Riding Southern New Mexico

[High Plains Thumper]

Got in last night at 9:30, I've made the Clovis NM / White Sands trek
several times already for the past couple months, close to 600 miles R/T
on nonetheless, venerable 1987 LS650 Suzuki Savage.

Ride takes me about 5 - 5.5 hours, stops included. US-70 is lightly
traveled, making for a relaxing ride. There's a lot to see, the lazy
meandering twisties of the Hondo Valley east of Ruidoso, Sacramento
Mountain pass by Mescalero Apache Reservation and the varying scenery of
southern New Mexico. When it is windy, one feels like a ghostrider
through the eerie White Sands gypsum talc dust. Worst is the open plain
between Portales and Roswell. Smells vary from the sweet flowers of
various trees by Hondo to the stench of dairy farms by Portales and raw
petroleum oil fields near Roswell.

At 70 MPH, the engine is running at 4,900 RPM; been getting around 46
MPG. I've been asked "How's the wind". "Just a little more." Riding with
a 30 MPH crosswind and gusts to 50 is just a part of riding in the high
desert. If you don't get it when going, you'll face it when returning.

Good gear is important as temperatures during the day have been in the
90 DegF when leaving late afternoon, in the 40 DegF when arriving. My
Joe Rocket Meteor jack and overpants have served me well, ventilation
vents keeping me cool during the heat, zipped up warm during the cold.
It's still a tad bit cool to be using mesh gear.

This big air cooled thumper consumes a little oil on rides. This is
normal even for a new engine. I add about a quarter to half quart every
couple hundred miles, less when cool, more in hot weather. Some have
damaged these air cooleds by not maintaining the oil level, a definite
necessity.

I pack a 1 gallon gas jug. Sometimes, the small desert town's only gas
stations are closed. The 2.8 gallon tank doesn't take one far.

Some riders have difficultly believing that a "small bike" such as the
Savage 650 can cruise. Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big bike.

Times have changed. The riding fun hasn't.

--
HPT

[Mark Olson]

On 4/28/2012 10:18 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Got in last night at 9:30, I've made the Clovis NM / White Sands
> trek several times already for the past couple months, close to 600
> miles R/T on nonetheless, venerable 1987 LS650 Suzuki Savage.

> Ride takes me about 5 - 5.5 hours, stops included.

ITYM 10 - 11 hours... or you've got one incredibly fast Savage.

Thanks for the writeup. NM is a beautiful state to ride in, can't
wait to get back there, after having ridden to Chama NM in 2010.

[Calgary (Don)]

On 28/04/2012 9:18 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big bike.

40 years! Damn now I really feel old.

You're right though. Back then a 650 was a big bike and we did tour on
them. Given our expectations for reliability are a little higher these
days I'd be hard pressed to take some of those machines far beyond the
city limit today.

--
Disclaimer
Do not believe a thing I have said, unless you already know it to be
true, or can independently verify it from another source.

See Ya On The Road

[High Plains Thumper]

Mark Olson wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Got in last night at 9:30, I've made the Clovis NM / White Sands
>> trek several times already for the past couple months, close to
>> 600 miles R/T on nonetheless, venerable 1987 LS650 Suzuki Savage.
>>
>> Ride takes me about 5 - 5.5 hours, stops included.
>
> ITYM 10 - 11 hours... or you've got one incredibly fast Savage.

My bad, one way takes 5.5 hrs. I rounded off, 600 mi. gross exaggeration
but not intentional, 230 one way. Gotten bad with my math. White Sands
is very large. I was referring to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tlZvYUvco

> Thanks for the writeup. NM is a beautiful state to ride in, can't
> wait to get back there, after having ridden to Chama NM in 2010.

I'm planning a trip to Chama end of June.

Next time, I'll try and provide pictures. Just been busy with work,
which takes me out of the away (fact of life, gottah eat.)

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

Calgary (Don) wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big bike.
>
> 40 years! Damn now I really feel old.
>
> You're right though. Back then a 650 was a big bike and we did tour
> on them. Given our expectations for reliability are a little higher
> these days I'd be hard pressed to take some of those machines far
> beyond the city limit today.

It's got CDI, 12 volt electrics. I carry extra bulbs for OTR
replacements. Carry a bottle of oil and funnel for topping off along the
way. I must admit though along the way that sometimes I envy the Harley
dry sump approach with reservoir tank or water cooleds with tighter
piston tolerances and less oil usage.

But for the economics, it's what works for me now.

Got a set of Chinese manufactured hard bags, figured out how to mount,
will take some time to modify the mounts and relocate rear turn lights.
Bought them for $65 off E-Bay, they're lockable, should provide me with
additional needed storage besides the trunk. Don't like the soft bags,
good way to get ripped off.

--
HPT

[krusty kritter]

On Apr 28, 12:28 pm, High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I'm planning a trip to Chama end of June.

Chama was a very forgetable place for me, we toured through there in
the last century on our way from Albaturkey to the Grand Canyon.

I remember the bridge across the gorge of the Rio Grande better than I
remember Chama, where a local entrepreneur was trying to get hippies
interested into building adobe houses with hay bales for insulation,
or digging into a hillside and staking old used tires into the ground
for a structure to keep the dirt from moving into the hole and filling
it up.

That concept was called an "Earth Ship."

[krusty kritter]

On Apr 28, 8:18 am, High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> This big air cooled thumper consumes a little oil on rides. This is
> normal even for a new engine. I add about a quarter to half quart every
> couple hundred miles, less when cool, more in hot weather.

That's not "a little oil," that's *a lot of oil*.

My KLR600 single uses a quart every 500 miles.

[Bob Myers]

Let's see now - a quart every 500 miles vs. "a quarter to half quart every couple hundred miles." Feeling particularly math challenged today, are we?

Bob M.

[The Older Gentleman]

*Snort*


--
Honda CB400 Four Triumph Street Triple Yamaha Tenere
Suzuki GN250, TS250ERx2, GT500 x2
So many bikes, so little garage space....
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com

[High Plains Thumper]

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Bob Myers wrote:
>> krusty kritter wrote:

>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> This big air cooled thumper consumes a little oil on rides.
>>>> This is normal even for a new engine. I add about a quarter to
>>>> half quart every couple hundred miles, less when cool, more in
>>>> hot weather.
>>>
>>> That's not "a little oil," that's *a lot of oil*. My KLR600
>>> single uses a quart every 500 miles.
>>
>> Let's see now - a quart every 500 miles vs. "a quarter to half
>> quart every couple hundred miles." Feeling particularly math
>> challenged today, are we?
>
> *Snort*

I think kk misread what I wrote; pro'ly thought a quarter was a quart. I
din't realise that there was a KLR600, which has now morphed to KLR650;
good trails bike for NM with its reasonably sized fuel tank.

--
HPT

[krusty kritter]

Small minds argue about small issues.

[krusty kritter]

On May 4, 5:21 am, High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I think kk misread what I wrote; pro'ly thought a quarter was a quart.

Thanks for explainign youer original statement.

So the oil consumption of a Savage really isn't as bad as I thought
you were saying.

> I din't realise that there was a KLR600, which has now morphed to KLR650;
> good trails bike for NM with its reasonably sized fuel tank.

The original KLR600 was only 550cc, AIR, the KLR650 is 647 cc.

The KLR's are a poor man's BMW Gelandesport, but if I had the coins
available, I would buy a chain drive BMW 650GS instead of a
KLR, because the BMW's gas tank is under the seat, lowering the center
of mass.

[krusty kritter]

On May 3, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> *Snort*

That's what you said when my cum ran out of your nostrils.

[High Plains Thumper]

krusty kritter wrote:

> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> I think kk misread what I wrote; pro'ly thought a quarter was a
>> quart.
>

> Thanks for explaining your original statement. So the oil consumption

> of a Savage really isn't as bad as I thought you were saying.

Thanks for sharing on the KLR. It helps to confirm these air cooleds do
consume some oil naturally. Some have severely damaged these engines by
not watching and keeping the oil topped to proper level.

