Muslim Invasion, brief video on demographics (off topic)
climber
Federals allowing about 100K muslims a year to enter USA.
I dispute one concept that of needing more population. Years ago
scholars suggested ideal USA population at 200 million. Now it's
306 million. Obviously, a moritorium on legal immigration is mandated.
Then deportation of illegal aliens. Step up industrial production via
new technologies, America prospers.
Climber
Bob Myers
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpQDFhwUjDE
>
> Federals allowing about 100K muslims a year to enter USA.
>
So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
> I dispute one concept that of needing more population. Years ago
> scholars suggested ideal USA population at 200 million. Now it's
> 306 million.
Again - so what? On what do you base a judgement of "ideal"?
What factors contribute to that? Further, while we've obviously
seen population growth since the population was actually AT
200 million - are we expecting to see continued growth at that
rate (with or without immigration) or not?
> Obviously, a moritorium on legal immigration is mandated.
That is not "obvious" at all, not without consideration of a good
many other factors including the questions raised above.
> Then deportation of illegal aliens.
And the expected impact of that step on our economy
would be - what, exactly? Have you looked at this?
> Step up industrial production via
> new technologies, America prospers.
In which industries, specifically, would you expect to see
production stepped up, and how? What period of time do
you expect will be required to see a significant change in production
through this process? Do you have evidence suggesting that
more, or at least more efficient, production is needed in the
target industries you have in mind? To what degree does the
basic cost and availability of labor, both skilled and unskilled,
enter into this?
Or are you just oversimplifying both the problem and possible
solutions?
Bob M.
climber
I agree that depth exploration of my posting should be done by
doubters.
Economics. I believe it was around 1970 when the very small
Peoples Republic of Germany ranked #8 among industrialized
nations. (In spite of the dead end of socialism)
Removing illegal aliens and limiting legal immigration would
initiate a most creative and productive economy. Labor-saving
devices would proliferate. There is no such labor that Americans
cannot and would not perform. Consider WW2 with at least 2
million in the military, we harvested the crops and ran the
factories. As to hispanic illegal aliens their costs to society
are enormous.
Thanks for your interest and comments. Perhaps new economic
systems might emerge that are more efficient. I just glanced
at Third Positon politics and I will revisit very soon. A main
factor in my position is the environment. If we can't control
population growth then disaster.
Climber
S'mee
None of this would have been a problem if we'd have kept out the
cursed puritans and irish...not to mention all those fucking papists.
S'mee
Intrest? INTREST people like you ARE the problem, Col. Colt had the
solution.
Dumb ass trolls like you aren't smart enough to keep up with mensa or
motorcyclists...go hang out with your aryan nation butt buddies and
your nazi cock sucking friends, they seem more your speed and
intellectual level.
Gray Ghost
@usenet01.boi.hp.com:
> So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout Christians
(not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how many
mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
You are obsolete.
--
�Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel
of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.� Winston
Churchill
climber
Why are you stamping your feet? Are you a child, a spoiled one?
Perhaps a closet type trying to assert your "macho". Bet your wife, if
you have one, loves you because you are the "Blowhard of the County",
but enjoys watching you do household chores.
Climber
o
staten
On Nov 20, 3:34 pm, "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote:
> climber wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpQDFhwUjDE
>
> > Federals allowing about 100K muslims a year to enter USA.
>
> So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
Nasty Christians? Terrorism to America has been brought not by
Christians, Hindus or Chenese but by Muslims and Muslims only.
Muslims are a big pain in the ass for all countries which have been
foolish enough to let Muslims in as immigrants. Look what Muslims have
done to Europe. Europeans today live like hostages in their own
cities. They are scared to display their national flags. They are
scared to draw not approved by Muslims cartoons. They are scared to
say anything against Muslims. What kind of "freedom" is that?
> > Then deportation of illegal aliens.
>
> And the expected impact of that step on our economy
> would be - what, exactly? Have you looked at this?
If Muslims are expelled it's going to be a great relief, not impact ,
for everybody. No one needs these conspiring, plotting , hate spewing
parasites contributing absolutely nothing to economies of any
countries, but just multiplying like mosquitos and parasiting on their
hosts' treasure.
S'mee
Actually numb nuts I was at the sharp pointy deadly end of your
defense. You lot are the problem. I suggest you leave the country and
never return your kind aren't wanted nor needed. As for the blow
hard...obviously you aren't smart enough to realize it's better to
knock out a few ear drums that evacuate a few skulls. A smart man gets
the most done for the least effort and thorwing your dead corpse on a
a slow boat to europe or china is more work than just kicking you lot
out.
S'mee
wrote:
> "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
> > So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> > do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout Christians
> (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how many
> mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
Gee I dunnow the aushwitz comes to mind as does many other cases like
the crusades.
> You are obsolete.
No actually he isn't people with your fucked up mentality are otoh not
just obsoleate but you've been pointless since our speicies first
walked upright.
pravda
I don't subscribe to these newsgroups but am sending on the
text because it was part of the original distro. My usenet
providers do not permit extensive crossposting. I am
completely skipping the last two newsgroups that * US *
included.
==================================================================
* US * wrote:
> How about those things the Christian Serbs did to Muslims? Goes
> to show rape and burning others to death never really went out of
> fashion with those trendy Christians.
>
> Islam looks like a real easy scapegoat, especially since there are
> some real powerful Christians who want all that oil for themselves,
> today. They all seem to be right in line, doing what they're told,
> and will march over the bodies of babies they've slain, as ordered.
> The Bush/Cheney attacks on the USA, Afghanistan and Iraq
> are terrorist war crimes. Bush has claimed to be "born again"
> as a Christian and that God speaks through him.
>
> Bush/Cheney terrorism has killed a million or so innocent people,
> now, in a scant five years, but for some reason the bushkultie is
> unable to count the world's worst current war crime as such.
>
> The anthrax terrorists have still never been caught, and won't be,
> any sooner than those of 9/11.
****
Espousing the wonder of your personal god, Allah, in public?
Allah is angry with you for being truthful about your beliefs.
****
> Why would anyone imagine that the illegal invasions of Iraq or of
> Afghanistan had overwhelmed anyone other than the USA?
****
Why aren't you upset by the execution of your brother Saddam
and his sons? Is this an admission that there might be evil
among Muslims?
****
> Christian Scripture, "The Holy Bible" [KJV]:
>
> Exodus c 22 v 18
> "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
>
> Exodus c 22 v 20
> "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall
be utterly
> destroyed."
>
> Deuteronomy c 7 v 2
> "the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite
them, and
> utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show
mercy unto
> them"
>
> Deuteronomy c 7 v 24
> "and thou shalt destroy their name from under heaven: there shall no
man be able
> to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them."
>
> Deuteronomy c 9 v 3
> "so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD
hath said
> unto thee."
>
> Deuteronomy c 12 v 1-2
> "These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do
in the land,
> which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the
days that
> ye live upon the earth.
> Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye
shall
> possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the
hills, and
> under every green tree"
>
> Joshua c 12 v 1
> "the kings of the land, which the children of Israel smote"
>
> Joshua c 12 v 6
> "Moses the servant of the LORD and the children of Israel smite"
>
> Joshua c 12 v 7
> "Joshua and the children of Israel smote"
>
> 2 Samuel 11 v 1
> "they destroyed the children of Ammon"
>
> 1st Kings c 15 v 3
> "utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay
both man and
> woman, infant and suckling"
>
> 1st Kings c 15 v 18
> "And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly
destroy the
> sinners [...] and fight against them until they be consumed.
>
> 1st Kings c 15 v 20
> "I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the
LORD sent
> me [...] and have utterly destroyed "
>
> 1st Kings c 15 v 33
> "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD."
>
> 1st Kings c 23 v 2
> "the LORD said unto David, Go, and smite"
>
> 2 Chronicles c 24 v 21
> "they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the
commandment of
> the king in the court of the house of the LORD."
>
> Esther c 9 v 5
> "the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and
slaughter,
> and destruction, and did what they would"
>
> Esther c 9 v 6
> "the Jews slew and destroyed"
>
> Esther c 9 v 16
> "slew of their foes seventy and five thousand"
>
> Psalms c 110 v 5-6
> "The Lord at thy right hand
> shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
> He shall judge among the heathen,
> he shall fill the places with the dead bodies;
> he shall wound the heads over many countries."
>
> Isaiah c 34 v 2-3
> "the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon
all their
> armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the
slaughter.
> Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out
of their
> carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood."
>
> Isaiah c 34 v 6
> "The sword of the LORD is filled with blood"
>
> Isaiah c 34 v 7
> "their land shall be soaked with blood"
>
> Jeremiah c 16 v 3-4
> "thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
that are
> born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them, and
concerning
> their fathers that begat them in this land;
> They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented;
neither shall
> they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
and they
> shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
shall be meat
> for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth."
>
> Jeremiah c 33 v 4-5
> "thus saith the LORD ... it is to fill them with the dead bodies of
men, whom I
> have slain in mine anger and in my fury"
>
> Ezekiel c 6 v 3-5
> "Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains and to the hills, to the
rivers and to
> the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I
will destroy
> your high places."
> "I will cast down your slain"
> "... the dead carcasses of the children ..."
>
> Ezekiel c 6 v 7
> "the slain shall fall in the midst of you, and ye shall know that I
am the LORD"
>
> Ezekiel c 6 v 10
> "they shall know that I am the LORD, and that I have not said in vain
that I
> would do this evil unto them"
>
> Amos c 8 v 3
> "saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place"
****
All old testament, parts of the Jewish holy book saved for
comparison, not current teachings. But a Muslim such as
yourself doesn't understand anything of Christianity.
****
> James c 4 v 1-5
> "From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence,
even of
> your lusts that war in your members?
> Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot
obtain: ye fight
> and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
> Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it
upon your
> lusts.
> Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of
the world is
> enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is
the enemy
> of God."
> Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain, The spirit that
dwelleth in us
> lusteth to envy?"
>
> Now, to be fair, this correspondent does not intend to
> imply that all those who call themselves "Christians"
> would interpret the writings they consider holy in more
> literal rather than figurative ways.
****
Really? The why do you cite the biblical passages as such?
And why did you stop reading the only New Testament citation
where you did? In the close of your cited James chapter 4
the text reads, "16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings:
all such rejoicing is evil. 17 Therefore to him that
knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
It seems you don't actually know to do good.
****
> It is not apparent
> that any significant number of the self-proclaimed
> "Christians" have actually given their scriptures
> all that much of a glance, much less abided to the
> letter by the content thereof. A lot of controversy goes
> on about the real meanings of such literature, among
> the greatest scholars of it. Languages of antiquity
> aren't always fully understood at best. Now, if I can
> accept that an old text cited as significant by some
> religious group may not represent the beliefs or the
> behaviors of the members of that group in general,
> can I not extend that assessment to other religions?
****
Not when their current behavior indicates they are following
the literal words of the text.
****
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
****
I looked at it. I am unimpressed. I went to school with
a Pakistani Muslim boy who had no thumbs, nor did any
member of his family. They had all been hung by their
thumbs for days in days of political unrest in Pakistan.
He was a child. What did he know of politics? So don't
talk to me about how sane and honorable your people are.
I'm probably not going to bother sparring with you. You
ought to know that I am not considered a Christian by
most believers. Therein lies the difference. So long as
anyone professes a belief in Allah you consider that person
a true Muslim. Let me clue you in. Islamists are not true
Muslims. The sooner you accept, and the sooner you profess
that in public, the sooner the world can find peace from
your sort. Clean your own house before you try to clean
the houses of others.
