it would be impossible to make a motorcycle
> turn when you're not holding the handlebars. But it definitely IS
> possible.
>
> -Gniewko
>
Yeah, I never quite got the counter-steering bit. In theory it makes sense
that if you turn the wheel left, the bike is going to lean to the right.
But I haven't found it necessary to do that. I can get the bike to lean at
any angle without actively adjusting the wheel position. -Dave
Cam Penner
@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, no...@nohow.not says...
> > At the risk of turning this into a steering thread... that's not really
> > 100% correct. If it were, it would be impossible to make a motorcycle
> > turn when you're not holding the handlebars. But it definitely IS
> > possible.
> >
>
> that if you turn the wheel left, the bike is going to lean to the right.
> But I haven't found it necessary to do that. I can get the bike to lean at
> any angle without actively adjusting the wheel position. -Dave
Learn ye the dark craft of the counter steering. The life
it saves will likely be yours.
--
Cam
'00 Sprint RS
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Dave wrote:
>> I'm thinking of riding solo 800 miles in one night
>
> Hmm... Let's see, a new rider, ... You get much more tired, achy,
> cold, hungry, thirsty, and distracted, and you make mistakes as a
> result.
How true. One night, at about 900 miles into a thousand mile day, I woke
up in the grass, southbound in the middle of the Y where I-4 splits from
I-95, south of Daytona. Still doing about 70, the bumpiness woke me up.
The road to my right looked closer, so I pulled it that way, and until I
got to the next exit, I wasn't sure where I was.
> The longest one-shot trip I took was from Rochester
So, hiya neighbor. Still in the Flower City? <g>
--
-bts
-Warning: I brake for lawn deer
lub...@hotmail.com
Well, that wasn't my point. Counter-steering definitely works, and it's
the fastest and most reliable way to make a motorcycle lean and turn.
But there ARE other ways of making a motorcycle turn, as anyone can
easily find out by trying to ride a motorcycle "with no hands". Those
other ways just aren't as quick or as reliable.
-Gniewko
lub...@hotmail.com
No, actually I never lived there. I live in NYC and rode to Rochester
for a conference. It's just that trip back was further than the trip
there, because on the way back I went past NYC and all the way out to
eastern Long Island.
The trip from NYC to Rochester was shorter but in some ways more
exciting. It rained and got cold, and my Aerostich suit leaked more
than I expected. It was still fun, though.
I didn't spend much time in Rochester, but I did like Dinosaur BBQ.
-Gniewko
Ken Abrams
<lub...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Mike T. wrote:
> > Yeah, I never quite got the counter-steering bit. In theory it makes
sense
> > that if you turn the wheel left, the bike is going to lean to the right.
> > But I haven't found it necessary to do that. I can get the bike to lean
at
> > any angle without actively adjusting the wheel position. -Dave
>
> Well, that wasn't my point. Counter-steering definitely works, and it's
> the fastest and most reliable way to make a motorcycle lean and turn.
> But there ARE other ways of making a motorcycle turn, as anyone can
> easily find out by trying to ride a motorcycle "with no hands". Those
> other ways just aren't as quick or as reliable.
>
> -Gniewko
>
What you are discussing is not really counter-steer, although that is the
term commonly used for "it". One really counter-steers only when the back
end is sliding out.
What you do on a 2-wheeler really is counter-pushing. Because of the force
vectors associated with the gyroscopic action of the front wheel, at speeds
above ~10mph, a small force applied in the forward direction on the bars
does not produce a turning of the wheel but instead results in the bike
leaning. This lean, in turn, causes the front wheel to turn toward the side
where the force is being applied. At this point, you maintain the push to
keep the wheel from turning too far and/or moderate the pressure to achieve
the desired amount of turn.
You probably are doing this unconsciously without even knowing it. It is
almost impossible to make a smooth, properly controlled turn without doing
it (unless you have an unnatural skill or LOTS of practice doing the
no-hands thing).
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
With the proper gear, any ride is fun. The 'stich should do that.
> I didn't spend much time in Rochester, but I did like Dinosaur BBQ.
Oh yes! Had some just last week.
lub...@hotmail.com
> What you are discussing is not really counter-steer, although that is the
> term commonly used for "it". One really counter-steers only when the back
> end is sliding out.
>
> What you do on a 2-wheeler really is counter-pushing.
Well, whatever you want to call it. But most motorcyclists know it as
counter-steering - push left to go left.
