Any Vintage Suzuki experts out there?
flattrack38
DR400-1016XX. How do I find out what year it is so I can order an oil
filter? I can't find a web site that helps. Thanks.
The Older Gentleman
You don't need to find the year - all DR400s use the same oil filter.
I think a very, very few really early DRs used a replaceable canister
type (BICBW), but it's unlikely to be a problem.
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Suzuki TS250ER GN250 Damn, back to six bikes!
Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
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S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> flattrack38 <flattrac...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > I have a Suzuki engine in a non OEM frame with this serial number
> > DR400-1016XX. How do I find out what year it is so I can order an oil
> > filter? I can't find a web site that helps. Thanks.
>
> You don't need to find the year - all DR400s use the same oil filter.
>
> I think a very, very few really early DRs used a replaceable canister
> type (BICBW), but it's unlikely to be a problem.
>
What Mr. Murray said...also be glad it isn't something like the DR370
motor. That is an internal 2 stage fine mesh metal permanent filter
that will tear if the resident mice in your garage look at it funny
(the filter).
The Older Gentleman
Ah. That's what I was thinking of, so thanks for confirming it. I had a
vague memory that the early DR/SP370 (which evolved into the DR400) used
that system. Like the old Yamaha XS650.
Dave Emerson
"The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1jbeazb.94zsjpp59ptuN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk...
> S'mee <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What Mr. Murray said...also be glad it isn't something like the DR370
>> motor. That is an internal 2 stage fine mesh metal permanent filter
>> that will tear if the resident mice in your garage look at it funny
>> (the filter).
>
> Ah. That's what I was thinking of, so thanks for confirming it. I had a
> vague memory that the early DR/SP370 (which evolved into the DR400) used
> that system. Like the old Yamaha XS650.
Didn't that get sorted when the XS2 got transformed into the XS650?
If not, they certainly missed a trick.
--
Dave
ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop
http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw
The Older Gentleman
> "The Older Gentleman" <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1jbeazb.94zsjpp59ptuN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk...
> > S'mee <steven...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> What Mr. Murray said...also be glad it isn't something like the DR370
> >> motor. That is an internal 2 stage fine mesh metal permanent filter
> >> that will tear if the resident mice in your garage look at it funny
> >> (the filter).
> >
> > Ah. That's what I was thinking of, so thanks for confirming it. I had a
> > vague memory that the early DR/SP370 (which evolved into the DR400) used
> > that system. Like the old Yamaha XS650.
>
> Didn't that get sorted when the XS2 got transformed into the XS650?
Nope. They always had washable gauze oil filters - a small one behind a
circular plate on the clutch cover, and a bigger one in the sump. Thje
sump one *always* develops tears and holes.
>
> If not, they certainly missed a trick.
Yup
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> S'mee <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 1:46 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> > Gentleman) wrote:
> > > flattrack38 <flattrac...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > > > I have a Suzuki engine in a non OEM frame with this serial number
> > > > DR400-1016XX. How do I find out what year it is so I can order an oil
> > > > filter? I can't find a web site that helps. Thanks.
>
> > > You don't need to find the year - all DR400s use the same oil filter.
>
> > > I think a very, very few really early DRs used a replaceable canister
> > > type (BICBW), but it's unlikely to be a problem.
>
> > What Mr. Murray said...also be glad it isn't something like the DR370
> > motor. That is an internal 2 stage fine mesh metal permanent filter
> > that will tear if the resident mice in your garage look at it funny
> > (the filter).
>
> Ah. That's what I was thinking of, so thanks for confirming it. I had a
> vague memory that the early DR/SP370 (which evolved into the DR400) used
> that system. Like the old Yamaha XS650.
You forget...I've a stock DR370 in the garage. IF I'd spring for all
new control cables and the clutch plates it would be ridable as long
as you like straight exhaust (which I do not) That part is going to be
a chore.
Gael
Gentleman) wrote:
> Nope. They always had washable gauze oil filters - a small one behind a
> circular plate on the clutch cover, and a bigger one in the sump. Thje
> sump one *always* develops tears and holes.