****
Gray Ghost
news:ca378fde-d41b-4e67...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
> On Nov 20, 10:40�pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> wrote:
>> "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
>> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>>
>> > So what? �How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
>> > do we get each year? �Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>>
>> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout
>> Christians (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier
>> hate) and how many mass killings have Christians done in the name of
>> God?
>
> Gee I dunnow the aushwitz comes to mind as does many other cases like
> the crusades.
Aushwitz was not a product of Christian thought dumbass.
>> You are obsolete.
>
> No actually he isn't people with your fucked up mentality are otoh not
> just obsoleate but you've been pointless since our speicies first
> walked upright.
When can I expect you to start exterminating us, then?
Gray Ghost
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:40:58 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
> (Gulping Goober) wrote:
>
>>"Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in
>>news:he6ugg$96e$1...@usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>>>... Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>>> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>>
>>Really? ...
>
> Yes. Try pulling your head out and having a look sometime,
> if you're not too frightened:
>
> Christianity is a religion of atrocities throughout its history.
>
> It's yet another myth-based system used to harm others.
>
> Terrorism attacks go along with all of Judeo-Christian
> history and continue to the present.
>
> A Vastly Abridged History of Major Christian Atrocities:
>
> 4th century AD: the first Christian Roman Emperor, Constantine,
> executed over 3000 Christians (more than killed in Rome to date),
> because they didn't agree with him on the meaning of scripture.
>
> 8th century AD: the Christian Charlemagne beheaded 4500 Saxons
> in a single morning, because they refused to convert to Christianity.
> Holy Roman, Emperor!
>
> 12th century AD: the Christian Crusaders decided they wanted to
> have Jerusalem for themselves, slaughtering the men, women, and
> children there until their horses were up to their knees in blood.
>
> 12-15th century AD, Christians had themselves an Inquisition, in
> which they tortured and killed other Christians (the Albigensian
> Heresies), Jews, Muslims, Homosexuals, literate folks, women
> who spoke up, and finally anybody Isabella didn't like. They
> were remarkably inventive with torture methods and must
> have really loved the sound of agonized screams and the
> smell of burning human flesh.
>
> Christian Britain killed 30,000 witches, but Christian Germany,
> not to be outdone, killed 100,000.
>
> Vlad the Impaler was a Christian knight.
>
> 16th century AD, Christians debated at length about whether
> or not Native Americans were actually human, descended of
> Adam and Eve, ie born guilty.
>
> "When the Pequots resisted the migration of settlers into the
> Connecticut Valley, a party of Puritans surrounded the Pequot
> village and set fire to it ... Cotton Mather was grateful to the Lord
> that 'on this day we have sent six hundred heathen souls to hell.'"
>
> "The Red race has disappeared from the Atlantic Coast: the tribes
> that resisted civilization, met extinction. For my part, I cannot murmur
> at which seems to be the effect of divine law ..." said Senator Thomas
> Hart Benton of Missouri, in 1846, even though even the ones who'd
> become Christians among the '5 civilized tribes' had also recently
> been evicted from their homes and farms and sent to Oklahoma.
>
> The terrorist massacre of Rosewood Florida in 1923 represents a trend
> of Christian terrorism against innocent people which includes many
> lynchings as well as mass murders.
>
> Of course, all the way to more recent history, the Christian Catholics
> and Christian Protestants have only stopped attacking each other
> long enough to go after the non-Christians.
>
> Guess who's quoted below:
>
> "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
>
> "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of
> the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
> for the work of the Lord."
>
> "I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a
> warrior"
>
> If you guessed "Adolf Hitler", you guessed right.
>
> How about those things the Christian Serbs did to Muslims? Goes
> to show rape and burning others to death never really went out of
> fashion with those trendy Christians.
>
> Islam looks like a real easy scapegoat, especially since there are
> some real powerful Christians who want all that oil for themselves,
> today. They all seem to be right in line, doing what they're told,
> and will march over the bodies of babies they've slain, as ordered.
> The Bush/Cheney attacks on the USA, Afghanistan and Iraq
> are terrorist war crimes. Bush has claimed to be "born again"
> as a Christian and that God speaks through him.
>
> Bush/Cheney terrorism has killed a million or so innocent people,
> now, in a scant five years, but for some reason the bushkultie is
> unable to count the world's worst current war crime as such.
>
> The anthrax terrorists have still never been caught, and won't be,
> any sooner than those of 9/11.
>
> Why would anyone imagine that the illegal invasions of Iraq or of
> Afghanistan had overwhelmed anyone other than the USA?
>
> "Campaign in Iraq has increased terrorism threat, says American
> intelligence report":
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/25/usa.iraq
>
> See also:
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1011-24.htm
> James c 4 v 1-5
> "From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even
> of your lusts that war in your members?
> Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye
> fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
> Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it
> upon your lusts.
> Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the
> world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the
> world is the enemy of God."
> Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in
> us lusteth to envy?"
>
> Now, to be fair, this correspondent does not intend to
> imply that all those who call themselves "Christians"
> would interpret the writings they consider holy in more
> literal rather than figurative ways. It is not apparent
> that any significant number of the self-proclaimed
> "Christians" have actually given their scriptures
> all that much of a glance, much less abided to the
> letter by the content thereof. A lot of controversy goes
> on about the real meanings of such literature, among
> the greatest scholars of it. Languages of antiquity
> aren't always fully understood at best. Now, if I can
> accept that an old text cited as significant by some
> religious group may not represent the beliefs or the
> behaviors of the members of that group in general,
> can I not extend that assessment to other religions?
>
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
>
> "Some people have too much freedom."
> ~George W. Bush, self-proclaimed 'Born-Again Christian',
> wallowing in money, drugs, oil and blood, yet wanting more
>
> "There ought to be limits to freedom."
> ~George W. Bush, self-proclaimed 'Born-Again Christian',
> wallowing in money, drugs, oil and blood, yet wanting more
>
> http://www.gwbush.com/oindex.htm
> http://www.bushwatch.net/family.htm
> http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm
> http://www.bushwatch.net/bushcoke.htm
> http://www.tpj.org/reports/gusher/profiteers.html
> http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/bodies.html
> http://www.bobharris.com/scoop/bushcocaine.htm
> http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html
> http://www.mbpolitics.com/bush2000/BushDealtCoke.htm
> http://w.egroups.com/group/alaskagreenparty/message/565
> http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Smith030101/smith030101.html
> http://www.totse.com/en/politics/central_intelligence_agency/clinton....
> http://cgi.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/family.html
> http://mysite.users2.50megs.com/conspiracy/bushcocaine.html
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,19815,00.html
> http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0001a/fortunateson.html
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a382cd5c874af.htm
> http://www.devvy.com/reed_19990909.html
> http://www.dcia.com/clinton.html
> http://www.dcia.com/bcci.html
>
Comprehension problems?
Stephen Cowell
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote
> "Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote
...
>> So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
>> do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout Christians
Hugenots, anyone?
> (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how
> many
> mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
Beyond the Crusades? Well, I've already mentioned the
persecution of the Hugenots... does the Duke of Alba
ring a bell? He sure does in Holland. Who was it that
killed all the American Indians, anyway?
__
Steve
.
Stephen Cowell
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote
...
> Aushwitz (sic) was not a product of Christian thought dumbass.
Is Western Civilization a product of Christian thought?
__
Steve
.
Stephen Cowell
"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
> Nasty Christians? Terrorism to America has been brought not by
> Christians, Hindus or Chenese but by Muslims and Muslims only.
What was the name of that massacre... Mystic River? 1637?
Christians burned women and children in their teepees.
__
Steve
.
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Unless you are the kind to bear blood gruges throught the centuries, which
would make you no better than the savages, you might try finding something
more recent, like even the last 50 years.
A comparison of Christian inspired terrorism vs Islam inspired terrorism. In
the last 50 years. We are dealing with the here and now are we not?
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Are you a Juhadist?
Yes it would appear Western Civiliazation is a product of Judeo-Chrostian
beleifs. What is your point, that Western civ has more personal freedom and a
higher standard of living than any other civilization in history?
I get it, you are one of those wretches that say if it's not perfect it is an
atrocity. Well in that case when I hear a detail critique of Islam out of you
pie hole I will consider you worth listening to.
Gray Ghost
$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
So you had to go back almost 400 years to find one? What an asshole.
Gray Ghost
> Terrorism attacks go along with all of Judeo-Christian
> history and continue to the present.
Could we have some examples ofr the last 30 years?
staten
<stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote
It's 21st century, wake up!
โอม มณี ปัทเม หุม
<stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What was the name of that massacre... Mystic River? �1637?
> Christians burned women and children in their teepees.
The Pequot War was NOT "Christians vs. Indians" at all.
The English and Dutch colonists had Indian allies and the Indians were
GLAD to see the Pequots killed or deported. One of my relatives owned
a sailing ship that transported the surviving Pequots to bermuda and
the Caribbean to be sold as slaves or traded for more docile Africans.
*us*
wrote:
>Could we have some examples ofr [sic] the last 30 years?
You already got them already: if you weren't subliterate, you'd know that.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:57:31 -0800 (PST), staten <stat...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Nasty Christians?
Indubitably.
Christianity is a religion of atrocities throughout its history.
It's yet another myth-based system used to harm others.
Terrorism attacks go along with all of Judeo-Christian
history and continue to the present.
A Vastly Abridged History of Major Christian Atrocities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/25/usa.iraq
See also:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1011-24.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
>Terrorism to America has been brought
Bush and Cheney are the terrorists.
9/11 was an inside job.
>Muslims
They're not really hiding under your bed.
You know nothing of them.
>... scared ...
>scared ... scared ...
You fear Muslims because you don't know
anything about them.
>... conspiring, plotting , hate spewing
>parasites contributing absolutely nothing to economies ...
You're a leech hoping to steal from others to
harm the helpless, no less, bushfilth.
Jarda
> "S'mee" <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:ca378fde-d41b-4e67...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Nov 20, 10:40�pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>> wrote:
>>> "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
>>> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>>>
>>> > So what? �How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
>>> > do we get each year? �Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>>> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>>>
>>> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout
>>> Christians (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier
>>> hate) and how many mass killings have Christians done in the name of
>>> God?
>>
>> Gee I dunnow the aushwitz comes to mind as does many other cases like
>> the crusades.
>
> Aushwitz was not a product of Christian thought dumbass.
The (Christian) British used concentration camps. Then Lenin reinvented
them. The (Christian) USA used them for the Japanese citizens during WW II
and before that for the Indians as well as in Phillipines.
Before all of those the Russians used them to keep Polish rebels.
Hitler had plenty of inspiration all around. The only extra "comfort" of the
Nazi camps were the furnaces.
Now USA has a concentration camp in Guantanamo. Shouldn't it piss you off
much more then historically remote Auschwitz?
*us*
wrote:
>Could we have some examples ofr [sic] the last 30 years?
You already got them: if you weren't subliterate, you'd know that.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:57:31 -0800 (PST), staten <stat...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Nasty Christians?
Indubitably.
Christianity is a religion of atrocities throughout its history.
It's yet another myth-based system used to harm others.
Terrorism attacks go along with all of Judeo-Christian
history and continue to the present.
A Vastly Abridged History of Major Christian Atrocities:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/sep/25/usa.iraq
See also:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1011-24.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
>Terrorism to America has been brought
Bush and Cheney are the terrorists.
The Older Gentleman
> One of my relatives
*YAWN*
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staten
Hold your breath, Mohammedan. Muslim slavery has begun much, much
earlier than the European's . And as everything Muslim is , it was
conducted in the most ugliest form. Muslim slavery still is
flourishing in Sudan and Mauritania. Are you aware of this fact,
Muslim?
