Motorcycles post-humans
Sean_Q_
on the future of planet Earth if humans abruptly vanished.
It's interesting to watch famous landmarks topple and the desert
around Phoenix revert to a meadow with teeming wildlife, etc
but there's a glaring omission.
What would happen to all the motorcycles?
AFTER 1 HOUR: not much change. The upside: no one's bike gets stolen.
AFTER 1 DAY: My S40's rear tire goes flat.
AFTER 1 MONTH: My S40's battery goes flat.
AFTER 1 YEAR: All my bikes are covered in fallen leaves.
In _Sleeper_ (1973) Woody Allen is cryo-frozen for 200 years.
Then he's revived and has some adventures with Diane Keaton
which include finding a VW Beetle hidden in a cave. Amazingly,
he starts the car and takes her for a ride... after two centuries
there's still gas in the tank and the battery is still charged
enough to start the car and the tires haven't rotten.
(Well it is sci-fi, and a comedy).
Imagine rows of Harleys parked outside the nearest dealer.
After 100 years they're covered in moss (if it's damp);
tires are shredding(?), the shiny bits are pitted and rusting...
Mebbe I'd better stop; the whole concept is too bleak.
SQ
MikeWhy
> In _Life After People_ the Discovery Channel series speculates
> on the future of planet Earth if humans abruptly vanished.
>
> Imagine rows of Harleys parked outside the nearest dealer.
> After 100 years they're covered in moss (if it's damp);
> tires are shredding(?), the shiny bits are pitted and rusting...
>
> Mebbe I'd better stop; the whole concept is too bleak.
The cockroaches and ankle biters won't care.
Datesfat Chicks
>
> After 100 years they're covered in moss (if it's damp);
> tires are shredding(?), the shiny bits are pitted and rusting...
I think in 100 years even the non-shiny bits would be gone.
I'm guessing all paint would be gone after 20 years of temperature and UV
exposure and then oxidation of the frame would begin. After the following
80 years, I don't think there would be a lot left.
Datesfat
Stupendous Man
> In _Life After People_ the Discovery Channel series speculates
> on the future of planet Earth if humans abruptly vanished.
Really a stupid promise for the show. All people dissapear, but animals and
plants are untouched?
If you want quality entertainment, watch South Park bash Harley-sheeple
tomorrow.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
Datesfat Chicks
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>
>
>> In _Life After People_ the Discovery Channel series speculates
>> on the future of planet Earth if humans abruptly vanished.
>
> Really a stupid promise for the show. All people dissapear, but animals
> and plants are untouched?
> If you want quality entertainment, watch South Park bash Harley-sheeple
> tomorrow.
Can you cite an episode? I don't have cable anymore and my TV receives 2
channels only. Maybe I could order the Netflix CD.
My favorite episodes of South Park (of the few I've seen are):
a)Go, God , Go (I think that was the title).
b)Grey Dawn (making fun of retirees).
c)Something with Harleys (waiting on more info from you ...)
Datesfat
Stupendous Man
> Really a stupid promise for the show.
"premise"
Stupendous Man
>> tomorrow.
>
> Can you cite an episode? I don't have cable anymore and my TV receives 2
> channels only. Maybe I could order the Netflix CD.
New one tonight
Miss Anne Thrope
rows of Harleys gathering moss at dealerships.
Vito
| After seeing HD's sales figures for last year, I'd say there are already
| rows of Harleys gathering moss at dealerships.
|
years ago. Starting about 1990, baby boomers began reaching the age where
earnings peak and mortgages and kids' tuitions get paid off - leaving them a
big jump in "disposable income". So many of them opted to "buy a harley and
become a biker" that the motor company couldn't supply enough bikes and
there were long waits. Well, now the dude who was 40 in 1990 is 60 and alot
less interested in buying a new $25,000 bike to ride to Daytona or Sturgis
so sales are falling. But many of these "yuppies" infected their kids with
the bike bug so, while those glory days may be over, Harley's future is
bright. It'll takes some dealers a while to realize that and begin cutting
prices, like in my 'good old days', but those who do will survive nicely
and those who don't will disappear.
