A trip to Europe
turby
wanted to do the West coast from John O'Groats to Gibraltar (via
Ireland,) hitting as many beaches and surf spots as possible. Lately
though, another way to do it occurred to me. I've started a
spreadsheet listing places and things to do. So far, some stuff on the
list are the Ace cafe, the Isle of Man races, Edinburgh Fringe Fest,
Tour de France, and so on. It could be a challenge, zig-zagging across
the continent to get to events, and some things won't be possible of
course. (For ex., Intermot isn't until November and Documenta isn't on
this year.) I have John Hermann's book - Motorcycle Journeys Through
the Alps, and Southern Italy, Corsica, Berlin, and Scandinavia all
have their attractions. Who knows how far I can go while the weather
is good and the money lasts?
It seems a tossup between buying a bike in Europe and selling it when
I leave, or shipping a bike over from California. I haven't decided
what bike I'll want, but a VStrom1000 is high on the list. Mebbe a
KTM990 or ? There is also the option of leaving it in Europe for
another time. I've found a couple of good resources:
www.AbleCargo.com is only a few miles from me and they ship bikes to
Europe.
www.Knopftours.com has US titled bikes for sale in Germany and will
store bikes.
I'm open to any suggestions.
doetnietcomputeren
> It seems a tossup between buying a bike in Europe and selling it when
> I leave, or shipping a bike over from California.
> I'm open to any suggestions.
Start with figuring out if you can get suitable insurance for either scenario.
--
Dnc
YTC#1
> I'm in the planning stages of a trip to Europe next year. I've always
> wanted to do the West coast from John O'Groats to Gibraltar (via
After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to Tarifa.
Much nicer place.
> Ireland,) hitting as many beaches and surf spots as possible. Lately
> though, another way to do it occurred to me. I've started a
> spreadsheet listing places and things to do. So far, some stuff on the
Delete the spread sheet now !
> list are the Ace cafe, the Isle of Man races, Edinburgh Fringe Fest,
Hmm, so you will go the IOM and sit around a few months waiting for the
Fringe, after having past Edinburgh going from John O'Groats
> Tour de France, and so on. It could be a challenge, zig-zagging across
Yes, very
> the continent to get to events, and some things won't be possible of
> course. (For ex., Intermot isn't until November and Documenta isn't on
> this year.) I have John Hermann's book - Motorcycle Journeys Through
> the Alps, and Southern Italy, Corsica, Berlin, and Scandinavia all
> have their attractions. Who knows how far I can go while the weather
> is good and the money lasts?
Well, weather is a pot shot and money disappears fast over here :-)
>
> It seems a tossup between buying a bike in Europe and selling it when
> I leave, or shipping a bike over from California. I haven't decided
Depends on how long you will be over for.
I used James Cargo to fly to New York in 2007 for a 3 month US trip.
That cost 1000ukp (one way). Quote for this year was 1300ukp.
http://www.jamescargo.com/
Go have a look at Horizons Unlimited http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/
The longer you are away, the cheaper it is to have your own
My little trip
http://www.ytc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/USA2007/USA2007.pdf
> what bike I'll want, but a VStrom1000 is high on the list. Mebbe a
> KTM990 or ? There is also the option of leaving it in Europe for
> another time. I've found a couple of good resources:
> www.AbleCargo.com is only a few miles from me and they ship bikes to
> Europe.
Ah, boat, *do no* use a sea route for your outgoing journey. There are
many tales ofpeople hanging around for weeks for the bike to arrive,
when it had not even left the port due to container not being full.
Fly out , ship back.
You can fly your bike on the same day as yourself.
> www.Knopftours.com has US titled bikes for sale in Germany and will
> store bikes.
>
> I'm open to any suggestions.
DYTIUTA ?
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Dave Emerson
"YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in message
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> turby wrote:
>> I'm in the planning stages of a trip to Europe next year. I'm open to any
>> suggestions.
>
> DYTIUTA ?