Three major facts about Muslim slavery slavery:
1.Black slavery was not the only slavery in history. The Arabs, Turks,
Indians and even millions of Europeans were also reduced to slavery
during the same period and before, with added dimensions of sex-
slavery and castration. And the perpetrators were Muslims, not
Europeans.
2.Black slaves were not shipped to the New World alone; a greater
number were sent to the Islamic world.
3.Even in trans-Atlantic slave-trade, Muslims were complicit and
played the cruelest role.
Islamic history informs us that Prophet Muhammad himself, armed with
affirmed and reaffirmed divine sanctions (Quran 16:76, 30:28, 16:71,
70:29-30, 23:5-6, 33:50 etc.), initiated Islamic slavery by enslaving
the women and children of a number of Arabian tribes (Quraiza,
Khaybar, Mustaliq and Hawazin etc.). Later, as Islamic power grew in
leaps and bounds, slavery witnessed a tremendous burst on the world
stage. Everywhere Muslims won victory, the women and children of the
vanquished were enslaved in massive numbers: General Musa enslaved
300,000 in his conquest of North Africa in 698 and returned from his
conquest of Spain in 715 with the Caliph's one-fifth share of the
booty that included 30,000 white virgins from the Visigothic nobility
alone, while Sultan Mahmud returned from his invasion of India in 1001-
02 CE with 500,000 enslaved women and children. This is only a tip of
the iceberg.
islamwatch\Islamic slavery is much bigger -great details. Sparing
Islam, the Bigger Culprit.htm
S'mee
point being? Jews kept and raided for slaves and theirs is the
foundation for christianity and islam...murderous, cruel vicious
people they ALL are.
Pious Paul
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCA6F64E2F9We...@216.196.97.142...
> "Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
>> So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
>> do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout Christians
> (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how
> many
> mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
>
> You are obsolete.
Christians are the real killers. They started the whole thing. Even the
Arian Brotherhood and the KKK are Christian organizations
Pious
staten
Well, there were a lot of murderous vicious people in the past, no
doubts. But the fact remains - the Arabs were the first to trade in
slaves. It began long before European slavery. The Quran gave it
legitimacy. Hunting for slaves became part of the Arab way of life.
There was no problem of conscience. They developed the worst forms of
slave trade. Only when the Portuguese and Spanish entered the scene,
the Arab monopoly of the trade was broken.
Next . People did make historical mistakes. The question is; did they
regret? Did they make amends? Yes. Europe did make amends: it gave up
the slave trade. The British were the first to revolt against the
trade. Lincoln fought a bloody civil war to get rid of the trade in
America.
What about the Muslims? Did they regret? Did they make amends? No
way!! They kept slavery it for 1300 years till they were forced out
of it by the Western powers! Nowhere in Islamic literature do we find
a demand for abolition of the trade! Muslim slavery is still thriving
TODAY!
So what are you bubbling about Jews and Christians when the Muslims
still hold and own slaves TODAY! Muslim countries lead in human
trafficking and slavery. Why do you hate to mention this fact , you
disgusting hypocritical fraud?
Gray Ghost
Z9ck4PpXWnZ2...@earthlink.com:
Can you drive with your head so far up your ass?
Stephen Cowell
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote
> "Stephen Cowell" <stephenleeN...@gmail.com> wrote
>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> ...
>>> Aushwitz (sic) was not a product of Christian thought dumbass.
>>
>> Is Western Civilization a product of Christian thought?
>
WTF is that?
> Yes it would appear Western Civiliazation is a product of Judeo-Chrostian
> beleifs. What is your point, that Western civ has more personal freedom
> and a
> higher standard of living than any other civilization in history?
Auschwitz was a product of Western Civilization! Therefore
Auschwitz was a product of Christian Thought, praise be.
> I get it, you are one of those wretches that say if it's not perfect it is
> an
> atrocity. Well in that case when I hear a detail critique of Islam out of
> you
> pie hole I will consider you worth listening to.
Why detailed? It sucks just as hard as Xtianity.
Just another brand of fundamentalism... folks
that think they've got the answer nobody else
has.
__
Steve
.
Stephen Cowell
> We are dealing with the here and now are we not?
Seems to me you're stuck about 1900 years ago,
actually... and based on crap from 600 years before
that. What if Islam does something wonderful in
2200CE? Who's your buddy then?
__
Steve
.
Stephen Cowell
"some fucking squiggles" <macm...@gmail.com> wrote
> <stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
> > > Nasty Christians? Terrorism to America has been brought not by
> > > Christians, Hindus or Chenese but by Muslims and Muslims only.
> >
> > Christians burned women and children in their teepees.
>
> The Pequot War was NOT "Christians vs. Indians" at all.
Who said it was? Full cite, please.
__
Steve
.
*us*
>"Pious Paul" <piou...@gmail.com> wrote in news:suedne-Z9ck4PpXW...@earthlink.com:
>> Christians are the real killers. They started the whole thing. Even the
>> Arian Brotherhood and the KKK are Christian organizations
That's true.
>...ass?
You sure are.
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:40:58 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gulping Goober)
wrote:
>"Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1...@usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>>... Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
>Really? ...
Yes. Try pulling your head out and having a look sometime,
if you're not too frightened:
Christianity is a religion of atrocities throughout its history.
*us*
>... barbarity , savagery and filth ...
Your satanic idols did a real job of that on Fallujah.
>... lying scum. I don't read ...
That was already obvious about you, bushfilth.
Gray Ghost
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:14:39 -0800 (PST), staten idiocy
> <stat...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>...slavery slavery:
>
> The prison system in the USA is the major example today.
>
>
>
>
Is that why you're so bitter, convict?
Gray Ghost
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:36:27 -0600, grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com
> (Gullible Gulper) wrote:
>
>>You wouldn't happen to know where the 75,000 tons of remains are or the
>>millions of grieving families would you?
>
> Iraq.
>
> Put on your Bush t-shirt and go over there to have a look.
As I thought, you are parroting things you've heard that conform to your
distorted view of the world.
>
>>...AVOID civilian
>>casualties.
>
> "Shock and Awe" is terrorism, by definition.
What blithering stupidity, no it isn't. In fact part of the intent is to
minimize casualties.
> Notice all the casualties of journalists, too.
You mean like Daniel Pearl?
staten
<stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
Ghazala, a woman in the Punjab province's Joharabad, was set on fire
by her brother on January 6, 1999. She was murdered because her family
suspected her of having an illicit relationship with a neighbour.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2352436988
5 buried alive 'tradition' - Pakistani pol
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Saturday, August 30th 2008, 10:41 PM
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A Pakistani lawmaker defended a decision by
northwestern tribesmen to bury five women alive because they wanted to
choose their own husbands, telling stunned members of Parliament to
spare him their outrage.
---------------------------------------------
How about that? It's not 1637. It's 21st century! Where is your
outrage?
High Plains Thumper
> (Gulping Goober) wrote:
>>
>>> ... Historically, it's been those nasty Christians who have
>>> stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>>
>> Really? ...
>
> Yes. Try pulling your head out and having a look sometime, if you're
> not too frightened: Christianity is a religion of atrocities
> throughout its history.
This was cross posted to rec.motorcycles. Besides regurgitating the
same waste of bandwidth again, how is this going to help me to be a
better motorcyclist, help fellow motorcyclists, "ride to live and live
to ride"?
Sounds like you are hung up on the past. The past is dead, its gone, no
continued whining will ever change the past. Get over it, do something
useful with your life like help someone, organise an activity with
others involved that will do something truly beneficial for others.
You can effect change for good.
--
HPT
Vito
> Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church excommunicated
Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
Americans. Can another inquisition be far behind? Where is the Unamerican
Activities Committee when we need them?
Stephen Cowell
"staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
> On Nov 21, 12:35 pm, "Stephen Cowell"
> <stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
> >
> > > Nasty Christians? Terrorism to America has been brought not by
> > > Christians, Hindus or Chenese but by Muslims and Muslims only.
> >
> > What was the name of that massacre... Mystic River? 1637?
> > Christians burned women and children in their teepees.
>
> Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Lee_Dugard
__
Steve
.
purple
Are you really Vito?
> "staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
>> Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
>
> Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church excommunicated
> Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
> Americans.
The actual story is below. It would be helpful if you
could learn to stick with the facts rather than making
them up.
If a man decides against the teachings that he states at
his confirmation that he believes and will adhere to,
don't you think that those to whom he offered the vow
are entitled to exclude him to some degree or another?
But then, if Kennedy actually did the right thing,
and left the Catholic Church because he disagrees
with the teachings, he could never have been elected
to congress from Rhode Island!
So as is true of the Kennedy clan in general, he's
corrupt.
> Can another inquisition be far behind?
Shows your complete lack of understanding. Do you
always write stuff just because you think it might
sound cool?
> Where is the Unamerican
> Activities Committee when we need them?
Now we know you for what you are. A complete idiot.
Boston Herald article follows, for posterity.
"Rhode Island�s top Roman Catholic leader issued a
scathing remonstrance of U.S. Rep. Patrick Kennedy
yesterday after his bombshell admission that the
bishop barred him from receiving communion because
of his pro-choice stance.
"'I am disappointed that the Congressman would make
public my pastoral and confidential request of
nearly three years ago that sought to provide
solely for his spiritual well-being,' said Bishop
Thomas Tobin in a strongly worded statement. 'I
have no desire to continue the discussion of
Congressman Kennedy�s spiritual life in public.'
"Added the bishop, 'At the same time, I will
absolutely respond publicly and strongly whenever
he attacks the Catholic Church, misrepresents the
teachings of the Church or issues inaccurate
statements about my pastoral ministry.'
"The bishop�s smackdown came after Kennedy, 42,
told the Providence Journal that Tobin barred
him from receiving communion and instructed
priests not to deliver the sacrament to him
'because of the positions that I�ve taken as
a public official.' Tobin confirmed the order
but fervently denied having discussed it with
anyone other than Kennedy.
"Tobin vowed to 'continue to pray - sincerely
and fervently - for his conversion and
repentance, and for his personal and spiritual
well-being.'
"Tobin also released portions of a February 2007
exchange with the congressman in which he
promised to keep Kennedy�s communion ban
confidential. He said Kennedy had previously
indicated he would no longer discuss his
relationship with the church publicly.
"The Rhode Island congressman has been entangled
in a nasty and public exchange with Tobin over
the church�s support of health-care reform
provisions that would prohibit federal funding
for abortions.
"'I thought they were pro-life. If the Church
is pro-life, then they ought to be for health-
care reform because it�s going to provide
health care that (is) going to keep people
alive,' Kennedy told the Catholic News Service
in October, less than two months after the
death of his father, the late Sen. Edward
M. Kennedy.
"The most recognizable Catholic family in the
nation has a history of clashing with the
church. The late senator�s advocacy of abortion
rights put him in hot water with the church,
but Boston Cardinal Sean O�Malley nonetheless
decided to participate in his funeral, a move
that outraged many in his flock.
"O�Malley defended the decision in his blog,
warning against 'harsh judgments' and writing,
'If any cause is motivated by judgment, anger
or vindictiveness, it will be doomed to
marginalization and failure.'"
Vito
| Vito wrote:
| > "staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
| >> Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
| >
| > Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church
excommunicated
| > Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
| > Americans.
|
| The actual story is below. It would be helpful if you
| could learn to stick with the facts rather than making
| them up.
The fact is the bishop did tell Kennedy to quit taking communion - that
means excommunication.
|
| If a man decides against the teachings that he states at
| his confirmation that he believes and will adhere to,
| don't you think that those to whom he offered the vow
| are entitled to exclude him to some degree or another?
