Best tires for a metric cruiser?
That One
but bad news for the OEM Dunlop radials that it came with, although I have
had no particular problems with them.
Since these damn things are so expensive anyway, I want to get the best
tires for my bike, SO WHAT BRAND/MODEL OF RADIAL TIRES WOULD BE BEST FOR MY
CRUISER?
Thanks
Shantideva Upasaka
> Since these damn things are so expensive anyway, I want to get the best
> tires for my bike, SO WHAT BRAND/MODEL OF RADIAL TIRES WOULD BE BEST FOR MY
> CRUISER?
Round black ones.
Go to www.denniskirk.com and buy what's on sale.
Don't worry, be happy.
That One
"Shantideva Upasaka" <macm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Round black ones.
Well this doesn't seem to be too awful fucking helpful. However, they do
have one tire that will fit:
Bridgestone Exedra G850 Blackwall Tire
Are these things better or worse than the Dunlops I have now?
Other sites have Michelin, Avon, and Kenda tires listed for my bike. Maybe
more.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
> Bridgestone Exedra G850 Blackwall Tire
>
> Are these things better or worse than the Dunlops I have now?
Worse. They will give you Excedrin headache #2 because they are so
hard.
>
> Other sites have Michelin, Avon, and Kenda tires listed for my bike. Maybe
> more.
Personally, I like Metzlers (made by the same people that make
Pirellis which they charge more for.
When I can't get Metzler's, I go for Dunlops.
Cheng Shin is a Chinese brand which is trying to improve its
reputation by rebranding their tires as "Maxxis". I have a SuperMaxx
front tire on my Yamaha because nobody else makes a tire in that size.
The Older Gentleman
Oh, look, KrustyUS has morphed again.
> Cheng Shin is a Chinese brand
No, it's not. It's Taiwanese. We've done this before.
>which is trying to improve its
> reputation by rebranding their tires as "Maxxis".
The Maxxis has nothing in common the CS tyres of the 1970s. In fact,
it's pretty good in my experience, if you want a decent touring tyre.
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Try Googling before asking a damn silly question.
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Bob Scott
>Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me! <macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Oh, look, KrustyUS has morphed again.
>
>> Cheng Shin is a Chinese brand
>
>No, it's not. It's Taiwanese. We've done this before.
>
>>which is trying to improve its
>> reputation by rebranding their tires as "Maxxis".
>
>The Maxxis has nothing in common the CS tyres of the 1970s. In fact,
>it's pretty good in my experience, if you want a decent touring tyre.
>
>
was pleasantly surprised when we tried them on my wife's bike a few
years back. They gripped better than the Pirellis they replaced & lasted
longer.
If they were readily available in the sizes my Laverda uses I'd be using
them on it.
--
Bob Scott
TOG@Toil
> The Older Gentleman <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> writes>Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me! <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Oh, look, KrustyUS has morphed again.
>
> >> Cheng Shin is a Chinese brand
>
> >No, it's not. It's Taiwanese. We've done this before.
>
> >>which is trying to improve its
> >> reputation by rebranding their tires as "Maxxis".
>
> >The Maxxis has nothing in common the CS tyres of the 1970s. In fact,
> >it's pretty good in my experience, if you want a decent touring tyre.
>
> Indeed - I remember earl '80s Cheng Shins as being teflon terrors and
> was pleasantly surprised when we tried them on my wife's bike a few
> years back. They gripped better than the Pirellis they replaced & lasted
> longer.
>
> If they were readily available in the sizes my Laverda uses I'd be using
> them on it.
I had a set on my Kawasaki GT750 (I think - might have been my 900
Diversion). Neither was an out-and-out sports bike, but the tyres were
"fine for the type of bike". Lozzo on ukrm rather rates them as well,
and his is an opinion to respect.
Greg.Procter
The only advice I can offer is keep the same brand front and rear!
Greg.P.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
> The only advice I can offer is keep the same brand front and rear!
Tires are designed in sets, of front and rear, and of course are
either bias ply or
radials.
A motorcycle owner is well advised to use the original equipment tire
(if he can still get it) and not to change the tire size or carcass
type.
Of course I learned all of this the hard way, by experimenting with
over-sized tires in the hopes of getting more traction from a
theoretically wider tire...