BENEDICK
Gallants, I am not as I have been.
LEONATO
So say I methinks you are sadder.
CLAUDIO
I would hope he be in love with other than himself...
DON PEDRO
Hang him, truant! there's no true drop of blood in
him, to be truly touched with love: if he be sad,
he wants money.
BENEDICK
I have the toothache.
DON PEDRO
Draw it.
BENEDICK
Hang it!
CLAUDIO
You must hang it first, and draw it afterwards.
DON PEDRO
What! sigh for the toothache?
LEONATO
Where is but a humour or a worm.
BENEDICK
Well, every one can master a grief but he that has
it.
CLAUDIO
Yet say I, he is in love.
DON PEDRO
There is no appearance of fancy in him, unless it be
a fancy that he hath to strange disguises; as, to be
a Dutchman today, a Frenchman to-morrow, or in the
shape of two countries at once, as, a German from
the waist downward, all slops, and a Spaniard from
the hip upward, no doublet. Unless he have a fancy
to this foolery, as it appears he hath, he is no
fool for fancy, as you would have it appear he is.
CLAUDIO
If he be not in love with some woman, there is no
believing old signs: a' brushes his hat o'
mornings; what should that bode?
DON PEDRO
Hath any man seen him at the barber's?
CLAUDIO
No, but the barber's man hath been seen with him,
and the old ornament of his cheek hath already
stuffed tennis-balls.
LEONATO
Indeed, he looks younger than he did, by the loss of a beard.
DON PEDRO
Nay, a' rubs himself with civet: can you smell him
out by that?
CLAUDIO
That's as much as to say, the sweet youth's in love.
DON PEDRO
The greatest note of it is his melancholy.
CLAUDIO
And when was he wont to wash his face?
DON PEDRO
Yea, or to paint himself? for the which, I hear
what they say of him.
CLAUDIO
Nay, but his jesting spirit; which is now crept into
a lute-string and now governed by stops.
DON PEDRO
Indeed, that tells a heavy tale for him: conclude,
conclude he is in love.
CLAUDIO
Nay, but I know who loves him.
DON PEDRO
That would I know too: I warrant, one that knows him not.
CLAUDIO
Yes, and his ill conditions; and, in despite of
all, dies for him.
DON PEDRO
She shall be buried with her face upwards.
BENEDICK
Yet is this no charm for the toothache. Old
signior, walk aside with me: I have studied eight
or nine wise words to speak to you, which these
hobby-horses must not hear.
Exeunt BENEDICK and LEONATO
S'mee
> Exeunt BENEDICK and LEONATO
Yep using a non sequiter to PROVE you know nothing except your own
perversion. How original, how childish...much what we've come to
expect from the Chickenhawk know as Krusty/gael etc etc. the man with
1,000,000 fathers all of them nameless.
Gael
> On Dec 28, 7:17 am, Gael <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Exeunt BENEDICK and LEONATO
>
> Yep using a non sequiter to PROVE you know nothing except your own
> perversion.
My allusion totally whooshed over your head, didn't it?
Why can't you and Neil Murray just flush down the toilet, like normal
turds?
S'mee
What? You think I'm as poorly read as you that I'd have to look
something that trite up? ROTFLMAO unlike you chickenhawk...I are smart
and educated.
Gael
> On Dec 28, 10:50 am, Gael <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > My allusion totally whooshed over your head, didn't it?
> What? You think I'm as poorly read as you that I'd have to look
> something that trite up? ROTFLMAO unlike you chickenhawk...I are smart
> and educated.
Then at least *try* acting like an educated person instead of
constantly smashing beer cans on your forehead.
S'mee
heh this coming from an idiot that only knows what he googles or finds
on wiki (usually the FIRST link when you google your info)
Gael
Posting a Wikipedia or Google link is a time saver when somebody asks
for information.
Other users tell me to google for info instead of taking time to type
the simplest answer.
So why should I be treated any differently when I post a link instead
of wasting
half an hour of my time to type a reply to somebody who isn't going to
appreciate the effort?
90% of the time nobody is going to read a reply anyway, they want to
get down to the real nitty gritty of posting schoolyard taunts, just
like you do.