No. It does not matter what Kennedy believes. What matters is that he
swore to uphold the Constitution on the United States. A foreign power -
the Vatican - is punishing him for doing that instead of forwarding their
own wierd adjenda.
|
| But then, if Kennedy actually did the right thing,
| and left the Catholic Church because he disagrees
| with the teachings, he could never have been elected
| to congress from Rhode Island!
Really? One must be catholic to get elected in RI? That's unamerican.
|
| So as is true of the Kennedy clan in general, he's
| corrupt.
That's immaterial. American abortion laws are based on centuries of
jurisprudence tracing back millenia to English Common Law and anglo-saxon
traditions. A foriegn power is trying to replace those laws with their own
doctern. It is no different than Hitler trying to impose Nazism or Stalin
Communisim.
|
| > Can another inquisition be far behind?
|
| Shows your complete lack of understanding. Do you
| always write stuff just because you think it might
| sound cool?
Your personal attack doesn't change the facts.
Those facts are that Kennedy refused to modify proposed American laws to
suit the pope so he was excommunicated. That's the bottom line.
|
| > Where is the Unamerican
| > Activities Committee when we need them?
|
| Now we know you for what you are. A complete idiot.
Were you an alter boy?
staten
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
>
> > Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
>
> Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church excommunicated
> Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
> Americans.
On all Americans? What the fuck are you bubbling about? It is your
personal choice to accept or to reject the Catholicism. No one is
imposing on you anything. The Catholic Church was absolutely right by
excommunicating Patrick Kennedy. If you reject key Catholic canons
you are not a Catholic anymore. Just go for booze and chasing
skirts . This is the only “faith” to what Patrick and his dad were
truly committed to.
>Can another inquisition be far behind? Where is the Unamerican
> Activities Committee when we need them?
Un-American just because Kennedy was barred from receiving communion
for his pro-abortion stance? It's beyond stupid. No comments. Read
Purple's post again , idiot.
staten
<stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
>
> > On Nov 21, 12:35 pm, "Stephen Cowell"
> > <stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
>
> > > > Nasty Christians? Terrorism to America has been brought not by
> > > > Christians, Hindus or Chenese but by Muslims and Muslims only.
>
> > > What was the name of that massacre... Mystic River? 1637?
> > > Christians burned women and children in their teepees.
>
> > Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Jaycee_Lee_Dugard
>
> __
> Steve
> .
Two criminals kidnapped and raped a girl. So, what is your point?
staten
>
> American abortion laws are based on centuries of
> jurisprudence tracing back millenia to English Common Law and >anglo-saxon traditions.
Abortion in the United States has been legal since the 1973.
Man, this guy is such a stupetard!
Vito
"Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
>
> > Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
>
> Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church excommunicated
> Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
> Americans.
[ On all Americans? What the fuck are you bubbling about? It is your
[ personal choice to accept or to reject the Catholicism. No one is
[ imposing on you anything.
Think again. Does the Catholic Church demand laws that define human life as
beginning at conception instead of at quickening - laws that affect
non-catholics. I know you are trying to spin it but that's what this whole
flap is about.
[ Un-American just because Kennedy was barred from receiving communion
[ for his pro-abortion stance? It's beyond stupid. No comments. Read
[ Purple's post again , idiot.
Talk about beyond stupid. Yes it is unamerican bucause is your cult is using
communion as a stick to whip Kennedy and other legislators into backing
unamerican legislation that replaces millenia of anglo-american
jurisprudence with its doctern.
The pope can excommunicate anybody he wants so long as he makes no effort to
impose his theocratic idiocy on others but in this case that is exactly what
they are trying to do. That puts the church in the same club as the nazis
or soviet communists.
Vito
Simple minds demand simple answers so the learned oft seem stupid to them.
I'm sorry you find truth so impossible to fathom.
Abortion was governed in accordance with the Constitution and English Common
Law for centuries. Unfortunately, some states passed laws farther
restricting it. Birth control was also proscribed for decades. This was
corrected when these laws were overthrown by SCotUS in 1973 and, to the
chagrin of the Vatican and its supporters, US law returned to its
traditional jurisprudence. Were you properly educated you'd know that Roe vs
Wade was based on the Constitution and English Common Law instead of
thinking something new happened in 1973.
The prime difference is when human life begins. Anglo-american tradition
says that is at quickening (after the first trimester). Abortion can be,
and in fact is, regulated by the government thereafter. The Vatican
believes human life begins at conception and is trying to impose that notion
on everyone by any means possible. Hitler was a Catholic.
Another difference is the relative value of the mother's life vs that of her
fetus. Anglo-american tradition says that the mother's life comes first.
The Vatican believes that man should not make such a decision and that both
mother and fetus should die if that is their god's will. Again, nobody is
forcing Catholics to get abortions, it is the Vatican that is trying to
force others to obey their doctern. That has ever been their SOP.
purple
I ask again, are you really Vito?
> "purple" <pur...@colorme.com> wrote
> | Vito wrote:
> | > "staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
> | >> Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
> | >
> | > Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church
> excommunicated
> | > Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
> | > Americans.
> |
> | The actual story is below. It would be helpful if you
> | could learn to stick with the facts rather than making
> | them up.
>
> The fact is the bishop did tell Kennedy to quit taking communion - that
> means excommunication.
No it doesn't. Stop being such an idiot and do some
reading on matters you propound.
Here's some simple reading for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunicate
> | If a man decides against the teachings that he states at
> | his confirmation that he believes and will adhere to,
> | don't you think that those to whom he offered the vow
> | are entitled to exclude him to some degree or another?
>
> No. It does not matter what Kennedy believes. What matters is that he
> swore to uphold the Constitution on the United States. A foreign power -
> the Vatican - is punishing him for doing that instead of forwarding their
> own wierd adjenda.
Nonsense. First of all, the Vatican had nothing to do with
this. Secondly, if a man's belief system has the sort of
conflict that's demonstrated in this case, he needs to
voluntarily remove himself from the middle of the conflict
by renouncing one or the other.
And it isn't a weird agenda any more than yours is.
> | But then, if Kennedy actually did the right thing,
> | and left the Catholic Church because he disagrees
> | with the teachings, he could never have been elected
> | to congress from Rhode Island!
>
> Really? One must be catholic to get elected in RI? That's unamerican.
The electorate speaks and you challenge their right to
vote as they wish? Your viewpoint is what's Unamerican.
> | So as is true of the Kennedy clan in general, he's
> | corrupt.
> That's immaterial.
No it isn't.
> American abortion laws are based on centuries of
> jurisprudence tracing back millenia to English Common Law and anglo-saxon
> traditions.
Really? Abortion was banned in the US until SCOTUS spoke
out in Roe v. Wade. Jurisprudence tracing back through
the millenia forbade abortions. Will you stop making up
"facts" to suit your personal worldview, please please please!
> A foriegn power is trying to replace those laws with their own
> doctern.
Bullshit. Americans (and the same is true in many other western
nations) are torn by this issue.
> It is no different than Hitler trying to impose Nazism or Stalin
> Communisim.
You're completely whacked.
> | > Can another inquisition be far behind?
> |
> | Shows your complete lack of understanding. Do you
> | always write stuff just because you think it might
> | sound cool?
> Your personal attack doesn't change the facts.
Claiming ad hominem where none exists is one of the last
refuges of a scoundrel with nothing valid to offer in
arguing a point of view.
> Those facts are that Kennedy refused to modify proposed American laws to
> suit the pope so he was excommunicated. That's the bottom line.
How crazy are you?
1) Kennedy has not been excommunicated. A diocese refusing
communion to Kennedy is not excommunication. But I'm
doubtless talking to a dolt who grasps at straws rather
that arguing valid points.
2) US law presently prohibits the USG from paying for
abortions.
> | > Where is the Unamerican
> | > Activities Committee when we need them?
> |
> | Now we know you for what you are. A complete idiot.
> Were you an alter boy?
As a matter of fact, I never was. And most of my life I've
been more Calvinist than anything else. Your propounding
of "facts" that are untrue has been challenged and you are
obviously unable to rethink the issues in a cogent fashion.
I don't have any objection to your wanting to support abortion,
that's as valid an opinion as those who are against abortion.
But I stand strongly against any attempts to win an argument
by lying. If you want to win, learn how to argue fairly, based
on real facts rather that made up stuff.
Reading your argumentation I get a distinct feeling that you
are very young, not even in high school yet. How many of your
friends are helping you to write this crap?
purple
> "staten" <stat...@lycos.com> wrote
> "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
>>
>>> Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
>> Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church excommunicated
>> Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
>> Americans.
>
> [ On all Americans? What the fuck are you bubbling about? It is your
> [ personal choice to accept or to reject the Catholicism. No one is
> [ imposing on you anything.
>
> Think again. Does the Catholic Church demand laws that define human life as
> beginning at conception instead of at quickening - laws that affect
> non-catholics. I know you are trying to spin it but that's what this whole
> flap is about.
Show me where Sarah Palin was ever a Catholic. She is strongly
against abortion, as are many others following all manner of
belief systems, some not even qualifying as religion.
The balance of your nonsensical post is unworthy of response.
purple
<crap snipped>
purple
Seems like a child.
Vito
| I ask again, are you really Vito?
Yes, but it is a common name and this is xposted to many ngs so I may not be
the vito you expect.
|
| Here's some simple reading for you.
|
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunicate
Thanks. It supports my position.
|
|
| > No. It does not matter what Kennedy believes. What matters is that he
| > swore to uphold the Constitution on the United States. A foreign
power -
| > the Vatican - is punishing him for doing that instead of forwarding
their
| > own wierd adjenda.
|
| Nonsense. First of all, the Vatican had nothing to do with
| this.
Really? Who established the dogma Kennedy refused to impose on Americans?
| Really? Abortion was banned in the US until SCOTUS spoke
| out in Roe v. Wade. Jurisprudence tracing back through
| the millenia forbade abortions. Will you stop making up
| "facts" to suit your personal worldview, please please please!
It is your ignorance that distorts the facts. Abortion was not banned in
the US until the 19th century. Fact is, the taking of human life has been
banned except under certain conditions and still is today. American
jurisprudence and the common law upon which it is based holds that human
life begins a quickening, to wit: after the third trimester. Until then,
the government has no interest and that should be that. Unfortunately, 'the
voices' told some pope that human life began at conception and his cult has
been striving to impose that dogma on humanity ever since.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
"Many early laws and church doctrine focused on "quickening," when the
initial motion of the fetus can be felt by the pregnant woman, as a way to
differentiate when an abortion became impermissible. In the 19th century
various doctors, clerics, and social reformers pushed for an all-out ban on
abortion in the UK and USA. In the 20th century various women's rights
groups, doctors and social reformers successfully repealed abortion bans.
While abortion remains legal in many Western countries, it is regularly
subjected to legal challenges by pro-life groups.[2]"
|
| You're completely whacked. ....
| Claiming ad hominem where none exists is one of the last
| refuges of a scoundrel with nothing valid to offer in
| arguing a point of view.
| How crazy are you?
| > | Now we know you for what you are. A complete idiot.
Calling me 'whacked', 'crazy' and and idiot isn't ad hominum?
|
| 1) Kennedy has not been excommunicated.
Spin it any way you like but the fact remains that the church is punishing
him - not for performing or even advocatin abortions but for his refusal to
impose church dogma on all Americans.
| 2) US law presently prohibits the USG from paying for abortions.