The Older Gentleman
> A motorcycle owner is well advised to use the original equipment tire
> (if he can still get it)
Nonsense.
--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Triumph Street Triple Honda CB400F
Suzuki TS250 Suzuki GN250 chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom
Nothing damages a machine more than an ignoramus with a manual, a
can-do attitude and a set of cheap tools
frijoli
> Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me! <macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A motorcycle owner is well advised to use the original equipment tire
>> (if he can still get it)
>
> Nonsense.
>
>
Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with the OEM
tire, but that doesn't mean it's the best.
Generally speaking the OEM size is good, and is chosen
according to engineering calculations, but the brand and
type is picked by the lowest bidder for that size and type.
Tire technology also changes quickly, so do the research,
and IF you choose the OEM tire then so be it, but don't
choose it for any other reason than it was the best choice
for you.
Clay
The Older Gentleman
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me! <macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A motorcycle owner is well advised to use the original equipment tire
> >> (if he can still get it)
> >
> > Nonsense.
> >
> >
> Agreed.
>
> Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with the OEM
> tire, but that doesn't mean it's the best.
Quite
>
> Generally speaking the OEM size is good, and is chosen
> according to engineering calculations, but the brand and
> type is picked by the lowest bidder for that size and type.
Quite. I remember my Duke came fitted with Michelin Macadams - a
dreadful rock-hard touring tyre.
>
> Tire technology also changes quickly,
This is another good point that I hadn't considered. According to
Krusty's logic, if you have a 30 year-old bike, you should seek out 30
yer-old tyres for it.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
> Generally speaking the OEM size is good, and is chosen
> according to engineering calculations, but the brand and
> type is picked by the lowest bidder for that size and type.
That's a dated story from the mid-1970's. We live in the 21st century,
if you haven't noticed.
The bean counters at Japan Inc. used to buy tires in mass quantities
because they could save a nickel on each tire and a Honda CB750 only
had about 50 horsepower and would barely go 120 mph.
Japan Inc. could, and did, get way with selling motorcycles with
capital-C Crappy
tires.
But, as demands for performance and higher continuous speeds
increased, the demands on tires became greater and Japan Inc.
requested tires to be built to meet those demands.
So, if you go to the Bridgestone web site looking for aftermarket
replacement tires, you will find that there is a generic BS tire of
many offering, and there is
a *model-specific* version of a tire with an otherwise generic set of
model numbers.
IOW, there are versions of Battle Ax tires that are specifically
designed for BMW's or Kawasaki ZX's, etc., but you wouldn't know which
Battle Ax was specific for a particular machine if you were browsing
the tire rack at a discount
parts outlet.
And, when the online catalog stores are offering deep discounts on MC
tires, you
need to know whether the tire you're mail ordering is a generic
aftermarket replacement or model specific part number.
frijoli
> On Nov 13, 7:11 pm, frijoli <c...@dud.gov> wrote:
>
>> Generally speaking the OEM size is good, and is chosen
>> according to engineering calculations, but the brand and
>> type is picked by the lowest bidder for that size and type.
>
> That's a dated story from the mid-1970's. We live in the 21st century,
> if you haven't noticed.
That was from experience as I used to work for Bridgestone
in the sales and engineering group. I don't know what
article you are referring to either way.
As I said tires are engineered into the bikes according to
the needs of the bike and riding type. Then, and this IS a
fact even today, the specifications are sent to the tire
manufacturers and they BID on the project.
You are correct too in that model specific tires are used.
However, the model specific tire are in fact a CHEAPER
version of the same non model specific in most cases. In
cases that the model specific tire is not a cheaper version,
then they are the SAME as all the other tires of that type
and model.
The Older Gentleman
> Japan Inc. could, and did, get way with selling motorcycles with
> capital-C Crappy
> tires.
No argument. But thast was because Japan itself couldn't *make* decen
tyres, and they were unwilling to import quality rubber.
>
> But, as demands for performance and higher continuous speeds
> increased, the demands on tires became greater and Japan Inc.
> requested tires to be built to meet those demands.
Well, duh.
>
> So, if you go to the Bridgestone web site looking for aftermarket
> replacement tires, you will find that there is a generic BS tire of
> many offering, and there is
> a *model-specific* version of a tire with an otherwise generic set of
> model numbers.