> Because of the force
> vectors associated with the gyroscopic action of the front wheel, at speeds
> above ~10mph, a small force applied in the forward direction on the bars
> does not produce a turning of the wheel but instead results in the bike
> leaning. This lean, in turn, causes the front wheel to turn toward the side
> where the force is being applied. At this point, you maintain the push to
> keep the wheel from turning too far and/or moderate the pressure to achieve
> the desired amount of turn.
Uh-oh... This IS turning into a steering thread after all...
Counter-steering (or counter-pushing, however you want to call it) has
very little to do with gyroscopic action. The bike leans not because of
any gyroscopic efffect, but simply because by pushing the left bar you
steer the front wheel out from under the bike to the right, and the
bike has no choice other than to lean.
If the gyroscopic effect really mattered, a racebike with super light
race wheels would be HARDER to turn at speed. But exactly the opposite
is true.
> You probably are doing this unconsciously without even knowing it.
No, I countersteer/counterpush consciously and I'm fully aware of it.
But, again, my point was that that's the BEST way to make a bike turn,
but not the ONLY way.
> It is
> almost impossible to make a smooth, properly controlled turn without doing
> it (unless you have an unnatural skill or LOTS of practice doing the
> no-hands thing).
Really? I find it pretty easy to take a relatively mild curve without
touching the handlebars. I wouldn't do it when I'm going fast, but when
you're going slow it's fun. Generations of kids on bicycles have been
doing the same thing for a looong time.
-Gniewko
Mike Young
news:1150940777.0...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
[counter-steering]
> If the gyroscopic effect really mattered, a racebike with super light
> race wheels would be HARDER to turn at speed. But exactly the opposite
> is true.
Lighter wheels have a smaller moment of inertia, and thus less angular
momentum. Steering at speed *should* be lighter than with heavier wheels.
The steering geometry on a sportbike is also different. Both effects combine
to make the sportbike's steering feel lighter (compared to other types of
bikes). Gyro forces are very real, and quite large at highway speed.
Anecdotally, the steering is stiffer the more fasterer you go. This is
consistent with increasing gyroscopic forces with increasing speed.
Mechanical trail, on the other hand, is related to frictional stiffness,
which reduces with higher speed.
lub...@hotmail.com
Yes, you're absolutely correct. The previous poster was saying that a
gyroscopic effect is what makes the bike turn, and my post was in
response to that. The gyroscopic effect resists the motorcycle leaning
over, it doesn't make it turn.
-Gniewko
Ken Abrams
<lub...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Yes, you're absolutely correct. The previous poster was saying that a
> gyroscopic effect is what makes the bike turn, and my post was in
> response to that. The gyroscopic effect resists the motorcycle leaning
> over, it doesn't make it turn.
>
I respect your right to be wrong.
The gyro effect resists any change of direction or attitude. When an
external force is applied, then it results in a reactive motion that is not
on the same plane as the applied force.
It is easier to see this with a "toy" gyroscope.
You apply a force on the horizontal plane and it causes a motion in the
vertical plane (lean).
You can believe what you want but, at speed, force applied to the bars does
NOT result in any movement of the wheel in that direction (OK, maybe a tiny
bit but it is insignificant to the overall result).
lub...@hotmail.com
I'm familiar with what gyroscopes do. Yes, it's true that when you
apply a twisting force to a rotating wheel in plane A, the wheel wants
to lean in plane B, where A and B are at 90 degrees to each other.
However, when you turn motorcycle handlebars you apply twisting force
to the front wheel not in a horizontal plane, but at an angle (because
the forks are at an angle - they're not vertical). But the bike still
leans in a vertical plane. The angle betwen the 2 planes is far from 90
degrees, so it's not the gyroscopic effect that makes the bike lean. Or
at least not JUST the gyroscopic effect.
When you turn the handlebars to, for example, the right (by pushing the
left bar forward), the front wheel DOES track out to the right side.
There is absolutely no question about it. You can easily see this on
your next ride: find an empty road with a line painted down the middle,
so you can have a reference point. Ride with your front wheel right on
the line and then do some small swerves - weave from left to right.
With the line for reference, you will plainly see that when you swerve,
the front wheel initially moves in the direction you're steering. This
out-tracking makes the bike lean to the opposite side, which then makes
the bike turn. Seriously, please try this on your next ride, and you'll
see that I'm right.
-Gniewko
Ken Abrams
<lub...@hotmail.com> wrote
> > The gyro effect resists any change of direction or attitude. When an
> > external force is applied, then it results in a reactive motion that is
not
> > on the same plane as the applied force.
> > It is easier to see this with a "toy" gyroscope.
> > You apply a force on the horizontal plane and it causes a motion in the
> > vertical plane (lean).