Showing how successful the church's campaign has been.
|
| I don't have any objection to your wanting to support abortion,
| that's as valid an opinion as those who are against abortion.
| But I stand strongly against any attempts to win an argument
| by lying. If you want to win, learn how to argue fairly, based
| on real facts rather that made up stuff.
Go look in a mirror.
|
| Reading your argumentation I get a distinct feeling that you
| are very young, not even in high school yet. How many of your
| friends are helping you to write this crap?
There you go again!
As a matter of fact I am in my 70s and hold two doctorates, one in divinity.
You?
Vito
| > "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
| > Think again. Does the Catholic Church demand laws that define human
life as
| > beginning at conception instead of at quickening - laws that affect
| Show me where Sarah Palin was ever a Catholic.
How about answering the question instead of blowing smoke.
Vito
| > Man, this guy is such a stupetard!
|
| Seems like a child.
Berift of truth or logic you resort to childish attacks.
Why not just go "Na na nana!"
It is just as effective in supporting your arguement.
purple
> "purple" <pur...@colorme.com> wrote |
[....]
> | Reading your argumentation I get a distinct feeling that you
> | are very young, not even in high school yet. How many of your
> | friends are helping you to write this crap?
>
> There you go again!
> As a matter of fact I am in my 70s and hold two doctorates, one in divinity.
> You?
Your second childhood has arrived and you didn't
even notice. If you've read what was posted as
source data no wonder you misunderstand Christian
teachings, so much the worse for someone who claims
a doctor of divinity (easily purchased over the
internet, BTW.)
I don't have to brag about credentials. People who
can read and comprehend know what I'm about and
fully understand just how whacked your postings are.
Good bye, "Vito."
purple
Blowing smoke, like this posting of yours?
purple
I didn't want to copy you.
oasysco
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpQDFhwUjDE
>
> Federals allowing about 100K muslims a year to enter USA.
>
> I dispute one concept that of needing more population. Years ago
> scholars suggested ideal USA population at 200 million. Now it's
> 306 million. Obviously, a moritorium on legal immigration is mandated.
> Then deportation of illegal aliens. Step up industrial production via
> new technologies, America prospers.
>
> Climber
Hmmm, wonder if abortion was illegal how that would change things.
Road Glidin' Don
> I don't have to brag about credentials. People who
> can read and comprehend know what I'm about and
> fully understand just how whacked your postings are.
<nod>
Road Glidin' Don
> As a matter of fact I am in my 70s and hold two doctorates, one in divinity.
That's truly pathetic, Vito.
purple
He's a liar and fraud, through and through.
Holding a doctorate isn't the same as earning a
doctorate. It is obvious how he got his.
S'mee
yeah, divinity pays shit and is based on cult beliefs....
S'mee
Really? Do tell? I seem to recall my presbiterian ministire was fat,
smoked good cigars, prefered scotch to Jack Daniels hated socilaists
mroe than commies "at least commies are honest about it" and he had a
divinity doctorate....he's likely been dead as he'd be over 80 now and
was in his late 40's early 50's.
So your little pecker is just dangling and drawing flies much like
your idiotic assumptions goober.
staten
> "staten" <state...@lycos.com> wrote
>
> "Vito" <v...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey , Muslims still burn and bury people alive TODAY!
>
> > Could be just a matter of time. I see the Catholic Church excommunicated
> > Teddy K's son for not supporting laws to impose their doctern on all
> > Americans.
>
> [ personal choice to accept or to reject the Catholicism. No one is
> [ imposing on you anything.
>
> beginning at conception instead of at quickening - laws that affect
Again, idiot, no one forcing upon you the Catholic Church's tenets.
The Catholic Church cannot "demand" anything as it doesn't have power
to do that. Either you accept Catholicism voluntarily or you reject
it and stick to your immoral, perverted liberalism is strictly your
personal choice. Besides, there are millions non-Catholics around the
globe , including atheists , who regard abortions are wrong
decision. So, saying that the Catholic Church "is imposing its
doctrine on all Americans" is preposterous , laughable and stupid
because no one appointed you to speak on behalf of all Americans.
> I know you are trying to spin it but that's what this whole
> flap is about.
No, you are trying to spin , putz. You trying to invent non-existing
Catholic Churche's scheming to change government stance on abortions
though it's just a matter related to the Christian teachings in
general . By applying your logic , you in the similar manner can
blame the entire Christianity for "imposing " its views on everyone
as well. But it is dead wrong because not the Catholic Church or
Christianity but you and the Christian hating liberals who are
relentlessly attack the Christian faith on the daily basis by trying
to expunge the concept of God from all aspects of American life
beginning from banning prayers in schools to declaring war against
our national motto – In God We Trust, removing the Ten Commandments
frescoes from our court rooms and corrupting our kids by
substituting the productive education in public schools with
promoting filthy homosexual life style, distributing condoms and cross
dressing. You have completely destroyed public schools in America.
> [ Un-American just because Kennedy was barred from receiving communion
> [ for his pro-abortion stance? It's beyond stupid. No comments. Read
> [ Purple's post again , idiot.
>
> Talk about beyond stupid. Yes it is unamerican bucause is your cult is using
> communion as a stick to whip Kennedy and other legislators into backing
> unamerican legislation that replaces millenia of anglo-american
> jurisprudence with its doctern.
Wrong again, sucker. It's Kennedy and you sleazy libs who are trying
to politicize the Church. Besides, seeing Jr. Kennedy and his scummy
booze loving, skirt chasing dad as devout "Catholics" is the most
hilarious joke. The junior couldn't give a fuck about the
Catholicism. His devotion is not to Catholicism but to abusing drugs,
alcohol and skirt chasing . Like father like son . Just wait for his
another drunk driving adventures , like in May 1996 when his Mustang
crushed into a barricade on Capitol Hill or for raping someone like
his cousin William Kennedy Smith did during booze party at the
Kennedy family's beachfront retreat in Florida. Kennedys Christians –
that's really funny.
>
> The pope can excommunicate anybody he wants so long as he makes no effort to
> impose his theocratic idiocy on others but in this case that is exactly what
> they are trying to do. That puts the church in the same club as the nazis
> or soviet communists.
No, your comparison just confirms putting you as a fair target for
the white-coated men with butterfly nets. Your mind is obviously is a
very confused, muddled place.
purple
That's why I quit feeding yet another wannabe troll.
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ Gray Ghost said...
> "Pious Paul" <piou...@gmail.com> wrote in news:suedne-
> Z9ck4PpXWnZ2...@earthlink.com:
>
> >
> > "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9CCA6F64E2F9We...@216.196.97.142...
> >> "Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> >> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
> >>
> >>> So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> >>> do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> >>> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
> >>
> >> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout Christians
> >> (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how
> >> many mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
> >>
> >> You are obsolete.
> >
> > Christians are the real killers. They started the whole thing. Even the
> > Arian Brotherhood and the KKK are Christian organizations
> >
> > Pious
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
> >> gospel of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery."
> >> Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> >
>
> Can you drive with your head so far up your ass?
Most Christians do it every day - even while talking on their fucking
cell phones!
--
St. Jackanapes
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ High Plains Thumper said...
>
> * US * wrote:
> > (Gulping Goober) wrote:
> >> Bob Myers wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... Historically, it's been those nasty Christians who have
> >>> stirred up the most trouble, you know.
> >>
> >> Really? ...
> >
> > Yes. Try pulling your head out and having a look sometime, if you're
> > not too frightened: Christianity is a religion of atrocities
> > throughout its history.
>
> This was cross posted to rec.motorcycles. Besides regurgitating the
> same waste of bandwidth again, how is this going to help me to be a
> better motorcyclist, help fellow motorcyclists, "ride to live and live
> to ride"?
>
> Sounds like you are hung up on the past. The past is dead, its gone, no
> continued whining will ever change the past. Get over it, do something
> useful with your life like help someone, organise an activity with
> others involved that will do something truly beneficial for others.
>
> You can effect change for good.
He just did. Everyone knows that Christians shouldn't be on the road.
They all have this death wish to be with their lover Jesus the Living
Corpse and spend more time concentrating on that then on the road.
Bikers beware! There's a Christian car out there with your name on it.
--
St. Jackanapes
Father Haskell
Gawd forbid Thumper's on his bike when the christian
truck drivers around him all get raptured away at the same
time.
S'mee
How could you tell? For that matter all the other fuckheaded christian
rapture freaks in their mini-vans. Anyone that buys into "the rapture"
can't read. The concept is based on piss poor reading comprehension of
a dumb ass minister.
Gaidheal
<stephenleeNOSPAMcow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who was it that killed all the American Indians, anyway?
The question should be *what* killed all the natives of North and
South America.
There were 50 million natives at the end of the 15th century. They
started dying off
in the 14th century, *possibly* due to pneumonic or bubonic plague
apparently carried by the fleas on the rats that were attracted to
their grain stores.
Previous to the development of agriculture and really large villages,
any flea or rodent-born epidemic was unlikely to be epidemic.
But about 18 million Native Americans died in the 14th century, ending
the Great Missippian Culture.
Then the Spanish arrived. Cabeza de Vaca was Spanish explorer who was
determined to carve out an empire for himself in what became the
southeastern USA.
But he was shipwrecked and wandered across Florida, Alabama,
Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas, spreading European and African
diseases as he moved.
Everybody knows about how a smallpox epidemic in Tenochtitlan helped
Cortes defeat Montezuma's empire. Similarly, diseases spread by
Pizarro's men decimated the Incas in Peru.
Millions of Native Americans died along the Atlantic seaboard in the
16th century after hemorrhagic fever was spread by the explorations of
the Spaniard Verrazano.
The die-off occured between about 1612 when Captain John Smith
explored Boston bay and the arrival of the Pilgrims at the end of
1620.
That's why Squanto's village of Patuxent was deserted when the
Pilgrims landed.
Otherwise, the Pilgrims would have immediately been amongst *friendly*
Indians who would have helped more of them to survive the first
winter.
Jared Diamond explained how the native tribes died off in his book
which is called
"Guns, Germs, and Steel."
Diamond said that the Spaniards couldn't have killed off 50 million
natives if they had hacked, stabbed and shot at them continuously for
a hundred years.
Billy Cox
>>Who was it that killed all the American Indians, anyway?
Europeans!
> The question should be *what* killed all the natives of North and
> South America.
Who cares?
The "Natives" in North America now own and operate many large casinos,
and do NOTHING to put there HUGE EARNINGS and tax free PROFITS back to
there own people.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> "Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
> > So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
> (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how many
> mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
"The Troubles" in Ireland. This is actually the latest manifestation of
ongoing conflicts between various different Christian sects. At the risk
of invoking Godwin's Law: There was that little genocide perpetrated by
Hitler. He thought he was fulfilling biblical prophecy. And if we go
back a bit further, we find the Inquisition (actually a bunch of them).
I don't understand the bit about 'decent Christians' rejecting the Klan.
Where is it writen that there is a membership committee for the
Christian faith?
--
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------------------------------------------------------------------
Hanlon's Razor:
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by
stupidity.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
>
> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote
> ...
> > Aushwitz (sic) was not a product of Christian thought dumbass.
>
> Is Western Civilization a product of Christian thought?
More so the product of the age of Enlightenment. That appears to be when
scientific discovery got back on the track following in the footsteps of
the Greeks, Arabs and others. It could be argued that cultural
advancements began around the time of the Reformation. But this could be
attributed to the various Christian factions fighting among themselves
and having less time left to meddle in cultural affairs.
When Christians were firmly in control of society, it was (with some
justification) referred to as 'The Dark Ages'.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged
demo.
Father Haskell
It's not even good science fiction.
It's not even a good script for a Saturday morning kids' cartoon.
