Re: America is not a Christian nation
*us*
>On Dec 24, 7:40�am, Mitchell Holman <noemailple...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> BruceS <bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:c5975880-2611-4eff...@27g2000yqr.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > �Unfortunately, religion is a necessary element
>> > of society, and conflict is inevitable.
>>
>> � � �What makes religion "necessary"?
>
>... it fills a
>void in most people's lives.
Not necessarily.
>...Religion gives people a set of principles to live by, without
>which they act savagely and disrupt society...
That's false.
Plenty of people are decent and abide by societal
rules, without religion. [The Bible mentions that.]
>When a religion serves
>to encourage savage behavior, as
Christianity sure does.
>... it
>generally encourages behaviors that benefit society ...
Why do you hold that belief?
Lookout
According to our Founding Fathers this country was NOT founded on
christian principals and you certainly can't call what the
conservatives take credit for "christian" by any stretch of the
imagination.
Mitchell Holman
news:mbf8j5pne8dvnediu...@4ax.com:
And Conservatives know all about the Founding
Fathers. Just ask them.
"The Constitution established the United States of
America as a Christian nation"
John McCain, June 5 2008. The Constitution in fact
makes no mention of God or of Jesus or any religion
whatsoever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9izhjnaLa3M
purple
I'm sure you're an expert on this stuff, aren't you?
Sean_Q_
>> According to our Founding Fathers this country was NOT founded on
>> christian principals
Of course not. America was founded on a set of French encyclopedias.
SQ
*us*
He's the messenger, and his message happens to be correct.
Were you honest, you'd be addressing the message, not
indulging in your ad hominem fallacy.
Does your religion tell you to be dishonest?
>...an expert on this stuff, aren't you?
He's the messenger, and his message happens to be correct.
Were you honest, you'd be addressing the message, not
indulging in your ad hominem fallacy.
*us*
You are right, but Bush and Cheney, as so many other
such terrorists throughout history, are self-proclaimed
Christians. Bush even claimed that God speaks
through him.
See Mitchell Holman's reply.
Lookout
Treaty of Tripoly Article 11
Initiated by Washington, signed by Adams and voted on UNAMOMOUSLY by
the US Senate.
Expert? Nah..I just know enough to prove my point.
*us*
>OTOH I would also blame the Iraqi people
That's just because you're stoopid, poople.
>... permitting Saddam
>to accumulate the power he had...
See "CIA".
>... cowards wear the mantle of guilt ...
Well, you wear something, but it's quite unattractive.
>...the Afghan terrorists ...
Nobody in Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11.
>Liberal ...
Your idols Hitler and Stalin also hated liberals.
*us*
>...The founding fathers
>never said the US is not founded on Christian principles.
Sure they did. You're just too stupid to read for comprehension.
"no one can claim for the United States the name of a Christian state"
http://www.jewish-history.com/occident/volume7/feb1850/notchristian.html
"Christians are evil, they have always been evil, they are un-American,
anti-freedom and a threat to our national security"
http://christianterrorism.org/
"The question really is how long are we going to let these Christian terrorists�with scare
tactics such as boycotts, abortion clinic bombings, and really just plain old evangelical
bullying�hijack our country and our Constitution and chip away at the principles of the
very amendment that gives them the right to be �Christians� in the first place?"
http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/good-old-christian-terrorism/
"Christian terrorist campaign"
http://scold.moondance.org/2009/06/pro-life-christian-terrorism/
"Any religious organization that advocates murder and claims justification
on the basis of a document written thousands of years ago needs to be
regarded as a terrorist organization."
http://www.qctimes.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_34305aae-d8a7-11de-a78d-001cc4c03286.html
purple
You can't even spell unanimously or Tripoli but you think
you understand the facts?
Check the Avalon Project at the Yale Law School when you
announce stuff about "Article 11." You've proved nothing
other than your ignorance.
*us*
>...can't even spell ...
Your stupidity goes far beyond that, stoopid poople.
"The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States
had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it.
They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity"
ajh
Heh Sean, it's sunny out there and projected to get upto 6 degrees
today! Merry Christmas!
Lookout
It's a fact you dumbass. I don't give a damn if someone else can't
read.
I proved you wrong.
purple
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:15:16 -0600, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:
>
>> Lookout wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:03:46 -0600, purple <pur...@colorme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>>> According to our Founding Fathers this country was NOT founded on
>>>>> christian principals and you certainly can't call what the
>>>>> conservatives take credit for "christian" by any stretch of the
>>>>> imagination.
_
>>>> I'm sure you're an expert on this stuff, aren't you?
>>> Treaty of Tripoly Article 11
>>> Initiated by Washington, signed by Adams and voted on UNAMOMOUSLY by
>>> the US Senate.
_
>>> Expert? Nah..I just know enough to prove my point.
>> You can't even spell unanimously or Tripoli but you think
>> you understand the facts?
_
>> Check the Avalon Project at the Yale Law School when you
>> announce stuff about "Article 11." You've proved nothing
>> other than your ignorance.
>
> It's a fact you dumbass. I don't give a damn if someone else can't
> read.
_
Obviously *YOU* can't read.
> I proved you wrong.
_
You haven't read the results of the Avalon project. That
disproves your repeater argument. Either you're just plain
stupid or you're trolling. Either way, your crap is debunked
and there's no rationale that makes it worth my while
continuing this discussion with someone repetitively
spewing lunatic ideologies.
*us*
>... haven't read the results of the Avalon project...
If you had, you'd know it doesn't show that the USA
would be a Christian nation at all.
Lookout
No it doesn't at all. It's wrong. Period.