Datesfat Chicks
Darn it, it will be at least a year before I can see it on DVD.
I'm gonna check and see if the cable network puts it on their site
somewhere.
Darn it darn it.
Datesfat
Shantideva Spirit
wrote:
> I'm gonna check and see if the cable network puts it on their site
> somewhere.
Fox had a blurb about the new episode, saying that it will be
"aired" (on cable)
tonight or Sunday, as I recall.
Their new episodes include the lingering ghost of Michael Jackson and
another episode in which the kids become pimps and try to get Acorn to
approve a home loan for them.
Datesfat Chicks
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That sounds merciless and irreverent. Too bad I'll miss it.
If Michael Jackson's ghost is somehow molesting children ... I'll be buying
a new TV and getting cable again.
Datesfat.
Shantideva Spirit
> Mebbe I'd better stop; the whole concept is too bleak.
Such thoughts of decay of material objects are especially disturbing
to those who cling to a false image of "self" as being defined by
their possessions.
You can pretty much tell which reekyites believe that their
motorcycles make them somehow "important", they list them ALL in their
signature file.
OTOH, I list NONE of mine. They just aren't all that important, except
as vehicles to transport my body and mind to serene places.
Those riders whose egos are really glued to their motorcycles often
complain bitterly about the onset of cold weather weather or
mechanical that problems preventing them from riding.
They need to go for a putt in order to relax from the pressures of
work or home life.
They try to clear their mind, but don't succeed, and then they turn
around and run back to their problems like an escaped tiger tunning
back to its cage for refuge.
Or, they run back to their keyboards and post a glowing "ride report"
and everyone who reads it is supposed to be somehow "impressed" by the
good fortune of the author of the glad tidings of their "Holy Ride".
Or they complain about minor dings and scratches and the inevitable
deterioration and aging of their motorcycle, instead of getting out
and wandering around amongst the wonders of nature and enjoying the
hidden harmony of chaos and the interactions of all the other beings
around them.
If I feel like starting up one of my motorcycles and riding it, that's
fine, if I don't feel like bothering with a motorcycle, I'll ride a
bicycle, or just go for a long walk.
As I stopped to rest and enjoy nature beside the bicycle path
yesterday a discordant being on a bicycle stopped and tried to attach
himself to me through various conversational gambits.
He told me that he didn't know anybody in the area and he wanted to
ride with me, wherever I was going.
I told him that I enjoyed riding alone and left him to his own devices
to amuse himself...
However, he did manage to distract my mind from the clarity that I'd
been trying to develop, leaving me with some of his own mind
pollution...
Critical readers are welcome to point out ironies in my remarks.
I have developed equanimity. My mind is settled and balanced.
In other words, I don't give a fuck.
turby
> on the future of planet Earth if humans abruptly vanished.
>
> What would happen to all the motorcycles?
>
> AFTER 1 HOUR: not much change. The upside: no one's bike gets stolen.
> AFTER 1 DAY: My S40's rear tire goes flat.
> AFTER 1 MONTH: My S40's battery goes flat.
> AFTER 1 YEAR: All my bikes are covered in fallen leaves.
There are motorcycles nearly 100 year old still running. (FAIK, there
may be some >100.) With proper storage, there's no reason they can't
last forever, with the exception of rubber decay. At any point in
time, there are many bikes up on blocks, covered and prepped for long
term storage. There may come a time when gasoline may not be readily
available, batteries may not fit, or tires and hoses may not be
available, but given that many manufacturers have been out of business
for more than 50 years but people still find ways to keep antique
machines running, I'll bet they'd last a lot longer than you think.
turby
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> "Sean_Q_" <no.s...@no.spam> wrote in messagenews:hcqi0h$uj6$1...@aioe.org...
Only if it's a Dodge. Seriously, haven't you ever seen a Model T drive
down the road? Do you think the frame and motor were entirely rebuilt
from scratch?
