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Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:36:05 AM12/30/09
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First in line (still in progress): Replace the fuel line inside the
tank of the Street Bob:

http://www.xidos.ca/Technical/RepairitYourself/FixingFuelDeliveryProblemStreetBob/tabid/190/Default.aspx

They sure don't leave you much room in the tank for getting the fuel
pump out and then back in. I'm just relieved I didn't break anything
in the process. Even just changing the fuel filter would have been a
pain (in this case, I did it just because I was in there already
anyway).

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 30, 2009, 11:35:41 AM12/30/09
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Good God Almighty. What a palaver.

Interested to see the state of the old filter. My Beemer's change
interval is recommended at 24k miles, so as near 40k kilometres as makes
no difference.

The Ducati is supposed to be every 12k, but I change it every 6k,
because if it gets clogged, apparently it can overload the fuel pump
which then stops working :-/ Changing the filter is a doddle compared
to what you've done: remove the big filler cap assembly complete, and
there's plenty of room for a rummage.

Oh, and where exactly does HD mount the speedo on your bike? I couldn't
see where the console fits.

Did you replace the lines with OE stuff or go for steel hoses or what?
Or has HD upgraded them since they built the 2007s?

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Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:05:21 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 9:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> Road Glidin' Don <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > First in line (still in progress):  Replace the fuel line inside the
> > tank of the Street Bob:
>
> http://www.xidos.ca/Technical/RepairitYourself/FixingFuelDeliveryProblem
> StreetBob/tabid/190/Default.aspx
>
>
>
> > They sure don't leave you much room in the tank for getting the fuel
> > pump out and then back in.  I'm just relieved I didn't break anything
> > in the process.  Even just changing the fuel filter would have been a
> > pain (in this case, I did it just because I was in there already
> > anyway).
>
> Good God Almighty. What a palaver.
>
> Interested to see the state of the old filter. My Beemer's change
> interval is recommended at 24k miles, so as near 40k kilometres as makes
> no difference.
>
> The Ducati is supposed to be every 12k, but I change it every 6k,
> because if it gets clogged, apparently it can overload the fuel pump
> which then stops working :-/  Changing the filter is a doddle compared
> to what you've done: remove the big filler cap assembly complete, and
> there's plenty of room for a rummage.

Yeah, that fuel filter was starting to look pretty cloggy, wasn't it?
Good point on damage a bad one could cause to the fuel pump.

I've replaced the fuel filter on my Road Glide once at around 100K (it
now has > 200K on it). It is a much larger filter however and, IIRC,
the Service Manual says it should be replaced every 70K (kms, I
think). I have a picture of that one at the bottom of this page:

http://www.xidos.ca/Technical/RepairitYourself/EngineStutterProblem/tabid/103/Default.aspx

(Over the years, I've accumulated everything but the kitchen sink on
my site, man ;)

> Oh, and where exactly does HD mount the speedo on your bike? I couldn't
> see where the console fits.

The speedo and console is right on the tank. It can be seen in this
picture:

http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Street%20Bob%20Impressions/pics/FXDB_Driveway4.JPG

If you look again at this picture:

http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010562.JPG

...you can see it dangling on the left side of the tank (wiring still
connected, holding it up).

> Did you replace the lines with OE stuff or go for steel hoses or what?
> Or has HD upgraded them since they built the 2007s?

I replaced the old hose with an OE part and, yes, it has been upgraded
since 2007.

I intended to take a picture of the old and the new one, side-by-side,
but forgot to do so before putting the new one in (kicking self). The
new one is not much different, but they took out the flexible ribbing
in the middle portion of it - apparently in an effort to beef up the
wall thickness of the tubing. From what I've heard, this problem is
not that rare, so it looks like HD responded to it in that way.

You can just barely see the old and new hoses side-by-side on the
right side of the table in this shot:

http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG

Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
prize. ;)


Mark Olson

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:14:27 PM12/30/09
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Road Glidin' Don wrote:

> http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>
> Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
> the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
> prize. ;)

"The Odd Couple."

What do I win?

don (Calgary)

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:18:42 PM12/30/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:05:21 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
<d.la...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>
>Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
>the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
>prize. ;)

I can't tell you the name of the movie, but I am wondering what Gladys
had to say about the smell of gasoline in her kitchen.

Next to my lame attempt to bake powder coating in the oven, or
cleaning greasy bike parts in the dishwasher, bringing parts that
stunk of gasoline into the house was in the top five reasons I am
divorced. Maybe even the top reason. ;-)

Of course none of my ex's were riders.

