Who's at fault??
BrianNZ
petrol station to top up with fuel. You open the petrol cap on the tank,
grab the nozzle from the pump and move to insert the nozzle into the
tank.......and petrol comes pouring out before you get close (you
haven't pulled the 'trigger'), covering your tank and instrument cluster.
Then you find out the plastic cover of the instrument cluster isn't
petrol proof and has gone from clear to opaque!!
Both of the attendants say the same thing..."That pump does that sometimes".
This is what happened to a mate last week. I reckon he should have a go
at the servo to get a replacement plastic cover. Surely petrol should
not be coming out until you have pulled the trigger on the nozzle? A
health and safety problem at least.?
Sean_Q_
petrol proof and has gone from clear to opaque!!
>
> Both of the attendants say the same thing..."That pump does that
> sometimes".
Get the names of those attendants. Then call the National
Transportation Safety Board (or equivalent) and make waves.
Also call the fuel company and the newspapers and the Consumer
Protection Dept and the Ministry of the Environment and any
other department that could remotely have any jurisdiction.
Then file an accident report with the police and the bike's
insurance company and Motor Vehicles and sue for damage
compensation in small claims court. Throw around some phrases
like "negligence" and "duty of care" and "reckless endangerment"
and "knowingly disregarded" and so on. Take the bike to a repair
shop and get an estimate. Generate lots of paperwork. Make trouble.
SQ
'06 Zuk S40 / '85 Dnepr MT-11 / the usual basket cases
S'mee
Don't forget to be sacharine sweet adn nice the whole time...not
reasonable, but nice. It'll do your friend good to remember that...
don (Calgary)
Let them know unless this Heresy is immediately stopped it would be
like condoning incest and will lead to anarchy!
Mark Olson
Around here, gasoline pumps store their nozzles pointing up. If you
don't drain the nozzle completely before putting it back in the pump,
the first time you tip it downward, gas will come out. I don't see
how you can prevent that other than by making sure to keep the nozzle
away from anything you don't want splashed with gas.
If you're talking about a different problem, by all means the weights
and measures or health and safety folks should have a look and if the
pump is defective the station should cough up.
The Older Gentleman
> I reckon he should have a go
> at the servo to get a replacement plastic cover.
I reckon he should have a go at Ducati's warranty department.
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The Older Gentleman
don (Calgary)
Older Gentleman) wrote:
>don (Calgary) <hd....@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:19:25 -0800, Sean_Q_ <no....@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>> >BrianNZ wrote:
>> > petrol proof and has gone from clear to opaque!!
>> >>
>> >> Both of the attendants say the same thing..."That pump does that
>> >> sometimes".
>> >
>> >Get the names of those attendants. Then call the National
>> >Transportation Safety Board (or equivalent) and make waves.
>> >Also call the fuel company and the newspapers and the Consumer
>> >Protection Dept and the Ministry of the Environment and any
>> >other department that could remotely have any jurisdiction.
>> >Then file an accident report with the police and the bike's
>> >insurance company and Motor Vehicles and sue for damage
>> >compensation in small claims court. Throw around some phrases
>> >like "negligence" and "duty of care" and "reckless endangerment"
>> >and "knowingly disregarded" and so on. Take the bike to a repair
>> >shop and get an estimate. Generate lots of paperwork. Make trouble.
>> >
>> Let them know unless this Heresy is immediately stopped it would be
>> like condoning incest and will lead to anarchy!
>
>Thought so.
*sigh*
It was a joke. Don't take it personally.
S'mee
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:25:02 +0000, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The
>
>
>
>
>
> Older Gentleman) wrote:
> >don (Calgary) <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:19:25 -0800, Sean_Q_ <no.s...@no.spam> wrote:
>
> >> >BrianNZ wrote:
> >> > petrol proof and has gone from clear to opaque!!
>
> >> >> Both of the attendants say the same thing..."That pump does that
> >> >> sometimes".
>
> >> >Get the names of those attendants. Then call the National
> >> >Transportation Safety Board (or equivalent) and make waves.
> >> >Also call the fuel company and the newspapers and the Consumer
> >> >Protection Dept and the Ministry of the Environment and any
> >> >other department that could remotely have any jurisdiction.
> >> >Then file an accident report with the police and the bike's
> >> >insurance company and Motor Vehicles and sue for damage
> >> >compensation in small claims court. Throw around some phrases
> >> >like "negligence" and "duty of care" and "reckless endangerment"
> >> >and "knowingly disregarded" and so on. Take the bike to a repair
> >> >shop and get an estimate. Generate lots of paperwork. Make trouble.