FWIW, there is an iron bridge in England over 230 years old, and there
are many iron buildings over 100 years old and still functioning. Do
you believe metal erodes like dirt - like the 5000 year old pyramids
in Egypt?
BrianNZ
>
> In other words, I don't give a fuck.
>
Your words have that effect on the majority of readers here?
You don't want to ride your bike (it's just transport) for the 'ride',
you don't want to read about people who do ride their bike, you don't
want to discuss motorcycle related problems.....why are you here?
Sean_Q_
> With proper storage, there's no reason they can't
> last forever... people still find ways to keep antique
> machines running, I'll bet they'd last a lot longer than you think.
However, the show's premise is that no people are left to maintain
our proud works, and it's surprising how quickly Nature reclaims
our cities and other infrastructure.
For me the most ominous problem is that as electricity fails,
the cooling pumps in nuclear power plants stop which puts
the installations at risk of explosion or meltdown, and the released
radiation threatens the remaining life of Earth.
At Chernobyl the problems began when the operators started some kind
of routine test. Disaster happened within 60 seconds.
Turn around, go back down,
Back the way you came
Babylon is laid to waste,
Egypt's buried in her shame
Their mighty men are beaten down,
Their kings have fallen in the ways
Oh God, the pride of man,
Broken in the dust again
-- Hamilton Camp (sung by Gordon Lightfoot)
SQ
Beav
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How much imagination would that require? A walk down the block today should
answer that question.
--
Beav
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Beav
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I'm sure if you try hard enough, you'll be able to find some kiddie porn
somewhere.
Beav
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If Harley keep lending money to people to buy bikes they can't afford, and
keep taking the hits when they default on ther loans, they'll sink like that
other unsinkable entity, the Titanic.
Beav
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Coz he's a wordy cunt who can't stop himself now that he's found the group.
J. Clarke
> turby wrote:
>
>> With proper storage, there's no reason they can't
>> last forever... people still find ways to keep antique
>> machines running, I'll bet they'd last a lot longer than you think.
>
> However, the show's premise is that no people are left to maintain
> our proud works, and it's surprising how quickly Nature reclaims
> our cities and other infrastructure.
>
> For me the most ominous problem is that as electricity fails,
> the cooling pumps in nuclear power plants stop which puts
> the installations at risk of explosion or meltdown, and the released
> radiation threatens the remaining life of Earth.
As long as the nuclear plant is running it has power for the cooling
pumps--that's basically a non-issue. But a scrammed reactor doesn't need to
be cooled indefinitely.
In any case all the reactors on earth melting down would not "threaten the
remaining life on Earth". The mutation rate might go up for a while though.
> At Chernobyl the problems began when the operators started some kind
> of routine test. Disaster happened within 60 seconds.
Actually, it was not "some kind of routine test". It was a non-routine test
and the first thing they did was turn off all the safety systems that would
have prevented the accident.
Sean_Q_
>> Mebbe I'd better stop; the whole concept is too bleak.
>
> Such thoughts of decay of material objects are especially disturbing
> to those who cling to a false image of "self" as being defined by
> their possessions.
Well we've got our motorcycles
And we're cruising through the hamburger stands now
We're groovin' on our motors and we really
Like to think it's all grand now
Then one day we top the high side and we wonder
Where we're all gonna land now
And we'll have fun fun fun
'Till the Buddha takes Illusion away...
Well you knew all along that the Buddha,
He was gettin' wise to you now
(You're shootin' the line now, you're shootin' the line)
And since he took your self-deception
You've been thinkin' that your fun is all through now
(You shouldn't have lied now, you shouldn't have lied)
But if you'll take the Middle Way then you'll find
That everything is so cool now
And you'll have fun fun fun
Now that Buddha took Illusion away...!
SQ
Shantideva Spirit
> You don't want to ride your bike (it's just transport) for the 'ride',
> you don't want to read about people who do ride their bike, you don't
> want to discuss motorcycle related problems.....
Ananda, this limited being has very little comprehension. He hails
from a distant land where the long white cloud sits upon the mountain
but does not annoy it. It seems that this limited being's teachers
have failed to teach him to read for understanding.