I thought you might be an intelligent person at first, but your
content has really degenerated over that last few years.
It must be your psychiatric meds at work, you're too young for a
second childhood.
S'mee
> On Dec 28, 1:24 pm, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 12:53 pm, Gael <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Then at least *try* acting like an educated person instead of
> > > constantly smashing beer cans on your forehead.
>
> > heh this coming from an idiot that only knows what he googles or finds
> > on wiki (usually the FIRST link when you google your info)
>
> Posting a Wikipedia or Google link is a time saver when somebody asks
> for information.
sometimes, but in you inept AND incompetant case it's the ONLY info
you have other than your perversions.
> Other users tell me to google for info instead of taking time to type
> the simplest answer.
That's because everybody KNOWS you aren't smart enough to dig it up on
your own without adult help.
> So why should I be treated any differently when I post a link instead
> of wasting
> half an hour of my time to type a reply to somebody who isn't going to
> appreciate the effort?
Because you putz it's the only attention you ever get...
> 90% of the time nobody is going to read a reply anyway, they want to
> get down to the real nitty gritty of posting schoolyard taunts, just
> like you do.
Really You assume much another proof of how mentally challenged you
are...I'd put your pathetic iq at around MAYBE 82.
> I thought you might be an intelligent person at first, but your
> content has really degenerated over that last few years.
Not really you just have improved your comprehesion skills above that
of a insane squirell.
> It must be your psychiatric meds at work, you're too young for a
> second childhood.
There you go again thinking you know what you are talking about when
you patently don't. Not surprising coming from a military reject that
got fired from grumman because he could run a vacume cleaner.
The Older Gentleman
> Other users tell me to google for info instead of taking time to type
> the simplest answer.
>
> So why should I be treated any differently when I post a link instead
> of wasting
> half an hour of my time to type a reply to somebody who isn't going to
> appreciate the effort?
Because (a) you frequently present it as your own experience and/or
knowledge (or you don't acknowledge the source, which amounts to the
same thing) and (b) you frequently post something that is completely
*wrong*.
Simples.
Let's look at this thread, by the way. OP asks a basic tech question. I
give a basic reply, with a very small proviso, based on something I
remembered from years ago when I used to own a very similar bike to the
OP's (a GN400, as it happens).
S'mee pops up and confirms the little proviso (I'm sometimes worried
about the quantity of useless info rattling around in my skull). I'm
pleased, because it means I've remembered something correctly over a
timespan of about 20 years. And the OP has the answer to his problem.
Perfect.
Dave Emerson (whose knowledge is encyclopaedic) asks a curious related
technical question, and gets a correct reply.
And then you barge in with a load of shit.
Why?
Gael
Gentleman) wrote:
> Let's look at this thread, by the way. OP asks a basic tech question. I
> give a basic reply, with a very small proviso, based on something I
> remembered from years ago when I used to own a very similar bike to the
> OP's (a GN400, as it happens).
OK, the OP's *consumer question* was answered and there was *no
reason* for you (or anybody else) to go off on a tangent, discussing
*other* motorcycles, or the varied construction of oil filters, or how
many motorcycles you've owned.
>
> S'mee pops up and confirms the little proviso
S'mee desperately needs a friend. He would bake a cake and buy two
silver rings to celebrate this new "friendship", should you ever ring
him up on the phone and announce your arrival in Cut Bank, MT, the
colder-than-a-witch's-teat anus of North America.
> (I'm sometimes worried about the quantity of useless info rattling around in
> my skull). I'm pleased, because it means I've remembered something
> correctly over a timespan of about 20 years.
This may be one of the most important Open Public Secrets anybody will
ever tell you:
Your teacup is overflowing, Bertie.
Although a tea cup has a limited capacity, the mind does not have
similar limits.
This poses a barrier for Truth seekers with overflowing tea cup minds.
They cannot pass the barrier of obscurations attached to worn-out
memories and do not understand who they really are.
Such persons do not become enlightened.
> And the OP has the answer to his problem. Perfect.