>
Are you recommending a stop-over in Portsmouth?
http://www.mocospace.com/dytiuta
--
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ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop
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Timo Geusch
> Ah, boat, *do no* use a sea route for your outgoing journey. There are
> many tales ofpeople hanging around for weeks for the bike to arrive,
> when it had not even left the port due to container not being full.
What he said, in spades. Someone shipped a 911 over from the US for some
classic long-distance rallye. They got to wave the other drivers bye-bye
and I don't think the 911 has put in an appearance yet. It's been
supposed to turn up any day now for quite a few days, if not weeks.
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The Older Gentleman
> I'm open to any suggestions.
We did this in reverse, in the US, decades ago. Asked someone in the US
to host us and we'd do vice versa. It worked. We're still friends, over
20 years later :-)
If you make it to London, I'll lend you a bike and show you some fun
time. Promise.
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Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes!
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
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YTC#1
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Ah, boat, *do no* use a sea route for your outgoing journey. There are
>> many tales ofpeople hanging around for weeks for the bike to arrive,
>> when it had not even left the port due to container not being full.
>
> What he said, in spades. Someone shipped a 911 over from the US for some
> classic long-distance rallye. They got to wave the other drivers bye-bye
> and I don't think the 911 has put in an appearance yet. It's been
> supposed to turn up any day now for quite a few days, if not weeks.
>
Yep, the 2 week to ship from NY to Liverpool, which didn't go to
Liverpool but London instead took 6 weeks.
Marc Gerges
None, really, but if you make it to Luxembourg, up for a ride and a
drink...
cu
.\\arc
YTC#1
> turby <keen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm open to any suggestions.
>
> We did this in reverse, in the US, decades ago. Asked someone in the US
> to host us and we'd do vice versa. It worked. We're still friends, over
> 20 years later :-)
>
> If you make it to London, I'll lend you a bike and show you some fun
> time. Promise.
>
At least wait until he has answered the DYTIUTA query :-)
Sean Hamerton
> My little triphttp://www.ytc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/USA2007/USA2007.pdf
Quite the adventure, it would seem!
--
SeanH - '01 Fazer 600 in black | '97 GSX-R 750 SRAD.
Stupendous Man
My last trip to Europe centered around visiting vehicle and tech museums, as
i have done the castles and battlefields thing before.
don (Calgary)
wrote:
I don't have any suggestions but it sounds like an amazing journey and
I am jealous.
Take lots of pictures.
turby
> turby wrote:
> > I'm in the planning stages of a trip to Europe next year. I've always
> > wanted to do the West coast from John O'Groats to Gibraltar (via
>
> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to Tarifa.
> Much nicer place.
Ta.
> > Ireland,) hitting as many beaches and surf spots as possible. Lately
> > though, another way to do it occurred to me. I've started a
> > spreadsheet listing places and things to do. So far, some stuff on the
>
> Delete the spread sheet now !
Hey, it's just a list. I have no obligation to follow it. But with my
geezer brain, I might forget that there's a bikini contest next week
in Cannes.
> > list are the Ace cafe, the Isle of Man races, Edinburgh Fringe Fest,
>
> Hmm, so you will go the IOM and sit around a few months waiting for the
> Fringe, after having past Edinburgh going from John O'Groats
That's why the calendar - to see that I could be hanging out at the
Palermo pizza fest in the meantime.
> > Tour de France, and so on. It could be a challenge, zig-zagging across
>
> Yes, very
>
> > the continent to get to events, and some things won't be possible of
> > course. (For ex., Intermot isn't until November and Documenta isn't on
> > this year.) I have John Hermann's book - Motorcycle Journeys Through
> > the Alps, and Southern Italy, Corsica, Berlin, and Scandinavia all
> > have their attractions. Who knows how far I can go while the weather
> > is good and the money lasts?
>
> Well, weather is a pot shot and money disappears fast over here :-)
>
>
>
> > It seems a tossup between buying a bike in Europe and selling it when
> > I leave, or shipping a bike over from California. I haven't decided
>
> Depends on how long you will be over for.