>
> >> Let them know unless this Heresy is immediately stopped it would be
> >> like condoning incest and will lead to anarchy!
>
> >Thought so.
>
> *sigh*
>
> It was a joke. Don't take it personally.
He was just saying that what he thought was confirmed as true by your
statement...anyway who cares. Motorcyclists shouldn't have to put up
with this sort of thing ever.
Road Glidin' Don
Gentleman) wrote:
> BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
> > I reckon he should have a go
> > at the servo to get a replacement plastic cover.
>
> I reckon he should have a go at Ducati's warranty department.
Yeah, it's not the fault of the gas station, as Mark explained. I
always approach the fill tube of the tank with the hose nozzle from
the pump point upward, to avoid that sort of thing. If Brian's friend
doesn't know you should take that precaution, he does now.
Vito
"Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote
| BrianNZ wrote:
| > Youv'e just brought a new Ducati Streetfighter and you pull into a
| > petrol station to top up with fuel. You open the petrol cap on the tank,
| > grab the nozzle from the pump and move to insert the nozzle into the
| > tank.......and petrol comes pouring out before you get close (you
| > haven't pulled the 'trigger'), covering your tank and instrument
cluster.
|
| don't drain the nozzle completely before putting it back in the pump,
Which is why I have a habit of shaking the nozzle at the ground before
putting it near my tank - a left over from paints that didn't resist petrol
well either. If I forgot and dumped some on my tank I'd blame myself for
forgetting the drill. OTOH Brian has my sympathy.
Robert Bolton
A lesson learned, though expensive. This link indicates pumps are
similar as here.
http://www.pec.co.nz/about.aspx
Robert
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George Bush. Also Dick Cheney.
Next question ?
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> George Bush. Also Dick Cheney.
>
> Next question ?
Bzzzzzt!
So outdated. Global Warming must have something to do with it.
BrianNZ
Nozzles are stored upright here as well but I've never had pertolr come
out before the trigger is pulled.
Maybe I've just been lucky or NZers don't generally hang up the nozzle
until every last drop has been squeezed from the hose.?
I'll find out more details this week......
BrianNZ
I would have blamed the French......or Greenpeace.......
Next question.....If your boat is in international waters and flying the
'Jolly Roger' (Black flag with white skull'n'crossed bones) should you
be treated as a pirate ship?
Stephen Cowell
"BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote
> Maybe I've just been lucky or NZers don't generally hang up the nozzle
> until every last drop has been squeezed from the hose.?
My own personal method... treat the nozzle as if it's
full of fluid when you first grab it (I thought *all* motor-
cyclists did this?) until you tip it into the tank... then,
after dispensing, reach over, trip the nozzle sensor,
then finish up by draining the hose and nozzle.
This is environmentally friendly too... not necessary
in California, where there's an auto suck-back designed
in (plus vapor exchange).
__
Steve
.
Eiron
> after dispensing, reach over, trip the nozzle sensor,
Could you please elaborate for the benefit of the right-pondians?
--
Eiron.
Mark Olson
You know what a foreskin is, I take it?
Mark Olson
Whoops a bit too quick on the send button.
" California is the most inane of all the states. You have this
spring loaded cover over the nozzle that acts like some sort of
technological foreskin that makes the whole process of insertion
an absolute nightmare. By the time you�re done following all the
steps of hitting this button and that and learning the delicate
balance of not pumping too fast as to avoid shutting the system
down you are pretty emotionally drained."
Stephen Cowell
"Eiron" <E1...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>> after dispensing, reach over, trip the nozzle sensor,
>
> Could you please elaborate for the benefit of the right-pondians?
This is the *non*-Californian nozzle... when you put it
back in the pump, there's a switch, right? It either senses
the handle, or the nozzle, going home. Simply trigger that
switch by hand to turn off the pump, then drain the nozzle
and hose. To actually *lift* the hose is chavish and gauche.
"Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote
> " California is the most inane of all the states. You have this
> spring loaded cover over the nozzle that acts like some sort of
> technological foreskin that makes the whole process of insertion
> an absolute nightmare. By the time you're done following all the
> steps of hitting this button and that and learning the delicate
> balance of not pumping too fast as to avoid shutting the system
> down you are pretty emotionally drained."
