GW made even more simple
Sean_Q_
After many adventures, Erik falls in love with Princess Aud
who lives on the mythical island of Hy Braesail, ruled by
King Arnulf.
Legend has it that the island will sink into the sea if there
is any bloodshed... which there is. Sure enough the island
starts sinking.
As the water rises around the elegant columns and statues,
King Arnulf is in total denial. "There's no problem at all,"
he keeps telling everyone while his whole kingdom is disappearing
beneath the waves.
I think this parable applies to any learned experts who try
to convince me that global warming isn't happening: they're
in total denial despite the evidence all around us.
Polar bears are literally drowning from GW because they're
unable to swim the increasingly longer distances between land
and the receding sea ice. The glacier that used to cover
Kilimanjaro is now a few scattered remnants. Former glacial
valleys here in Canada are now bare rock. And in Antarctica
the whole Ross Ice Shelf is sliding into the sea and may well
fetch up on BrianNZ's front porch.
Well I'm always bitching about the cold Canadian winters, but
soon perhaps British Columbia will be the new California.
SQ
Vito
| I think this parable applies to any learned experts who try
| to convince me that global warming isn't happening: they're
| in total denial despite the evidence all around us.
Perhaps, but it's hubris to think man can stop it. North Africa was the
grainery of the Med just 2000 years ago. But then 'Rhodesia' was exporting
food just decades ago .....
|
| Well I'm always bitching about the cold Canadian winters, but
| soon perhaps British Columbia will be the new California.
|
As with any change, some will suffer whilst others benefit.
Perhaps Boxer and Pelosi will move to Canada.
S'mee
Belive what you want. What your priest tell you doesn't make it so...
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Eiron
> I think this parable applies to any learned experts who try
> to convince me that global warming isn't happening: they're
> in total denial despite the evidence all around us.
>
> Polar bears are literally drowning from GW because they're
> unable to swim the increasingly longer distances between land
> and the receding sea ice. The glacier that used to cover
> Kilimanjaro is now a few scattered remnants. Former glacial
> valleys here in Canada are now bare rock. And in Antarctica
> the whole Ross Ice Shelf is sliding into the sea and may well
> fetch up on BrianNZ's front porch.
>
> Well I'm always bitching about the cold Canadian winters, but
> soon perhaps British Columbia will be the new California.
Why let facts get in the way of a good rant?
--
Eiron.
J. Clarke
The Kyoto loons politicized it to the point that the world can end and there
will be no consensus on what do do about it. And at this point short of
global conquest there is not a damned thing the US can do about it anyway.
Sean_Q_
>
> Belive what you want. What your priest tell you doesn't make it so...
Just wait till BrianNZ reports an iceberg the size of Texas
heading his way. Of course he'd take his dirt bike over there
for a hoon...
SQ
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>Anyone remember the comedy film _Erik the Viking_ (1989)?
>
>After many adventures, Erik falls in love with Princess Aud
>who lives on the mythical island of Hy Braesail, ruled by
>King Arnulf.
>
>Legend has it that the island will sink into the sea if there
>is any bloodshed... which there is. Sure enough the island
>starts sinking.
So we built a new one. That one burned down, fell over, and
then fell into the swamp.
>I think this parable applies to any learned experts who try
>to convince me that global warming isn't happening: they're
>in total denial despite the evidence all around us.
>
>Polar bears are literally drowning from GW because they're
>unable to swim the increasingly longer distances between land
>and the receding sea ice. The glacier that used to cover
Umm....... there are more polar bears now than there were 20
years ago. IOW, their population is INCREASING.
>Kilimanjaro is now a few scattered remnants. Former glacial
So is the miles-thick ice that used to cover North America.
>valleys here in Canada are now bare rock. And in Antarctica
>the whole Ross Ice Shelf is sliding into the sea and may well
>fetch up on BrianNZ's front porch.
>
>Well I'm always bitching about the cold Canadian winters, but
>soon perhaps British Columbia will be the new California.
How about the Roman Warming period ?
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/no-suvs-around-during-the-roman-global-warming-crisis/
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
The fact is, climate goes up and down. Humans didn't cause it ( in
either direction )10,000,000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago, or today.
And humans aren't going to change it ( in either direction ) 10 years
or 100 or 10,000 years from now. We are simply too small, too
insignifigant, too meaningless, in terms of global planetary changes,
to matter.
And sending a few trillion dollars to the UN isn't going to change it,
either.
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> So we built a new one. That one burned down, fell over, and
> then fell into the swamp.
Bravo to you and your huge tracts of land.
Vito
| Just wait till BrianNZ reports an iceberg the size of Texas
| heading his way. Of course he'd take his dirt bike over there
| for a hoon...
|
like Boxer and Pelosi ....