But the ungrateful OP did NOT respond to your answer at all. He has
probably solved his problem and he has *passed* this particular knot
of the web he's living in.
However, you haven't gotten past the OP's knot, you're stuck on
somebody else's knot and you're working on making the knot even
tighter.
Clue: Before his enlightenment, Siddhartha was a Nigantha, knowing
that knots were obstacles to penetrate and pass beyond...
> Dave Emerson (whose knowledge is encyclopaedic) asks a curious related
> technical question, and gets a correct reply.
And then the information thread continued to bifurcate and trifurcate,
uselessly.
Don't make all information-seeking threads into an inescapable net.
Nobody is going to come *here* looking for technical information
anymore.
> And then you barge in with a load of shit.
>
> Why?
YOU have almost single-handedly turned this group into a quarrelsome
debate, just like you and a very few others are doing in reeky.
Other than the timeless wisdom that I freely give out, there's NO
trustworthy information here, just Much Ado About Nothing.
The Older Gentleman
>
> OK, the OP's *consumer question* was answered and there was *no
> reason* for you (or anybody else) to go off on a tangent, discussing
> *other* motorcycles, or the varied construction of oil filters, or how
> many motorcycles you've owned.
Why not? Threads don't remain on topic for long. Somebody asked another
technical question. I answered it. And I can't see *any* reference to
numbers of motorcycles anywhere in the thread either. hat are you
babbling on about?
You're just bitter because you keep getting exposed for the fraud you
are.
S'mee
Whining and pissing and moaning about getting your ass handed to you
repeatedly snipped.
> I have almost single-handedly turned this group into a quarrelsome
> debate, just like I and a very few others are doing in reeky.
Fixed that for you asshat.
> Other than the timeless wisdom that YOU freely give out, there's quiet a bit of trustworthy information here, just me being an >psychotic prick and trouble making shithead.
There fixed that also you ignorant piece of trash.
flattrack38
wrote:
> I have a Suzuki engine in a non OEM frame with this serial number
> DR400-1016XX. How do I find out what year it is so I can order an oil
> filter? I can't find a web site that helps. Thanks.
After reading all the replies, I'm kinda sorry I asked. ;)
The bike has a re-useable (washable) filter located at the bottom of
the c'case. Nothing from the side. K&N, HiFlo, and other's filters do
not fit. The O.D. of the filter they say will fit is larger then the
hole in the c'case. I prefer a disposable filter. Anyone help?
Mark Olson
Who is "they" ?
If the engine doesn't have a provision for a disposable filter,
whether it is a cartridge type or a spin-on, it could be pretty
hard if not impossible to retrofit one. Why not simply use what
you have and change the oil every 1500 miles? Lots of engines
work just fine with rudimentary screen filters if you change the
oil and clean the screen often enough.
S'mee
> If the engine doesn't have a provision for a disposable filter,
> whether it is a cartridge type or a spin-on, it could be pretty
> hard if not impossible to retrofit one. Why not simply use what
> you have and change the oil every 1500 miles? Lots of engines
> work just fine with rudimentary screen filters if you change the
> oil and clean the screen often enough.
I should know this but I'm going to ask...
Would it make a difference if it were a detergent or non-detergent
oil? For the life of me I can't recall...must be getting senile or
something. 8^(
Gael
> Would it make a difference if it were a detergent or non-detergent
> oil? For the life of me I can't recall...must be getting senile or
> something. 8^(
You didn't go straight from retarded to senile, without going through
the dementia praecox stage.
That's where whatever logical faculties and memories you ever had
vanished
like a dandelion in the breeze...
The Older Gentleman
What he said.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Triumph Street Triple Honda CB400F
Suzuki TS250 Suzuki GN250 chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom
Nothing damages a machine more than an ignoramus with a manual, a
can-do attitude and a set of cheap tools
S'mee
yawn, shut up goatse YOU are the problem
The Older Gentleman
There's a certain irony in his yammering about my 'disrupting Usenet
newsgroups' when he barges in with this sort of stuff, isn't there?
Gael
wrote:
> There's a certain irony in his yammering about my 'disrupting Usenet
> newsgroups' when he barges in with this sort of stuff, isn't there?