I have *no* experience with California nozzles... so I'm
guessing that if you can pump too fast a restrictor needs
to be installed. More poor implementation of a good
concept.
__
Steve
.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
GW was caused by Bush and Cheney :-)
Also I think Ashcroft was in on it.
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
No - you should be treated as a coral reef - carefully left
alone to grow on the ocean floor, making a nice home for the little
fishies and things.
BrianNZ
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:32:36 +1300, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>>> George Bush. Also Dick Cheney.
>>>
>>> Next question ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would have blamed the French......or Greenpeace.......
>>
>> Next question.....If your boat is in international waters and flying the
>> 'Jolly Roger' (Black flag with white skull'n'crossed bones) should you
>> be treated as a pirate ship?
>
> No - you should be treated as a coral reef - carefully left
> alone to grow on the ocean floor, making a nice home for the little
> fishies and things.
>
>
Agreed. Sink the Sea Shepard terrorists!! :)
Twibil
>
>
> Next question.....If your boat is in international waters and flying the
> 'Jolly Roger' (Black flag with white skull'n'crossed bones) should you
> be treated as a pirate ship?
Better not. Half the yachts off of Southern California fly the Jolly
Roger on any given weekend.
Some of 'em belong to entertainment industry weasels, a few to oil
millionaires, and the rest belong to divorce lawyers.
RUN AWAY!
Robert Bolton
I don't see it every time, but it's not unusual here to have a few
drops trickle out, or even maybe as much as 1/8cup/30ml?
A couple times I've grabbed the nozzle off the pump to find the
previous user had left the nozzle open with the trip lever set, in
effect setting someone up to spray fuel all over when they select
their fuel type (regular, mid, or super).
I've always caught that myself, but a dozen years ago I saw a guy
spray fuel all over his car. He was acting pretty awkward, with the
hose draped over his shoulder, thus placing the nozzle behind his
back, when he turned on the pump and sprayed fuel all over the place.
He came into the office where I happened to be, yelling at an employee
and demanding money for a car wash. The employee declined. Who knows
if someone played a joke on him of if he accidentally opened the
nozzle himself?
I don't know myself, but I wonder if more modern pumps may look for
the proper configuration (pump engaged, nozzle valve closed) before
acutely permitting fuel to flow on Valve Open (if that makes sense).
Robert
BrianNZ
Sink them as well then, and keep any captured booty! It may seem cute to
them to show their 'outlaw' side....they need reminding what that flag
means. A bit like making your own Hells Angels patch and wearing it but
when confronted by Bandito's say 'I'm not really a Hells Angel, I just
wanted the 'respect' the colours give.....'
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>Twibil wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 9:32 am, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>>>
>>> Next question.....If your boat is in international waters and flying the
>>> 'Jolly Roger' (Black flag with white skull'n'crossed bones) should you
>>> be treated as a pirate ship?
>>
>> Better not. Half the yachts off of Southern California fly the Jolly
>> Roger on any given weekend.
Butt pirates ?
>>
>> Some of 'em belong to entertainment industry weasels, a few to oil
>> millionaires, and the rest belong to divorce lawyers.
>>
>> RUN AWAY!
>>
>
>Sink them as well then, and keep any captured booty!
Ummm.... after they're done with it, the butt-pirates can
pretty much keep it ....
>
It may seem cute to
>them to show their 'outlaw' side....they need reminding what that flag
>means. A bit like making your own Hells Angels patch and wearing it but
>when confronted by Bandito's say 'I'm not really a Hells Angel, I just
>wanted the 'respect' the colours give.....'
Not to mention the fine opportunity to check out the 'full
coverage' clauses in your hospital insurance policy :-)
BrianNZ
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:37:19 +1300, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Twibil wrote:
>>> On Jan 3, 9:32 am, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> Next question.....If your boat is in international waters and flying the
>>>> 'Jolly Roger' (Black flag with white skull'n'crossed bones) should you
>>>> be treated as a pirate ship?
>>> Better not. Half the yachts off of Southern California fly the Jolly
>>> Roger on any given weekend.
>
> Butt pirates ?
A 'gay' signal......hadn't thought of that......(alls pure to the pure?)
>
>>> Some of 'em belong to entertainment industry weasels, a few to oil
>>> millionaires, and the rest belong to divorce lawyers.
>>>
>>> RUN AWAY!
>>>
>> Sink them as well then, and keep any captured booty!
>
> Ummm.... after they're done with it, the butt-pirates can
> pretty much keep it ....