BrianNZ
There are a couple of goodies heading this way at the moment. Once they
get close enough to the Sth. Is. the helicopter/plave tourist flights
will be all go again.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10610463
50m above the water line, 500m long........Not quite as big as Texas but
bigger than the Titanic. :)
Eiron
Hope it doesn't hit an iceberg like the Titanic did. :-)
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BrianNZ
Australians plan iceberg party
NZPA
Last updated 01:20 26/11/2009
A group of Australians is planning to helicopter out to an iceberg off
the New Zealand coast, camp on it while they carve out an ice bar, and
then stage a party - complete with a DJ who will produce a music track.
Reynold Bierman, 38, a Sydney builder, told NZPA today his team was
still firming up details of the project.
Glaciologists would make a safety assessment of the potential for their
chosen iceberg to suddenly split or turn turtle, he said.
A flotilla of icebergs, one estimated to be about 30m high, has been
tracked drifting out of Antarctica and up past Australia's Macquarie
Island, 1000km southwest of New Zealand.
They are thought to have come from the break-up of part of the Ross Sea
Ice Shelf in 2000 - which also was the source of a group of icebergs
which reached New Zealand three years ago.
The first batch in the latest flotilla passed the Auckland Islands,
400km south of Bluff last week.
Within the next 10 days several are expected to come close enough to the
mainland for a likely site for the "ice party" to be chosen.
After carving out an "ice bar" inside the iceberg the men want to fly in
party guests for several hours of music and drinks.
One member of the group, Phil Meadows, hopes to create a new entry for
the Guinness book of records by producing a music track on the iceberg.
The group is negotiating to provide a live feed from the iceberg to an
Australian TV channel (Channel 9) and is planning internet promotions on
YouTube, MySpace and FaceBook, using a satellite phone.
It is predicting 50 million "views" via broadcasts, print and social
networking websites.
The group has claimed one part of the project will be to boost awareness
about climate change.
But Australian glaciologist Neal Young has cautioned against linking the
appearance of the icebergs in New Zealand waters to global warming. He
said the phenomenon depended as much on weather patterns and ocean
currents as on the rate at which icebergs broke away from Antarctic ice
shelves.
Three years ago, a flotilla of icebergs - including one 1km long -
drifted to Southland's Catlins coast, with some coming as close as 25km
to land for the first time since 1931.
Aviation companies ran sightseeing trips, with one Otago helicopter
company charging $500 a seat for flights to the ice.
Several publicity stunts were organised, including fitting crampons on
the feet of a celebrity sheep, Shrek, so that it could be shorn on an
iceberg.
The Older Gentleman
> Several publicity stunts were organised, including fitting crampons on
> the feet of a celebrity sheep, Shrek, so that it could be shorn on an
> iceberg.
That is absolutely superb.
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BrianNZ
> BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Several publicity stunts were organised, including fitting crampons on
>> the feet of a celebrity sheep, Shrek, so that it could be shorn on an
>> iceberg.
>
> That is absolutely superb.
>
>
'shorn'....yeah right! :)
J. Clarke
Well, that _is_ how you get a sheep nekkid.
Sean_Q_
> The fact is, climate goes up and down. Humans didn't cause it...
> We are simply too small, too insignifigant, too meaningless,
> in terms of global planetary changes, to matter.
In other words:
* fluorocarbons in the ozone
* massive clearing of water-retaining, soil-stabilizing,
free-molecular-oxygen-producing habitat-providing plants
* massive use of oxygen-consuming machinery from the time of
the Industrial Revolution
* insecticides
* introductions of invasive non-native animals and plants such as
killer bees, Burmese pythons, starlings, cane toads, kudzu vine,
Eurasian milfoil, and the beat goes on
* crude oil spills
* combustion fumes
* genetically engineered bio products too recent to evaluate their
long-term effects
* atmospheric radiation
* locust-attracting-high-sugar-content-from-chem-fertilizers crops
...and a few other human interventions I haven't thought of --
the cumulative effects of all these are negligible compared
to the vastness of Planet Earth and Mother Nature.
Well that does set my mind at ease; I'll sleep better from now on.
Thanks so much for the reassurance!
SQ
S'mee
Well, I'm told some people like the sheep shaved...basque men for
instance.
S'mee
Sounds like load of fetid dinogs kidneys to me...utter stupid also.
Fuck'em IF we hadn't thrown another log on the fire the little ice age
wouldn't have been so little, matter of FACT it would still be going
on so a pox on any fucker that thinks it's humanities fault.
S'mee
and you still would be an IDIOT to believe it's humanities fault.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>> The fact is, climate goes up and down. Humans didn't cause it...
> > We are simply too small, too insignifigant, too meaningless,
> > in terms of global planetary changes, to matter.
