MC theft deterrent

[Ben Kaufman]

My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on another vehicle?
If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition cutoff is a
waste of time. Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment if rear
wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.

Ben

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

On May 10, 7:31 am, Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-

I know at least one person whose bike was taken for a joyride
by screwing with the ignition. Not to say that bikes don't also
disappear in the back of a van.

Seems like an accidental mace deployment could land you in
some amount of trouble if the bike was ever towed by the cops
or knocked over on the street. A loud alarm might be better.

[Ben Kaufman]

Forgot to include, loud motion sensor alarm.

[J. Clarke]

In article <n27oq796vd6vjkanh...@4ax.com>, spaXm-mXe-anXd-
paXy-500...@pobox.com says...

Friend of mine, ex CIA, had another solution.

One time I had lunch with him and when we came out of the restaurant his
car was gone. He reached in his pocket, pulled out a little black box,
flipped a couple of switches and pushed a button and it rained Dodge and
car thief for a bit.

[Ben Kaufman]

Jeez, the thief could have been driving past an innocent puppy dog when it
happend.

Ben

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

I use an armored cable lock onto a solid object for my Honda Elite and
Yammie TW200, since they are light enough that a couple of normal people
could lift them into the back of a van or pick-em-up truck. Yeah, I
know it would barely slow down professional moto thieves, but it should
stop amateur "thieves of opportunity". Fortunately, I live in BFE where
such thieves are rare.

The "Dullsville" is heavy enough that it would take two very powerful
persons to lift/balance, so I do not bother beyond the built-in steering
lock.

In a high-crime area, a Lojack type device should be considered (if the
police can be arsed to go after stolen motorcycles, that is).

And of course, insurance coverage for theft should be considered, unless
you are on a 20+ year old scooter or similar.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

[Bill Vanek]

On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:45:39 -0400, Ben Kaufman

<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 May 2012 17:21:06 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>In article <n27oq796vd6vjkanh...@4ax.com>, spaXm-mXe-anXd-
>>paXy-500...@pobox.com says...
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 May 2012 10:31:41 -0400, Ben Kaufman
>>> <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on another vehicle?
>>> >If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition cutoff is a
>>> >waste of time. Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment if rear
>>> >wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.
>>> >
>>> >Ben
>>>
>>> Forgot to include, loud motion sensor alarm.
>>
>>Friend of mine, ex CIA, had another solution.
>>
>>One time I had lunch with him and when we came out of the restaurant his
>>car was gone. He reached in his pocket, pulled out a little black box,
>>flipped a couple of switches and pushed a button and it rained Dodge and
>>car thief for a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>Jeez, the thief could have been driving past an innocent puppy dog when it
>happend.

It would have been an imaginary puppy dog, along with the story.

[CS]

"Ben Kaufman" wrote in message
news:msjnq7l789iaev923...@4ax.com...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I ride Jap bikes.

Parking next to Harleys seems to be an effective theft deterrent...for my
bike. :-)

Since none of my neighbors own a Harley, I do plan on installing an alarm.
I'm not too worried about theft, but sometimes I hear a thump or some such
noise outside after I've gone to bed, and I end up going to check.

I should know better, as I live in a very safe neighborhood, however I grew
up in a shithole where they'd steal the crack from your ass if you turned
your back.

Knowing that a shrill alarm will go crazy if somebody monkeys with my bike
will be just soothing enough to keep me in bed.

CS

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/10/2012 8:27 PM, CS wrote:
> "Ben Kaufman" wrote in message
> news:msjnq7l789iaev923...@4ax.com...
>
> My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on another
> vehicle?
> If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition cutoff
> is a
> waste of time. Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment if
> rear
> wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I ride Jap bikes.
>
> Parking next to Harleys seems to be an effective theft deterrent...for
> my bike. :-)
>

Heh.

> Since none of my neighbors own a Harley, I do plan on installing an
> alarm. I'm not too worried about theft, but sometimes I hear a thump or
> some such noise outside after I've gone to bed, and I end up going to
> check.
>

A lot of my neighbors own H-D's. I know, since they leave their garage
doors open, and I see the bikes in the garage (almost never see them
ridden).