I think prolly 2-4 months.
> I used James Cargo to fly to New York in 2007 for a 3 month US trip.
> That cost 1000ukp (one way). Quote for this year was 1300ukp.http://www.jamescargo.com/
>
> Go have a look at Horizons Unlimitedhttp://www.horizonsunlimited.com/
Ta.
> The longer you are away, the cheaper it is to have your own
>
> My little triphttp://www.ytc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/USA2007/USA2007.pdf
>
> > what bike I'll want, but a VStrom1000 is high on the list. Mebbe a
> > KTM990 or ? There is also the option of leaving it in Europe for
> > another time. I've found a couple of good resources:
> >www.AbleCargo.comis only a few miles from me and they ship bikes to
> > Europe.
>
> Ah, boat, *do no* use a sea route for your outgoing journey. There are
> many tales ofpeople hanging around for weeks for the bike to arrive,
> when it had not even left the port due to container not being full.
>
> Fly out , ship back.
>
> You can fly your bike on the same day as yourself.
I'd heard that, but the senility again... Thanks for reminding me.
> >www.Knopftours.comhas US titled bikes for sale in Germany and will
> > store bikes.
>
> > I'm open to any suggestions.
>
> DYTIUTA ?
>
Say what? If that means what I think it means, you sir, are a rude
bastard. Especially when I read your sig and think you just might be a
proud Brit. But then it occurs to me you could still be on topic, in
which case I should explain - my ST1300 has a comfy saddle. Any
motorcycle I ride will have to be comfy enough for several all-day
rides in a row. I have no time or patience for sore butts.
FWIW, I lived in Berlin for 4 years, London for 6 months, and Norway
for 4 months, but that was all >30 years ago. I had a BSA Thunderbolt
for a while back then.
turby
Thanks. I have the feeling this trip will entail bopping around the
countryside for a few days, then absorbing a bit of city culture,
rinse & repeat often.
YTC#1
Wait 'till you see the next one :-)
(10 months to go and counting...)
YTC#1
> On Nov 26, 12:11 pm, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>> turby wrote:
>>> I'm in the planning stages of a trip to Europe next year. I've always
>>> wanted to do the West coast from John O'Groats to Gibraltar (via
>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to Tarifa.
>> Much nicer place.
>
> Ta.
>
>>> Ireland,) hitting as many beaches and surf spots as possible. Lately
>>> though, another way to do it occurred to me. I've started a
>>> spreadsheet listing places and things to do. So far, some stuff on the
>> Delete the spread sheet now !
>
> Hey, it's just a list. I have no obligation to follow it. But with my
> geezer brain, I might forget that there's a bikini contest next week
> in Cannes.
I find that over planning can get tedious, try not to plan too much, but
have ideas of what you would like to do.
We only went to Sturgis because we realised one day it fitted in with
our general plans.
>
>>> list are the Ace cafe, the Isle of Man races, Edinburgh Fringe Fest,
>> Hmm, so you will go the IOM and sit around a few months waiting for the
>> Fringe, after having past Edinburgh going from John O'Groats
>
> That's why the calendar - to see that I could be hanging out at the
> Palermo pizza fest in the meantime.
>
>>> Tour de France, and so on. It could be a challenge, zig-zagging across
>> Yes, very
>>
>>> the continent to get to events, and some things won't be possible of
>>> course. (For ex., Intermot isn't until November and Documenta isn't on
>>> this year.) I have John Hermann's book - Motorcycle Journeys Through
>>> the Alps, and Southern Italy, Corsica, Berlin, and Scandinavia all
>>> have their attractions. Who knows how far I can go while the weather
>>> is good and the money lasts?
>> Well, weather is a pot shot and money disappears fast over here :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>> It seems a tossup between buying a bike in Europe and selling it when
>>> I leave, or shipping a bike over from California. I haven't decided
>> Depends on how long you will be over for.
>
> I think prolly 2-4 months.