> > You can believe what you want but, at speed, force applied to the bars
does
> > NOT result in any movement of the wheel in that direction (OK, maybe a
tiny
> > bit but it is insignificant to the overall result).
>
> to the front wheel not in a horizontal plane, but at an angle (because
> the forks are at an angle - they're not vertical). But the bike still
> leans in a vertical plane. The angle betwen the 2 planes is far from 90
> degrees, so it's not the gyroscopic effect that makes the bike lean. Or
> at least not JUST the gyroscopic effect.
I'll try this one more time, and then I quit.
The force you exert against the bars is applied to the wheel AT THE HUB
which damn well better be horizontal when you are upright and traveling in a
straight line.
>
> When you turn the handlebars to, for example, the right (by pushing the
> left bar forward), the front wheel DOES track out to the right side.
> There is absolutely no question about it.
You're right, there is absolutely no question about it, on a single, normal,
non-panic turn (and not weaving because that involves some over-shoot) the
wheel does NOT turn in the direction that you are pushing, unless you are
also leaning the wrong way at the same time (which is what tends to happen
when you try to test this theory by weaving). Or to be more precise (like I
said before) any minute turn in the direction you are pushing does NOT have
any significant impact on the turn.
lub...@hotmail.com
>
> The force you exert against the bars is applied to the wheel AT THE HUB
> which damn well better be horizontal when you are upright and traveling in a
> straight line.
>
> >
> > When you turn the handlebars to, for example, the right (by pushing the
> > left bar forward), the front wheel DOES track out to the right side.
> > There is absolutely no question about it.
>
> You're right, there is absolutely no question about it, on a single, normal,
> non-panic turn (and not weaving because that involves some over-shoot) the
> wheel does NOT turn in the direction that you are pushing, unless you are
> also leaning the wrong way at the same time (which is what tends to happen
> when you try to test this theory by weaving). Or to be more precise (like I
> said before) any minute turn in the direction you are pushing does NOT have
> any significant impact on the turn.
Can you please just try what I suggested on your next ride? Ride along
a painted line in the road and push the left handlebar like you're
making a moderate turn. You'll see the following thing:
1. As soon as you push the left bar, the front wheel departs from
rolling along the line and moves to the right. That is, the point of
contact between the front tire and the ground moves from being right on
the line to somewhere right of the line.
2. The motorcycle leans to the left.
3. Once the motorcycle leans, the front tire's contact point moves back
to the left, and the motorcycle turns.
I'm enjoying this conversation, but please try this before we discuss
this further. Nothing beats an experiment for figuring things out. I've
done this many times, and what I described is exactly what happens.
-Gniewko
BJayKana
bj...@webtv.net
Not exactly like a sack,of,cement. heh-heh- I like mine to rub my back,
git' uh' hold of my waste, lean with me, rather than against me. (wink)
~actually come to think of it, I, sometimes dont remember shes riding
back there, hmmmmmmm,Bud,that's agood thang' eh?
Bjay,
Getting hold of somebody's "waste" is just TOO freaking kinky for me,
whether riding or not!
Howard 2004 Vulcan 750
DoD #2245
"A zest for living must include a willingness to die." R.A. Heinlein
bj...@webtv.net
My wife, Howard, my wife.
Does this explain the kinkyness.
Ken Abrams
<lub...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Can you please just try what I suggested on your next ride? Ride along
> a painted line in the road and push the left handlebar like you're
> making a moderate turn. You'll see the following thing:
>
> 1. As soon as you push the left bar, the front wheel departs from
> rolling along the line and moves to the right. That is, the point of
> contact between the front tire and the ground moves from being right on
> the line to somewhere right of the line.
>
> 2. The motorcycle leans to the left.
>
> 3. Once the motorcycle leans, the front tire's contact point moves back
> to the left, and the motorcycle turns.
>
> I'm enjoying this conversation,
I'm not. At this point, I have a strong inclination to say: "Fuck you, I've
done that thousands of times over my 40+ years of riding and I know what
happens." but since you are being civil, I won't. ;-)
I have said at least twice now that there is a VERY SLIGHT movement of the
wheel in the direction you are pushing. This initial VERY SLIGHT movement
is greater the slower you are going. Below about 10 mph, there is little or
no gyro effect and you will, in fact, turn in that direction. As you speed
up, this initial SLIGHT movement becomes less and less until it disappears
completely or becomes so small you can't observe it.