> I should know better, as I live in a very safe neighborhood, however I
> grew up in a shithole where they'd steal the crack from your ass if you
> turned your back.
>

I live in a safe neighborhood; however, one night I was up a bit late
and saw a couple of skanks in an old beater minivan with out of county
plates driving around very slowly. When they saw that I saw them, they
left the neighborhood (only one way in and out by road) in a big hurry.
So the bikes stay in the locked garage when not being ridden.

> Knowing that a shrill alarm will go crazy if somebody monkeys with my
> bike will be just soothing enough to keep me in bed.

False car alarms were so common that most people ignore them. An alarm
that alerts you and lets you notify the police is better.

Weird - just as I was about to hit send, a car alarm went off. Of
course, I am not calling the police (unless it is to complain about the
nuisance noise).

[CS]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" wrote in message news:johs08$aic$1...@dont-email.me...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Fortunately car alarms aren't all that noisy here.

Even so, I plan on getting one either with a programmable siren or a light
output that can be connected to a 3rd party siren. That way I'll be able to
recognize it if it goes off.

Not a big fan of pager systems, mainly because I don't want to carry a big
ass remote around, nor do I want the complexity of a screen and a bunch of
buttons.

Usually an alarm is enough to send wannabe thieves scrambling, not because
they're afraid someone might call the cops, but because the owner might hear
it and beat their asses.

CS

[Robert Bolton]

I wonder if there's such a thing as a mini GPS device that's geared to let
you track it down?

--
Robert

[KKHS]

On May 10, 9:27 pm, "CS" <donts...@sears.com> wrote:
> "Ben Kaufman"  wrote in message
>
> news:msjnq7l789iaev923...@4ax.com...
>
> My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on another
> vehicle?
> If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition cutoff is
> a
> waste of time.  Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment if
> rear
> wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I ride Jap bikes.
>
> Parking next to Harleys seems to be an effective theft deterrent...for my
> bike. :-)

I have Harleys, but they are modified for performance rather than
bling, so I just park next to chromed-out, custom-painted hawgs and
have never had anyone mess with either of my H-Ds.

[KKHS]

On May 10, 10:02 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI

$southslope.net"> wrote:

> A lot of my neighbors own H-D's.  I know, since they leave their garage
> doors open, and I see the bikes in the garage (almost never see them
> ridden).

Shhhhh.... They are polishing them and waiting for me to buy them at
pennies on the dollar and ride them tens of thousands of miles (and to
get cited for Harley abuse by the posers).

[KKHS]

On May 10, 5:21 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarkeuse...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <n27oq796vd6vjkanhv6s51mgbpd2mfk...@4ax.com>, spaXm-mXe-anXd-
> paXy-5000-doll...@pobox.com says...

;-) This happens all the time, you know.

[Snag]

It's called lo-jack ...
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

[Vito]

A writer for a major MC rag heard his and ran down to the underground
garage to find two guys cutting the chain holding his bike to a post. He
confronted them then woke up in the ER. Hadn't noticed the third guy ....

[David T. Ashley]

They do make such devices. They push GPS data to the cellphone data
network, and you can look on your computer and see exactly where the
device is in real time. There is a monthly fee plus the cost of the
device.

They came up in a news piece not as theft deterrents, but in terms of
spousal spying. Apparently a fair number of guys who didn't trust
their wives were putting these in their wives' cars. Apparently such
intrusions are not illegal if the folks are married (or if the hubby
owns the car), and it was discussed in terms of stalking and in terms
of possible changes to the law.

The question is what to do with the data once you have it.

Some folks would just notify the police.

Some others (including a few who frequent this newsgroup) probably
wouldn't be happy until they've gone on a road trip with their .50
sniper rifle and night optics and wiped out the theives, their
families, and their domestic pets. And repossessed the bike, of
course.

DTA

[David T. Ashley]

Also:

http://www.realtrackgps.com/

and there are surely other services as well.

DTA

[Calgary (Don)]

Huh, and I rarely even lock my ignition.

--
Disclaimer
Do not believe a thing I have said, unless you already know it to be
true, or can independently verify it from another source.

See Ya On The Road

[CS]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" wrote in message news:johpih$vga$1...@dont-email.me...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Nice thing about the Valkyrie, if you aren't over 6' tall, you'll have real
issues trying to get it upright and in gear without having 900lbs of bike
falling over, likely on an important body part.

The Royal Star is the same for folks under around 5' 8"...and it looks like
shit, at least for now.