>> I din't realise that there was a KLR600, which has now morphed to
>> KLR650; good trails bike for NM with its reasonably sized fuel
>> tank.
>
> The original KLR600 was only 550cc, AIR, the KLR650 is 647 cc.
>
> The KLR's are a poor man's BMW Gelandesport, but if I had the coins
> available, I would buy a chain drive BMW 650GS instead of a KLR,
> because the BMW's gas tank is under the seat, lowering the center of
> mass.

You're living within your means, which some people cannot understand.
One can still enjoy the sport if they scale back to what they can
afford. "The worst ride is better than the best day of work."

BTW, after riding the Savage a couple times on long rides, the S-10
pickup now feels like I'm riding a Cadillac.

--
HPT

[Mark Olson]

High Plains Thumper wrote:

> krusty kritter wrote:

>> Thanks for explaining your original statement. So the oil consumption
>> of a Savage really isn't as bad as I thought you were saying.
>
> Thanks for sharing on the KLR. It helps to confirm these air cooleds do
> consume some oil naturally. Some have severely damaged these engines by
> not watching and keeping the oil topped to proper level.

Neither bike is representative. A KLR650 in good condition will use
some oil when you're ragging it but a quart in 500 miles is way past
normal. I'd expect the air cooled LS650 to use more than the KLR.

Go here, scroll down to "THERMO-BOB™ INFORMATION" and read the article
entitled "Oil Burn Rate History on my 2004 KLR650 with Thermo-Bob".

http://www.watt-man.com/Information__Articles.html

You will note his oil consumption on his KLR650 is better than 1 quart
per 10 000 miles. I've only put about 500 miles on mine and I cannot
detect a change in oil level, despite running it VERY hard on my
commute at typical speeds of 70-75 mph.

After reading on the Thermo-Bob, I installed one on my KLR and now the
coolant temps are nice and steady even on the coldest mornings (32F) on
my commute to work. I fully expect my KLR to last 75 000 miles or more
just like his has (still counting).

[krusty kritter]

On May 5, 6:28 am, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

> Neither bike is representative.  A KLR650 in good condition will use
> some oil when you're ragging it but a quart in 500 miles is way past
> normal. I'd expect the air cooled LS650 to use more than the KLR.

The problem with really high RPM operation of a big bore, short stroke
engine is that the piston rocks in the bore and that causes the piston
rings
to flutter, allowing hot gasses to scorch the oil off the cylinder
walls which increases oil consumption.

However, I estimate that such piston ring flutter would occur at over
10,000 RPM with the KLR650...

[krusty kritter]

On May 5, 2:13 am, High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> BTW, after riding the Savage a couple times on long rides, the S-10
> pickup now feels like I'm riding a Cadillac.

My old KLR's stock seat is so hard that it feels like I'm riding on a
board.

My butt is only good for about 200 miles...

[High Plains Thumper]

Mark Olson wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> krusty kritter wrote:
>
>>> Thanks for explaining your original statement. So the oil consumption
>>> of a Savage really isn't as bad as I thought you were saying.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing on the KLR. It helps to confirm these air cooleds
>> do consume some oil naturally. Some have severely damaged these
>> engines by not watching and keeping the oil topped to proper level.
>
> Neither bike is representative. A KLR650 in good condition will use
> some oil when you're ragging it but a quart in 500 miles is way past
> normal. I'd expect the air cooled LS650 to use more than the KLR.

A little ignorance on my part. I looked at the tech specs off the
Kawasaki website, sure enough the KLR is liquid cooled, so I'd say you
are right.

> Go here, scroll down to "THERMO-BOB™ INFORMATION" and read the article
> entitled "Oil Burn Rate History on my 2004 KLR650 with Thermo-Bob".
>
> http://www.watt-man.com/Information__Articles.html
>
> You will note his oil consumption on his KLR650 is better than 1 quart
> per 10 000 miles. I've only put about 500 miles on mine and I cannot
> detect a change in oil level, despite running it VERY hard on my
> commute at typical speeds of 70-75 mph.
>
> After reading on the Thermo-Bob, I installed one on my KLR and now the
> coolant temps are nice and steady even on the coldest mornings (32F) on
> my commute to work. I fully expect my KLR to last 75 000 miles or more
> just like his has (still counting).

Interesting device and interesting why Kawasaki would have left off such
a device. Thermostatic control of the water makes sense, makes for
cleaner combustion and faster warm up.

I've known a few that have ruined the Savage engine by failing to
maintain the oil level, essential for keeping the top end lubricated.
Without that, the camshaft bearings get trashed along with the cam lobes.

The pre-2004 Savages had a defective access plug to right front head
stud, which leaked the splash oil in the cooling tunnel area below the
head cam area after several years of use. I replaced that in 2004 with a
new replacement plug, and it has been holding since. If that is leaking,
consumption will be high.

--
HPT

[Mark Olson]

High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Mark Olson wrote:

[stuff about the Thermo-Bob and the KLR650 cooling system]

> Interesting device and interesting why Kawasaki would have left off such
> a device. Thermostatic control of the water makes sense, makes for
> cleaner combustion and faster warm up.

There is a thermostat standard, but the design of the system is
not optimal (no bypass), plus the stock thermostat is set at 165F,
which combined with the system design, results in lower than
optimum coolant and oil temperatures. Colder is not better.

> I've known a few that have ruined the Savage engine by failing to
> maintain the oil level, essential for keeping the top end lubricated.
> Without that, the camshaft bearings get trashed along with the cam lobes.

That's happened to a few KLR owners who never check the oil level
in the sight glass. It's a good idea to give it a look every time
you fill the tank, even if you "know" your bike doesn't use much oil.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 4/28/2012 10:18 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Some riders have difficultly believing that a "small bike" such as the
> Savage 650 can cruise. Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big bike.
>
> Times have changed. The riding fun hasn't.

Bigger is not always better, especially if you value responsiveness.
Not needed for ride quality either, as my 560-pound Honda Deauville is
cushy one-up, while still being fine in the twisties at an 8/10 pace or
less.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

My 680-cc Honda Deauville V-twin uses no measurable oil over 4,000
miles. Of course, with liquid-cooling, tolerances can be a bit tighter.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/5/2012 4:13 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> You're living within your means, which some people cannot understand.
> One can still enjoy the sport if they scale back to what they can
> afford. "The worst ride is better than the best day of work."
>

The best part of work is the commute on the bike (every day the roads
are snow/ice free).

> BTW, after riding the Savage a couple times on long rides, the S-10
> pickup now feels like I'm riding a Cadillac

Compared to the bike, my Nissan Frontier feels like I am piloting a ship.

[High Plains Thumper]

krusty kritter wrote:

> The problem with really high RPM operation of a big bore, short
> stroke engine is that the piston rocks in the bore and that causes
> the piston rings to flutter, allowing hot gasses to scorch the oil
> off the cylinder walls which increases oil consumption.
>
> However, I estimate that such piston ring flutter would occur at
> over 10,000 RPM with the KLR650...

Savage: Bore x Stroke Ø94 x 94 mm (3.7 inches x 3.7 inches)
Redline 6,500 RPM

KLR650: Bore × Stroke 100 × 83 mm (3.9 × 3.3 in)

Could not find anything that specifically stated what the redline RPM
was, but it was below 8,000 and above 7,000. I'd guess 7,500.

I don't know who would want to run a big thumper at 5 digit RPM's.

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

krusty kritter wrote:

> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> BTW, after riding the Savage a couple times on long rides, the
>> S-10 pickup now feels like I'm riding a Cadillac.
>
> My old KLR's stock seat is so hard that it feels like I'm riding on
> a board.
>
> My butt is only good for about 200 miles...

The original 1987 Savage seat was lightly padded, a fashion statement by
a Suzuki hired Italian designer. It was a one hour seat, very painful on
longer rides.

I replaced that with a similar year NOS Intruder seat, that was a 2 hour
seat.

After, I bought a Suzuki S40 Pillow Gel Seat. That made a huge
difference. Now I can ride 5+ hours.

However, I ride my bicycle several times a week, minimum 6 miles,
sometimes 22 miles in a day (R/T). Keeping the buttocks in condition helps.