>
>In other words:
>
>* fluorocarbons in the ozone
>* massive clearing of water-retaining, soil-stabilizing,
> free-molecular-oxygen-producing habitat-providing plants
>* massive use of oxygen-consuming machinery from the time of
> the Industrial Revolution
>* insecticides
>* introductions of invasive non-native animals and plants such as
> killer bees, Burmese pythons, starlings, cane toads, kudzu vine,
> Eurasian milfoil, and the beat goes on
>* crude oil spills
>* combustion fumes
>* genetically engineered bio products too recent to evaluate their
> long-term effects
>* atmospheric radiation
>* locust-attracting-high-sugar-content-from-chem-fertilizers crops
Nice list of little localized temporal things. Notice that I
talked about "global planetary changes". Different critters.
>
>...and a few other human interventions I haven't thought of --
>the cumulative effects of all these are negligible compared
>to the vastness of Planet Earth and Mother Nature.
Yes, they are, both temporally and geographically. IOW, all
of them are localized, and self-erasing / self-healing with time (
very SHORT periods of time, from the planetary viewpoint ).
Possible exception -transfer of species across natural
barriers. However, there are ( at the guess of the scientists ) many
millions of species, 90 % of which we don't even know exist.
Spreading a few here or there is meaningless, again in long term
global terms.
>
>Well that does set my mind at ease; I'll sleep better from now on.
>Thanks so much for the reassurance!
Any time :-)
J. Clarke
Oh, geez, another fearmongering tactic--now we're using up all the oxygen,
according to you.
As for "locust attracting", you might try reading a book called "The Bible"
if you think that that sort of thing is new.
You're coming across as a foaming at the mouth whackadoodle with that list
you know.
CS
> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>> The fact is, climate goes up and down. Humans didn't cause it...
> > We are simply too small, too insignifigant, too meaningless,
> > in terms of global planetary changes, to matter.
>
> In other words:
I hate to break this to you, but the sad fact is people aren't any smarter
than they were 20, 200, or 2000 years ago. A few jackasses go around
pointing fingers at the flavor of the day that's causing all our problems,
and folks flock to them hoping for a cure.
I suggest you ignore them.
Way back when, folks had just as many problems with the weather as we do
today, and the scientifically approved solution at the time was human
sacrafice. "Hey, it's getting mighty cold this year, better grab some
unpopular fuck nobody's going to miss and throw his ass on a bench...where's
my knife?"
Not too long ago, the approved method of controlling the weather was finding
and hanging witches.
Today, Republicans are the new Boogeymen of Lousy Weather.
Does anybody else see a pattern here?
As for your list:
> * fluorocarbons in the ozone
> * massive clearing of water-retaining, soil-stabilizing,
> free-molecular-oxygen-producing habitat-providing plants
Brush fires have been around longer than people.
> * massive use of oxygen-consuming machinery from the time of
> the Industrial Revolution
The oxygen used even by today's highly mechanical society is insignificant.
Don't take my word for it, just do a little math, comparing the cubic feet
of O2 used by a typical machine, say a car, to the cubic feet of available
O2 on Earth. Multiply said machine by a crazy amount, say, one for each
person on the planet (about 7 billion), and you'll still come up with
practically nothing.
> * insecticides
If you like to eat, don't bitch about insecticides. See below.
> * introductions of invasive non-native animals and plants such as
> killer bees, Burmese pythons, starlings, cane toads, kudzu vine,
> Eurasian milfoil, and the beat goes on
This has been happening for a long time, back when 'humans' were fish, if
your big on Darwin, or naked morons if your into the Bible thing. Whether
it's seeds from bird shit, hurricanes, migration, or the natural rise and
fall of food cycles, plants and animals have managed to find their way
around quite nicely without our help. Local ecosystems don't fall into a
fiery pit when a new species comes calling...the ecology will eventually
evolve and balance.
AND, nature (or God) doesn't give one rat's ass about the horned spotted
albino barking lizard that's about to go extinct. This, too, has been going
on for a very long time, and there's usually very good reasons for it. Look
at the panda bear. It only eats one kind of bamboo that grows in one spot.
This species of bamboo has almost no nutritional value, so these bears take
short naps, take quick shits, then eat all day long, just so they can
survive. They will only tolerate one cub...if it has two, the ugliest one
becomes a snack for mamma. No matter how we cry and beg, the cold hard fact
is nature (or God) has these fuckers in it's (or His) crosshairs, and their
days are numbered. This animal is just too stupid and picky to survive. We
are actually interfering with nature by trying to delay their passing.
But, being human, we look at these beasts and go "Awe, look at the pretty
soft fur and sad eyes!" Yeah, bullshit. If you had in-laws that behaved
like these bastards, you'd throw them out of your house, even without the
whole child eating thing going on.