>
Fly your own over then. Unless it is a HD as there are more bends over
here :-)
(Ok, you do have some nice bendy roads, and I think I found most of them
:-) )
>> I used James Cargo to fly to New York in 2007 for a 3 month US trip.
>> That cost 1000ukp (one way). Quote for this year was 1300ukp.http://www.jamescargo.com/
>>
>> Go have a look at Horizons Unlimitedhttp://www.horizonsunlimited.com/
>
> Ta.
>
>> The longer you are away, the cheaper it is to have your own
>>
>> My little triphttp://www.ytc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/USA2007/USA2007.pdf
>>
>>> what bike I'll want, but a VStrom1000 is high on the list. Mebbe a
>>> KTM990 or ? There is also the option of leaving it in Europe for
>>> another time. I've found a couple of good resources:
>>> www.AbleCargo.comis only a few miles from me and they ship bikes to
>>> Europe.
>> Ah, boat, *do no* use a sea route for your outgoing journey. There are
>> many tales ofpeople hanging around for weeks for the bike to arrive,
>> when it had not even left the port due to container not being full.
>>
>> Fly out , ship back.
>>
>> You can fly your bike on the same day as yourself.
>
> I'd heard that, but the senility again... Thanks for reminding me.
Try and find an agent that does the crating for you, saves taking the
wheels off etc. We were able to un-crate at JFK and ride out.
>
>>> www.Knopftours.comhas US titled bikes for sale in Germany and will
>>> store bikes.
>>> I'm open to any suggestions.
>> DYTIUTA ?
>>
> Say what? If that means what I think it means, you sir, are a rude
You asked for suggestions, it would have been rude not to enguire :-)
> bastard. Especially when I read your sig and think you just might be a
> proud Brit. But then it occurs to me you could still be on topic, in
> which case I should explain - my ST1300 has a comfy saddle. Any
> motorcycle I ride will have to be comfy enough for several all-day
> rides in a row. I have no time or patience for sore butts.
>
> FWIW, I lived in Berlin for 4 years, London for 6 months, and Norway
> for 4 months, but that was all >30 years ago. I had a BSA Thunderbolt
> for a while back then.
Norway... cool... I love Norway, Scotland on steroids .
Paul Carmichael
> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to Tarifa.
> Much nicer place.
But if he insists on going there, best avoid wearing a yellow and red
striped swimming cozzy.
--
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CBR1100XX SuperBlackbird (Buen mueble de patio), Orbea Dakar
BOTAFOT #4 BOTAFOF #30 MRO #24 OMF #15 UKRMMA #30
http://paulcarmichael.org/ (content pending)
CT
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>
> > After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
> > Tarifa. Much nicer place.
>
> But if he insists on going there, best avoid wearing a yellow and red
> striped swimming cozzy.
heh
--
Chris
Nige
"Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>
>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>> Tarifa.
>> Much nicer place.
It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>
> But if he insists on going there, best avoid wearing a yellow and red
> striped swimming cozzy.
Why?
Ace
<nigel.in...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>"Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>>
>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>> Tarifa.
>>> Much nicer place.
>> But if he insists on going there, best avoid wearing a yellow and red
>> striped swimming cozzy.
>
>Why?
Read the news. Grep for gibraltar.
Nige
>
>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>> Tarifa.
>> Much nicer place.
>
> But if he insists on going there, best avoid wearing a yellow and red
> striped swimming cozzy.
aaah, i see, you meant Gib :)
Nige
"Ace" <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote in message
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Got it, i thought he meant Tarifa!
Andy Bonwick
<nigel.in...@btinternet.com> wrote:
It's like wearing a black wetsuit and swimming with sharks only
instead of being eaten the RN blow you to pieces.
sweller
> If you make it to London, I'll lend you a bike and show you some fun
> time. Promise.
"I love you long time"
--
Simon
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed
Ten dorrah?
--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"
can you see the light of need shinin' in my eye?