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> You're living within your means, which some people cannot
>> understand. One can still enjoy the sport if they scale back to
>> what they can afford. "The worst ride is better than the best day
>> of work."
>
> The best part of work is the commute on the bike (every day the roads
> are snow/ice free).

Sounds like the ideal bike in your neck of the woods would be a Ural
with shaft coupled sidecar:

http://www.imz-ural.com/the-ice-run/

Video is at:

http://www.theadventurists.com/the-adventures/ice-run

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom $herman wrote:

> krusty kritter wrote:
>
>> My KLR600 single uses a quart every 500 miles.
>
> My 680-cc Honda Deauville V-twin uses no measurable oil over 4,000
> miles. Of course, with liquid-cooling, tolerances can be a bit
> tighter.

True, but the KLR600 is also liquid cooled. Sometimes, oil consumption
can be as simple as worn or failing valve guide seals.

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom $herman wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Some riders have difficultly believing that a "small bike" such as
>> the Savage 650 can cruise. Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big bike.
>>
>> Times have changed. The riding fun hasn't.
>
> Bigger is not always better, especially if you value responsiveness.
> Not needed for ride quality either, as my 560-pound Honda Deauville
> is cushy one-up, while still being fine in the twisties at an 8/10
> pace or less.

About the only thing is that at 70 MPH (113 kmh), I'm turning 4,900 RPM.
At 33 HP sea level (a few ponies less at 4,300 feet (1,311 m)
elevation), a 30+ MPH headwind and slight uphill has me at widest
throttle and slowing to 65 MPH (105 kmh).

4 speed Savage sweet spot is 55 MPH (89 kmh, 3,900 RPM), (60 MPH (97
kmh) for 5 speed IMHO).

--
HPT

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Well, I ride my Yamaha TW200 on snow covered back roads on the stock
knobbies. Might try carbide studs next winter for riding in the city,
as I can take side streets most of the way to avoid the cagers sliding
around. Or maybe pick up a used Yamaha Zuma scooter and add studs.

Sorry, but sidecars do not really appeal to me, since it is no longer
riding a motorcycle where you lean and counter-steer to balance. Might
as well take the 4WD work P/U at that point, and enjoy the comfort.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Well, one of the reasons half the moto-police in Europe ride the
Deauville is the durability of the engine (an updated version of the 52°
V-twin first introduced in the late 1980's Hawk GT).

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Garda_vehicles_bolton_st.jpg>

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/6/2012 8:53 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Tom $herman wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Some riders have difficultly believing that a "small bike" such as
>>> the Savage 650 can cruise. Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big bike.
>>>
>>> Times have changed. The riding fun hasn't.
>>
>> Bigger is not always better, especially if you value responsiveness.
>> Not needed for ride quality either, as my 560-pound Honda Deauville
>> is cushy one-up, while still being fine in the twisties at an 8/10
>> pace or less.
>
> About the only thing is that at 70 MPH (113 kmh), I'm turning 4,900 RPM.
> At 33 HP sea level (a few ponies less at 4,300 feet (1,311 m)
> elevation), a 30+ MPH headwind and slight uphill has me at widest
> throttle and slowing to 65 MPH (105 kmh).
>

Yeah, riding a thumper too fast gets annoying from the vibration. It
does not have a tachometer, but the vibration on my TW200 gets bad
enough that I do not want to cruise at more than 50 mph (fortunately for
me, the state OHV park is less than 10 miles away on light traffic roads).

> 4 speed Savage sweet spot is 55 MPH (89 kmh, 3,900 RPM), (60 MPH (97
> kmh) for 5 speed IMHO).
>

I am running near 5,000 rpm at 70 mph on the Honda NT700V (aka
Deauville), but since that is with a counter-balanced, over-square,
rubber-mounted V-twin, vibration is not bad enough to make me stop
before the fuel gauge goes to "E" after about 3 hours at that speed.

I was thinking of the guys who claim you need a bike as big as an
Electra/Road/Street-Glide, Victory Cross-Country or Vision, Gold Wing,
Connie 1400/FJR1300/ST1300, or BMW R1200 or K1300 to ride long
distances, which is simply not true. Back in my college days I used to
do long distances on my 1979 Honda CB400T parallel-twin (all I could
afford at the time) with no lack of power issues (other than the lack of
heated grips, locking storage, and wind protection).

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom $herman wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Tom $herman wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some riders have difficultly believing that a "small bike" such
>>>> as the Savage 650 can cruise. Yet 40 years ago, a 650 was a big
>>>> bike.
>>>>
>>>> Times have changed. The riding fun hasn't.
>>>
>>> Bigger is not always better, especially if you value
>>> responsiveness. Not needed for ride quality either, as my
>>> 560-pound Honda Deauville is cushy one-up, while still being fine
>>> in the twisties at an 8/10 pace or less.
>>
>> About the only thing is that at 70 MPH (113 kmh), I'm turning 4,900
>> RPM. At 33 HP sea level (a few ponies less at 4,300 feet (1,311 m)
>> elevation), a 30+ MPH headwind and slight uphill has me at widest
>> throttle and slowing to 65 MPH (105 kmh).
>>
> Yeah, riding a thumper too fast gets annoying from the vibration. It
> does not have a tachometer, but the vibration on my TW200 gets bad
> enough that I do not want to cruise at more than 50 mph (fortunately
> for me, the state OHV park is less than 10 miles away on light
> traffic roads).

If your TW200 is double fire ignition (fires twice, once between
compression and power cycles, another between exhaust and intake
cycles), a regular electronic tach for a Harley will work. (I got a Drag
Specialties tach).

>> 4 speed Savage sweet spot is 55 MPH (89 kmh, 3,900 RPM), (60 MPH
>> (97 kmh) for 5 speed IMHO).
>>
> I am running near 5,000 rpm at 70 mph on the Honda NT700V (aka
> Deauville), but since that is with a counter-balanced, over-square,
> rubber-mounted V-twin, vibration is not bad enough to make me stop
> before the fuel gauge goes to "E" after about 3 hours at that speed.

I took notice of the NT700V, but since motorcycles depreciate heavily, I
might be able to find a low mileage well maintained trailer hauled
Harley-Davidson Sportster with 1300 cc kit for a song. Since I have my
own paint guns and compressor, have painted 7 or 8 cars, might opt for a
metric bike that is low mileage, but needs cosmetic work; was thinking
possibly of a Yamaha Virago 900+ cc's.

> I was thinking of the guys who claim you need a bike as big as an
> Electra/Road/Street-Glide, Victory Cross-Country or Vision, Gold
> Wing, Connie 1400/FJR1300/ST1300, or BMW R1200 or K1300 to ride long
> distances, which is simply not true. Back in my college days I used
> to do long distances on my 1979 Honda CB400T parallel-twin (all I
> could afford at the time) with no lack of power issues (other than
> the lack of heated grips, locking storage, and wind protection).

The Savage is a throwback to a CB400T (or CM400E, budget version of the
former) that I test rode in 1980. The acceleration and cruising are
about the same IMHO.

Where the larger bikes come into play is carrying a lot of camping gear
(enough for 2) along with an SWMBO. Then, a larger bike is the ticket.

A Maier universal windscreen

http://www.jcwhitney.com/cruiser-style-windshields/p2000659.jcwx

is sufficient to keep the wind off the chest. It makes riding in the
wind so much more enjoyable. As you see, it doesn't take much to improve
the ride. Now I'm relocating the rear turn lights from the pillion rails
to license plate bracket, so I can mount standard sized saddle bags.

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

Mark Olson wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>
> [stuff about the Thermo-Bob and the KLR650 cooling system]
>
>> Interesting device and interesting why Kawasaki would have left off
>> such a device. Thermostatic control of the water makes sense,
>> makes for cleaner combustion and faster warm up.
>
> There is a thermostat standard, but the design of the system is not
> optimal (no bypass), plus the stock thermostat is set at 165F, which
> combined with the system design, results in lower than optimum
> coolant and oil temperatures. Colder is not better.

Thanks for the tip; if I ever get a KLR, I'll be looking up that fix ASAP.