> why are you here?
Long ago, I cleared my mind and generated the boddhichitta motivation
to show all limited beings The Way.
Shantideva Spirit
> However, the show's premise is that no people are left to maintain
> our proud works, and it's surprising how quickly Nature reclaims
> our cities and other infrastructure.
You would probably enjoy reading a book called "Earth Abides" by an
author named George Stewart, as I recall.
In this story, most of the human race is wiped out by a plague, but a
few survive and try to maintain a semblance of civilization around the
San Francisco Bay.
The telling of the story never sinks to the "Mad Max", most of the
people remain
as basically decent as they lived before the plague.
I've read "Earth Abides" at least half a dozen times...
Shantideva Spirit
> Well you knew all along that the Buddha,
> He was gettin' wise to you now
> (You're shootin' the line now, you're shootin' the line)
> And since he took your self-deception
> You've been thinkin' that your fun is all through now
Hey, the beauty of Zen canyon carving is that you are mindful, you are
in the moment.
The downside is that canyon carving builds your ego and you start to
believe that you've got to keep doing it.
Eventually you lose mindfulness and then you crash, and the moment
catches up with you as you somersault down the pavement, watching the
sky and ground alternate in your view.
BrianNZ
> On Nov 4, 11:59 am, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> You don't want to ride your bike (it's just transport) for the 'ride',
>> you don't want to read about people who do ride their bike, you don't
>> want to discuss motorcycle related problems.....
>
> Ananda, this limited being has very little comprehension. He hails
> from a distant land where the long white cloud sits upon the mountain
> but does not annoy it. It seems that this limited being's teachers
> have failed to teach him to read for understanding.
>
Nice airy fairy way of saying nothing....again.....to a non-existant
'being'.?
>> why are you here?
>
> Long ago, I cleared my mind and generated the boddhichitta motivation
> to show all limited beings The Way.
>
>
>
No, all this spiritual bollocks youv'e been posting has only started
recently. Rather than make you seem wise, it has the opposite effect.
Your chances of showing anyone 'The Way' are on par with Henry's '911
Truth' conversion rate.
BrianNZ
Speaking for yourself? How many times has this happened to you?
83LowRider
"Datesfat Chicks" <datesfa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Darn it, it will be at least a year before I can see it on DVD.
>
> I'm gonna check and see if the cable network puts it on their site
> somewhere.
>
> Darn it darn it.
Watch any/every episode from the creators website.
BrianNZ
Still having reading comprehension problems then.? You do realise it's
just a story, not a prophecy?
Rob Kleinschmidt
> For me the most ominous problem is that as electricity fails,
> the cooling pumps in nuclear power plants stop which puts
> the installations at risk of explosion or meltdown, and the released
> radiation threatens the remaining life of Earth.
>
> At Chernobyl the problems began when the operators started some kind
> of routine test. Disaster happened within 60 seconds.
As I understood it, they were conducting a test of a
safety feature. It wasn't exactly routine and I think
they may have flunked. Spectacularly.
turby
> > With proper storage, there's no reason they can't
> > last forever... people still find ways to keep antique
> > machines running, I'll bet they'd last a lot longer than you think.
>
> However, the show's premise is that no people are left to maintain
> our proud works, and it's surprising how quickly Nature reclaims
> our cities and other infrastructure.
Some yes, others no. The Parthenon is still standing, 2500 years
later. Perhaps the best measure is Angkor Wat. It was buried in dense,
lush jungle for centuries with no upkeep, yet it is still in decent
shape. There are vehicles from WWII battles in the middle of the
Sahara. The metal is still viable, 60+ years and untold sand storms
later, with zero upkeep.
Stupendous Man
> If Michael Jackson's ghost is somehow molesting children ... I'll be
> buying
> a new TV and getting cable again.
That was a week or so ago.
Shantideva Spirit
> No, all this spiritual bollocks youv'e been posting has only started
> recently. Rather than make you seem wise, it has the opposite effect.