Nige
"Ben" <b...@bensalesDOTME.uk> wrote in message
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Or a free ride when you've already paid?
CT
> "Ben" <b...@bensalesDOTME.uk> wrote in message
> >
>
> Or a free ride when you've already paid?
<mode=Ed Byrne>
"The only ironic thing about that song is it's called 'Ironic' and it's
written by a woman who doesn't know what irony is. That's quite ironic."
</mode>
--
Chris
Dave Emerson
"Wicked Uncle Nigel" <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller
> <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed
>>The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>
>>> If you make it to London, I'll lend you a bike and show you some fun
>>> time. Promise.
>>
>>"I love you long time"
>
> Ten dorrah?
<loop warning>
DYTIUTA?
</lw>
petrolcan
Nigel says...
>
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller
> <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed
> >The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >
> >> If you make it to London, I'll lend you a bike and show you some fun
> >> time. Promise.
> >
> >"I love you long time"
>
> Ten dorrah?
SOLD!
Jim
> <mode=Ed Byrne>
>
> "The only ironic thing about that song is it's called 'Ironic' and it's
> written by a woman who doesn't know what irony is. That's quite ironic."
>
> </mode>
I have come to the conclusion that there is far more debate about that
song than it really deserves.
YTC#1
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>
>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to Tarifa.
>> Much nicer place.
>
> But if he insists on going there, best avoid wearing a yellow and red
> striped swimming cozzy.
>
<G>
โอม มณี ปัทเม หุม
> turby wrote:
> > I'm in the planning stages of a trip to Europe next year. I've always
> > wanted to do the West coast from John O'Groats to Gibraltar (via
>
Queener? Definitely.
Rafael Behringer
Says the frustrated, closeted homosexual.
--
RafB
sweller
> > >> If you make it to London, I'll lend you a bike and show you some
> > fun >> time. Promise.
> > >
> > > "I love you long time"
> >
> > Ten dorrah?
>
> SOLD!
Never buy in the dark.
--
Simon
YTC#1
> "Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>>
>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>> Tarifa.
>>> Much nicer place.
>
> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>
Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
'Hog
> Nige wrote:
>> "Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>>>
>>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>>> Tarifa.
>>>> Much nicer place.
>>
>> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>>
> Not on a bike it isn't
> Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
So where is the next expedition to then Bruce?
--
'Hog
'06 ST4-S
'96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400
'81 R65 Outfit
CO2-A load of hot air
Nige
"YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Nige wrote:
>> "Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>>>
>>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>>> Tarifa.
>>>> Much nicer place.
>>
>> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>>
> Not on a bike it isn't
> Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
Mid summer in a car.....
S'mee
Wot? You don't bring your own bag?
YTC#1
> YTC#1 wrote:
>> Nige wrote:
>>> "Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>>>>
>>>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>>>> Tarifa.
>>>>> Much nicer place.
>>> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>>>
>> Not on a bike it isn't
>> Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
>
> So where is the next expedition to then Bruce?
>
Apart from the next UKRM French trip ?
Something like this
http://www.quikmaps.com/show/91656
YTC#1
turby
> 'Hog wrote:
> >
> > So where is the next expedition to then Bruce?
>
> Apart from the next UKRM French trip ?
>
> Something like this
>
> http://www.quikmaps.com/show/91656
Nice.
What's wrong with Honduras? Last I heard it wasn't _that_
problematical.
As for the Darian Gap, a friend just shipped his bike from California
to Peru because the cost of getting it across the Gap from Panama was
so expensive.
turby
>
> I find that over planning can get tedious, try not to plan too much, but
> have ideas of what you would like to do.
Fer sure.
But I'm usually guilty of the other extreme. I've done several major
trips where I had no idea where I was going, how I was going to get
there, or what I would see when I did. Serendipity happens, as when I
chanced on the massive Rath Yatra festival in Puri, India, which is
where the word "juggernaut' originated, but I'd like to be a little
better prepared this time.
S'mee
> Nige wrote:
> > "YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:yvVPm.61823$J94....@newsfe24.ams2...