Lojack is a rip off. It works in certain areas, that's for sure, but what
happens when the cops roll up on a stolen vehicle, especially in Los
Angeles? They haul ass, run into stuff, run over stuff, and redline the
engine repeatedly. With the more glorious endings, the thief gets shot up.

So sure, you get your vehicle back, battered, bruised, beaten, engine
trashed, and possibly with bullet holes, blood, brains, and guts all over
it.

I fail to see the advantage here.

I have full coverage on the car, liability and uninsured motorist on the
bikes, and when renewal time comes I'm going to look into theft only
coverage, although I doubt they'll insure the bikes for any significant
amount that would allow me to buy a replacement.

CS

[High Plains Thumper]

David T. Ashley wrote:

> They do make such devices. They push GPS data to the cellphone data
> network, and you can look on your computer and see exactly where the
> device is in real time. There is a monthly fee plus the cost of the
> device.

What if you live in a place where that crime is so high, the police
don't respond because they consider your bike-jacking such a low
priority? (i.e., dealing with drugs, murder, domestic violence, child
molesting, etc.)

--
HPT

[Datesfat Chicks]

Well, as I pointed out in my earlier post, the location of the vehicle
is delivered directly to the customer (i.e. the bike owner), not to
the police.

How folks use the information will vary.

Some will report the location to the police.

Others may take matters into their own hands.

Police enthusiasm is not required. It depends on the individual.

DFC

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Well, if the engine cannot handle being run to redline repeatedly, it is
not worth much in the first place.

One would like to think that a few chop-shops might get broken up, but
for various reasons that is really too much to happen very often.

> So sure, you get your vehicle back, battered, bruised, beaten, engine
> trashed, and possibly with bullet holes, blood, brains, and guts all
> over it.
>
> I fail to see the advantage here.
>

One less scumbag on the streets?

> I have full coverage on the car, liability and uninsured motorist on the
> bikes, and when renewal time comes I'm going to look into theft only
> coverage, although I doubt they'll insure the bikes for any significant
> amount that would allow me to buy a replacement.

I have new replacement coverage at a reasonable price. Of course, with
multiple motorcycles, the coverage cost per bike goes down - adding full
coverage for my new Yammie TW200 raised my rates a whole $4 per year.
:) Living more than 4 hours from any city of more than a quarter of a
million people does not hurt either.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Move to some place better?

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/11/2012 8:34 AM, David T. Ashley wrote:
> Some others (including a few who frequent this newsgroup) probably
> wouldn't be happy until they've gone on a road trip with their .50
> sniper rifle and night optics and wiped out the theives, their
> families, and their domestic pets. And repossessed the bike, of
> course.

Always amazes me how people who post to various forums are so much more
talented, skilled, capable, etc than the average person. ;)

[CS]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" wrote in message news:jokija$ulv$1...@dont-email.me...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I was thinking about cars, but your right, I suppose a good motorcycle
engine should be able to handle redlining...however I want to be the one
doing the redlining.

I always like to see chop shops closed and scumbags off the streets, but in
LA? They're usually only "off the streets" for a few weeks at a time.

With only four years of riding I'm not sure I'd get as good a deal, though
my insurance did drop quite a bit after the third year. Hopefully that
continues, as I'm spending more money on making them pretty than before.

CS

[CS]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" wrote in message news:jokiq9$ulv$3...@dont-email.me...

On 5/11/2012 8:34 AM, David T. Ashley wrote:
> Some others (including a few who frequent this newsgroup) probably
> wouldn't be happy until they've gone on a road trip with their .50
> sniper rifle and night optics and wiped out the theives, their
> families, and their domestic pets. And repossessed the bike, of
> course.

Always amazes me how people who post to various forums are so much more
talented, skilled, capable, etc than the average person. ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You forgot better looking, stronger, tougher, better shots, built like a
donkey, and surrounded by disappointed suitors.

The internet is the one place filled with lovely people.

CS

[CS]

"Datesfat Chicks" wrote in message
news:frgrq79tp8g8v6f4j...@4ax.com...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Police enthusiasm is highly recommended.

Unless it's some sort of biker gang we're talking about, attempting to
recover something from thieves on their turf will usually end badly.

CS

[Dean Hoffman]

Garrison Keillor: Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are
strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above
average.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Well, I beat the hell out my 1994 Honda Civic Si, and at 160K miles it
still had good compression and no oil use, without the engine ever being
opened up. Banged into the rev limited a few thousand times at least.