>
> Your chances of showing anyone 'The Way' are on par with Henry's '911
> Truth' conversion rate.
Oh, it would be just as well if you stopped replying to my posts. Then
I could devote more time to my own enlightenment.
Sean_Q_
> As long as the nuclear plant is running it has power for the cooling
> pumps--that's basically a non-issue.
For a while. However mechanical maintenance is required such as
replacing filters, cleaning pumps, checking shaft bearings etc.
> But a scrammed reactor doesn't need to
> be cooled indefinitely.
In the TV show, people have disappeared abruptly. Double-decker buses
crash into London monuments, pay phones dangle off-hook, cows don't
get milked, etc. I agree this is a highly unfeasible scenario,
unless aliens from Deep Space zap us all with lethal mind rays.
However, some warning, even short notice would probably give
the operators of these facilities time enough to shut them down
in a safe mode.
The Spanish flu killed 50(?) million in 1918-19. Given that some
ultra-plague comes along that targets all primates from lemurs
to homo sapiens then we'd maybe have at least a day or two.
SQ
J. Clarke
However most of the world does not have a climate like the Sahara and
motorcycles are not made out of 5 million tons of sandstone like Angkor.
I know where there's a Honda that has been sitting outside for 20 years in
the New England climate. I should take pictures and post them. It is not a
pretty sight.
And ultimately the Himalayas will be ground down to plains.
J. Clarke
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> As long as the nuclear plant is running it has power for the cooling
>> pumps--that's basically a non-issue.
>
> For a while. However mechanical maintenance is required such as
> replacing filters, cleaning pumps, checking shaft bearings etc.
>
>> But a scrammed reactor doesn't need to
>> be cooled indefinitely.
>
> In the TV show, people have disappeared abruptly. Double-decker buses
> crash into London monuments, pay phones dangle off-hook, cows don't
> get milked, etc. I agree this is a highly unfeasible scenario,
> unless aliens from Deep Space zap us all with lethal mind rays.
And an LEP check occurs, the reactor scrams, the backup generator starts, by
the time it runs out of fuel the reactor is down, cool, with the major
reaction products decayed, so no meltdown.
> However, some warning, even short notice would probably give
> the operators of these facilities time enough to shut them down
> in a safe mode.
They'll shut _themselves_ down. What went wrong at Three Mile Island was
that somebody _stopped_ the automatic shutdown. At Chernobyl the safeties
were turned off prior to the experiment and numerous warnings were ignored.
MikeWhy
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> Sean_Q_ wrote:
>> In the TV show, people have disappeared abruptly. Double-decker buses
>> crash into London monuments, pay phones dangle off-hook, cows don't
>> get milked, etc. I agree this is a highly unfeasible scenario,
>> unless aliens from Deep Space zap us all with lethal mind rays.
>
> And an LEP check occurs, the reactor scrams, the backup generator starts,
> by
> the time it runs out of fuel the reactor is down, cool, with the major
> reaction products decayed, so no meltdown.
>
>> However, some warning, even short notice would probably give
>> the operators of these facilities time enough to shut them down
>> in a safe mode.
>
> They'll shut _themselves_ down. What went wrong at Three Mile Island was
> that somebody _stopped_ the automatic shutdown. At Chernobyl the safeties
> were turned off prior to the experiment and numerous warnings were
> ignored.
It's a thankless job bringing reality to TV watchers or Reekyites. I pall at
the task of doing so for TV-watching Reekers. Some mountains are better left
unclimbed.
Sean_Q_
> And an LEP check occurs, the reactor scrams, the backup generator starts, by
> the time it runs out of fuel the reactor is down, cool, with the major
> reaction products decayed, so no meltdown....
> They'll shut _themselves_ down.
Ok. That's what's supposed to happen. That's not always what does happen
in the real world. Even when people are present. For instance
On July 4, 1961 Soviet sub K-19 developed a major leak in her reactor
coolant system, causing the water pressure in the aft reactor to drop
to zero and causing failure of the coolant pumps. The reactor
temperature rose uncontrollably, reaching 800 �C � almost the melting
point of the fuel rods � and the chain reactions continued despite
the control rods being inserted via a SCRAM mechanism. The reactor
continued to heat up as coolant is still required during shutdown
until the reactions decrease. [Wikipedia. Gotta love it.]