>> I've known a few that have ruined the Savage engine by failing to
>> maintain the oil level, essential for keeping the top end
>> lubricated. Without that, the camshaft bearings get trashed along
>> with the cam lobes.
>
> That's happened to a few KLR owners who never check the oil level in
> the sight glass. It's a good idea to give it a look every time you
> fill the tank, even if you "know" your bike doesn't use much oil.

Without additional gages like a cage has, it pays dividends to keep up
with the lubrication levels. I imagine some of those KLR's were used on
less than pristene roads, gravel, dirt, trail. Also running the motor in
its upper RPM range during extended highway cruising. Those tends to put
harder use on the oil, IMHO.

One upgrade I am thinking of adding to the Savage is an oil temperature
gage (fits in oil filler hole).

--
HPT

[Thomas]

On Sun, 06 May 2012 09:03:12 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
<twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> Well, one of the reasons half the moto-police in Europe ride the
> Deauville

Which moto-police in Europe ride the Dullville? I've never seen one cop
riding one in Britain, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy,
Switzerland, Austria, or Germany.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> Well, one of the reasons half the moto-police in Europe ride the
> Deauville

They do? I've never seen a single Euro-Plod on a Dullsville, *ever*.

Amazing how "expert" some people can be on things they actually know
fuck all about.

So the Paddies have a few. Big deal.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> Yeah, riding a thumper too fast gets annoying from the vibration. It
> does not have a tachometer, but the vibration on my TW200

News for you: A TW200 is not a thumper.

> I am running near 5,000 rpm at 70 mph on the Honda NT700V (aka
> Deauville), but since that is with a counter-balanced,

More news - the Deauville does not have an engine balancer shaft.


> over-square, rubber-mounted V-twin,

More news - the Deauville does not have rubber engine mountings
*either*.

[The Older Gentleman]

He's a fuckwit. On we all move.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/6/2012 3:53 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 May 2012 09:03:12 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
>> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, one of the reasons half the moto-police in Europe ride the
>>> Deauville
>>
>> Which moto-police in Europe ride the Dullville? I've never seen one cop
>> riding one in Britain, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy,
>> Switzerland, Austria, or Germany.
>
> He's a fuckwit. On we all move.
>
>

And you are a rude sociopath, or at least play one on the Internet.

Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/6/2012 2:41 PM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Tom $herman wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, riding a thumper too fast gets annoying from the vibration. It
>> does not have a tachometer, but the vibration on my TW200 gets bad
>> enough that I do not want to cruise at more than 50 mph (fortunately
>> for me, the state OHV park is less than 10 miles away on light
>> traffic roads).
>
> If your TW200 is double fire ignition (fires twice, once between
> compression and power cycles, another between exhaust and intake
> cycles), a regular electronic tach for a Harley will work. (I got a Drag
> Specialties tach).
>

Will have to check, but I would think it is not. Probably any
aftermarket tachometer for a single-cylinder Japanese dirt/trail bike
would work. Of course, a tachometer is not needed on the little Yammie,
since it is easy to tell when to shift by feel or ear.

>>> 4 speed Savage sweet spot is 55 MPH (89 kmh, 3,900 RPM), (60 MPH
>>> (97 kmh) for 5 speed IMHO).
>>>

> I took notice of the NT700V, but since motorcycles depreciate heavily, I
> might be able to find a low mileage well maintained trailer hauled
> Harley-Davidson Sportster with 1300 cc kit for a song. Since I have my
> own paint guns and compressor, have painted 7 or 8 cars, might opt for a
> metric bike that is low mileage, but needs cosmetic work; was thinking
> possibly of a Yamaha Virago 900+ cc's.
>

Yeah, dings and scratches knock down the price a lot, so if you fix them
yourself it is the way to go on a used bike.

I got a great deal on my NT700V because it was a poor seller in the US,
and the sales manager wanted to get it off the floor (the bike was 2
years old, but with only 1.6 miles on the clock).

>> I was thinking of the guys who claim you need a bike as big as an
>> Electra/Road/Street-Glide, Victory Cross-Country or Vision, Gold
>> Wing, Connie 1400/FJR1300/ST1300, or BMW R1200 or K1300 to ride long
>> distances, which is simply not true. Back in my college days I used
>> to do long distances on my 1979 Honda CB400T parallel-twin (all I
>> could afford at the time) with no lack of power issues (other than
>> the lack of heated grips, locking storage, and wind protection).
>
> The Savage is a throwback to a CB400T (or CM400E, budget version of the
> former) that I test rode in 1980. The acceleration and cruising are
> about the same IMHO.
>

Main difference was the CB400T was a standard, while the CM400T was a
"custom", styled after the trend started by the 1971 H-D FX Super Glide.
Very little vibration for a parallel-twin.

> Where the larger bikes come into play is carrying a lot of camping gear
> (enough for 2) along with an SWMBO. Then, a larger bike is the ticket.
>

Yep, 2-up is a different story, especially in the mountains with grades
to climb and thinner air decreasing power. Of course, some riders don't
want to downshift on the highway, which means a lot more power is needed
with over-drive top gears being common these days.

> A Maier universal windscreen
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/cruiser-style-windshields/p2000659.jcwx
>
> is sufficient to keep the wind off the chest. It makes riding in the
> wind so much more enjoyable. As you see, it doesn't take much to improve
> the ride. Now I'm relocating the rear turn lights from the pillion rails
> to license plate bracket, so I can mount standard sized saddle bags.

After having ridden with locking storage, I would not want to go any
other way except on a play bike. Too many thieves of opportunity to
leave soft luggage unattended for any length of time. :(

No longer have the CB400T, but if I ever find a decent one for sale in
orange, I might pick it up out of nostalgia.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/5/2012 2:09 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>
> [stuff about the Thermo-Bob and the KLR650 cooling system]
>
>> Interesting device and interesting why Kawasaki would have left off
>> such a device. Thermostatic control of the water makes sense, makes
>> for cleaner combustion and faster warm up.
>
> There is a thermostat standard, but the design of the system is
> not optimal (no bypass), plus the stock thermostat is set at 165F,
> which combined with the system design, results in lower than

> optimum coolant and oil temperatures. Colder is not better.[...]

Does this include the current version of the KLR650? Was thinking of
getting one if I ever take a trip to Alaska/Yukon/NW Territories.

[Thomas]

On Sun, 06 May 2012 14:19:09 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)

<twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> On 5/6/2012 3:53 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 06 May 2012 09:03:12 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
>>> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, one of the reasons half the moto-police in Europe ride the
>>>> Deauville
>>>
>>> Which moto-police in Europe ride the Dullville? I've never seen one cop
>>> riding one in Britain, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy,
>>> Switzerland, Austria, or Germany.
>>
>> He's a fuckwit. On we all move.
>>
>>
> And you are a rude sociopath, or at least play one on the Internet.
>
> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.

If you don't want to be called on your bullshit, don't make preposterous
claims in a public forum where people know the truth.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/6/2012 7:38 PM, Thomas ? wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2012 14:19:09 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/6/2012 3:53 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> [...]

>>> He's a fuckwit. On we all move.
>>>
>>>
>> And you are a rude sociopath, or at least play one on the Internet.
>>
>> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.
>
> If you don't want to be called on your bullshit, don't make preposterous
> claims in a public forum where people know the truth.

And that excuses rudeness and name calling how?

Were you raised in a street gang?

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/6/2012 7:38 PM, Thomas ? wrote:
> On Sun, 06 May 2012 14:19:09 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/6/2012 3:53 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> [...]

>>> He's a fuckwit. On we all move.
>>>
>>>
>> And you are a rude sociopath, or at least play one on the Internet.
>>
>> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.
>
> If you don't want to be called on your bullshit, don't make preposterous
> claims in a public forum where people know the truth.

I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
not ever making a mistake).

You two on the other hand have demonstrated incivility, boorishness, and
other character flaws, which are not so easily corrected.

Do you correct people in such a manner face to face when you do not have
numbers to your advantage. I highly doubt it.

[Mark Olson]

Here's your rattle. 4/10 on your throw.