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:23:05 PM12/30/09
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Road Glidin' Don <d.la...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

I *hate* tank-mounted instruments with a passion. You have to take your
eyes off the road for too long. Not that this matters, I suppose, at the
leisurely Harley pace.... ;-)


> http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>
> Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
> the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
> prize. ;)

Twelve Angry Men?

The Older Gentleman

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:24:56 PM12/30/09
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Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

<looks again>

It is, isn't it? The card game. And Twleve Angry Men was made, I think,
in black & white anyway. Bah.

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:49:53 PM12/30/09
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You got it, Mark!

> What do I win?

A week's supply of Reeky prestige. ;)


Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:51:17 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 10:24 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older

Gentleman) wrote:
> Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> > Road Glidin' Don wrote:
>
> > >http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>
> > > Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
> > > the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
> > > prize.  ;)
>
> > "The Odd Couple."
>
> > What do I win?
>
> <looks again>
>
> It is, isn't it? The card game. And Twleve Angry Men was made, I think,
> in black & white anyway. Bah.

Yep, Twelve Angry Men as B&W alright. Great move though. Should be
required viewing for everyone, before sitting on a jury.


The Older Gentleman

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:56:12 PM12/30/09
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Road Glidin' Don <d.la...@gmail.com> wrote:

And The Odd Couple should be required viewing for anyone thinking of
sharing a home with a friend :-))

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:57:15 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 10:18 am, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:05:21 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>
> <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>
> >Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
> >the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
> >prize.  ;)
>
> I can't tell you the name of the movie, but I am wondering what Gladys
> had to say about the smell of gasoline in her kitchen.

She was pretty good about it. While working on it there, a neighbour
from across the lane stopped by to drop something off and, being the
worry-wart that he is, phoned us once he got home to see if we were
aware our house had a 'gas smell' (he hadn't seen the tank sitting on
the table).

But even I can go too far. Gladys was not impressed, the time I took
the rear wheel of the Road Glide to the bathroom and cleaned the brake
dust off in the bathtub. That brake dust really sticks to things!

> Next to my lame attempt to bake powder coating in the oven, or
> cleaning greasy bike parts in the dishwasher, bringing parts that
> stunk of gasoline into the house was in the top five reasons I am
> divorced. Maybe even the top reason. ;-)
>
> Of course none of my ex's were riders.

Maybe you gotta get one with more of a sense of humor next time.

And, hey, that lovely little damsel you've been riding with lately...
she's not bad! Got a lock on her yet?

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 12:57:35 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 10:23 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> Road Glidin' Don <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I *hate* tank-mounted instruments with a passion.  You have to take your
> eyes off the road for too long. Not that this matters, I suppose, at the
> leisurely Harley pace.... ;-)
>
> >http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>
> > Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
> > the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
> > prize.  ;)
>
> Twelve Angry Men?

Bzzzzzzzzzt!!!


Mark Olson

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Dec 30, 2009, 1:03:23 PM12/30/09
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Which has a half-life of about 30 ns, I think.

don (Calgary)

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Dec 30, 2009, 2:27:15 PM12/30/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:57:15 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
<d.la...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 30, 10:18�am, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:05:21 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>>
>> <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.xidos.ca/Portals/0/Fuel%20Line%20Repair/pics/P1010572.JPG
>>
>> >Hey, if you can tell me the name of the movie playing on the telly in
>> >the background of that pic, you could be eligible for a valuable
>> >prize. �;)
>>
>> I can't tell you the name of the movie, but I am wondering what Gladys
>> had to say about the smell of gasoline in her kitchen.
>
>She was pretty good about it. While working on it there, a neighbour
>from across the lane stopped by to drop something off and, being the
>worry-wart that he is, phoned us once he got home to see if we were
>aware our house had a 'gas smell' (he hadn't seen the tank sitting on
>the table).
>
>But even I can go too far. Gladys was not impressed, the time I took
>the rear wheel of the Road Glide to the bathroom and cleaned the brake
>dust off in the bathtub. That brake dust really sticks to things!

Ha! Yeah that would certainly do it. Brake dust is persistent.


>
>> Next to my lame attempt to bake powder coating in the oven, or
>> cleaning greasy bike parts in the dishwasher, bringing parts that
>> stunk of gasoline into the house was in the top five reasons I am
>> divorced. Maybe even the top reason. ;-)
>>
>> Of course none of my ex's were riders.
>
>Maybe you gotta get one with more of a sense of humor next time.

