OT: where are the typewriters?
Andrew
Paul Calman
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Andrew
> Nice picture, but can an ape do this?
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/HappyDogs.jpg
>
Perhaps a 1000 apes on a 1000 machines all with photoshop installed
could do it, if given a 1000 years.
XS11E
> Paul Calman wrote:
>> Nice picture, but can an ape do this?
>> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/HappyDogs.jpg
>>
>
> Perhaps a 1000 apes on a 1000 machines all with photoshop installed
> could do it, if given a 1000 years.
But why would they want to? ;-)
Paul Calman
> do it, if given a 1000 years.
Photoshop? No, the bastards ate all my coffee
Beav
"Andrew" <yo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8291421/
Do you know what annoyed me more than anything about that? They had the
audacity to give those "paintings" a label. Abstract Tempera. What the FUCK
is that all about then? They also say the chimp produced 400 paintings and
drawings. Don't they mean the chimp had paint brush or two stuck in his
hand 400 times while they went for a shit?
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Beav
"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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To get to the other side.
XS11E
>
> "XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Andrew <yo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in:
>>
>>> Paul Calman wrote:
>>>> Nice picture, but can an ape do this?
>>>> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/HappyDogs.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps a 1000 apes on a 1000 machines all with photoshop installed
>>> could do it, if given a 1000 years.
>>
>> But why would they want to? ;-)
>
> To get to the other side.
You're confusing apes with chickens, remind me never to send you to collect
the eggs! <g>
Andrew
>>Perhaps a 1000 apes on a 1000 machines all with photoshop installed could
>>do it, if given a 1000 years.
>
>
> Photoshop? No, the bastards ate all my coffee
Not decaf eh?
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Scott Gardner
<beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
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>"Andrew" <yo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8291421/
>
>Do you know what annoyed me more than anything about that? They had the
>audacity to give those "paintings" a label. Abstract Tempera. What the FUCK
>is that all about then? They also say the chimp produced 400 paintings and
>drawings. Don't they mean the chimp had paint brush or two stuck in his
>hand 400 times while they went for a shit?
The didn't come up with that label solely to describe "chimp art".
It's just a basic description of the style "abstract" and the media
"tempera paint".
I've seen those pieces before years ago, and some of them actually
have a very good sense of color balance, which is not trivial to
develop. (Although in the case of the "chimp art", I think they just
chose the few pieces out of the 400 or so that happened to have good
color and intensity balance. Most of the other pieces were probably
just crap.)
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Scott Gardner
"Sense is not cognition but sensation." (Douglas Robinson)
Beav
"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
Heh:)
Beav
"Scott Gardner" <gardn...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:45:50 +0100, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Andrew" <yo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8291421/
>>
>>Do you know what annoyed me more than anything about that? They had the
>>audacity to give those "paintings" a label. Abstract Tempera. What the
>>FUCK
>>is that all about then? They also say the chimp produced 400 paintings and
>>drawings. Don't they mean the chimp had paint brush or two stuck in his
>>hand 400 times while they went for a shit?
>
> The didn't come up with that label solely to describe "chimp art".
> It's just a basic description of the style "abstract" and the media
> "tempera paint".
Yeah, but chimps don't think in abstracts, if they thnk at all.
>
> I've seen those pieces before years ago, and some of them actually
> have a very good sense of color balance, which is not trivial to
> develop.
Luck and the fact that the chimp was given the paints. If it had to SHOOSE
the colurs, it'd have been totally fucked.
(Although in the case of the "chimp art", I think they just
> chose the few pieces out of the 400 or so that happened to have good
> color and intensity balance. Most of the other pieces were probably
> just crap.)
And you think the chimp "art" was good? ANY of it?
Paul Calman
as a painter. I prefer cut-away draftings of English bike engines, but art
is in the eye of the beholder.