> I always like to see chop shops closed and scumbags off the streets, but
> in LA? They're usually only "off the streets" for a few weeks at a time.
>

Yeah, the police have more important things to do, like harass people
conducting consensual free enterprise that the government does not
approve of.

> With only four years of riding I'm not sure I'd get as good a deal,
> though my insurance did drop quite a bit after the third year. Hopefully
> that continues, as I'm spending more money on making them pretty than
> before.

I just got back into riding last year. Of course, I am in about the
best demographic (other than not being married) for low insurance rates,
and live in a low property crime area (my auto insurance rates are about
half of what they were when I lived in the Chicago suburbs).

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Also, in the US and many other countries, being a vigilante is a crime
in and of itself.

No motorcycle is worth getting killed over.

[Snag]

Calgary (Don) wrote:
> On 10/05/2012 7:21 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> On 5/10/2012 9:31 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote:
>>> My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on
>>> another vehicle?
>>> If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition
>>> cutoff is a
>>> waste of time. Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment
>>> if rear
>>> wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.
>>
>> I use an armored cable lock onto a solid object for my Honda Elite
>> and Yammie TW200, since they are light enough that a couple of
>> normal people could lift them into the back of a van or pick-em-up
>> truck. Yeah, I know it would barely slow down professional moto
>> thieves, but it should stop amateur "thieves of opportunity".
>> Fortunately, I live in BFE where such thieves are rare.
>>
>> The "Dullsville" is heavy enough that it would take two very powerful
>> persons to lift/balance, so I do not bother beyond the built-in
>> steering lock.
>>
>> In a high-crime area, a Lojack type device should be considered (if
>> the police can be arsed to go after stolen motorcycles, that is).
>>
>> And of course, insurance coverage for theft should be considered,
>> unless you are on a 20+ year old scooter or similar.
>>
>
> Huh, and I rarely even lock my ignition.

Nor do I when at home , and I live in a fairly high crime area . Of course
it's inside a 6' privacy fence along with two *very* protective dogs ...

[The Older Gentleman]

CS <dont...@sears.com> wrote:

<Snip>

Most thiefproof bike I *ever* owned was the Jawa sidecar combo, on the
basis that the starting ritual was so odd that nobody unfamiliar with
the system would *ever* have figured it out.

All it needed was to turn on the fuel, ignition, tickle carb and kick,
but within two of those procedures lurked something *very* odd as
standard.

--
Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple Yamaha Tenere
Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2, GT500 x2
So many bikes, so little garage space....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com

[Calgary (Don)]

On 11/05/2012 10:28 PM, Snag wrote:
> Nor do I when at home , and I live in a fairly high crime area . Of course
> it's inside a 6' privacy fence along with two*very* protective dogs ...

And they are more effective than any alarm, cable or lock.

[High Plains Thumper]

Calgary (Don) wrote:
> Snag wrote:
>

>> Nor do I when at home , and I live in a fairly high crime area. Of

>> course it's inside a 6' privacy fence along with two *very*
>> protective dogs ...
>
> And they are more effective than any alarm, cable or lock.

True. Fence is basically out of site, out of mind. The dogs gets
neighbor's attention and no thief likes a slice (bite) taken out of them.

How are things in high crime Canada these days? :->

--
HPT

[The Older Gentleman]

WaIIy <WaIIy@(nft).invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 May 2012 08:14:36 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The
> Older Gentleman) wrote:
>
> >CS <dont...@sears.com> wrote:
> >
> ><Snip>
> >
> >Most thiefproof bike I *ever* owned was the Jawa sidecar combo, on the
> >basis that the starting ritual was so odd that nobody unfamiliar with
> >the system would *ever* have figured it out.
> >
> >All it needed was to turn on the fuel, ignition, tickle carb and kick,
> >but within two of those procedures lurked something *very* odd as
> >standard.
>

> Don't leave us in suspense.

Heh. Well, the first thing is that turning on the ignition switch on
those old Jawas dosn't activate the ignition. All the lights and
everything else comes active, *except* the ignition. It's the
'accessory' position.

Tu turn the ignition on, you then have to push the key downwards into
the lock.

Then there's no electric start. And there's no kickstarter on the
right-hand side of the engine. Nor on the left. All there is is the
(large) gear lever.