[Mark Olson]

Have a look at the Watt-Man site, he sells a kit for the 2008 and newer
KLRs too.

http://shop.watt-man.com/Thermo-Bobs_c4.htm

[High Plains Thumper]

Thomas wrote:

> Tom $herman wrote:
>
>> Well, one of the reasons half the moto-police in Europe ride the
>> Deauville
>
> Which moto-police in Europe ride the Dullville? I've never seen one
> cop riding one in Britain, Ireland, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy,
> Switzerland, Austria, or Germany.

I looked at the following site, it shows some BMW 650 dual sports for
police work:

http://www.policeone.com/police-products/vehicles/motorcycles/

But when one clicks on a link, it shows the 1200 street version.

Smaller bikes relegated to meter maids? ;->

--
HPT

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
> not ever making a mistake).

In one posting, you managed to make three: calling a TW200 a thumper,
saying a Deauville had a counter balanced engine, and saying a Deauville
had a rubber mounted engine.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.

And someone who wants to be anonymous puts his full email address in
every posting?

You're managing do dig yourself a deeper hole with every statement you
make.

[Thomas]

On Sun, 06 May 2012 18:43:05 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)

<twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> On 5/6/2012 7:38 PM, Thomas ? wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 May 2012 14:19:09 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
>> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/6/2012 3:53 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> He's a fuckwit. On we all move.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And you are a rude sociopath, or at least play one on the Internet.
>>>
>>> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.
>>
>> If you don't want to be called on your bullshit, don't make preposterous
>> claims in a public forum where people know the truth.
>
> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
> not ever making a mistake).
>
> You two on the other hand have demonstrated incivility, boorishness, and
> other character flaws, which are not so easily corrected.
>
> Do you correct people in such a manner face to face when you do not have
> numbers to your advantage. I highly doubt it.

NAHAY? My initial response was entirely civil. I could have omitted the
profanity in my second response, but the gist remains. Spouting nonsense
on Usenet is not conducive to credibility.

[High Plains Thumper]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Tom $herman wrote:
>
>> Yeah, riding a thumper too fast gets annoying from the vibration. It
>> does not have a tachometer, but the vibration on my TW200
>
> News for you: A TW200 is not a thumper.

[quote]
Strong-pulling 196cc air-cooled, four-stroke single delivers torquey
low- and mid-range power perfectly suited to off-road exploring.
[/quote]

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products/modelfeatures/10/0/features.aspx

A thumper is a single cylinder engine motorcycle.

>> over-square, rubber-mounted V-twin,
>
> More news - the Deauville does not have rubber engine mountings
> *either*.

But it pro'ly doesn't shake like a hard mount (older) Harley Sportster.

--
HPT

[The Older Gentleman]

High Plains Thumper <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> A thumper is a single cylinder engine motorcycle.

Generally, it's a *large capacity* single cylinder motorcycle.

I'd suggest an overbored 125 isn't, but a Yamaha XT is.

Nobody would call a 50cc scooter a thumper, for example.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 2:05 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.
>
> And someone who wants to be anonymous puts his full email address in
> every posting?
>
> You're managing do dig yourself a deeper hole with every statement you
> make.
>

And The Older Gentleman is proving anything but.

(OK, he may well be older, but certainly not a gentlemen).

A Yahoo! email address is not an identity without a court order
revealing the person behind it. I would have thought a great expert
would have figured that out.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 2:05 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
>> not ever making a mistake).
>
> In one posting, you managed to make three: calling a TW200 a thumper,
> saying a Deauville had a counter balanced engine, and saying a Deauville
> had a rubber mounted engine.

By USian standards, the TW200 is a thumper.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

The response was to you entirely uncivil tone, as well as seeing your
opportunity to "pile one" the nastiness started by someone else - a
follower of a bully.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> On 5/7/2012 2:05 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >
> >> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
> >> not ever making a mistake).
> >
> > In one posting, you managed to make three: calling a TW200 a thumper,
> > saying a Deauville had a counter balanced engine, and saying a Deauville
> > had a rubber mounted engine.
>
> By USian standards, the TW200 is a thumper.

So, and correct me if I'm wrong, the US likes big engines but considers
a tiddler to be a thumper?

Or is that just *your* interpretation?

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> > And someone who wants to be anonymous puts his full email address in
> > every posting?
> >
> > You're managing do dig yourself a deeper hole with every statement you
> > make.
> >
> And The Older Gentleman is proving anything but.
>
> (OK, he may well be older, but certainly not a gentlemen).
>
> A Yahoo! email address is not an identity without a court order
> revealing the person behind it. I would have thought a great expert
> would have figured that out.

Fuck, but you are stupid. I mean, really, really stupid. Stupid and
ignorant.

Stupidity and ignorance hard to quantify. Stupidity and ignorance that,
on a scale of one to ten, would amount to a figure equivalent to the
gross national product of the US, expressed in zloty.

Not only have you bombarded this ng with your own ridiculous technical
"expertise" as regards underpowered Hondas, plus told us (and there are
more than a few Europeans who hang out here) that your Dullsville is the
choice of Plod all over Europe, but you can't even read postings
properly.

[Mark Olson]

On 05/07/2012 07:28 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2012 2:05 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
>> >> not ever making a mistake).
>> >
>> > In one posting, you managed to make three: calling a TW200 a thumper,
>> > saying a Deauville had a counter balanced engine, and saying a Deauville
>> > had a rubber mounted engine.
>>
>> By USian standards, the TW200 is a thumper.
>
> So, and correct me if I'm wrong, the US likes big engines but considers
> a tiddler to be a thumper?
>
> Or is that just *your* interpretation?

I might have said it was a thumper, too. You're right, a 50cc isn't a thumper.
A 400cc single is. Where's the dividing line? For some it might be a 250, Or
even a mere 200cc.

On this point I'd give him a break.

[The Older Gentleman]

Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:


> I might have said it was a thumper, too. You're right, a 50cc isn't a
> thumper. A 400cc single is. Where's the dividing line? For some it might
> be a 250, Or even a mere 200cc.
>
> On this point I'd give him a break.

I'd be tempted to give anyone else a break on it, actually, but not him
because he knows about as much about bikes as my cat.

Personally, I'd reckon 350cc would be the cut-off point. But yes, it's
hard to quantify. I really wouldn't call a 200 a thumper because, erm,
well, because it doesn't thump, really.

My Tenere certainly does, though :-) Much fun was had in France on it
this weekend.

[J. Clarke]

In article <jo674i$dua$1...@dont-email.me>, "Tom $herman (-_-)" says...
>
> On 5/6/2012 8:37 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:

> > Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
> >> High Plains Thumper wrote:
> >>

> >>> You're living within your means, which some people cannot
> >>> understand. One can still enjoy the sport if they scale back to
> >>> what they can afford. "The worst ride is better than the best day
> >>> of work."
> >>
> >> The best part of work is the commute on the bike (every day the roads
> >> are snow/ice free).
> >
> > Sounds like the ideal bike in your neck of the woods would be a Ural
> > with shaft coupled sidecar:
> >
> > http://www.imz-ural.com/the-ice-run/
> >
> > Video is at:
> >
> > http://www.theadventurists.com/the-adventures/ice-run
> >
> Well, I ride my Yamaha TW200 on snow covered back roads on the stock
> knobbies. Might try carbide studs next winter for riding in the city,
> as I can take side streets most of the way to avoid the cagers sliding
> around. Or maybe pick up a used Yamaha Zuma scooter and add studs.

Wish the back roads around here got snow covered enough to allow that.
But everything gets plowed so it's really a combination of sand and ice
that's about as rideable as a pile of ball-bearings.

> Sorry, but sidecars do not really appeal to me, since it is no longer
> riding a motorcycle where you lean and counter-steer to balance. Might
> as well take the 4WD work P/U at that point, and enjoy the comfort.

[J. Clarke]

In article <1kjq7ug.193hhohqy0ckgN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,
totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk says...

>
> "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> > On 5/7/2012 2:05 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
> > >> not ever making a mistake).
> > >
> > > In one posting, you managed to make three: calling a TW200 a thumper,
> > > saying a Deauville had a counter balanced engine, and saying a Deauville
> > > had a rubber mounted engine.
> >
> > By USian standards, the TW200 is a thumper.
>
> So, and correct me if I'm wrong, the US likes big engines but considers
> a tiddler to be a thumper?
>
> Or is that just *your* interpretation?