If nobody can help the OP find the serial number info he asked for in
the course of 26 useless messages, this thread deserves to be declared
as "officially disrupted", with or without the input of Four-Eyed
Juicy Fruit or Shit Stain.
S'mee
oh, look the baby wants his rattle thrown. No can do goatse, bursitis
in the throwing arm is acting up... You'll have to just play with
yourself as usual.
Gael
> oh, pwease, Thir, pick up my wattle. Again...
Pick it up yourself. Or don't throw it in the first place. Find
something to amuse your childish mind, sonny.
The Older Gentleman
> If nobody can help the OP find the serial number info he asked for in
> the course of 26 useless messages,
The OP said it himself
DR400-1016XX
Next?
Gael
Fruit) wrote:
> Gael <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If nobody can help the OP find the serial number info he asked for in
> > the course of 26 useless messages,
>
> The OP said it himself
>
> DR400-1016XX
He wanted to know what *year* model the engine was from, so he could
find an oil filter.
You did NOT provide the information that he sought, you just claimed
that the same oil filter was used on all models.
Are you still loitering around citrus groves in Chile?
The Older Gentleman
> You did NOT provide the information that he sought, you just claimed
> that the same oil filter was used on all models.
No, I didn't.
> Are you still loitering around citrus groves in Chile?
I never was, Mister Inept Stalker.
--
S'mee
vestri bardus est infinitus
S'mee
> On Jan 22, 6:44 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (Four-eyed Juicy
>
> Fruit) wrote:
> > Gael <breoganmacbr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > If nobody can help the OP find the serial number info he asked for in
> > > the course of 26 useless messages,
>
> > The OP said it himself
>
> > DR400-1016XX
>
> He wanted to know what *year* model the engine was from, so he could
> find an oil filter.
>
> You did NOT provide the information that he sought, you just claimed
> that the same oil filter was used on all models.
For the EARLY DR400 yes. IIRC the DR400 came into existance in
1981...been while since I looked it up for my own purpose. YOU otoh
haven't a clue and like all fan boi's are stalking TOG.
OBTW
vestri bardus est infinitus
The Older Gentleman
> For the EARLY DR400 yes. IIRC the DR400 came into existance in
> 1981...been while since I looked it up for my own purpose. YOU otoh
> haven't a clue and like all fan boi's are stalking TOG.
He can't even remember what I posted, which was that the DR/GN/SP400s
all shared the same cartridge oil filter *but also that* the very first
early models didn't have this, but a washable filter instead.
In other words, precisely the info the OP needed, because if there
wasn't a removable cartridge filter, then it meant he indeed had one of
the very early models.
Simples.
--
S'mee
Gentleman) wrote:
> S'mee <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > For the EARLY DR400 yes. IIRC the DR400 came into existance in
> > 1981...been while since I looked it up for my own purpose. YOU otoh
> > haven't a clue and like all fan boi's are stalking TOG.
>
> He can't even remember what I posted, which was that the DR/GN/SP400s
> all shared the same cartridge oil filter *but also that* the very first
> early models didn't have this, but a washable filter instead.
>
> In other words, precisely the info the OP needed, because if there
> wasn't a removable cartridge filter, then it meant he indeed had one of
> the very early models.
>
> Simples.
>
indeed, iirc it's SAME washable filter that the DR370 (direct
precursor to the DR400) But I'd have to look at the parts fische and
cross reference it...
Mark Olson
Then it is this part:
STRAINER, ENGINE OIL
16520-32430
Looked it up for a 1978 DR370 on http://partshark.com
And I see the OP already got the definitive answer on a web forum
three weeks ago, and is _still_ coming back here to ask where he can
get the WRONG filter.
http://www.flattrack.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=46&func=view&catid=9&id=78392
" Re:Any vintage Suzuki experts out there? 3 Weeks ago
Mike, I have the filter you need in my hand right now. It's 59mm
high x 49mm wide with 19.5mm i.d. o-ring....part number 16520-32430
brass colored microscreen style. I'ts new I'll sell it to you if
you need it."