And the gear lever doubles as the kickstart. You push it in towards the
cases with your foot, rotate it backwards until it clicks into
'kickstart' position, kick it until it starts, and then flip it forward
again into 'gear lever mode'.

I figured that no thief in London would know these oddities and that the
combo was essentially thief-proof. Of course, having a machine that no
thief would *want* to steal was another matter.

--
Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple Yamaha Tenere
Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

On May 11, 6:23 pm, High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
> What if you live in a place where that crime is so high, the police
> don't respond because they consider your bike-jacking such a low
> priority? (i.e., dealing with drugs, murder, domestic violence, child
> molesting, etc.)

Move. Duhh !!! BTDT.

[Rob Kleinschmidt]

On May 12, 8:13 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older

Gentleman) wrote:

> Tu turn the ignition on, you then have to push the key downwards into
> the lock.

> And the gear lever doubles as the kickstart. You push it in towards the
> cases with your foot, rotate it backwards until it clicks into
> 'kickstart' position, kick it until it starts, and then flip it forward
> again into 'gear lever mode'.
>
> I figured that no thief in London would know these oddities and that the
> combo was essentially thief-proof. Of course, having a machine that no
> thief would *want* to steal was another matter.

Back in the day, it was kind of a given that any motorcycle
would start only for it's owner. Sometimes. On a good day.
After kicking him in the leg a few times.

[High Plains Thumper]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> I figured that no thief in London would know these oddities and that
> the combo was essentially thief-proof.

No intelligent thieves in London, or those that are, are into white
collar crime?

> Of course, having a machine that no thief would *want* to steal was
> another matter.

You have a point. That goes true for just about everything. The Jawa
would work well for those who live in downtown Los Angeles or Detroit.

It is a good reason to seek a motorcycle that does the job, but not as
popular to thievery; reduces "chop shop" (parts bike) value.

You're right, I don't know who would want a Jawa.

--
HPT

[The Older Gentleman]

High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > I figured that no thief in London would know these oddities and that
> > the combo was essentially thief-proof.
>
> No intelligent thieves in London

There's a difference between knowledge and intelligence. In this
instance, Jawa/CZ's unique starting system is something you either know
or you don't.

I reckon Einstein, assuming total ignorance of Jawas, would not have
decided that the gear lever was actually the magic starting device :-)

I still want another combo....

[High Plains Thumper]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> There's a difference between knowledge and intelligence. In this
> instance, Jawa/CZ's unique starting system is something you either
> know or you don't.
>
> I reckon Einstein, assuming total ignorance of Jawas, would not have
> decided that the gear lever was actually the magic starting device
> :-)
>
> I still want another combo....

The designer had a reason for it. Perhaps it was an attempt to overcome
patents and royalty payments, who knows.

Sounds like the Jawa was one of your favorites. That is a really unique
starting system, both electrically and mechanically.

Nothing wrong with a kick starter on smaller cc bikes. With the CB100
properly trimmed out and battery had enough juice to light off the
ignition, would start on the first or second kick, in any weather.

--
HPT

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Of course these days you can get EFI combined with a battery-less
system, e.g. Honda CRF450R and CRF250R. Unless you like to screw around
with carburetors for fun, and wait for the bike to warm up before riding
it, that is.

Link for the non-believers:
<http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2011models/2011-Honda-CRF250R.htm>

[Peter]

The Older Gentleman <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> I figured that no thief in London would know these oddities and that
>>> the combo was essentially thief-proof.
>>
>> No intelligent thieves in London
>
> There's a difference between knowledge and intelligence. In this
> instance, Jawa/CZ's unique starting system is something you either know
> or you don't.
>
> I reckon Einstein, assuming total ignorance of Jawas, would not have
> decided that the gear lever was actually the magic starting device :-)
>
> I still want another combo....

My guess is Einstein would have roll started it.
Okay, maybe not. ;-)

--
:-P

[The Older Gentleman]

High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>

> The designer had a reason for it. Perhaps it was an attempt to overcome
> patents and royalty payments, who knows.

Nah. I think Jawa just reckoned it was a neat idea.

Did I mention that the gear lever was also connected to the clutch? No,
I didn't.

When you took up pressure on the lever, it disengaged the clutch, so you
didn't need to use the clutch *at all* while in motion. Amazingly
complex and odd system.