Yeah that's it. They had no sense of humour. Works for me. <g>


>
>And, hey, that lovely little damsel you've been riding with lately...
>she's not bad! Got a lock on her yet?

She is a bit of a free spirit, which is ok by me. We are good friends
and enjoy riding together. Hell she rides more kilometers a year than
I do.

We are kicking around ideas for next year right now. If we can't ride,
we might as well plan.

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 2:37:24 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 12:27 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:57:15 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"

> >And, hey, that lovely little damsel you've been riding with lately...


> >she's not bad!  Got a lock on her yet?
>
> She is a bit of a free spirit, which is ok by me. We are good friends
> and enjoy riding together. Hell she rides more kilometers a year than
> I do.
>
> We are kicking around ideas for next year right now. If we can't ride,
> we might as well plan.

I guess the fact you said "plan" instead of some other word, pretty
much indicates the status of the relationship so far, don't it?
<duckin' & running>


don (Calgary)

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Dec 30, 2009, 2:49:35 PM12/30/09
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Hey she is armed. If I posted too much here I would be the one ducking
& running.

Besides, she lives up in your corner of the world. Way too far for
anything more than a casual relationship.

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:02:14 PM12/30/09
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Hmmm. Well, if she's not spoken for, might have to hook her up with
the local hog ridership here then... A woman who can ride well is
such a terrible thing to waste. ;)

Sean_Q_

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:03:52 PM12/30/09
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Road Glidin' Don wrote:

> Winter Repair Projects

Happiness is a natural-gas heated garage in an Edmonton winter.

SQ

Sean_Q_

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:20:45 PM12/30/09
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SQ - wrenching on bike(s) on an uncovered cement driveway
in a damp soggy drippy rust-accelerating Vancouver winter.

However I'm negotiating to use the garage at the blueberry farm.
I also scrounged an old 20' camper van for bike winter storage
and then removed all the interior fixtures and seats so it was
an empty shell and then filled it with junk with no room for my S40.
If you're wondering how that makes any sense, I wish I knew.

SQ

don (Calgary)

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Dec 30, 2009, 3:43:44 PM12/30/09
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But, but, but, she rides a Kawasaki!

Kidding aside I agree we need more women riders.

Now that's not to say more and more great looking women are not
joining in the fun.
http://www.actualriders.ca/IMG_1559.JPG
http://www.actualriders.ca/IMG_1562.JPG

But then there is always someone ready to spoil the fun.
http://www.actualriders.ca/IMG_1564.JPG

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:54:01 PM12/30/09
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On Dec 30, 1:43 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:02:14 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>
>
>
>
>
> <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 30, 12:49 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:37:24 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>
> >> <d.lan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Dec 30, 12:27 pm, "don (Calgary)" <hd.f...@telus.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:57:15 -0800 (PST), "Road Glidin' Don"
>
> >> >> >And, hey, that lovely little damsel you've been riding with lately...
> >> >> >she's not bad! Got a lock on her yet?
>
> >> >> She is a bit of a free spirit, which is ok by me. We are good friends
> >> >> and enjoy riding together. Hell she rides more kilometers a year than
> >> >> I do.
>
> >> >> We are kicking around ideas for next year right now. If we can't ride,
> >> >> we might as well plan.
>
> >> >I guess the fact you said "plan" instead of some other word, pretty
> >> >much indicates the status of the relationship so far, don't it?
> >> ><duckin' & running>
>
> >> Hey she is armed. If I posted too much here I would be the one ducking
> >> & running.
>
> >> Besides, she lives up in your corner of the world. Way too far for
> >> anything more than a casual relationship.
>
> >Hmmm.  Well, if she's not spoken for, might have to hook her up with
> >the local hog ridership here then...  A woman who can ride well is
> >such a terrible thing to waste.  ;)
>
> But, but, but, she rides a Kawasaki!

Well, nobody's perfect. <g>

> Kidding aside I agree we need more women riders.

Definitely.

> Now that's not to say more and more great looking women are not
> joining in the fun.

>http://www.actualriders.ca/IMG_1559.JPG

Nice!

>http://www.actualriders.ca/IMG_1562.JPG

Nice!!

> But then there is always someone ready to spoil the fun.

http://www.actualriders.ca/IMG_1564.JPG- Hide quoted text -

Ow! My eyes!