I'll change 'booty' to 'loot' then.
>
> It may seem cute to
>> them to show their 'outlaw' side....they need reminding what that flag
>> means. A bit like making your own Hells Angels patch and wearing it but
>> when confronted by Bandito's say 'I'm not really a Hells Angel, I just
>> wanted the 'respect' the colours give.....'
>
> Not to mention the fine opportunity to check out the 'full
> coverage' clauses in your hospital insurance policy :-)
>
>
No insurance, they showed their colours so it was an act of war!
Sean_Q_
> Agreed. Sink the Sea Shepard terrorists!! :)
Amen to that. Paul Watson is a national embarrassment
to Canada. I'm convinced he's in the pay of Big Industry
with the agenda of discrediting the ecology movement.
SQ
Sean_Q_
> A bit like making your own Hells Angels patch and wearing it but
> when confronted by Bandito's
I'd also be nervous about being confronted by genuine HA's while
falsely wearing their colors.
SQ
.p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com
Only VERY briefly ( would you be nervous ) :-)
>
>SQ
S'mee
> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:32:36 +1300, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >> .p.jm.@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> >>> George Bush. Also Dick Cheney.
>
> >>> Next question ?
>
> >> I would have blamed the French......or Greenpeace.......
>
> >> Next question.....If your boat is in international waters and flying the
> >> 'Jolly Roger' (Black flag with white skull'n'crossed bones) should you
> >> be treated as a pirate ship?
>
> > No - you should be treated as a coral reef - carefully left
> > alone to grow on the ocean floor, making a nice home for the little
> > fishies and things.
>
> Agreed. Sink the Sea Shepard terrorists!! :)
and then the japanese eco-terrorists murdering innocent whales. ;^)
S'mee
AH HA! Prime territory to go pirate hunting! Sink on sight! It's for
the children!
BrianNZ
Hey, in some countries cows are sacred....that wouldn't fit well in a
'burger culture' like the US of A. Each to their own.......
The Sea Shepard crowd are as sane as the abortion clinic bombers.
Prepared to kill to save.........
BrianNZ
And so the 'pirates' should be scared when confronted by the
anti-pirates. :)
Beav
"BrianNZ" <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
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> Youv'e just brought a new Ducati Streetfighter and you pull into a petrol
> station to top up with fuel. You open the petrol cap on the tank, grab the
> nozzle from the pump and move to insert the nozzle into the tank.......and
> petrol comes pouring out before you get close (you haven't pulled the
> 'trigger'), covering your tank and instrument cluster.
>
> Then you find out the plastic cover of the instrument cluster isn't petrol
> proof and has gone from clear to opaque!!
>
> Both of the attendants say the same thing..."That pump does that
> sometimes".
>
> This is what happened to a mate last week. I reckon he should have a go at
> the servo to get a replacement plastic cover. Surely petrol should not be
> coming out until you have pulled the trigger on the nozzle? A health and
> safety problem at least.?
I'd be after the servo to put things right for sure. Apart from that pump
being over zealous with its distribution of tit, it's bloody dangerous.
--
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Beav
"Mark Olson" <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote in message
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Surely not.
Fraser Johnston
After watching Whale Wars I figure that they will sink themselves in short
order. Playing chicken with the Japanese factory ship isn't a bright idea.
Fraser
Vito
"Fraser Johnston" <ftr...@iinet.net.au> wrote
| After watching Whale Wars I figure that they will sink themselves in short
| order. Playing chicken with the Japanese factory ship isn't a bright
idea.
|
Rob Kleinschmidt
It's not really a whaler. They say they're only killing
the whales for scientific research.
Twibil
>
>
> It's not really a whaler. They say they're only killing
> the whales for scientific research.
Yup.
The fact that they sell the "research" whale meat on the open market
for sky-high prices (prices high enough to support the entire "non-
whaling" effort and still return a healthy profit) is mere
coincidence.
Sink the bastards.
Rob Kleinschmidt
Yup.
Sink 'em for hypocrisy if nothing else.
Fraser Johnston
"Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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There is ONE count em ONE japanese whaling ship. All they need is a couple of
guys with rebreathers and shaped charges and whaling stops until they can build
a new one or repair it. They could probably get the guys who did the Rainbow
warrior job in the most ironic bombing ever. Considering what it must cost to
send 3 ships to the southern ocean it would make a lot more sense to just sink
the factory ship. And it would be a hell of a lot more effective.
Fraser
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