>
> IOW, there are versions of Battle Ax tires that are specifically
> designed for BMW's or Kawasaki ZX's, etc., but you wouldn't know which
> Battle Ax was specific for a particular machine if you were browsing
> the tire rack at a discount
> parts outlet.
In other words, Japan does make decent tyres.
And they're called 'Battlax' tyres anyway.
You really don' know what you're talking about.
Mark Olson
> You are correct too in that model specific tires are used.
> However, the model specific tire are in fact a CHEAPER version of the
> same non model specific in most cases. In cases that the model specific
> tire is not a cheaper version, then they are the SAME as all the other
> tires of that type and model.
I don't think this is true in all cases. My FJR came with model
specific Metezeler Roadtec Z6 tires with a "C" suffix. These tires are
significantly more expensive than the ones without the "C" suffix. I
suspect the reason is due to heavier construction.
METZELER Z6 ROADTEC 180/55ZR-17 REAR [03020012] $140.07
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_165_170&products_id=3405
METZELER Z6 ROADTEC 180/55ZR-17 (73W) C REAR [16-03040033] $167.68
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_165_170&products_id=3423
frijoli
Fair enough.
My comment was a little too broad, and was directed at the
post that you should always use the exact same tire as was
put on at the factory.
In your case and in others there are no tires that fit the
stock product lines, and special tires are developed to meet
the engineering criteria for the motorcycle. I stand by what
I said though, that the specs are given to the
manufacturers, and the lowest bidder typically gets the
business.
That doesn't mean there isn't a BETTER tire available.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
Gentleman) wrote:
> No argument. But thast was because Japan itself couldn't *make* decen
> tyres, and they were unwilling to import quality rubber.
Two typos in one sentence, from an Englishman who's arrogantly proud
of his
superior knowledge of the language?
The horror! The horror!
So far as I know, there are NO rubber trees in Japan, and all natural
rubber is probably imported from Southeast Asia or South America.
Natural rubber is very adhesive and offers good traction, but it wears
out rapidly.
The OEM tires on my 1974 Suzuki GT750L were natural rubber Inoue tires
made in Japan. They only lasted 5000 miles and that started me off on
a search for tires that would last much longer in touring use.
I tried exactly ONE Dunlop K-81, it was a natural rubber Irish-built
K-81 that
only lasted 3,000 miles.
But the grip was fantastic! All the Ricky Racers in Los Angeles knew
to look for the "made in Ireland" on the sidewalls when they bought
K-81's off the rack.
A cheapskate BMW rider steered me towards Cheng Shin tires which
lasted longer, but I didn't like the tread pattern. He claimed that he
was getting 22K miles on Cheng Shin rear tires on his /5 (or whatever)
Beemer.
I also tried Nitto tires, which wore very well and Dunlop provided
long lasting K-81 Mk II's and K-181's that wore like iron under daily
commuting on California's abrasive concrete freeways.
I finally got scared of the hard Dunlop K-181 rear and replaced it
after nearly 15K miles. That's the longest-lasting rear tire I ever
used.
Sometime during the 1980's Bridgestone began compounding more
expensive synthetic rubber with natural rubber to make their Spitfire
series of tires wear better.
I don't know where Japanese manufacturers get their synthetic rubber
from, but it would seem reasonable that it comes from some place that
has lots of petroleum,
perhaps Malyasia?
> Well, duh.
That remark seems to fit you and your catamite Smee very well.
>
> In other words, Japan does make decent tyres.
Since the mid-1980's, anyway. But the OEM Excedra front tire on my
1982
GS-1100EZ was memorable for having very little grip and the the front
end didn't feel
"planted".
A knowledgeable friend who owned a Yamaha Eurosport wanted to show me
how he could slide my GS1100 around corners like he'd slid his own
GS-1100ET around, on a road that was very well known to both of us.
So we swapped and I rode his Eurosport which had race compound K-81 MK-
II's and I flat ran away and hid from him on his own motorcycle.
About five minutes later, he arrived at the hangout and declared that
my Suzuki's front wheel didn't seem "planted" at all. Part of that was
due to the difference in weight distribution between his Suzuki and
mine, but it was mostly that gawdawful BS Excedra tire.