Triumph had a similar arrangement in the 1950s/60s - they called it
Slickshift. But even Triumph didn't try making the gear lever the
kickstart as well.

[Calgary (Don)]

Livin on the edge!

Just got back from a ride to Rocky Mountain House. We stopped a few
times along the way and although I left all my gear laying on the seat
and the bike was unlocked, nothing got stolen. Worse yet when I got
home I noticed I forgot to lock my front door. Damn lucky in a high
crime area like mine my place was undisturbed.

Yeah it's tough living in this neighbourhood with all the dangerous
types that hang around here.

[David T. Ashley]

I believe you transposed the "men" and "women" description.

DTA

[Mark Olson]

On 05/14/2012 11:13 AM, David T. Ashley wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:24:13 -0500, Dean Hoffman

>> Garrison Keillor: Welcome to Lake Wobegon, where all the women are
>>strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above
>>average.
>
> I believe you transposed the "men" and "women" description.

Not a regular GK listener, I see.

[Ben Kaufman]

On Thu, 10 May 2012 20:21:19 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

>On 5/10/2012 9:31 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote:
>> My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on another vehicle?
>> If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition cutoff is a
>> waste of time. Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment if rear
>> wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.
>
>I use an armored cable lock onto a solid object for my Honda Elite and
>Yammie TW200, since they are light enough that a couple of normal people
>could lift them into the back of a van or pick-em-up truck. Yeah, I
>know it would barely slow down professional moto thieves, but it should
>stop amateur "thieves of opportunity". Fortunately, I live in BFE where
>such thieves are rare.
>
>The "Dullsville" is heavy enough that it would take two very powerful
>persons to lift/balance, so I do not bother beyond the built-in steering
>lock.
>
>In a high-crime area, a Lojack type device should be considered (if the
>police can be arsed to go after stolen motorcycles, that is).
>
>And of course, insurance coverage for theft should be considered, unless
>you are on a 20+ year old scooter or similar.

The alarm is for discount on theft insurance.

Ben

[Ben Kaufman]

I ordered a trunk monkey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeuLPH9An34&feature=related

[Fraser Johnston]

On 12/05/12 3:14 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> CS<dont...@sears.com> wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> Most thiefproof bike I *ever* owned was the Jawa sidecar combo, on the
> basis that the starting ritual was so odd that nobody unfamiliar with
> the system would *ever* have figured it out.
>
> All it needed was to turn on the fuel, ignition, tickle carb and kick,
> but within two of those procedures lurked something *very* odd as
> standard.
>

Using the gear lever as a kick starter. Odd.

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Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

On 11/05/12 5:21 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<n27oq796vd6vjkanh...@4ax.com>, spaXm-mXe-anXd-
> paXy-500...@pobox.com says...

>>
>> On Thu, 10 May 2012 10:31:41 -0400, Ben Kaufman
>> <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My perception is that most MC's are stolen by putting them on another vehicle?
>>> If that's the case then it seems to me like wiring in an ignition cutoff is a
>>> waste of time. Better to have both wheels locked and mace deployment if rear
>>> wheel is unweighted or bike stand access points are engaged.
>>>

>>> Ben
>>
>> Forgot to include, loud motion sensor alarm.
>
> Friend of mine, ex CIA, had another solution.
>
> One time I had lunch with him and when we came out of the restaurant his
> car was gone. He reached in his pocket, pulled out a little black box,
> flipped a couple of switches and pushed a button and it rained Dodge and
> car thief for a bit.
>
>
>
>
Bullshit.

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Fraser

[The Older Gentleman]

Fraser Johnston <fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> wrote:

> Using the gear lever as a kick starter. Odd.

Tell me about it.

It was not particularly good at either task.


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Kawasaki GTR1000 Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple

Yamaha Tenere Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2

[Fraser Johnston]

On 31/05/12 2:14 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Fraser Johnston<fra...@cjmanagement.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Using the gear lever as a kick starter. Odd.
>
> Tell me about it.
>
> It was not particularly good at either task.
>
>

Yeah. My brother in law has one and he said if I could work out how to
start it I would own it. I thought about googling it and annoying him
but just let him show me how. Quirky doesn't even begin to describe them.

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Fraser

[J. Clarke]

In article <a2oc52...@mid.individual.net>, fra...@cjmanagement.com.au
says...

More like birdshit--IIRC he used ammonium nitrate.