Scott Gardner
<beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
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>"Scott Gardner" <gardn...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:45:50 +0100, "Beav"
>> <beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Andrew" <yo...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8291421/
>>>
>>>Do you know what annoyed me more than anything about that? They had the
>>>audacity to give those "paintings" a label. Abstract Tempera. What the
>>>FUCK
>>>is that all about then? They also say the chimp produced 400 paintings and
>>>drawings. Don't they mean the chimp had paint brush or two stuck in his
>>>hand 400 times while they went for a shit?
>>
>> The didn't come up with that label solely to describe "chimp art".
>> It's just a basic description of the style "abstract" and the media
>> "tempera paint".
>
>Yeah, but chimps don't think in abstracts, if they thnk at all.
They obviously think, and current research is beginning to show just
how well they can communicate those thoughts, although I agree that
they may not think in abstract terms. That would not prevent them
from having a sense of color and composition, though. Not all
abstract paintings have to be an abstract depiction of a real object -
some of them are just exercises in form, color, shape, and balance,
without having an actual object as the subject.
>>
>> I've seen those pieces before years ago, and some of them actually
>> have a very good sense of color balance, which is not trivial to
>> develop.
>
>Luck and the fact that the chimp was given the paints. If it had to SHOOSE
>the colurs, it'd have been totally fucked.
Color balance has very little to do with the particular colors used,
but rather how they're distributed and balanced across the canvas,
taking into account the different hues, intensities, and saturation
levels of the colors. A talented abstract painter could take any
colors you give him and produce a balanced work, whereas a first-year
art student might have total control over the colors used and still
not produce a balanced piece.
>
> (Although in the case of the "chimp art", I think they just
>> chose the few pieces out of the 400 or so that happened to have good
>> color and intensity balance. Most of the other pieces were probably
>> just crap.)
>
>And you think the chimp "art" was good? ANY of it?
"Good" is a loaded word in the art world, especially in the field of
post-modern and contemporary abstract art. I found some of the pieces
pleasant to look at, but none of them really made me think or
challenged me. So no, I personally didn't think any of it was "good".
To be fair, I can say the same of a lot of student work that I've
seen, though.
Another big part of it is that if the viewer doesn't like abstract art
to begin with, there's little chance of finding any of the chimp "art"
appealing at all, just as someone that doesn't like country music
likely won't enjoy any C&W performance, whether the performer is any
"good" or not.
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Scott Gardner
"I will not tiptoe softly through life only to arrive safely at death."
Turby
<beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>Yeah, but chimps don't think in abstracts, if they thnk at all.
You know that from experience, do you?
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Turby the Turbosurfer
Andrew
How do you know it's actually abstract if it's painted by another species?
Andrew
> Cheetah from the Tarzan TV show is still alive and and making a good living
> as a painter.
Yeah, but even with his artsy side, he couldn't land Jane!
Scott Gardner
wrote:
>>
>
>How do you know it's actually abstract if it's painted by another species?
Touché
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Scott Gardner
"You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take. - Wayne Gretzky
Beav
"Paul Calman" <sp...@trap.com> wrote in message
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> Cheetah from the Tarzan TV show is still alive and and making a good
> living as a painter. I prefer cut-away draftings of English bike engines,
> but art is in the eye of the beholder.
Art is about passion.
Chimps are about as useful as a chocolate condom.
Beav
> Paul Calman wrote:
>> Cheetah from the Tarzan TV show is still alive and and making a good
>> living as a painter.
>
>
> Yeah, but even with his artsy side, he couldn't land Jane!
He did Ok when the vet cut his nails:)
Beav
But that presupposes a chimp actually thinks like a human and wants to
exercise his creative juices. It's total bollocks. If I let my dog run
across a paint pallette then turn him loose on a piece of canvass, is THAT
art? There's no difference between that and "chimp art".
>
>>>
>>> I've seen those pieces before years ago, and some of them actually
>>> have a very good sense of color balance, which is not trivial to
>>> develop.
>>
>>Luck and the fact that the chimp was given the paints. If it had to SHOOSE
>>the colurs, it'd have been totally fucked.