Of course, no one's ever said, "Hey, let's all just walk away from
this fully operational nuclear power plant and see what happens!"
Sometimes even the best computer models known to man can't predict
outcomes with 100% certainty because so often there's some X factor
that turns out to the critical condition. A colony of feral Quaker
parrots builds a nest on a telephone pole. Mice nibbled the wiring
insulation on German tanks stored in straw-lined revetments in Russia
causing short circuits when started up. Or the fail-safe mechanism
fails simply because it was untested, or at least never tested under
the conditions which turn out to occur.
Or management has an attitude. One time I had this difficult client;
I tried to notify him about possible failure modes of his product.
I didn't even get as far as suggesting some fault detection and
recovery methods, he didn't want to hear about it. "Quit being so
negative," he said. "Think positive!" I was nonplussed. Actually
this guy was famous around town here for driving his employees
and consultants crazy with frustration.
Now that I think of it -- remember that story by Ray Bradbury about
an automated house that fights a fire on its own: _There Will Come
Soft Rains_? The line I remember best is "But the fire was clever."
http://www.instructionalgames.com/lesson_plans/short_stories/there_will_come_soft_rains.htm
Anyway even with people present there are probably lots of
environmental time bombs lying around. For instance, local legend
has it that a barge carrying a rail tank car full of chlorine
for bleaching was being towed up the coast here to a pulp mill.
A storm came up, the barge capsized and the tank car plunged into
the depths, a deep trench between Texada Island the BC mainland.
This was before GPS. The tank car has never been found, let alone
recovered. So far no chlorine has come bubbling up, but who knows
when (or if) it ever will. Or how much dissolved oxygen there is
down there to rust the tank, or whether tidal currents are rocking
it back and forth on a sharp rock.
Some time ago the Vancouver Harbor Authority published an environmental
risk assessment report. I got hold of a copy and learned that there's
a major chlorine processing plant right near the Second Narrows Bridge.
Depending on wind conditions, a gas release from there could kill
thousands. And that's only a potential hazard; once the IOCO petroleum
refinery accidentally released a mass of hydrogen sulfide gas.
It drifted across Burrard inlet and caused a number of accidents
on the Barnet Highway as drivers succumbed. Fortunately there were
no fatalities (but plenty of lawsuits).
SQ
Vito
[ Oh, it would be just as well if you stopped replying to my posts. Then
[ I could devote more time to my own enlightenment.
Budda said that death is the ultimate enlightenment.
Vito
| And ultimately the Himalayas will be ground down to plains.
|
Shantideva Spirit
> Budda said that death is the ultimate enlightenment.
Actually, what he was saying in the Mahaparanirvana Sutra was,
"Anybody can become a buddha, but *be* all you can be, through my
teachings."
"Noble son, if one engages in the lakshana [or "ideation"?], the
Dharmadhatu, the Culmination of Knowing [nistha-jnana], Ultimate
Truth, Ultimate Emptiness with inferior insight [prajna], one will
attain the awakening of the sravakas; if with middle-grade insight,
[one will attain the awakening of the] pratyekabuddha, and if with Top-
Grade Insight, one will attain Unsurpassed Awakening."
http://www.nirvanasutra.net/nirvanasutraz36.htm
Master Kelsang Gyatso says that a dharma hearer (sravaka) has "small
enlightenment, a solitary conqueror (pratyekabuddha) has middling
enlightenment, but a buddha has great enlightenment.
A buddha's disciples do not want him to die and take his final leave
of his following, they want him to stay and continue to teach them how
to be the best humans they can be.
Each sincere disciple generates a boddhichitta motivation to remain
alive and work for the benefit of all suffering beings.
Although Gautama Buddha was the 4th recognized buddha, he says that
thousands of Buddhas have received great enlightenment before him.