> >> Nige wrote:
> >>>news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribió:
>
> >>>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
> >>>>> Tarifa.
> >>>>> Much nicer place.
> >>> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>
> >> Not on a bike it isn't
> >> Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
>
> > Mid summer in a car.....
>
> Going any where nice ?
Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
a desire to go to France...now Spain otoh. Spain I could do. 8^) I
like amontiadllo more than burgandy. 8^)
Twibil
>
>
> Must be something severly wrong with me...
Yes, we know!
> I've never ever really had
> a desire to go to France...now Spain otoh. Spain I could do.
Bull.
YTC#1
> On Nov 28, 1:09 pm, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>> 'Hog wrote:
>>> So where is the next expedition to then Bruce?
>> Apart from the next UKRM French trip ?
>>
>> Something like this
>>
>> http://www.quikmaps.com/show/91656
>
> Nice.
>
> What's wrong with Honduras? Last I heard it wasn't _that_
> problematical.
A bit of a personal joke.
a) Every thing I read about it seems to point at shite boarder crossings
and it being a shite country
b) If you look at the map, its not exactly easy to bypass without a boat :-)
>
> As for the Darian Gap, a friend just shipped his bike from California
> to Peru because the cost of getting it across the Gap from Panama was
> so expensive.
Wuss !
He may as well just fly it to Santiago and go to TDF from there.
YTC#1
> On Nov 28, 2:09 pm, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>> Nige wrote:
>>> "YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:yvVPm.61823$J94....@newsfe24.ams2...
>>>> Nige wrote:
>>>>> "Paul Carmichael" <wibbleypa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>>>>>> Tarifa.
>>>>>>> Much nicer place.
>>>>> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>>>> Not on a bike it isn't
>>>> Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
>>> Mid summer in a car.....
>> Going any where nice ?
>
> Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
> a desire to go to France...now Spain otoh. Spain I could do. 8^) I
> like amontiadllo more than burgandy. 8^)
--
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> > As for the Darian Gap, a friend just shipped his bike from California
> > to Peru because the cost of getting it across the Gap from Panama was
> > so expensive.
>
> Wuss !
>
> He may as well just fly it to Santiago and go to TDF from there.
Heh. I think getting a road bike across the Darien Gap would be
interesting. Am I right in thinking there are basically no roads at all?
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Pip
Older Gentleman says...
> Heh. I think getting a road bike across the Darien Gap would be
> interesting. Am I right in thinking there are basically no roads at all?
Where interesting = impossible. Apparently it consists of a combination
of marsh and swamp (!) and no, there's no road at all. It is wet, muddy
and you'd have to contend with all sorts of lurgies, indigenous peoples
and rebel terrorists. There isn't a road because it has already
swallowed several attempts, summing millions of dollars, the greenies
won't let 'em, the loacals don't want it - and it is a natural barrier
to the spread of foot and mouth accessing Central America.
The gap may only be ~60 miles in a straight line, but there's accounts
of well-organised, well-funded expeditions taking months and months to
travel 100 miles, cheating by using boats along rivers. The first
alleged crossing was by one John Blashford-Snell, explorer and
eccentric, who took several months to cross The Gap and used boats (and
the British Army) in any case. General Motors tried and failed, with a
bulldozer supporting, FFS.
Get Bonwick to take it on, is my advice. On a Rokon, with a time limit
of six weeks.
--
Pip, the "Mechanical Nightmare" (tm Bonwick Major)
YTC#1
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> As for the Darian Gap, a friend just shipped his bike from California
>>> to Peru because the cost of getting it across the Gap from Panama was
>>> so expensive.
>> Wuss !
>>
>> He may as well just fly it to Santiago and go to TDF from there.
>
> Heh. I think getting a road bike across the Darien Gap would be
> interesting. Am I right in thinking there are basically no roads at all?
>
>
Yep, Panama prefer to have a natural barrier between them and Columbia.