Generally speaking in the US a one-cylinder motorcycle is a "thumper".
Never heard the word "tiddler" before.

[The Older Gentleman]

Well, we've already established that a fifty isn't a thumper so it's
just a matter of agreeing the capacity :-)

And Mark says, correctly, it isn't really possible.

Don't think I'd ever call my GN250 a thumper. Many other things, yes,
but never a thumper.

[Thomas]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 04:00:38 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)

<twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> On 5/7/2012 2:17 AM, Thomas wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 May 2012 18:43:05 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
>> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/6/2012 7:38 PM, Thomas ? wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 May 2012 14:19:09 -0700, Tom $herman (-_-)
>>>> <twshermanREMOVE"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/6/2012 3:53 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> He's a fuckwit. On we all move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> And you are a rude sociopath, or at least play one on the Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny how people like to flame when they think they are anonymous.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want to be called on your bullshit, don't make
>>>> preposterous
>>>> claims in a public forum where people know the truth.
>>>
>>> I made an honest mistake, which will not be repeated (specific errors,
>>> not ever making a mistake).
>>>
>>> You two on the other hand have demonstrated incivility, boorishness,
>>> and other character flaws, which are not so easily corrected.
>>>
>>> Do you correct people in such a manner face to face when you do not
>>> have numbers to your advantage. I highly doubt it.
>>
>> NAHAY? My initial response was entirely civil. I could have omitted the
>> profanity in my second response, but the gist remains. Spouting nonsense
>> on Usenet is not conducive to credibility.
>

> The response was to you entirely uncivil tone(sic), as well as seeing

> your opportunity to "pile one" the nastiness started by someone else - a
> follower of a bully.

"Entirely uncivil"? I asked a simple question, followed by a simple
statement of fact. You still haven't answered the question, BTW. And I'm
still curious how you came to think the Deauville is used by _any_ police
in Europe, much less half. That you thought you could get away with such
an outlandish claim is only evidence of your character. (Or an ignorant
gullibility, if you're only repeating something you heard.)

[The Older Gentleman]

Thomas <keen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.

This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.

[Thomas]

On Mon, 07 May 2012 11:48:50 -0700, The Older Gentleman
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Thomas <keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
>
> This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
> dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.

I'm trying, desperately, to give him the benefit of the doubt, OK?

[High Plains Thumper]

The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Personally, I'd reckon 350cc would be the cut-off point. But yes,
> it's hard to quantify. I really wouldn't call a 200 a thumper
> because, erm, well, because it doesn't thump, really.

I rode a Suzuki GZ250, it has a thump-thump-thump sound (actually sounds
more like put-put-put because of the late model exhaust).

My 1971 Honda CB100 has a nice exhaust tone to it's thump. Back then,
minimal baffling was acceptable. It sounds like a grown up scooter. :-)

But the Savage definitely has an unmistakable thump-thump-thump sound,
just like the late 1970's Yamaha SR500.

--
HPT

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:

> The response was to you entirely uncivil tone, as well as seeing
> your opportunity to "pile one" the nastiness started by someone else
> - a follower of a bully.

Tom, the incivility with civility comes from rec.motorcycle (Reeky)
history of:

"Ride to flame, flame to ride."

"The rules: 1. There are no rules. 2. Go ride."

So you don't become very offended, please read the FAQ:

http://www.tridod.org/ufaq/whatisdod.htm

Over time, the denizensofdoom.com website has come under disuse, but the
link above may reveal some of its heritage, although much of it has been
lost and many have moved on.

Originally, most of the flaming was done out of humor more than anything
else, but there have been some doozies, be forewarned.

--
HPT

[The Older Gentleman]

<G>

I'm trying to see how far I can get him to throw his rattle.

[Calgary (Don)]

On 07/05/2012 12:00 PM, Thomas wrote:
> "Entirely uncivil"? I asked a simple question, followed by a simple
> statement of fact. You still haven't answered the question, BTW. And I'm
> still curious how you came to think the Deauville is used by _any_
> police in Europe, much less half. That you thought you could get away
> with such an outlandish claim is only evidence of your character. (Or an
> ignorant gullibility, if you're only repeating something you heard.)

First it is great to see you posting in Reeky again. You have been missed.

On another note please do not make this brow beating of a newbie to the
group, your only contribution. You, like our other MIA buddy RGD have
been known to wring every drop of life out of every moment. I'd like to
hear more of your recent travels.

Good to have you back Thomas.

--
Disclaimer
Do not believe a thing I have said, unless you already know it to be
true, or can independently verify it from another source.

See Ya On The Road

[Calgary (Don)]

Welcome to Reeky Tom. As you have seen there are a few around here who
dedicate their free time to parsing every word of every post and take
great enjoyment out of pointing out any inaccuracies. Once done they
will proceed to launch personal and vindictive attacks at the author.

You have already met Neil Murray (The Older Gentlemen). You will find
Neil at the epicentre of each and every one of these pissing contests.
He knows his bikes but in my humble opinion extracting any valuable or
interesting information out of him is not worth the BS that goes with it.

I hope you have a thick skin and hang around for a while. Neil tends to
drive out the new blood to this group. We can use a few more contributors.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 8:07 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<jo674i$dua$1...@dont-email.me>, "Tom $herman (-_-)" says...
>>
>> On 5/6/2012 8:37 AM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Tom $herman (-_-)> wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You're living within your means, which some people cannot
>>>>> understand. One can still enjoy the sport if they scale back to
>>>>> what they can afford. "The worst ride is better than the best day
>>>>> of work."
>>>>
>>>> The best part of work is the commute on the bike (every day the roads
>>>> are snow/ice free).
>>>
>>> Sounds like the ideal bike in your neck of the woods would be a Ural
>>> with shaft coupled sidecar:
>>>
>>> http://www.imz-ural.com/the-ice-run/
>>>
>>> Video is at:
>>>
>>> http://www.theadventurists.com/the-adventures/ice-run
>>>
>> Well, I ride my Yamaha TW200 on snow covered back roads on the stock
>> knobbies. Might try carbide studs next winter for riding in the city,
>> as I can take side streets most of the way to avoid the cagers sliding
>> around. Or maybe pick up a used Yamaha Zuma scooter and add studs.
>
> Wish the back roads around here got snow covered enough to allow that.
> But everything gets plowed so it's really a combination of sand and ice
> that's about as rideable as a pile of ball-bearings.

These are mostly gravel roads, and they are typically plowed with a
motor-grader just above the gravel surface. Hardly any traffic, except
for the ditch riding snowmobiles. Also, no deicing salt is used so the
bike does not get all corroded up. The 2 miles of paved road to them
can be tricky in "mixed" conditions, however.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

I have been on Usenet for more than a decade and been called everything
under the sun, so I do not take it personally.

But I find flaming back to be fun. :)

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 7:28 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>> And someone who wants to be anonymous puts his full email address in
>>> every posting?
>>>
>>> You're managing do dig yourself a deeper hole with every statement you
>>> make.
>>>
>> And The Older Gentleman is proving anything but.
>>
>> (OK, he may well be older, but certainly not a gentlemen).
>>
>> A Yahoo! email address is not an identity without a court order
>> revealing the person behind it. I would have thought a great expert
>> would have figured that out.
>
> Fuck, but you are stupid. I mean, really, really stupid. Stupid and
> ignorant.
>
> Stupidity and ignorance hard to quantify. Stupidity and ignorance that,
> on a scale of one to ten, would amount to a figure equivalent to the
> gross national product of the US, expressed in zloty.
>
> Not only have you bombarded this ng with your own ridiculous technical
> "expertise" as regards underpowered Hondas,

Sorry, I was conflating two different bikes - probably should not post
under the influence of certain medications. ;)

> plus told us (and there are
> more than a few Europeans who hang out here) that your Dullsville is the
> choice of Plod all over Europe, but you can't even read postings
> properly.