The OP, Mike, also said this on that web forum, but AFAIK he didn't
share this detail with us for some reason:
"The original strainer is coming apart, I don't want pieces of bronze
mesh working it's way up the oil passages."
Mike- go to a Suzuki dealer, or go on ebay, or google for that part
number. It's a metal mesh filter. You aren't going to find a
paper filter that replaces it, and even if you do it's probably not
a good idea to try to put a paper filter in there unless you REALLY
know what you are doing. Just put the correct OEM part in there.
It's really the right thing to do.
The Older Gentleman
> And I see the OP already got the definitive answer on a web forum
> three weeks ago, and is _still_ coming back here to ask where he can
> get the WRONG filter.
Wow. A mong-off between the OP and KrustyUS. This should be fun :-)
Gael
Fruit) wrote:
> Wow. A mong-off between the OP and KrustyUS. This should be fun :-)
Oh, you stepped into deep doo doo with that remark. All the Schiffners
are mongs, yannow...
S'mee
Thankyou for proving how uneducated you are...we already knew you
weren't smart enough to be reatrded.
S'mee
> S'mee wrote:
> > On Jan 22, 10:43 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> > Gentleman) wrote:
> >> S'mee <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> For the EARLY DR400 yes. IIRC the DR400 came into existance in
> >>> 1981...been while since I looked it up for my own purpose. YOU otoh
> >>> haven't a clue and like all fan boi's are stalking TOG.
> >> He can't even remember what I posted, which was that the DR/GN/SP400s
> >> all shared the same cartridge oil filter *but also that* the very first
> >> early models didn't have this, but a washable filter instead.
>
> >> In other words, precisely the info the OP needed, because if there
> >> wasn't a removable cartridge filter, then it meant he indeed had one of
> >> the very early models.
>
> >> Simples.
>
> > indeed, iirc it's SAME washable filter that the DR370 (direct
> > precursor to the DR400) But I'd have to look at the parts fische and
> > cross reference it...
>
> Then it is this part:
>
> STRAINER, ENGINE OIL
> 16520-32430
>
>
> And I see the OP already got the definitive answer on a web forum
> three weeks ago, and is _still_ coming back here to ask where he can
> get the WRONG filter.
>
>
> " Re:Any vintage Suzuki experts out there? 3 Weeks ago
> Mike, I have the filter you need in my hand right now. It's 59mm
> high x 49mm wide with 19.5mm i.d. o-ring....part number 16520-32430
> brass colored microscreen style. I'ts new I'll sell it to you if
> you need it."
>
> The OP, Mike, also said this on that web forum, but AFAIK he didn't
> share this detail with us for some reason:
>
> "The original strainer is coming apart, I don't want pieces of bronze
> mesh working it's way up the oil passages."
>
> Mike- go to a Suzuki dealer, or go on ebay, or google for that part
> number. It's a metal mesh filter. You aren't going to find a
> paper filter that replaces it, and even if you do it's probably not
> a good idea to try to put a paper filter in there unless you REALLY
> know what you are doing. Just put the correct OEM part in there.
> It's really the right thing to do.
OFFS...this guy MUST be Krusty nee' goatse's real persona.
Gael
wrote:
> Thankyou for proving how uneducated you are...we already knew you
> weren't smart enough to be reatrded.
I learned everything I need to know from you, Sergeant Shit Stain.
The drill goes as follows:
1. Feel the overwhelming urge to defecate.
2. Satisfy the urge. Whenever, wherever. After all, you *own* the
urge, it's nobody else's urge.
3. Drop pants (optional).
4. Void your bowels.
5. Don't worry about clean up, somebody else can do that later.
6. Pull pants back up (optional).
7. Wander away, satisfied.
8. Repeat the procedure, whenever, wherever.
S'mee
Yep the procedures you developed as goatse and presaged when you
worked for grumman do work for losers, failures and never was types.
Doesn't work for me...
See unlike YOU I'm civilized. So goatse the chickenhawk...have a nice
existance, but watch yourself. I hear there are some slime molds that
are mad because you are giving them a bad name.