>
> And they're called 'Battlax' tyres anyway.
>
> You really don' know what you're talking about.
Oh, goody. Now I can point out your typos, too!
Mark Olson
No argument from me on that point. In general I recommend sticking
with the stock size tires, but not the exact OEM tire that came on
the bike. In this particular case these are pretty good tires for
me. They seem to grip pretty well, have no obvious bad handling
characteristics, and last a reasonable number of miles. Are they
the best tire on the market for the FJR for agressive sport riding?
I sincerely doubt it. The FJR forums endlessly debate what the best
tire is, I stay out of those discussions. I fully agree that OEM
tires are usually cheap, adequate but nothing especially good about
them. There are exceptions to this, IIRC Buell had a new model a
few years ago with very lightweight tires that handled very well
and no one other than the OEM had a suitable replacement.
frijoli
can say those tires STICK.
I personally am a fan of Metzeler tires and have been for
years. I haven't had any issues from any I have used or abused.
Clay
Mark Olson
>>>> METZELER Z6 ROADTEC 180/55ZR-17 (73W) C REAR [16-03040033] $167.68
>>>> http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=33_165_170&products_id=3423
> Actually those are excellent tires. I rode a friends FJR and can say
> those tires STICK.
> I personally am a fan of Metzeler tires and have been for years. I
> haven't had any issues from any I have used or abused.
I have been a Metzeler fan since the 80s when I used the ME33 Laser
and ME99A Perfect combo on my Kawasaki KZ bikes. I was a little
disappointed in the OEM MEZ4s on my SV650 when compared with Pirelli
Diablos but that wasn't a fair apples/oranges comparison. I am on
my 2nd set of Z6s now, and will replace them with another set
(perhaps in the new "Interact" type) when they wear out.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
<macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sometime during the 1980's Bridgestone began compounding more
> expensive synthetic rubber with natural rubber to make their Spitfire
> series of tires wear better.
So far as I know, the first British tires to be compounded with
synthetic rubber were Avon Speedmasters in the mid-1960's. The parts
guy at a large motorcycle emporium in Inglewood steered me to the
Avons when I told him I was going to mount wider rims and tires on my
Yamaha 250cc cafe racer.
He called the high hysteresis synthetic rubber "cling rubber".
But I wasn't a good enother rider to find out how well they would
stick...
Then Dunlop came out with their K-81 trigonic section offerings, but I
was getting heavy into desert riding and didn't buy any at that
time...
The Older Gentleman
> > No argument. But thast was because Japan itself couldn't *make* decen
> > tyres, and they were unwilling to import quality rubber.
>
> Two typos in one sentence, from an Englishman who's arrogantly proud
> of his
> superior knowledge of the language?
>
> The horror! The horror!
>
> So far as I know, there are NO rubber trees in Japan, and all natural
> rubber is probably imported from Southeast Asia or South America.
By "rubber "I meant "tyres" obviously.
And your attempts to divert posts away from your fatuity is pathetic.
You were, and are, talking nonsense.
The Older Gentleman
> On Nov 14, 9:25 am, "Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!"
> <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sometime during the 1980's Bridgestone began compounding more
> > expensive synthetic rubber with natural rubber to make their Spitfire
> > series of tires wear better.
>
> So far as I know, the first British tires to be compounded with
> synthetic rubber were Avon Speedmasters in the mid-1960's. The parts
> guy at a large motorcycle emporium in Inglewood steered me to the
> Avons when I told him I was going to mount wider rims and tires on my
> Yamaha 250cc cafe racer.
>
> He called the high hysteresis synthetic rubber "cling rubber".
Actually, that's the phrase Avon used for their Roadrunners.
>
> But I wasn't a good enother rider to find out how well they would
> stick...
They didn't, once you got off the vertical. SMs were squarish section. I
think you're muddling them up with Roadrunners.
>
> Then Dunlop came out with their K-81 trigonic section offerings, but I
> was getting heavy into desert riding and didn't buy any at that
> time...
Annd all your blathering has *nothing* to do with your essential
inanity, which was to tell people to fit the OE tyres.
Oh, and learn the difference between typos when something's knocked up
in haste and crap language. The first is me. The second is you.
And the Bridgestones were called Exedras, btw.