You do more to disparage your own character than anything I could ever
post. :)

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 6:46 PM, Calgary (Don) wrote:
> On 07/05/2012 12:00 PM, Thomas wrote:
>> "Entirely uncivil"? I asked a simple question, followed by a simple
>> statement of fact. You still haven't answered the question, BTW. And I'm
>> still curious how you came to think the Deauville is used by _any_
>> police in Europe, much less half. That you thought you could get away
>> with such an outlandish claim is only evidence of your character. (Or an
>> ignorant gullibility, if you're only repeating something you heard.)
>
>
> First it is great to see you posting in Reeky again. You have been missed.
>
> On another note please do not make this brow beating of a newbie to the
> group, your only contribution. You, like our other MIA buddy RGD have
> been known to wring every drop of life out of every moment. I'd like to
> hear more of your recent travels.
>
> Good to have you back Thomas.
>

Do not worry. I have been on Usenet long enough that nothing negative
anyone posts bothers me personally, unless (in the rare case) I have
real life association with them.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

The term "bullshit" is not used in civil conversation. You must be
ignorant if you do not realize that.

> You still haven't answered the question, BTW. And I'm
> still curious how you came to think the Deauville is used by _any_
> police in Europe, much less half. That you thought you could get away
> with such an outlandish claim is only evidence of your character. (Or an
> ignorant gullibility, if you're only repeating something you heard.)

To satisfy your curiosity, I remembered reading these in the past.

"In the Republic Of Ireland, the Deauville has been in use as the
standard police motorcycle of An Garda Síochána since 2004. Police
forces in other countries, including the UK and Spain, also use it."
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Deauville#Police_use>

"It's one of Honda's best-sellers overseas, with more than 47,000 units
sold since 2000-mostly to commuters, couriers and seemingly every police
force from Birmingham to Barcelona."
<http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_1004_2010_honda_nt700v/index.html>

Not peer reviewed, but not some random comment off or Usenet either.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 1:48 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
>
> This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
> dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.
>

Still digging your character deeper into a hole, I see. No wonder you
post under a pseudonym. :)

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Well, I answered your question below in this thread just a few minutes ago.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 3:40 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 May 2012 11:48:50 -0700, The Older Gentleman
>> <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
>>>
>>> This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
>>> dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.
>>
>> I'm trying, desperately, to give him the benefit of the doubt, OK?
>
> <G>
>
> I'm trying to see how far I can get him to throw his rattle.

You are projecting your own behavior here. :)

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Well, the US moto "rags" call pretty much anything with one cylinder a
"thumper". After all, the UK and the US are two countries divided by a
common language.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

My Honda Elite (108cc single) sounds like a cross between a sewing
machine and a lawn mower.

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/7/2012 6:55 PM, Calgary (Don) wrote:
> Welcome to Reeky Tom. As you have seen there are a few around here who
> dedicate their free time to parsing every word of every post and take
> great enjoyment out of pointing out any inaccuracies. Once done they
> will proceed to launch personal and vindictive attacks at the author.
>

Thanks. :)

> You have already met Neil Murray (The Older Gentlemen). You will find
> Neil at the epicentre of each and every one of these pissing contests.
> He knows his bikes but in my humble opinion extracting any valuable or
> interesting information out of him is not worth the BS that goes with it.
>

Good information.

> I hope you have a thick skin and hang around for a while. Neil tends to
> drive out the new blood to this group. We can use a few more contributors.
>

I had my own personal stalker on Usenet for about a decade, and have
learned to enjoy flame wars, as long as they are confined to Usenet.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> To satisfy your curiosity, I remembered reading these in the past.

<Snip>

"I read it on the internet, so it must be true."

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> On 5/7/2012 1:48 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
> >
> > This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
> > dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.
> >
>
> Still digging your character deeper into a hole, I see. No wonder you
> post under a pseudonym. :)

My irl name appears in every single posting I make.

It's *amazing* how you manage to continue to fuck up :-)

[TOG@Toil]

On May 8, 12:55 am, "Calgary (Don)" <actual.rider*...@telus.net>
wrote:

> Welcome to Reeky Tom.  As you have seen there are a few around here who
> dedicate their free time to parsing every word of every post and take
> great enjoyment out of pointing out any inaccuracies. Once done they
> will proceed to launch personal and vindictive attacks at the author.
>
> You have already met Neil Murray (The Older Gentlemen).  You will find
> Neil at the epicentre of each and every one of these pissing contests.
> He knows his bikes but in my humble opinion extracting any valuable or
> interesting information out of him is not worth the BS that goes with it.
>
> I hope you have a thick skin and hang around for a while.  Neil tends to
> drive out the new blood to this group.  We can use a few more contributors.
>

Wow! Amazing what you see when you Google Groups it. Oh dear, oh
dear.... The would-be little soldier has resurfaced :-)

[TOG@Toil]

On May 8, 2:09 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI

Ah well. You'll soon discover that Don Binns (aka Calgary) has his
unique interpretation of words and language, plus an inability (as you
have demonstrated) to read posts and even websites properly, plus an
insatiable appetitie for continuing flame wars over *years*. I direct
you to his latest attempt, which originated when it was (correctly)
pointed out that the Canadian government distinguished itself by not
sending troops to fight in Europe in WW2 until remarkably late in the
day ;-)

His rattle was last spotted, having achieved excape velocity from the
solar system, heading for Proxima Centauri.

[KKHS]

On May 8, 2:19 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older

Gentleman) wrote:
> "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> > To satisfy your curiosity, I remembered reading these in the past.
>
> <Snip>
>
> "I read it on the internet, so it must be true."

Geez, TOG. The same thing, with photos, has been published in Cycle
World magazine, Motorcyclist magazine, and Rider magazine. Perhaps
just because YOU haven't PERSONNALY seen such police bike doesn't
constitute PROOF that they don't exist?

http://www.bike-parts-honda.com/moto-honda-identification-NT650V5-6724.html

dsc06456.jpg&sa=X&ei=WyipT8vLMumMiALTiamdAg&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEEQGgHU33Pl-
Mc8RwqMc8-jN5hjA

[TOG@Toil]

On May 8, 3:08 pm, KKHS <krustykritterharryspra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 8, 2:19 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>
> Gentleman) wrote:
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> > > To satisfy your curiosity, I remembered reading these in the past.
>
> > <Snip>
>
> > "I read it on the internet, so it must be true."
>
> Geez, TOG.   The same thing, with photos, has been published in Cycle
> World magazine, Motorcyclist magazine, and Rider magazine.   Perhaps
> just because YOU haven't PERSONNALY seen such police bike doesn't
> constitute PROOF that they don't exist?
>

> http://www.bike-parts-honda.com/moto-honda-identification-NT650V5-672...
>
I never said they *didn't* exist. What are you, some kind of Sherman/
Calgary can't-read lookalike? I'm just disputing that they are in
widespread use by half the police forces in Europe. Or, to put it
another way, I have not seen one in the UK, France, Spain, Italy,
Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands, all of which are countries I've
travelled in or through in the last few years.

Or, to put it yet another way, rather more European countries than
most posters here will have trundled over or through in the same time.
Mr Thomas probably excepted :-)

FWIW, BMWs still seem to rule. Pan-Europeans (the old 1100 version)
were in use in the UK a while back. In France this weekend I saw they
were using oilhead BMWs. I've seen UK Plod on FJR1300s. But, as a
rough rule of thumb, BMWs dominate, partly due to the fact that BMW
has a very experienced department dealing entirely with police sales.

Now stop shouting and wind your silly neck in.

[High Plains Thumper]

TOG wrote:

> I direct you to his latest attempt, which originated when it was
> (correctly) pointed out that the Canadian government distinguished
> itself by not sending troops to fight in Europe in WW2 until
> remarkably late in the day ;-)

20 years ago I saw their entire Navy sail into Long Beach, Calif.
harbour - all 4 ships. ;->

> His rattle was last spotted, having achieved excape velocity from
> the solar system, heading for Proxima Centauri.

What part of Montana or Idaho is that?

--
HPT

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/8/2012 1:19 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2012 1:48 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
>>>
>>> This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
>>> dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.
>>>
>>
>> Still digging your character deeper into a hole, I see. No wonder you
>> post under a pseudonym. :)
>
> My irl name appears in every single posting I make.
>
> It's *amazing* how you manage to continue to fuck up :-)
>
>

Your legal name is "Chateau Murray"?