Father Haskell
> In alt.flame.jesus.christ Gray Ghost said...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Z9ck4PpXWnZ2dnUVZ_sGdn...@earthlink.com:
>
> > > "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:Xns9CCA6F64E2F9We...@216.196.97.142...
> > >> "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> > >> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
> > >>> So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> > >>> do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> > >>> who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
> > >> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout Christians
> > >> (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier hate) and how
> > >> many mass killings have Christians done in the name of God?
>
> > >> You are obsolete.
>
> > > Christians are the real killers. They started the whole thing. Even the
> > > Arian Brotherhood and the KKK are Christian organizations
>
> > > Pious
>
> > >> --
> > >> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the
> > >> gospel of envy, its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery."
> > >> Winston Churchill
>
> > Can you drive with your head so far up your ass?
>
> Most Christians do it every day - even while talking on their fucking
> cell phones!
Or watching their tvs.
Gray Ghost
news:4B26C820...@hovnanian.com:
> Gray Ghost wrote:
>>
>> "Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
>> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>>
>> > So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
>> > do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
>> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>>
>> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout
>> Christians (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier
>> hate) and how many mass killings have Christians done in the name of
>> God?
>
> "The Troubles" in Ireland. This is actually the latest manifestation of
> ongoing conflicts between various different Christian sects. At the risk
> of invoking Godwin's Law: There was that little genocide perpetrated by
> Hitler. He thought he was fulfilling biblical prophecy. And if we go
> back a bit further, we find the Inquisition (actually a bunch of them).
The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that Catholics and
Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line. I don't recall ever
hearing any Irishman claiming God told him to kill his fellow Irishman.
And I do not accept your claim about Hitler. it is an empty, vapid claim
displaying considerable lack of knowledge of the time. Whatever Hitler
thought he was whatever he called himself he was in no way regarded as a
Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever find one
who does.
>
> I don't understand the bit about 'decent Christians' rejecting the Klan.
> Where is it writen that there is a membership committee for the
> Christian faith?
>
Then you're an asshole who is deliberately dense.
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>
> "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <pa...@hovnanian.com> wrote in
> news:4B26C820...@hovnanian.com:
>
> > Gray Ghost wrote:
> >>
> >> "Bob Myers" <nospam...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> >> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
> >>
> >> > So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> >> > do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> >> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
> >>
> >> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout
> >> Christians (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier
> >> hate) and how many mass killings have Christians done in the name of
> >> God?
> >
> > "The Troubles" in Ireland. This is actually the latest manifestation of
> > ongoing conflicts between various different Christian sects. At the risk
> > of invoking Godwin's Law: There was that little genocide perpetrated by
> > Hitler. He thought he was fulfilling biblical prophecy. And if we go
> > back a bit further, we find the Inquisition (actually a bunch of them).
>
> The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that Catholics and
> Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line. I don't recall ever
> hearing any Irishman claiming God told him to kill his fellow Irishman.
>
> And I do not accept your claim about Hitler.
What you accept and reality appear to differ.
> it is an empty, vapid claim
> displaying considerable lack of knowledge of the time.
Read 'Mein Kampf'.
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>> Insert witty message here <<
S'mee
wrote:
> The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that Catholics and
> Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line.
Damn you are one stupid fucker then...uneducated also. Sheesh I have a
public education in teh US and I know it was religion based and the
politics against the crown were a pretense. Even the muslims aren't as
murderous as the christians.
S'mee
wrote:
> "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:ca378fde-d41b-4e67...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 10:40 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> > wrote:
> >> "Bob Myers" <nospample...@address.invalid> wrote in news:he6ugg$96e$1
> >> @usenet01.boi.hp.com:
>
> >> > So what? How many supposedly Christian, Hindu, etc., immigrants
> >> > do we get each year? Historically, it's been those nasty Christians
> >> > who have stirred up the most trouble, you know.
>
> >> Really? And how many acts of terror are attributable to devout
> >> Christians (not including Klansmen as decent Christians reject thier
> >> hate) and how many mass killings have Christians done in the name of
> >> God?
>
> > the crusades.
>
> Aushwitz was not a product of Christian thought dumbass.
>
> >> You are obsolete.
>
> > No actually he isn't people with your fucked up mentality are otoh not
> > just obsoleate but you've been pointless since our speicies first
> > walked upright.
>
> When can I expect you to start exterminating us, then?
Swine flu... AIDS was my first go but it ended up a flop and killed
innocent bystanders instead.
> You are obsolete.
Really? A killer, life saver, philosopher, sexual god and your better
in every why ethical and moral. Now obsolete? LOL you stupid fuck you
are one of the last survivors of an extinct species.
S'mee
Oh what a load of shit...it was done on purpose SO the how doesn't
matter you fucking little boy chasing faggot. (at my age little boy is
anyone between the age of majority and 25)
S'mee
Yeah but Beavis and Butthead could pull it off and make you believe it
also. <nods> uh-huh s'truth.
Vito
| The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that Catholics
and
| Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line. I don't recall
ever
| hearing any Irishman claiming God told him to kill his fellow Irishman.
It is impossible to seperate religion and politics in most countries. When
Ireland won freedom from England the Government made Catholicism its
official religion. That's why the northern (protestant) counties stayed with
Britian.
|
| And I do not accept your claim about Hitler. it is an empty, vapid claim
| displaying considerable lack of knowledge of the time. Whatever Hitler
| thought he was whatever he called himself he was in no way regarded as a
| Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever find
one
| who does.
Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs escape
and that's a proven fact.
|
| >
| > I don't understand the bit about 'decent Christians' rejecting the Klan.
| > Where is it writen that there is a membership committee for the
| > Christian faith?
| >
|
| Then you're an asshole who is deliberately dense.
|
Name calling is ever the last defense of those who's mistakes are
discovered. Every clansman I ever heard of thought himself a Christian.
Why not cite some evidence of 'decent Christians' rejecting the clan. I'll
provide one to start with: MLK. But wait, didn't he ..... ?
Gray Ghost
What church did Hitler attend? Did he profess that Jesus Christ was his
savior? Absent that he was not a Christian.
>> it is an empty, vapid claim
>> displaying considerable lack of knowledge of the time.
>
> Read 'Mein Kampf'.
>
Enough to know the claim is wrong.
Gray Ghost
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> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote|
>| The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that Catholics
>| and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line. I don't
>| recall ever hearing any Irishman claiming God told him to kill his
>| fellow Irishman.
>
> It is impossible to seperate religion and politics in most countries.
> When Ireland won freedom from England the Government made Catholicism its
> official religion. That's why the northern (protestant) counties stayed
> with Britian.
And what's your point? Noone killed each other over what church they went to.
>|
>| And I do not accept your claim about Hitler. it is an empty, vapid claim
>| displaying considerable lack of knowledge of the time. Whatever Hitler
>| thought he was whatever he called himself he was in no way regarded as a
>| Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever find
>| one who does.
>
> Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs escape
> and that's a proven fact.
Some Christains question whether Catholics are Christians. To many of thier
rituals and traditions violate some pretty straightforward rules. It was the
reason I left the Catholic church at 18.
I don't know why the the Catholic clergy at the time did what it did. Is ther
any actual evidence that it was Vatican policy or was it just indivdiual
actors? Certainly they can make the argument that they were protecting more
people from being persecuted, wrong as I think that is.
But that episode does nothing to impune the morality of American Protestants.
Nor does it confirm that Hitler was a Christian.
>|
>| >
>| > I don't understand the bit about 'decent Christians' rejecting the
>| > Klan. Where is it writen that there is a membership committee for the
>| > Christian faith?
>| >
>|
>| Then you're an asshole who is deliberately dense.
>|
>
> Name calling is ever the last defense of those who's mistakes are
No, asshat, i'm tired of the brainless bigots making the same brainless,
baseless claims in order to justify thier atheism. Be an atheist, I don't
care. But don't impune me and limp me in with Hitler and the Klan.
Geez, talk about the last refuge of the brain dead.
> discovered. Every clansman I ever heard of thought himself a Christian.
> Why not cite some evidence of 'decent Christians' rejecting the clan.
> I'll provide one to start with: MLK. But wait, didn't he ..... ?
Ok asshat, me. I've had my share of contact with the Klan and I've done my
but to monkeywrench them.
And again I don't care what the consider themselves. None they I've ever had
contact with would be acceptable in any chirch I've attended. So what's your
point about MLK, that he was black? That he got killed?
Vito
| "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
| > "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote|
| >| The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that Catholics
| >| and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line. I don't
| >| recall ever hearing any Irishman claiming God told him to kill his
| >| fellow Irishman.
| >
| > It is impossible to seperate religion and politics in most countries.
| > When Ireland won freedom from England the Government made Catholicism
its
| > official religion. That's why the northern (protestant) counties stayed
| > with Britian.
|
| And what's your point? Noone killed each other over what church they went
to.
|
to attend Catholic church OR if the rest of Ireland had been willing to have
a secular government like the USA then there would have been no war and
nobody killed. It did not "just happened that Catholics and Protestants
happened to be on opposite sides of the line" - religion drew the line.
| >|
| >| Hitler. ... was in no way regarded as a
| >| Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever find
| >| one who does.
| >
| > Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs
escape
| > and that's a proven fact.
|
| Some Christains question whether Catholics are Christians.
Yes! And have been killing one and other for decades over it.
|
| I don't know why the the Catholic clergy at the time did what it did. Is
ther
| any actual evidence that it was Vatican policy or was it just indivdiual
| actors? Certainly they can make the argument that they were protecting
more
| people from being persecuted, wrong as I think that is.
|
| But that episode does nothing to impune the morality of American
Protestants.
You said that "actual Christians" did not regard Hitler as a Christian. Are
only American Protestants christians?
| Nor does it confirm that Hitler was a Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_beliefs
"Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he
never attended Mass or received the sacraments. However, after he had moved
to Germany, where the Catholic and the Protestant church are largely
financed through a church tax collected by the state, Hitler never actually
left his church or refused to pay church taxes. In a nominal sense
therefore," the historian Steigmann-Gall states, Hitler "can be classified
as Catholic" .....
"In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian
culture, and professed a belief in an Aryan Jesus Christ, a Jesus who fought
against the Jews. In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of ...
Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the
duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. His private statements, as
reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man
but critical of traditional Christianity" ..... perhaps like yourself??
|
| >| > I don't understand the bit about 'decent Christians' rejecting the
| >| > Klan. Where is it writen that there is a membership committee for the
| >| > Christian faith?
| >| >
| >|
| >| Then you're an asshole who is deliberately dense.
| >
| > Name calling is ever the last defense of those who's mistakes are
|
| No, asshat, i'm tired of the brainless bigots making the same brainless,
| baseless claims in order to justify thier atheism. Be an atheist, I don't
| care. But don't impune me and limp me in with Hitler and the Klan.
|
What this says is that you know that the KKK is a Christian organization but
do not want to admit it so you vilefy anyone who makes you face that truth.
But don't worry, I doubt anybody lumps you in with Hitler or the Klan.
Unlike you or I both have had a significant impact on society.
Gray Ghost
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> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote
>| "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>| > "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote|
>| >| The Troubles in Oreland were political, it just happened that
>| >| Catholics and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the
>| >| line. I don't recall ever hearing any Irishman claiming God told him
>| >| to kill his fellow Irishman.
>| >
>| > It is impossible to seperate religion and politics in most countries.
>| > When Ireland won freedom from England the Government made Catholicism
>| > its official religion. That's why the northern (protestant) counties
>| > stayed with Britian.
>|
>| And what's your point? Noone killed each other over what church they
>| went to.