Krakuchchanda, Kanakamunui, Kashyapa preceded him and Maitreya will be
the 5th buddha, who will turn the wheel in about 1000 years...
And there are a total of 28 recognized Buddhas in the Sangha.
Vito
[ Actually, what he was saying
Yawn ....
Zarathustra spent years in a cave atop a mountain and found the answer. He
hurried to town eager to share it and luckily found everybody there crowded
around a raised stage. Mounting the stage he began to explain the secrets
of the universe but he was soon hooted down by shouts of "Bring on the
jugglers".
You're having the same luck here.
Stephen Cowell
"Sean_Q_" <no....@no.spam> wrote
...
> For me the most ominous problem is that as electricity fails,
> the cooling pumps in nuclear power plants stop which puts
> the installations at risk of explosion or meltdown, and the released
> radiation threatens the remaining life of Earth.
Graphite-moderated reactors are very, very
deprecated. When all the water boils away
from a water-moderated reactor, the neutrons
speed up and no longer cause fission... self-
regulating design, IOW.
>
> At Chernobyl the problems began when the operators started some kind
> of routine test. Disaster happened within 60 seconds.
They were testing the ability of the winding down
turbines to shut down the plant, with no help from
the grid. This was never in the design of the plant...
they were looking for gravy and found shit.
__
Steve
.
Shantideva Spirit
> Zarathustra spent years in a cave atop a mountain and found the answer. He
> hurried to town eager to share it and luckily found everybody there crowded
> around a raised stage. Mounting the stage he began to explain the secrets
> of the universe but he was soon hooted down by shouts of "Bring on the
> jugglers".
>
> You're having the same luck here.
Yup. The pretense of the day is that they are all nuclear power plant
experts.
Sean_Q_
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caught the tug _Chieftain III_ of Wing Service Ltd. and her loaded
barge in Malaspina Strait en route from Squamish for
the MacMillan-Bloedel pulp mill at Powell River. The barge's
cargo consisted of 250 tons of liquid caustic soda in below-deck
tanks and four railway tank cars filled with deadly chlorine gas.
When the tug's master came on watch at about 5:45 on the morning
of February 19, he found the tug moving at a lower speed than
normal and, upon investigation, found that the barge had capsized.
Canadian and U.S. government vessels responded to the emergency
call from the tug. The location of the tug and overturned barge
off the north end of Texada Island was easily found, for the
caustic soda was continuously leaking from the barge's overflow
valve, turning the water a bright green for several miles.
The soda becomes harmless when mixed with enough water, but
the chlorine gas in the tank cars becomes potentially lethal
to both human and marine [life].
http://www.cimorelli.com/cgi-bin/magellanscripts/ship_bio1.asp?ShipName=Chieftain+Iii+%28tug%29
Date of accident, February 1975 obtained from here:
http://www.cimorelli.com/cgi-bin/magellanscripts/ship_dates_volume.asp?ShipName=Vt
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Photo of _Chieftain III_ docked at Campbell River, BC:
http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/123/6381/640/IMG_0627.jpg
SQ
Beav
"BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
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He'd need a mind first. Big stumbling block for this bloke.
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Beav
"Sean_Q_" <no....@no.spam> wrote in message news:hcso47$gb2$1...@aioe.org...
> turby wrote:
>
>> With proper storage, there's no reason they can't
>> last forever... people still find ways to keep antique
>> machines running, I'll bet they'd last a lot longer than you think.
>
> However, the show's premise is that no people are left to maintain
> our proud works, and it's surprising how quickly Nature reclaims
> our cities and other infrastructure.
>
> the cooling pumps in nuclear power plants stop which puts
> the installations at risk of explosion or meltdown, and the released
> radiation threatens the remaining life of Earth.
You thick fucker.
S'mee
Really so that explains your brain damage...the stupidity you got from
you mother. You were mindlessley rinding in a canyon on your schwinn
(nice jewish boys) stingray with the banana seat pointed verticle
(lubed I'm sure) for "better control" and blissfully, mindlessly
drifted off the road. ROTFLMAO