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
Please tell us what words there are giving you problems and we'll see
if we can help you.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in
> any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
>
> Please tell us what words there are giving you problems and we'll see
> if we can help you.
He's questioning whether the same language appeared
in the **Arabic** version of the treaty.
Some people point out a discrepancy between the English
and Arabic versions in the hope that if the words don't
also appear in the Arabic version, this might somehow
invalidate the English words in the ratified Senate document.
Does this all make sense now ?
Not to me either.
purple
Disagreeing once you've done the necessary homework gets
us a lot closer to being able to rationally discuss the
topic.
S'mee
Except you are neither correct nor rational...
Lookout
The only version I'm interested in is the one voted on UNAMOMOUSLY by
the US Senate and signed by President Adams.
purple
> Except you are neither correct nor rational...
End of discussion then.
*us*
>Violent jihad is not an incidental feature of Islam or a by-product of
>its recent history; it is a duty, written into the Koran.
You have no knowledge of the Koran.
"Koran a Book of Peace, Not War, Scholars Say"
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/09/0925_TVkoran.html
Don't swallow the lies of the terrorists Bush and Cheney.
They despise you and abuse you.
>... Christianity has become a civilized participant in
Slavery?
Lynchings?
Nazism?
The illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?
AHAHAHAHAAHHA
And you lost. Badly.
I proved you wrong, asshole. I proved the Founding Father's said this
nation was NOT founded on christianity. And what happens? You run
away.
HAHAHAA You fucking little punk.
Sid9
"Lookout" <mrLo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:58ddj5tm7btg4q0sd...@4ax.com...
Treaties supersede the constitution.
Lookout
<terml...@democracy.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:00:44 -0600, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com>
>Except for the spelling. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Ya...he had to find something to whine about when he lost the augment
Rob Kleinschmidt
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:40:55 -0500, E. Barry Bruyea
> >wrote:
> >>Treaty of Tripoly Article 11
> >>Initiated by Washington, signed by Adams and voted on UNAMOMOUSLY by
> >>the US Senate.
>
> >>Expert? Nah..I just know enough to prove my point.
>
> >Except for the spelling. (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
>
> Ya...he had to find something to whine about when he lost the augment
That there spelling made me wince too, though I'm
always way too polite to ever point out such things.
*us*
>Shows what you know ...
We know there was no valid, legal basis for the Bush/Cheney war crimes.
>... facists [sic] bastards ...
There's no doubt that Bush and Cheney are no less corporatists than the
Bush family idol Hitler or Mussolini.
Lookout
If you have to stoop to picky spelling mistakes you're admitting
you're lost the augment.
Rob Kleinschmidt
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:34:03 -0800 (PST), Rob Kleinschmidt
> >That there spelling made me wince too, though I'm
> >always way too polite to ever point out such things.
>
> If you have to stoop to picky spelling mistakes you're admitting
> you're lost the augment.
Much of your argument I've already agreed with, so
it's not about winning or losing an argument.
I'm merely pointing out that your spelling really sucks.
Why would you believe I'm arguing ?
S'mee
>
> - Show quoted text -
Really? Seems to me fruitcake you lost it years ago. Not to mention
all the bullshit you've been spewing.
Lookout
I was referring to the idiot who claimed they never said that.
Lookout
sleazy
You're going to miss out on a lot of entertainment doing that. Keith's
a decent sort, but don't tell him I said so. ;)
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Lookout
>On 2009-12-29 00:40:31 -0500, Lookout <mrLo...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:28:35 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
>> <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Really? Seems to me fruitcake you lost it years ago. Not to mention
>>> all the bullshit you've been spewing.
>
>> X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
>> 'Welcome to my filter
>
>You're going to miss out on a lot of entertainment doing that. Keith's
>a decent sort, but don't tell him I said so. ;)
To be honest I go delete my filter list ever 3 or 4 months (it gets so
full of subjects) and start all over again. Most trolls nym shift
constantly so it does little good anyways.
S'mee
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:43:15 -0500, sleazy <n...@nil.net> wrote:
> >On 2009-12-29 00:40:31 -0500, Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> >> On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:28:35 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
> >> <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Really? Seems to me fruitcake you lost it years ago. Not to mention
> >>> all the bullshit you've been spewing.
>
> >> 'Welcome to my filter
>
> >You're going to miss out on a lot of entertainment doing that. Keith's
> >a decent sort, but don't tell him I said so. ;)
>
> To be honest I go delete my filter list ever 3 or 4 months (it gets so
> full of subjects) and start all over again. Most trolls nym shift
> constantly so it does little good anyways.
and I should care WHY? You are an IDIOT of the first order...your
opinion means less than a gnats fart.
S'mee
> On 2009-12-29 00:40:31 -0500, Lookout <mrLook...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:28:35 -0800 (PST), "S'mee"
> > <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Really? Seems to me fruitcake you lost it years ago. Not to mention
> >> all the bullshit you've been spewing.
> > 'Welcome to my filter
>
> You're going to miss out on a lot of entertainment doing that. Keith's
> a decent sort,
bullshit...I'm a loud mouthed asshole that really does say exactly
what I think. Thinking being the operative word...there's too many
morons that don't think they just parrot.
*us*
>"The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States
>had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it.
>They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity"
> VERY TRUE.
>
>Read my article on "Jefferson did not go far enough. He had the
>Koran." Jefferson was not trying to become a Muslim. He wanted to
>know what "Human System" is suitable for a country whose people flew
>out of their homeland to avoid religious persecution, poverty and lack
>of opportunity.
Thanks for the reference.
Is your article on a website or a newsgroup?