>|
> They certainly were! Had the Scots/Irish in Northern Ireland been
> willing to attend Catholic church OR if the rest of Ireland had been
> willing to have a secular government like the USA then there would have
> been no war and nobody killed. It did not "just happened that Catholics
> and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line" - religion
> drew the line.
Even were this true, which I do not concede, it is still an isolated problem.
Do you want to point to anywhere else where this is killing on the modern
scale of Islam by Christians using thier religion as the excuse?
>| >|
>| >| Hitler. ... was in no way regarded as a
>| >| Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever
>| >| find one who does.
>| >
>| > Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs
>| > escape and that's a proven fact.
>|
>| Some Christains question whether Catholics are Christians.
>
> Yes! And have been killing one and other for decades over it.
Really, where? Ireland? OK, where else?
>|
>| I don't know why the the Catholic clergy at the time did what it did. Is
>| ther any actual evidence that it was Vatican policy or was it just
>| indivdiual actors? Certainly they can make the argument that they were
>| protecting more people from being persecuted, wrong as I think that is.
>|
>| But that episode does nothing to impune the morality of American
> Protestants.
>
> You said that "actual Christians" did not regard Hitler as a Christian.
> Are only American Protestants christians?
No. Is ther any other Christian group you'd like to slander. The whole
"Hitler was a Christian" is an attempt to slander American Christians by
association.
>| Nor does it confirm that Hitler was a Christian.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_beliefs
Wikipedia, the last word on historical fact.
> "Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he
> never attended Mass or received the sacraments. However, after he had
> moved to Germany, where the Catholic and the Protestant church are
> largely financed through a church tax collected by the state, Hitler
> never actually left his church or refused to pay church taxes. In a
> nominal sense therefore," the historian Steigmann-Gall states, Hitler
> "can be classified as Catholic" .....
>
> "In public, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian
> culture, and professed a belief in an Aryan Jesus Christ, a Jesus who
> fought against the Jews. In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of
> ... Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating
> that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I
> have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. His private
> statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler
> as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity" .....
As a leftist you should understand that people say many things without
meaning them. Hitler may have also been politcally smart in that the vast
majority of Germans were Christians, and the main enemy in the 20' and 30'
were the "Godless communists". Hitler was a snake and a confirmed liar.
Again, what he claims is not actually the fact.
> perhaps like yourself??
Ohh, I''m devastated, you've compared me to Hitler. Asshat.
>|
>| >| > I don't understand the bit about 'decent Christians' rejecting the
>| >| > Klan. Where is it writen that there is a membership committee for
>| >| > the Christian faith?
>| >| >
>| >|
>| >| Then you're an asshole who is deliberately dense.
>| >
>| > Name calling is ever the last defense of those who's mistakes are
>|
>| No, asshat, i'm tired of the brainless bigots making the same brainless,
>| baseless claims in order to justify thier atheism. Be an atheist, I
>| don't care. But don't impune me and limp me in with Hitler and the Klan.
>|
> What this says is that you know that the KKK is a Christian organization
> but do not want to admit it so you vilefy anyone who makes you face that
> truth.
I make no such admission. The Klan is a bunch of bullies cloaking themselves
in religion to excuse thier abberrant behavior. Sort of like leftists and
AGW.
> But don't worry, I doubt anybody lumps you in with Hitler or the Klan.
> Unlike you or I both have had a significant impact on society.
Actually the Klna's influence has been neglible. They were a criminal
organzation from the start and despite early successes they are villified and
ostracized by decent people for decades. Ask Democrat Senator Byrd. The Dems
keep voting him in.
S'mee
wrote:
Obviously you were educated in america. (oxymoron alert)
India is one country
many countries in the middle east (primarally Lebonon) christians are
killing christians...though the current family fight between the
muslims and jews is overshadowing everything...buncha drama queens. I
know for sure there is fair bit going on in china and has for the last
couple of thousand years.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
He was raised as a Catholic. Here's a decent summary of his beliefs and
practices, with references in case you are actually interested in learning
something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_beliefs
Keep in mind that we can only know a person by what they say and what they
do. Hitler claimed to be a Christian. And nothing about his actions
indicated otherwise.
--
Paul Hovnanian pa...@hovnanian.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have gnu, will travel.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
Political, religious. Back then, there was no difference.
What the pope or the head of the Church of England said was both the basis
of faith and law.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
[snip]
>
> Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs escape
> and that's a proven fact.
Good question. What did Jesus or the bible say about a pope?
Answer: Nothing. Its an invention of the politics of the time.
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
The Crusades. The Inquisition. Oh, you wanted 'modern'?
The British in Afghanistan (the first time in the mid 1800's). The Balkans.
Palestine (by our Israeli proxy). Iraq.
Vito
| >|
| > They certainly were! Had the Scots/Irish in Northern Ireland been
| > willing to attend Catholic church OR if the rest of Ireland had been
| > willing to have a secular government like the USA then there would have
| > been no war and nobody killed. It did not "just happened that Catholics
| > and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the line" - religion
| > drew the line.
|
| Even were this true, which I do not concede, it is still an isolated
problem.
| Do you want to point to anywhere else where this is killing on the modern
| scale of Islam by Christians using thier religion as the excuse?
Islam is almost a millenia newer and that much behind Christianity. Perhaps
they too will mellow out in a 1000 years or so like Christendom has.
However, in the beginning Christianity was spread by the sword just like
Islam. That's what caused the dark ages. Charlemagne killed 1000s.
|
| >| >|
| >| >| Hitler. ... was in no way regarded as a
| >| >| Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever
| >| >| find one who does.
| >| >
| >| > Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs
| >| > escape and that's a proven fact.
| >|
| >| Some Christains question whether Catholics are Christians.
| >
| > Yes! And have been killing one and other for decades over it.
|
| Really, where? Ireland? OK, where else?
Isn't that enough? But let us stick to the point - at least some Christians
believed Hitler was a Christian.
|
| >|
| >| I don't know why the the Catholic clergy at the time did what it did.
Is
| >| ther any actual evidence that it was Vatican policy or was it just
| >| indivdiual actors? Certainly they can make the argument that they were
| >| protecting more people from being persecuted, wrong as I think that
is.
| >|
| >| But that episode does nothing to impune the morality of American
| > Protestants.
| >
| > You said that "actual Christians" did not regard Hitler as a Christian.
| > Are only American Protestants christians?
|
| No. Is ther any other Christian group you'd like to slander. The whole
| "Hitler was a Christian" is an attempt to slander American Christians by
| association.
On the contrary. Hitlers Christianity is a fact thus it cannot be a
slander. I'm sorry if it offends you.
|
| >| Nor does it confirm that Hitler was a Christian.
| >
| > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_beliefs
|
| Wikipedia, the last word on historical fact.
|
Wiki isn't the "last word" but it is handy and reasonably accurate. If you
go to the cite you will find that it in turn cites many other documents.
There is little doubt that Hitler thought himself Christian and professed a
belief in Jesus. You are free to believe he was Jewish if it pleases you.
Just don't expect many to agree.
| As a leftist ....
There you go calling names again. I am neither a leftist nor an athiest but
that isn't pertainent.
| Again, what he claims is not actually the fact.
And you know this because? I have presented info showing that Hitler
thought himself a Christian and that the largest Christian church supported
him. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck .... So, I'm forced to
believe that Hitler was a Christian until shown evidence to the contrary.
I'm still waiting ......
|
| > perhaps like yourself??
|
| Ohh, I''m devastated, you've compared me to Hitler. Asshat.
Wiki said that Hitler was "a religious man but critical of traditional
Christianity". You say you are a Christian but criticize traditional
Christianity (Catholicism) just like Wiki said he did. You also resort to
personal attack and name calling when your mistakes are challenged ... like
he did. No offense was meant.
|
|| > What this says is that you know that the KKK is a Christian
organization
| > but do not want to admit it so you vilefy anyone who makes you face that
| > truth.
|
| I make no such admission. The Klan is a bunch of bullies cloaking
themselves
| in religion to excuse thier abberrant behavior. Sort of like leftists and
AGW.
.....or Christians demonstrating outside an abortion clinic?
See, there you go again. If the KKK was not comprised of Christians then
you could and should have cited facts to prove your case. But no, you call
me a name and make another unproven assertion. I don't dispute that there
are criminals and bullies in the Klan - but please understand that they
were/are Christian bullies and criminals just like many in the RTL movement.
You prolly don't want to know that John Lennon was murdered by a Christian
who thought he had offended Jesus.
|
| > But don't worry, I doubt anybody lumps you in with Hitler or the Klan.
| > Unlike you or I both have had a significant impact on society.
|
| Actually the Klna's influence has been neglible. They were a criminal
| organzation from the start and despite early successes they are villified
and
| ostracized by decent people for decades. Ask Democrat Senator Byrd. The
Dems
| keep voting him in.
The Klan was successful in maintaining segregation for almost a century.
That was a bad thing but it certainly shows the Klan had enormous influence.
That influence has only waned in the last 50 years. Again, those are the
facts. Sorry you can't handle them. You sure you're not a Democrat?
*us*
wrote:
>... about Hitler...
"The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations"
http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
>displaying considerable lack of knowledge
At least you're consistent that way.
>..Whatever Hitler
>thought he was whatever he called himself he was in no way regarded as a
>Christian by actual Christians...
The Catholics accepted him, no problem.
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith.html
The Protestant Bush Crime Family never
stopped supporting Hitler.
>...an asshole who is deliberately dense.
It's doubtful you could do that deliberately.
*us*
wrote:
>...Do you want to point to anywhere else where this is killing on the modern
>scale of Islam by Christians using thier [sic] religion as the excuse?
Bush claims to be "born again" and that "God speaks through" him,
and he's mass-murdered far more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever
could, in less time, plus thousands of Americans. There is no evidence
that any aspect of 'Islam' killed any of them.
Gray Ghost
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> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>| "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote ....
>| >|
>| > They certainly were! Had the Scots/Irish in Northern Ireland been
>| > willing to attend Catholic church OR if the rest of Ireland had been
>| > willing to have a secular government like the USA then there would
>| > have been no war and nobody killed. It did not "just happened that
>| > Catholics and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the
>| > line" - religion drew the line.
>|
>| Even were this true, which I do not concede, it is still an isolated
>| problem. Do you want to point to anywhere else where this is killing on
>| the modern scale of Islam by Christians using thier religion as the
>| excuse?
>
> Islam is almost a millenia newer and that much behind Christianity.
> Perhaps they too will mellow out in a 1000 years or so like Christendom
> has. However, in the beginning Christianity was spread by the sword just
> like Islam. That's what caused the dark ages. Charlemagne killed 1000s.
So is that an excuse for barbaric behavior in the present day? Shall we
excuse say the murder of Daniel Pearl becuase they aren't civilized enough?
Are you insane?
>|
>| >| >|
>| >| >| Hitler. ... was in no way regarded as a
>| >| >| Christian by actual Christians and i doubt seriously you will ever
>| >| >| find one who does.
>| >| >
>| >| > Was the Pope an "actual Christian"? The Vatican helped many NAZIs
>| >| > escape and that's a proven fact.
>| >|
>| >| Some Christains question whether Catholics are Christians.
>| >
>| > Yes! And have been killing one and other for decades over it.
>|
>| Really, where? Ireland? OK, where else?
>
> Isn't that enough? But let us stick to the point - at least some
> Christians believed Hitler was a Christian.
No, it's not. Ireland is a rather unique situation, more political than
religious. Muslim OTOH has murdered how many thousands of infidels and
Muslims in the last 30 years.