(That is sarcasm, BTW)

[High Plains Thumper]

Tom $herman wrote:

> My Honda Elite (108cc single) sounds like a cross between a sewing
> machine and a lawn mower.

That size scooter is a decent piece of equipment, good commuter with
good petrol mileage.

It is amazing the amount of active motor-scooters and also at the number
of female riders in Japan. They were about equal in number to male riders.

The timeless scooter there is the Honda Cub. They do not import that to
the US, although I wish they did. It was the standard vehicle for mail
and pizza delivery. (Yes, they do eat pizza in Japan.)

--
HPT

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

Sure as heck look like Honda NT700V's in Garda Traffic Corp colors:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Garda_vehicles_bolton_st.jpg>,
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/be216cd1/6859277079/>,
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/vanhelsing65/2772059525/>,
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/38016434@N05/5696232647/>,
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/bangorfuji9500/5872847926/>.

More police/emergency responder NT700V pics:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/pablocruzroja/5572080780/>,
<http://www.ukemergency.co.uk/ambulance/P1150235.jpg>.

Are the pictures all faked, or heaven forbid, TOG wrong? :)

[Tom $herman (-_-)]

On 5/8/2012 10:15 PM, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Tom $herman wrote:
>
>> My Honda Elite (108cc single) sounds like a cross between a sewing
>> machine and a lawn mower.
>
> That size scooter is a decent piece of equipment, good commuter with
> good petrol mileage.
>

Around mid 90-mpg real world mileage on mine, and I am not light and do
run it close to top speed a lot, since much of my commute is on 45 mph
speed limit roads, and governed top speed is ~52 mph. Does bog down on
hills a bit, but on the steepest grades around here (<6%) it will still
go 40+ mph. And of course, insurance and other costs are low.

The Elite is almost as nimble as a bicycle, and handling is also more
bicycle than motorcycle in feel. Makes dicing with the cagers in
traffic fun - the Elite is much more fun than about 7 hp at the rear
wheel (rated at 8.9 hp at the crank) should be. :)

Even with the small tires, the Elite is also decent on gravel roads, but
does not work well on mud roads, as the street tread quickly clogs up
(had to try it once just to find out).

> It is amazing the amount of active motor-scooters and also at the number
> of female riders in Japan. They were about equal in number to male riders.
>

Considering the costs of car ownership in Japan and the difficulty
finding parking in urban areas, a scooter makes a lot of sense.

> The timeless scooter there is the Honda Cub. They do not import that to
> the US, although I wish they did. It was the standard vehicle for mail
> and pizza delivery. (Yes, they do eat pizza in Japan.)
>

The Honda Super Cub was imported to the US as the Passport C70 back in
the early 1980's:
<http://hondascooters.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/honda-passport-scooter.jpg>.
Pretty rare, as a couple of the used motorcycle for sale search sites
did not turn up any for sale.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> On 5/8/2012 1:19 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
> >
> >> On 5/7/2012 1:48 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> >>> Thomas<keen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
> >>>
> >>> This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
> >>> dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Still digging your character deeper into a hole, I see. No wonder you
> >> post under a pseudonym. :)
> >
> > My irl name appears in every single posting I make.
> >
> > It's *amazing* how you manage to continue to fuck up :-)
> >
> >
> Your legal name is "Chateau Murray"?
>
> (That is sarcasm, BTW)

No, it's not. It's idiocy.

Keep digging.

[The Older Gentleman]

"Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:

> Are the pictures all faked, or heaven forbid, TOG wrong? :)

TOG's right. TOG even acknowledged the Irish use them. TOG merely
refused to believe your assertion that half the police forces in Europe
(so that would be a couple of dozen) use the thing.

IOW - you've failed to read postings properly *again* (you must be Binns
in disguise) and you're wrong :-)

Still, you've managed, in what I believe must have been frenzied
Googling, to find *one* more police force that uses them. So that's two.
Another twenty-plus to go. :-)

[TOG@Toil]

On May 9, 4:09 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI

$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 5/8/2012 1:19 AM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tom $herman (-_-)"<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">  wrote:
>
> >> On 5/7/2012 1:48 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> >>> Thomas<keens...@gmail.com>   wrote:
>
> >>>> You still haven't answered the question, BTW.
>
> >>> This sort don't. They fuck up, get stuff wrong,. bluster, and try and
> >>> dvert the attention to something else. A bit like Krusty.
>
> >> Still digging your character deeper into a hole, I see.  No wonder you
> >> post under a pseudonym.  :)
>
> > My irl name appears in every single posting I make.
>
> > It's  *amazing* how you manage to continue to fuck up :-)
>
> Your legal name is "Chateau Murray"?
>
> (That is sarcasm, BTW)

Out of curiosity, why do you attack people for posting on Usenet
through pseudonyms? Virtually everyone on Usenet uses a pseudonym of
some sort.

> Post Free or Die!

^^^^^^^^^ The irony of this is evidently lost on you.

[Mark Olson]

On 05/08/2012 10:26 PM, Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:

> Are the pictures all faked, or heaven forbid, TOG wrong? :)

You do seem particularly hard of thinking. It's probably a wasted
effort but I'll try.

TOG never said Deauville police bikes don't exist. He's saying they
are not in widespread use. He's right about that. They are not
commonly used as police bikes. Other models are far more popular,
specifically the ones that TOG listed.

[TOG@Toil]

That reminds me - on the way to work today, I pulled up at the lights
alongside a copper on a new police-spec Honda VFR1200. First one I've
seen in police trim. So I flipped up my visor and asked about it. The
Special Escort Group (convoy work, escorting VIPs, etc) have ordered
32 of them, apparently.

"Any good?" I asked, curiously.

"Absolutely horrible! It's uncomfortable, and..."

At that point the lights changed and we moved off, but I got the
feeling he was just starting on a long list of things he didn't like
about it.

[krusty kritter]

On May 9, 2:00 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Out of curiosity, why do you attack people for posting on Usenet
> through pseudonyms? Virtually everyone on Usenet uses a pseudonym of
> some sort.

The hypocrisy of that statement is absolutely incredible after you've
spent so much time pointing out every time I've changed my nickname
in various groups!

[KKHS]

On May 8, 11:47 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On May 8, 3:08 pm, KKHS <krustykritterharryspra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 2:19 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>
> > Gentleman) wrote:
> > > "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> > > > To satisfy your curiosity, I remembered reading these in the past.
>
> > > <Snip>
>
> > > "I read it on the internet, so it must be true."
>
> > Geez, TOG.   The same thing, with photos, has been published in Cycle
> > World magazine, Motorcyclist magazine, and Rider magazine.   Perhaps
> > just because YOU haven't PERSONNALY seen such police bike doesn't
> > constitute PROOF that they don't exist?
>
> >http://www.bike-parts-honda.com/moto-honda-identification-NT650V5-672...
>
> I never said they *didn't* exist. What are you, some kind of Sherman/
> Calgary can't-read lookalike? I'm just disputing that they are in
> widespread use by half the police forces in Europe. Or, to put it
> another way, I have not seen one in the UK, France, Spain, Italy,
> Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands, all of which are countries I've
> travelled in or through in the last few years.

> Now stop shouting and wind your silly neck in.

Funny how funny you are when I've been away for awhile. Thanks for
the smiles.

[KKHS]

Of course one does not have to be wrong to be acting like a jerk.

[KKHS]

Well, we've matched most of your nicknames to your real name, Harry,
so why don't you just drop the effort entirely?

Tim

[TOG@Toil]

On May 10, 11:54 am, KKHS <krustykritterharryspra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Funny how funny you are when I've been away for awhile.   Thanks for

> the smiles.- Hide quoted text -
>

My pleasure. I'm always amused by the "I read it on the internet so it
must be true" approaches. I mean, there's a generation of
motorcyclists who will tell you until you're blue in the fact that,
for example, the Kawasaki GPZ900R was "the first Japanese water-cooled
four!"

Because they supped greedily at someone else's ignorance.