Road Glidin' Don

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Dec 30, 2009, 5:57:16 PM12/30/09
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I'm probably not in a whole lot better situation. I've got a garage,
but no natural gas heating and no insulation at all in the walls or
roof. But the 75,000 BTU/hr kerosene blast heater (runs on diesel)
going all-out will raise the temperatures enough to work on even the
coldest days. So long as I don't croak from the fumes before I can
crawl to the kill switch... <g>

don (Calgary)

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Dec 30, 2009, 7:44:38 PM12/30/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:20:45 -0800, Sean_Q_ <no....@no.spam> wrote:

>SQ - wrenching on bike(s) on an uncovered cement driveway
>in a damp soggy drippy rust-accelerating Vancouver winter.

Been there, done that, cept in South Burnaby and my wrenching was
often done on the side of the road.

Now aside from the temperature difference the same damp, soggy,
drippy, rust accelerating description applies to Vancouver summers
too. <g>


>
>However I'm negotiating to use the garage at the blueberry farm.
>I also scrounged an old 20' camper van for bike winter storage
>and then removed all the interior fixtures and seats so it was
>an empty shell and then filled it with junk with no room for my S40.
>If you're wondering how that makes any sense, I wish I knew.
>
>SQ

You could look for a used metal garden shed. I use a 10' x 12' garden
shed for my bikes. Well during the summer I will park both in there.
Right now I have rented a garage to park the XJ and the Venture. I
keep the RK closer to home in case this fucking snow ever stops.

With one bike, the shed is plenty big enough for almost all mechanical
work. It's dry and small enough to keep the temp above the frost bite
mark with a 2500 watt space heater.

Sean_Q_

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Dec 30, 2009, 8:25:31 PM12/30/09
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don (Calgary) wrote:

> You could look for a used metal garden shed.

I've thought of that, and it would mean some tricky negotiating
with the landlord. His wife is already a bit testy about all
the junk-- uh, er, that is to say "projects" stored out there.

In effect, the van is my storage shed, and it took some diplomacy
(read pie-crust-like promises) for the ok to bring it here.

> With one bike, the shed is plenty big enough for almost all mechanical
> work. It's dry and small enough to keep the temp above the frost bite
> mark with a 2500 watt space heater

There's another potential sore point: the landlord pays the hydro bill.
A space heater would cause it to soar... I'd soon hear about it.

SQ

don (Calgary)

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Dec 30, 2009, 10:54:47 PM12/30/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:25:31 -0800, Sean_Q_ <no....@no.spam> wrote:

>don (Calgary) wrote:
>
>> You could look for a used metal garden shed.
>
>I've thought of that, and it would mean some tricky negotiating
>with the landlord. His wife is already a bit testy about all
>the junk-- uh, er, that is to say "projects" stored out there.

Well you could sell him on the shed giving you somewhere to hide all
that crap, er projects. ;-)

OK, even I wouldn't believe that line of crap.


>
>In effect, the van is my storage shed, and it took some diplomacy
>(read pie-crust-like promises) for the ok to bring it here.
>
>> With one bike, the shed is plenty big enough for almost all mechanical
>> work. It's dry and small enough to keep the temp above the frost bite
>> mark with a 2500 watt space heater
>
>There's another potential sore point: the landlord pays the hydro bill.
>A space heater would cause it to soar... I'd soon hear about it.
>

Ah hell, it doesn't get that cold in Vancouver. Dress warm. Think
layers.

Kidding aside, any chance you could rent a garage somewhere nearby.

Vito

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Dec 31, 2009, 8:30:45 AM12/31/09
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"Road Glidin' Don" <d.la...@gmail.com> wrote

One again you have assuaged my compulsion to buy a newer bike.
Thank you!


Chuck Rhode

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Dec 31, 2009, 7:40:01 PM12/31/09
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On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:35:41 +0000, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> The Ducati is supposed to be every 12k, but I change it every 6k,
> because if it gets clogged, apparently it can overload the fuel pump

> which then stops working.

I've often started down the road with the fuel reserve valve set to
"off," which would have the same effect. Fuel pumps go out on classic
Wings from time to time, too.

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The Older Gentleman

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Chuck Rhode <CRh...@LacusVeris.com> wrote:

> I've often started down the road with the fuel reserve valve set to
> "off,"

Oh yes, me too.

> which would have the same effect.

I don't think it would, actually. When a filter is blocked, the pump
strains as it can't drag anything through it.

And, off-hand, I can't think of any bikes equipped with fuel pumps that
have a proper 'off' position on the fuel tap, sited between pump and
filter, although plenty may exist. And I think that's what you'd need to
achieve the same effect.

Interesting point, though. <Muses>

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