IIRC, at least 3 adventure types have done the crossing. 1 guy twice
http://www.motivation-tools.com/adventures/darien_gap.htm
'Hog
> 'Hog wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>> Nige wrote:
>>>> "Paul Carmichael" <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7n9mo2F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:11:44 +0000, YTC#1 escribi�:
>>>>>
>>>>>> After seeing the shit hole that Gib is, go round the corner to
>>>>>> Tarifa.
>>>>>> Much nicer place.
>>>> It is indeed, a right cunt to park though.
>>>>
>>> Not on a bike it isn't
>>> Plenty of small parking spots near the ferry.
>>
>> So where is the next expedition to then Bruce?
>>
>
> Apart from the next UKRM French trip ?
>
> Something like this
>
> http://www.quikmaps.com/show/91656
Yoikes!! that's very impressive.
--�
'Hog
CO2 - Just hot air
YTC#1
Say that again when we get back :-)
Dave Emerson
> 'Hog wrote:
>> Yoikes!! that's very impressive.
>>
>
> Say that again when we get back :-)
>
Much like the trip my mate Will went on...
http://www.wrongwayround.com/route.htm
Unfortunately it all went wrong when he crashed, face-first, in Bolivia and
had to be medivac'd home.
S'mee
> > Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
>
> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
>
<sigh, sob> oh well. At least there's plenty of sun and good food in
Jerexes, decent and the drink is palatable...unlike that french
dreck. ;^)
--
Keith
yeah it's ugly but it still runs.
YTC#1
> On Nov 29, 4:46 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
>> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
>>
>
> <sigh, sob> oh well. At least there's plenty of sun and good food in
> Jerexes, decent and the drink is palatable...unlike that french
> dreck. ;^)
If you've not been there, how would you know ?
YTC#1
> "YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7gvQm.31266$GF7....@newsfe07.ams2...
>> 'Hog wrote:
>>> Yoikes!! that's very impressive.
>>>
>> Say that again when we get back :-)
>>
>
> Much like the trip my mate Will went on...
> http://www.wrongwayround.com/route.htm
>
> Unfortunately it all went wrong when he crashed, face-first, in Bolivia and
> had to be medivac'd home.
>
turby
> turby wrote:
> > On Nov 28, 1:09 pm, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 'Hog wrote:
> >>> So where is the next expedition to then Bruce?
> >> Apart from the next UKRM French trip ?
>
> >> Something like this
>
> >>http://www.quikmaps.com/show/91656
>
> > Nice.
>
> > What's wrong with Honduras? Last I heard it wasn't _that_
> > problematical.
>
> A bit of a personal joke.
>
> a) Every thing I read about it seems to point at shite boarder crossings
> and it being a shite country
A couple of friends were driving back from Costa Rica (where one of
them lives) sometime in the 80's. They were stuck at the Honduras/
Guatemala border for 2.5 days until some truckers decided "screw the
authorities" and made a run for it. My buddies tucked in behind and
made it across. But they've done the trip numerous times and that was
the only real hassle.
> b) If you look at the map, its not exactly easy to bypass without a boat :-)
>
>
>
> > As for the Darian Gap, a friend just shipped his bike from California
> > to Peru because the cost of getting it across the Gap from Panama was
> > so expensive.
>
> Wuss !
>
> He may as well just fly it to Santiago and go to TDF from there.
>
Well, he went all the way to Panama, turned around and came back. He's
on his way to TDF, but wants to do Peru first.
S'mee
> S'mee wrote:
> > On Nov 29, 4:46 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
> >> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
>
> > <sigh, sob> oh well. At least there's plenty of sun and good food in
> > Jerexes, decent and the drink is palatable...unlike that french
> > dreck. ;^)
>
> If you've not been there, how would you know ?
>
I married somebody who has... 8^) Tapas cruising is the closest I'll
ever get to cruising. I don't travel to look at mountains, trees, wild
life, amusement parks...I travel for the road it's self. <shrug> Guess
that makes me the weird one, the green monkey if you will. I almost
NEVER take photos as I'm usually too busy.