> * crude oil spills
Crude oil has been seeping up from the ocean bottom since the first dinasaur
turned into 30W. In many areas the oceans and land actually gets cleaner
after oil wells start sucking the goop out of the ground. Again, don't take
my word for it, come on over and I'll take you to the La Brea tar pits, an
area where oil and tar has been seeping up from the ground for a looooong
time.
> * combustion fumes
> * genetically engineered bio products too recent to evaluate their
> long-term effects
You mean like dogs? Domestic cats? These 'genetically engineered bio
products' have been around for quite some time, and they can be handy and
amusing, respectively. Then there's corn, roses, cows...
> * atmospheric radiation
That comes from the sun, and I don't think that's our fault.
If you're talking about nuclear reactors, here's a trivia question: What
emits more radiation into the environment, a shitty Russian nuclear power
plant, or a coal fired power plant?
Another one: What's a bigger source of radiation, your TV sets AND microwave
ovens combined, or the granite counter tops in your kitchen?
That's right, there's MORE radioactive gunk in coal and granite than you
might imagine. You don't hear anybody bitching about the environmental
impact of mining and burning coal or cutting and processing granite, but
don't think for one second it's any safer than nuclear power plants.
> * locust-attracting-high-sugar-content-from-chem-fertilizers crops
Actually, it's the lack of the above mentioned insecticides that have caused
an increase in locust swarms. When DDT was banned, everybody was worried
about how nasty the chemical was, but nobody tried to find out if the
benefits outweighed the problems. Turns out, DDT wasn't nearly as bad as
some of the shit that replaced it, and the new stuff didn't work as well, so
in the end we're taking it in both holes.
> ...and a few other human interventions I haven't thought of --
> the cumulative effects of all these are negligible compared
> to the vastness of Planet Earth and Mother Nature.
You might have missed this story:
If the link doesn't work, Google "global warming email"
If that doesn't convince you, look up some info on the last ice age, which
was in full swing 10,000 years ago and hasn't quite ended just yet (a fact
that hasn't been mentioned by money hungry scientists in 20 years). It
managed to start warming up 10k years ago without hair spray and SUV's, but
even more interesting, it managed to get friggin COLD in the first place
without Al Gore and hybrids!
> Well that does set my mind at ease; I'll sleep better from now on.
> Thanks so much for the reassurance!
I'm afraid if your loosing sleep over all this crap, it's quite impossible
to reassure you in any meaningful way, except perhaps to say you worry too
damn much over shit you can't do anything about.
Get $20 in singles, go to a titty bar, masturbate, then go for a long,
relaxing ride down some mountain roads. It won't help the environment, but
it's a hell of a lot more fun than worrying about it.
Oh, I forgot, wash your hands!
CS
Sean_Q_
> You're coming across as a foaming at the mouth whackadoodle with that list
> you know.
Uh oh, did I forget that in my SIG? Well, I sure hope the future
proves me wrong.
SQ, Foaming-at-the-Mouth Whackadoodle
'06 Zook S40 / '85 Dnepr MT-11 / various derelicts & tinfoil hats
The Older Gentleman
J. Clarke
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> You're coming across as a foaming at the mouth whackadoodle with
>> that list you know.
>
> Uh oh, did I forget that in my SIG? Well, I sure hope the future
> proves me wrong.
Half the stuff on your list even the foaming at the mouth whackadoodles
aren't worried about you know. You're really off the deep end.
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> S'mee <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 1:35 pm, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
> > > The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > > > BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > > >> Several publicity stunts were organised, including fitting crampons on
> > > >> the feet of a celebrity sheep, Shrek, so that it could be shorn on an
> > > >> iceberg.
>
> > > > That is absolutely superb.
>
> > > 'shorn'....yeah right! :)
>
> > Well, I'm told some people like the sheep shaved...basque men for
> > instance.
>
> Baa-aad man.
I am NOT! I'll have you know more than a few cute females think I'm
pretty good.*
*especially when I'm slatherd in bug spay. The mosquitoes (only the
females are blood suckers) just LOVE me...and think I'm quiet the
dish. 8^)
--
Keith
Stupendous Man
> In other words:
>
> * fluorocarbons in the ozone
> * massive clearing of water-retaining, soil-stabilizing,
> free-molecular-oxygen-producing habitat-providing plants
> * massive use of oxygen-consuming machinery from the time of
> the Industrial Revolution
> * insecticides
> * introductions of invasive non-native animals and plants such as
> killer bees, Burmese pythons, starlings, cane toads, kudzu vine,
> Eurasian milfoil, and the beat goes on
> * crude oil spills
> * combustion fumes
> * genetically engineered bio products too recent to evaluate their
> long-term effects
> * atmospheric radiation
> * locust-attracting-high-sugar-content-from-chem-fertilizers crops
I LOVE those things.