>
> Color balance has very little to do with the particular colors used,
> but rather how they're distributed and balanced across the canvas,
And I'm sure the chimp was thinking about that when he splashed around.
> taking into account the different hues, intensities, and saturation
> levels of the colors. A talented abstract painter could take any
> colors you give him and produce a balanced work, whereas a first-year
> art student might have total control over the colors used and still
> not produce a balanced piece.
Best leave art to the muppet chimps then.
>
>>
>> (Although in the case of the "chimp art", I think they just
>>> chose the few pieces out of the 400 or so that happened to have good
>>> color and intensity balance. Most of the other pieces were probably
>>> just crap.)
>>
>>And you think the chimp "art" was good? ANY of it?
>
> "Good" is a loaded word in the art world, especially in the field of
> post-modern and contemporary abstract art.
Please don't add any more credence to this abortive effort to turn a chimp
into an artist. If a chimp (ANY chimp) understood word one of what you've
written it "might" be capable of telling blue or green from a hole in the
ground, but they can't, so it's moot. Chimps aren't artists, no matter how
many times tey splash paint around.
I found some of the pieces
> pleasant to look at, but none of them really made me think or
> challenged me.
Well I'm bloody glad to hear THAT.
So no, I personally didn't think any of it was "good".
> To be fair, I can say the same of a lot of student work that I've
> seen, though.
Me too, but at least they know what they're trying to accomplish. Wanting to
be an artist isn't the same as being one, but being a chimp with a
paintbrush in it's paws is simply being a chimp with a paintbrush in it's
paws. It has no preconceived idea about what the outcome will be, it just
"splashes". It's never going to be able o distinguish between good and bad
and it's NEVER going to attempt to improve. I can't even believe I'm having
this discussion.
>
> Another big part of it is that if the viewer doesn't like abstract art
> to begin with, there's little chance of finding any of the chimp "art"
> appealing at all, just as someone that doesn't like country music
> likely won't enjoy any C&W performance, whether the performer is any
> "good" or not.
Maybe of we give the chimp a steel guitar and a violin we can REALLY see how
talented they can be.
I await that day, but I won't be holding my breath.
Beav
"Turby" <turbo...@beach.comber> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:54:39 +0100, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, but chimps don't think in abstracts, if they thnk at all.
>
> You know that from experience, do you?
I've seen the huses they build and the cars too. Frankly, they're crap at
design, crap at building and they can't drive for shit either. That's enough
for me.
XS11E
> But that presupposes a chimp actually thinks like a human and wants to
> exercise his creative juices. It's total bollocks.
That's total bollocks, recent research has shown the average chimpanzee has a
much higher IQ than the average Reekyite and much more creative talent. ;-)
See for yourself, look at the paintings the chimp did and then read one of
Hansteen's posts or one of the Walker's posts and then try to tell me people
are smarter and more creative than chimps!
Ever see a chimp respond to one of the constant trolls here? No, you
haven't. I rest my case.
Scott Gardner
<beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>Me too, but at least they know what they're trying to accomplish. Wanting to
>be an artist isn't the same as being one, but being a chimp with a
>paintbrush in it's paws is simply being a chimp with a paintbrush in it's
>paws. It has no preconceived idea about what the outcome will be, it just
>"splashes". It's never going to be able o distinguish between good and bad
>and it's NEVER going to attempt to improve. I can't even believe I'm having
>this discussion.
I can't believe you're getting so upset about it. In this thread,
I've used "art" in parentheses referring to the chimp, because I don't
think it's really art, I've said that I didn't think it was good, and
I acknowledged that even the few pieces out of the 400 or so that I
found visually pleasing were probably the result of random chance.
Believe me, I'm as appalled as you that some of those pieces went for
the prices they did.
--
Scott Gardner
"One tentacle, one vote."
Andrew
> "Turby" <turbo...@beach.comber> wrote in message
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>
>>On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:54:39 +0100, "Beav"
>><beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah, but chimps don't think in abstracts, if they thnk at all.
>>
>>You know that from experience, do you?