YTC#1
> On Nov 29, 8:23 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>> S'mee wrote:
>>> On Nov 29, 4:46 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
>>>> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
>>> <sigh, sob> oh well. At least there's plenty of sun and good food in
>>> Jerexes, decent and the drink is palatable...unlike that french
>>> dreck. ;^)
>> If you've not been there, how would you know ?
>>
>
> I married somebody who has... 8^) Tapas cruising is the closest I'll
I'd sack them then
> ever get to cruising. I don't travel to look at mountains, trees, wild
> life, amusement parks...I travel for the road it's self. <shrug> Guess
Eh ?
But that *is* the road ?
So you ride with your eye shut ?
> that makes me the weird one, the green monkey if you will. I almost
> NEVER take photos as I'm usually too busy.
I'll go with the photo thing
S'mee
> S'mee wrote:
> > On Nov 29, 8:23 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> >> S'mee wrote:
> >>> On Nov 29, 4:46 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
> >>>> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
> >>> <sigh, sob> oh well. At least there's plenty of sun and good food in
> >>> Jerexes, decent and the drink is palatable...unlike that french
> >>> dreck. ;^)
> >> If you've not been there, how would you know ?
>
> > I married somebody who has... 8^) Tapas cruising is the closest I'll
>
> I'd sack them then
I did better, I married the wench! Ha! Showed her.
> > ever get to cruising. I don't travel to look at mountains, trees, wild
> > life, amusement parks...I travel for the road it's self. <shrug> Guess
>
> Eh ?
> But that *is* the road ?
> So you ride with your eye shut ?
?que I scan ahead for 100-200m each side as I go along and out to the
vanishing point, but that's about it. <shrug> I guess I might note
stuff not on the road...but the touristy stuff? Just doesn't do it for
me.
> > that makes me the weird one, the green monkey if you will. I almost
> > NEVER take photos as I'm usually too busy.
>
> I'll go with the photo thing
Yep, spent a year in Korea took exactly ONE roll of film and didn't
get it developed until last year...I was in korea back in 2000. 8^)
There's likely a roll of film or two about from when I was in the
first gulf war.
YTC#1
> On Nov 29, 3:24 pm, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>> S'mee wrote:
>>> On Nov 29, 8:23 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> S'mee wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 29, 4:46 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Must be something severly wrong with me... I've never ever really had
>>>>>> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
>>>>> <sigh, sob> oh well. At least there's plenty of sun and good food in
>>>>> Jerexes, decent and the drink is palatable...unlike that french
>>>>> dreck. ;^)
>>>> If you've not been there, how would you know ?
>>> I married somebody who has... 8^) Tapas cruising is the closest I'll
>> I'd sack them then
>
> I did better, I married the wench! Ha! Showed her.
>
>>> ever get to cruising. I don't travel to look at mountains, trees, wild
>>> life, amusement parks...I travel for the road it's self. <shrug> Guess
>> Eh ?
>> But that *is* the road ?
>> So you ride with your eye shut ?
>
> ?que I scan ahead for 100-200m each side as I go along and out to the
> vanishing point, but that's about it. <shrug> I guess I might note
> stuff not on the road...but the touristy stuff? Just doesn't do it for
> me.
>
You'll have a GPS then as well
S'mee
> You'll have a GPS then as well
Nope, used them for a couple decades...wouldn't rely on one to get me
from the bike to the latrine at a rest stop. 8^) They are a NICE tool
but a only a tool. I prefer a nice map with contoure lines, a map
protractor scaled for that map and a compass. I've out navigated gps
cross country more than once.
Domenec
> S'mee wrote:
> > like amontiadllo more than burgandy. 8^)
> Yep, I'd saythere is something wrong with you.
Amontillado?
Ace
No, she came of her own accord.
S'mee
<blush> uh, thanks...I'm stuck in the outback of the nether regions of
the continental states. Hard to get decent much less good sherry. 8^\