Ther is truth to the saying "Mot all Muslims are terrorists, but all
terrorists are Muslims". Failure to understand this can get you killed.
>|
>| >|
>| >| I don't know why the the Catholic clergy at the time did what it did.
>| >| Is ther any actual evidence that it was Vatican policy or was it just
>| >| indivdiual actors? Certainly they can make the argument that they
>| >| were protecting more people from being persecuted, wrong as I think
>| >| that is.
>| >|
>| >| But that episode does nothing to impune the morality of American
>| > Protestants.
>| >
>| > You said that "actual Christians" did not regard Hitler as a
>| > Christian. Are only American Protestants christians?
>|
>| No. Is ther any other Christian group you'd like to slander. The whole
>| "Hitler was a Christian" is an attempt to slander American Christians by
>| association.
>
> On the contrary. Hitlers Christianity is a fact thus it cannot be a
> slander. I'm sorry if it offends you.
Hitler's "Christianity" is an invention of the atheists.
Perhaps we should have a look at the atheists in history and see how well
they done.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot for starters. The Japanese were non-christian and
managed to kill plenty of people, too.
You reckon the Rwandan murderers were Christians?
>|
>| >| Nor does it confirm that Hitler was a Christian.
>| >
>| > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Religious_beliefs
>|
>| Wikipedia, the last word on historical fact.
>|
> Wiki isn't the "last word" but it is handy and reasonably accurate. If
> you go to the cite you will find that it in turn cites many other
> documents. There is little doubt that Hitler thought himself Christian
> and professed a belief in Jesus. You are free to believe he was Jewish if
> it pleases you. Just don't expect many to agree.
I don't dispute that Hitler may have claimed he was a Christian, though given
his psychology I doubt he held anything above him, but it doesn't matter.
Unless of course you're a narrow minded ass looking to disparage a rather
large group of decent people because one person, who those decent people
would reject, claimed to be one of them and committed heinous acts.
>
>| As a leftist ....
>
> There you go calling names again. I am neither a leftist nor an athiest
> but that isn't pertainent.
Liar.
>
>| Again, what he claims is not actually the fact.
>
> And you know this because? I have presented info showing that Hitler
> thought himself a Christian and that the largest Christian church
> supported him. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck .... So,
> I'm forced to believe that Hitler was a Christian until shown evidence to
> the contrary. I'm still waiting ......
BECAUSE HIS ACTIONS WERE ABOUT AS CONTRARY TO CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS AS IS
POSSIBLE, MORON.
What Christian today advocates for, no not only advocates but sets the
machinery in motion to, the extermination of the jewish people? NONE. In fact
some of Israel's biggest supporters in the US are the American Protestant
community.
>|
>| > perhaps like yourself??
>|
>| Ohh, I''m devastated, you've compared me to Hitler. Asshat.
>
> Wiki said that Hitler was "a religious man but critical of traditional
> Christianity". You say you are a Christian but criticize traditional
> Christianity (Catholicism) just like Wiki said he did. You also resort to
> personal attack and name calling when your mistakes are challenged ...
> like he did. No offense was meant.
You've nailed me, I'm Hitler reincarnated.
>|
>|| > What this says is that you know that the KKK is a Christian
>|| > organization
>| > but do not want to admit it so you vilefy anyone who makes you face
>| > that truth.
>|
>| I make no such admission. The Klan is a bunch of bullies cloaking
>| themselves in religion to excuse thier abberrant behavior. Sort of like
>| leftists and
> AGW.
>
> .....or Christians demonstrating outside an abortion clinic?
Christians have been demonstrating outside abortion clinics since Rowe vs
Wade was decided. How many acts of violence have there been? Doesn't fly.
> See, there you go again. If the KKK was not comprised of Christians then
> you could and should have cited facts to prove your case. But no, you
> call me a name and make another unproven assertion. I don't dispute that
> there are criminals and bullies in the Klan - but please understand that
> they were/are Christian bullies and criminals just like many in the RTL
> movement.
No asshat, I claim the Klan is populated by people who may claim to be
Christians but thier actions clearly demonstrate otherwise.
Just like you are pretending to be an prejudiced, openminded sort.
>
> You prolly don't want to know that John Lennon was murdered by a
> Christian who thought he had offended Jesus.
>|
>| > But don't worry, I doubt anybody lumps you in with Hitler or the Klan.
>| > Unlike you or I both have had a significant impact on society.
>|
>| Actually the Klna's influence has been neglible. They were a criminal
>| organzation from the start and despite early successes they are
>| villified and ostracized by decent people for decades. Ask Democrat
>| Senator Byrd. The Dems keep voting him in.
>
> The Klan was successful in maintaining segregation for almost a century.
> That was a bad thing but it certainly shows the Klan had enormous
> influence. That influence has only waned in the last 50 years. Again,
> those are the facts. Sorry you can't handle them. You sure you're not a
> Democrat?
Lat 50 years? So you want to make the case that becuase some blockheads 50
years ago "claimed" to be Christians, that some in 2009 Christianity is no
better than Islam.
I think you qualify as a blockhead.
Vito
| >| "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote ....
| >| >|
| >| > They certainly were! Had the Scots/Irish in Northern Ireland been
| >| > willing to attend Catholic church OR if the rest of Ireland had been
| >| > willing to have a secular government like the USA then there would
| >| > have been no war and nobody killed. It did not "just happened that
| >| > Catholics and Protestants happened to be on opposite sides of the
| >| > line" - religion drew the line.
| >|
| >| Even were this true, which I do not concede, it is still an isolated
| >| problem. Do you want to point to anywhere else where this is killing on
| >| the modern scale of Islam by Christians using thier religion as the
| >| excuse?
| >
| > Islam is almost a millenia newer and that much behind Christianity.
| > Perhaps they too will mellow out in a 1000 years or so like Christendom
| > has. However, in the beginning Christianity was spread by the sword
just
| > like Islam. That's what caused the dark ages. Charlemagne killed 1000s.
|
| So is that an excuse for barbaric behavior in the present day? Shall we
| excuse say the murder of Daniel Pearl becuase they aren't civilized
enough?
An explaination isn't an excuse. The point is that radical Christians
spread their religion by murdering anyone who refused to convert just like
radical Muslims are doing today.
|
| Are you insane?
You excuse and even deny that radical Christians murdered 1000s and that
Hitler was a Christian - all historical fact - but suspect I'm insane?
|
| > Isn't that enough? But let us stick to the point - at least some
| > Christians believed Hitler was a Christian.
|
| No, it's not. Ireland is a rather unique situation, more political than
| religious. Muslim OTOH has murdered how many thousands of infidels and
| Muslims in the last 30 years.
Your dance to avoid admitting that some (many) Christians believed Hitler
was a Christian is duly noted.
The situation in Ireland is NOT political, it is religious. The primary
(only?) reason the northern counties stayed with Britian is that Britian
permits religious freedom whilst the new Irish government required citizens
to be Catholic.
|
| Ther is truth to the saying "Mot all Muslims are terrorists, but all
| terrorists are Muslims". Failure to understand this can get you killed.
|
| > On the contrary. Hitlers Christianity is a fact thus it cannot be a
| > slander. I'm sorry if it offends you.
|
| Hitler's "Christianity" is an invention of the atheists.
No it is not. It is an historically proveable fact as I have shown here.
|
| Perhaps we should have a look at the atheists in history and see how well
| they done.
|
| Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot for starters. The Japanese were non-christian and
| managed to kill plenty of people, too.
|
| You reckon the Rwandan murderers were Christians?
Do you think that the atrocities these people have committed excuse past
Christian atrocities? I think not and condemn them all.
|
| I don't dispute that Hitler may have claimed he was a Christian, though
given
| his psychology I doubt he held anything above him, but it doesn't matter.
| Unless of course you're a narrow minded ass looking to disparage a rather
| large group of decent people because one person, who those decent people
| would reject, claimed to be one of them and committed heinous acts.
I seek to disparage no one, I simply showed you facts you still refuse to
accept; one of them being that the biggest Christian church (Catholic)
verbally rejected heinous NAZI acts at the same time they were helping those
same NAZIs escape justice. Frankly, I see little difference between that and
Hitlers assertion that his acts were motivated by religion.
|
| >
| >| As a leftist ....
| >
| > There you go calling names again. I am neither a leftist nor an athiest
| > but that isn't pertainent.
|
| Liar.
Unable to dispute fact with facts of your own you again fall back on ad
hominism. What does that say about you?
|
| >
| >| Again, what he claims is not actually the fact.
| >
| > And you know this because? I have presented info showing that Hitler
| > thought himself a Christian and that the largest Christian church
| > supported him. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck .... So,
| > I'm forced to believe that Hitler was a Christian until shown evidence
to
| > the contrary. I'm still waiting ......
|
| BECAUSE HIS ACTIONS WERE ABOUT AS CONTRARY TO CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS AS IS
POSSIBLE, MORON.
Oh really? Your ignorance of history is astounding.
|
| You've nailed me, I'm Hitler reincarnated.
Your inflexible belief system is much like his.
|
| >|
| >|| > What this says is that you know that the KKK is a Christian
| >|| > organization
| >| > but do not want to admit it so you vilefy anyone who makes you face
| >| > that truth.
| >|
| >| I make no such admission. The Klan is a bunch of bullies cloaking
| >| themselves in religion to excuse thier abberrant behavior. Sort of like
| >| leftists and AGW.
| >
| > .....or Christians demonstrating outside an abortion clinic?
|
| Christians have been demonstrating outside abortion clinics since Rowe vs
| Wade was decided. How many acts of violence have there been? Doesn't fly.
Do bombings count? How about double bombs - one set to blow the clinic and
the next set to kill the emergency responders? How about terrorizing and
shooting MDs? How about blocking customers' paths, bullying and screaming
at them? Sounds like the KKK to me. Terrorism = terrorism.
|
| > See, there you go again. If the KKK was not comprised of Christians
then
| > you could and should have cited facts to prove your case. But no, you
| > call me a name and make another unproven assertion. I don't dispute
that
| > there are criminals and bullies in the Klan - but please understand that
| > they were/are Christian bullies and criminals just like many in the RTL
| > movement.
|
| No asshat, I claim the Klan is populated by people who may claim to be
| Christians but thier actions clearly demonstrate otherwise.
Let me try to understand your logic. Clansmen intimidated people by
demonstrating and threatening them, bombing their buildings, and even
murdering some of them so they cannot be Christians even though they believe
themselves to be. Right? OTOH RTLers who intimidate people by demonstrating
and threatening them, bombing their buildings, and even murdering some of
them are Christians? Hmmmm.
|
| Lat 50 years? So you want to make the case that becuase some blockheads 50
| years ago "claimed" to be Christians, that some in 2009 Christianity is no
| better than Islam.
"Blockhead" was a perjorative term originally applied to folks with round
rather than oval faces. For example, Jesse James called the people in
Northfield, Mn Blockheads. In that sense I am one.
I didn't say that modern Christianity "is no better than Islam". But it once
was and there are still traces of it around - as witness Ireland, the
anti-abortion bombings and Lennon's murder. Certainly it seems to have
matured for now. However I wonder if it will last. A half century with only
a little violence is a small sample compared to two millenia of savagery.
Only time will tell. After all, Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship
the same God - the God of Abraham - and at some points in their histories
all spread their religion by terror.
|
| I think you qualify as a blockhead.
|
I suspect you have an overactive VMAZ2 gene.
Gray Ghost
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Ignorance and bigotry are your best qualities.
Vito
| Ignorance and bigotry are your best qualities.
|
insults.
That says more about you than it does about me.