Your original contention was that this initial slight deviation from a
straight line is what causes the bike to lean and that is just absolutely
NOT true. No matter how much you want it to be true, it just isn't. Just
pulling some example numbers out of the nether regions, counter-pushing
and/or the rider leaning (which both apply a force vector to the front wheel
because of the gyro effect) is responsible for 99.993% of the turning and
the slight deviation from a straight line that you are harping about
contributes .007% to the turning action.
Here's a little test for you.
Do the test you described 3 times, once at 30 mph, once at 60 and again at
90.
Notice that the movement you are talking about decreases as the speed
increases.
At 90, I'll bet you can't see it at all but the bike will still turn.
Road Glidin' Don
wrote:
>bj...@webtv.net
>Not exactly like a sack,of,cement. heh-heh- I like mine to rub my back,
>git' uh' hold of my waste, lean with me, rather than against me. (wink)
>~actually come to think of it, I, sometimes dont remember shes riding
>back there, hmmmmmmm,Bud,that's agood thang' eh?
>
>Bjay,
>Getting hold of somebody's "waste" is just TOO freaking kinky for me,
>whether riding or not!
I dare you to say that to Bill Walker's face! ;)
--
Home page: http://xidos.ca/scripts/personal/
Howard Watson
wrote:
>
>
>
Hey, I've been married for 26 years and I STILL ain't holding her
WASTE and I KNOW she won't hold mine :)
(in case you still haven't gotten my bad joke, the spelling is waist,
waste refers to refuse, including bodily waste)
Howard 2004 Vulcan 750
DoD #2245
"A zest for living must include a willingness to die."
R.A. Heinlein
Howard Watson
Ewww,
And of course, this is even sillier coming from me, considering my
profession. : )
Howard 2004 Vulcan 750
DoD #2245
"A zest for living must include a willingness to die."
R.A. Heinlein
BJayKana
for me, whether riding or not!
bj...@webtv.net to Howard=
My wife, Howard, my wife.
Does this explain the kinkyness.
Howard says:
Bjay)=Hey, I've been married for 26 years and I STILL ain't holding
her WASTE and I KNOW she won't hold mine :)
(in case you still haven't gotten my bad joke, the spelling is waist,
waste refers to refuse, including bodily waste)
Howard)
2004 Vulcan 750
Bj...@webtv.net
Howard, silly me, man, I was wondering what the heck you were
insenuating.
You caught my Typo, error.
Now I git' er, and let me tell ya, I laffed my ass off (LOL) It twernt'
no bad joke!! =Thanks for the funny'un.
Cheers to ya', bjay=
Atticus Finch
> In article <Crclg.7462$lp....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
>
>> Got about 700 miles of actual experience now. Took my wife for a ride
>> yesterday, about 20 miles of back roads, fastest was about 55MPH. Yeah, I
>> know, bad idea and all that.
>>
>> I was surprised at how little difference there was, as opposed to riding
>> alone. The bike was a little heavier. (obviously) But it was actually more
>> stable, as it wasn't getting pushed around by the wind as much. Did lots of
>> slow speed TIGHT turns, just to make sure I could. NO PROBLEM.
>>
>> It was the first time my wife had ever been on a motorcycle (even as a
>> rider). It was awesome. I told her to lean with the bike and not put her
>> feet down. We were fine. She loved it, although she was REALLY nervous at
>> first (never been on a motorcycle before).
>>
>> 2-up is supposed to be something you do only after you are extremely
>> experienced because it is so much harder, blah blah blah...
>>
>> Shit, I could probably pass the BRC course 2-up without losing any points.
>> It's no big deal at all. It's just like trading up to a larger ride. Of
>> course, my wife seems to be a GOOD passenger, so maybe that makes a
>> difference? -Dave
>
> tried to get off while they were still moving. One ended up with a
> broken leg. I don't remember about the other.
That can happen to an experienced rider as well. A nervous passenger is
the worst any of us can have. Even a good passenger can mess up a ride
if they shift quickly (getting hit by a bee or something else to
distract them), but a good rider can compensate for it to a degree.
> Balance at low speeds will be different. Have you experienced gravel
> on pavement? I bet almost everyone who rides has dumped a bike because
> of it.
You'ld lose that bet. I've come close to dumping a bike because of
gravel, but have never dumped one. I've never dumped a bike on gravel
roads in the several thousands of miles I've done on gravel roads. Yes,
it's more difficult and can be a bit hairy, but it can be done and done
enjoyably.
> I put one foot down at a stop much of the time while riding solo.
> Two feet down every time 2 up. The passenger would have to shift only a
> little to change the balance at a stop.
> Overconfidence is a killer.
You should put down BOTH feet at a stop, solo or 2-up. It only takes a
small gust of wind to change the balance at a stop.