>
>
> I've seen the huses they build and the cars too. Frankly, they're crap at
> design, crap at building and they can't drive for shit either. That's enough
> for me.
>
>
But they are amazing masturbators, and throw feces quite well.
XS11E
> But they are amazing masturbators, and throw feces quite well.
Are you talking about the chimps or the Reekyites? <GD&R>
Paul Calman
> how talented they can be.
Country music, the music for people who can't tell the difference.
When they book this act, I will buy tickets.
Beav
"Andrew" <yogig.nosp...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bugger, I forgot about those talents. A trip to the zoo coming up I think:)
Beav
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:43:00 +0100, "Beav"
> <beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Me too, but at least they know what they're trying to accomplish. Wanting
>>to
>>be an artist isn't the same as being one, but being a chimp with a
>>paintbrush in it's paws is simply being a chimp with a paintbrush in it's
>>paws. It has no preconceived idea about what the outcome will be, it just
>>"splashes". It's never going to be able o distinguish between good and bad
>>and it's NEVER going to attempt to improve. I can't even believe I'm
>>having
>>this discussion.
>
> I can't believe you're getting so upset about it.
I'm not upset Scott, just baffled. Actually baffled beyond comprehension.
In this thread,
> I've used "art" in parentheses referring to the chimp, because I don't
> think it's really art, I've said that I didn't think it was good, and
> I acknowledged that even the few pieces out of the 400 or so that I
> found visually pleasing were probably the result of random chance.
> Believe me, I'm as appalled as you that some of those pieces went for
> the prices they did.
I just think the whole idea of a chimp bein artistic in ANY way is madness.
Beav
"XS11E" <xs1...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> "Beav" <beavis....@ntlwoxoorld.com> wrote in:
>
>> But that presupposes a chimp actually thinks like a human and wants to
>> exercise his creative juices. It's total bollocks.
>
> That's total bollocks, recent research has shown the average chimpanzee
> has a
> much higher IQ than the average Reekyite and much more creative talent.
> ;-)
I hesitated to bring that to anyone's attention. Bad on me eh? :)
>
> See for yourself, look at the paintings the chimp did and then read one of
> Hansteen's posts or one of the Walker's posts and then try to tell me
> people
> are smarter and more creative than chimps!
When I looked at he "paintings", I immediately thought .... VIKING and
almsot shit myself to think he could have that much talent.
>
> Ever see a chimp respond to one of the constant trolls here? No, you
> haven't. I rest my case.
I think I'll join you too. This thread is too silly, time to bring in the
rubber chicken.
Turby
wrote:
>> Maybe of we give the chimp a steel guitar and a violin we can REALLY see
>> how talented they can be.
>
>Country music, the music for people who can't tell the difference.
>When they book this act, I will buy tickets.
Don't you remember the Nairobi Trio? They were great.
--
Turby the Turbosurfer
XS11E
>> Maybe of we give the chimp a steel guitar and a violin we can REALLY see
>> how talented they can be.
>
> Country music, the music for people who can't tell the difference.
> When they book this act, I will buy tickets.
No, that would be inbetween. Not good enough to be music and not bad enough
to be country! <GD&R>
Paul Calman
A little before my time, but there is a band touring bars of the same name.
I prefered the Beat Farmers or Dread Zepplin for roadhouse music.
Beav
"Bownse" <bow...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> Beav wrote:
>
>>>
>>>But they are amazing masturbators, and throw feces quite well.
>>
>>
>> Bugger, I forgot about those talents. A trip to the zoo coming up I
>> think:)
>>
>>
> Consider it done! (half way down the page)
>
> http://www.bikes-n-spikes.org/rides/nart/nart.html
That saved me a trip then :-))
Beav
>
> my opinion has always been that caged animals are sad.[1] changing the
> appearance of the cage to add a little fake stone and replacing jungle
> gyms with logs doesn't change the fact that cages are cages.
There's an upside though. No other animals to prey on the chimps, so they
can get n with their painting:-))