--
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
Gentleman) wrote:
> Oh, and learn the difference between typos when something's knocked up
> in haste and crap language. The first is me. The second is you.
> And the Bridgestones were called Exedras, btw.
Protecting the world from all the "misinformation" that I seem to be
spreading must be a challenging task, consuming most of your day.
However, I suspect that you'll find somebody else to follow around the
interweb
when I'm gone, as a long-nosed busybody's work is never done...
P'raps it really isn't that your nose is so long, it's that your chin
is so short and that makes it easier to get your nose closer to
everybody's plumbing...
frijoli
>
> Protecting the world from all the "misinformation" that I seem to be
> spreading must be a challenging task, consuming most of your day.
>
> However, I suspect that you'll find somebody else to follow around the
> interweb
> when I'm gone, as a long-nosed busybody's work is never done...
>
> P'raps it really isn't that your nose is so long, it's that your chin
> is so short and that makes it easier to get your nose closer to
> everybody's plumbing...
>
>
And this is why you have no credibility.
Clay
TOG@Toil
<macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Protecting the world from all the "misinformation" that I seem to be
> spreading must be a challenging task, consuming most of your day.
>
It is, rather.
Just in this thread you've managed to advise people to fit (say) 30
year-old tyres to 30 year-old bikes (if they can be obtained), given
an unwanted treatise on (the lack of) Japanese natural rubber
production, managed to mis-spell two major tyre types, confused Avon
Speedmasters with Avon Roadrunners, called Cheng Shin tyres crap on
the basis of your experiences of several decades ago, told the world
that they're Chinese tyres when they're not, and used your antique
crappy old Suzuki as some sort of benchmark for tyre technology.
I honestly can't think of anyone who's managed to make so many
mistakes, and prove themselves so ignorant, in one short thread of
(checks) 26 postings.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
> And this is why you have no credibility.
As if a WOP like you even knows the difference between "frijole" and
"fagiole"...
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
> I honestly can't think of anyone who's managed to make so many
> mistakes, and prove themselves so ignorant, in one short thread of
> (checks) 26 postings.
I honestly can't imagine any rational person keeping track of supposed
"errors" made by a total stranger thousands of miles away, and then
spending his precious life pointing out the supposed errors to Useless
Net news groups.
That makes about as much sense as singing opera down a toilet...
TOG@Toil
<macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 4:10 am, "TOG@Toil" <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I honestly can't think of anyone who's managed to make so many
> > mistakes, and prove themselves so ignorant, in one short thread of
> > (checks) 26 postings.
>
> I honestly can't imagine any rational person keeping track of supposed
> "errors" made by a total stranger thousands of miles away
But *you* are the one who bangs on about how important it is that you
give advice to people in this ng. And Usenet is a global medium, isn't
it?
> and then
> spending his precious life pointing out the supposed errors
They're not supposed. Or are you going to deny that you told everyone
Cheng Shin is a crappy Chinese tyre brand?
> to Useless
> Net news groups.
>
If they're useless, why are you here?
And I can't imagine a rational person telling people thousands of
miles away that they're homosexual.....
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> OK- I gotta buy new tires for my Kawasaki Mean Streak 1600. ...
>
> SO WHAT BRAND/MODEL OF RADIAL TIRES WOULD BE BEST FOR MY CRUISER?
The only advice I can offer is get tires with *air* in them!
Last Friday, I rode over to my local dealer for my annual state
inspection. I got in line behind a guy with a Victory cruiser.
He passed all mechanical inspection, but then the inspector added at
least *20 pounds* of air pressure to his rear tire!
--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive on flat tires
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
> And I can't imagine a rational person telling people thousands of
> miles away that they're homosexual.....
Well, maybe you just never noticed that aspect of your existence,
thinking that *everybody* was into the same thing as you, and was
*proud* of what they did secretly...
The Older Gentleman
I rest my case.
Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me!
Gentleman) wrote:
> Nagarjuna's Catuskoti clawed me! <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, maybe you just never noticed that aspect of your existence,
> > thinking that *everybody* was into the same thing as you, and was
> > *proud* of what they did secretly...
>
> I rest my case.
< righteous california bro >
"Shut up, fag!"
< /righteous california bro >
