Round 5, FOAK: 1982 Kawie KZ550 C3 LTD Restoration Options
Biker Dude
good souls log on and start swearing....
1st: I just used Slime and if you use the recommended amount then it
WILL NOT cause an imbalance.
2nd: The Slime treatment did not seal the leak this time and I will
replace the tire, look around inside, and replace the valve and report
back.
Ques: The proper tire is 100/90x19. I tend to buyer larger tires than
standard because it simply enlarges the diameter and offers more patch
to grip the road. The is for cars. Should I go one size larger?
110/90x19 or any other size? My intuition tells me to keep the
original size.....
What say ye, FOAK? <as I duck for cover>
Mark Olson
> Ques: The proper tire is 100/90x19. I tend to buyer larger tires than
> standard because it simply enlarges the diameter and offers more patch
> to grip the road. The is for cars. Should I go one size larger?
> 110/90x19 or any other size? My intuition tells me to keep the
> original size.....
Stick with the original tire size. In 99.9% of all cases it is the
correct choice, for best handling. Bigger != better and just going up a
single size increment can cause truly surprising handling issues. This
is assuming the tire and rim width match. Putting a significantly wider
tire than is correct for a particular rim width will change the tire
profile for the worse, and will *really* screw up handling.
Even staying with the original size and switching tire brands/models you
can sometimes have size-related issues. My CB900C rear tire would rub
against the swingarm if I didn't use the right tire, even though it was
the same numerical size as the OEM tire.
little man upon the stair
> This is fun. I simply ask the technical questions and the rest of you
> good souls log on and start swearing....
That's because TOG is a self-important asshole. He's been that way
ever since the other chaps at the boarding school rode him rather
roughly...
> Ques: The proper tire is 100/90x19. I tend to buyer larger tires than
> standard because it simply enlarges the diameter and offers more patch
> to grip the road. The is for cars. Should I go one size larger?
> 110/90x19 or any other size? My intuition tells me to keep the
> original size.....
It's not a good idea to mess around with changing tire sizes for a
number of reasons.
1. If you mount a wider tire than standard on the rims you have, the
tire sidewalls may be closer together than is optimum for the wider
tire, so it will "crown" in the center, IOW, the cross-sectional
profile will be rounder than optimum, so you can't use all of the tire
when you lean over. This is especially noticeable with rear tires,
since you want to be able to lean over until you feel a distinct
*edge* of the tire at maximum lean angle. Front tires have a more
radial cross-sectional profile so you never feel the edge, you just
run off it and the front tire washes out, which is what you want it to
do.
2. If you install a larger diameter tire, it will lower your cruising
RPM slightly, and you might need to downshift to a lower gear to climb
a hill or fight a headwind.
3. Larger diameter tires also raise the center of gravity of the
machine slightly and change the steering feel slightly too.
All that said, if I found that a manufacturer offered an attractive
110/80x19 tire, I would check out their technical specifications
section to see if it would fit on my original rims properly and still
be the same diameter as the 100/90x19 tire.
The Older Gentleman
> The Slime treatment did not seal the leak this time and I will
> replace the tire, look around inside, and replace the valve and report
> back.
Heh.
>
> Ques: The proper tire is 100/90x19. I tend to buyer larger tires than
> standard because it simply enlarges the diameter and offers more patch
> to grip the road. The is for cars. Should I go one size larger?
> 110/90x19 or any other size? My intuition tells me to keep the
> original size.....
Yes, do that. Mismatched tyres can set up some odd handling effects.
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Bob Scott
Stick with your 100/90 19. I dunno about the LTD but the standard Z550
felt fine with a Brdigestone BT45 in that size.
Come to think of it, my wife reckons the 100/90 19 Continental Avenue
front tyre on her bike is as good as the BT45 it replaced & I liked it
because it was cheaper than the BT :-)
--
Bob Scott
little man upon the stair
> Stick with your 100/90 19. I dunno about the LTD but the standard Z550
> felt fine with a Brdigestone BT45 in that size.
The decision to use a BT45 might depend on how much the owner rides in
the wet.
California has a dry, semi-mediterranean climate (read: almost north
African) most of the year and I don't ride in the rainy season any
way.
BT45's are a rain tire, in my estimation, and they are too squirmy
because of the
deep rain channels that allow the tread blocks to move around.
Biker Dude
Worked reasonably well, prying the carcuss of the rim was a treat.
Only obvious problem was that this skin had been on the bike for
10 or 20 years. The rim was embedded with rubber scum. Used
paint stripper to remove the rubber and polished the entire bead with
a rotary buffer.
Does anyone know the DOT date codes for tires? That's "tyres" for TOG
and it seems that tire ratings may be nearly universal nowdays.
Biker Dude
Beryl
...
> Only obvious problem was that this skin had been on the bike for
> 10 or 20 years. The rim was embedded with rubber scum. Used
> paint stripper to remove the rubber and polished the entire bead with
> a rotary buffer.
Because you want the new tire to spin on the rim easily?
Biker Dude
I wanted to make sure that some of the small areas of corrosion were
removed along with the traces of embedded rubber. Don't want any
chance of a leak from the bead area.
It's a front tire and I don't think there's any chance of it spinning
on the rim.
It did get me curious about tires, tire ratings, etc., I looked up
some info such as speed ratings, sizing. In a metric world it seems
that tire diameters are measured in inches. Weird.
The Older Gentleman
> BT45's are a rain tire, in my estimation, and they are too squirmy
> because of the
> deep rain channels that allow the tread blocks to move around.
Utter nonsense. Unlike you, I use them regularly. On my third set on the
K.
And they're dual compound tyres: hard rubber on the centreline for
straight motorway running, and softer rubber on the sides (which don't
get used as much) for cornering.
And their rain channels are no deeper than any other
The Older Gentleman
> I wanted to make sure that some of the small areas of corrosion were
> removed along with the traces of embedded rubber. Don't want any
> chance of a leak from the bead area.
<Nods in agreement>
Makles sense.
In any case, chromed rims are fairly highly polished and smooth, and
tyres don't generally slip on those.
little man upon the stair
> It did get me curious about tires, tire ratings, etc., I looked up
> some info such as speed ratings, sizing. In a metric world it seems
> that tire diameters are measured in inches. Weird.
We started out with the English system, so we have wheels defined in
inches and speed ratings defined in miles per hour, and I have no
problem whatever with that.
It's hard enough to understand the language of engineering using the
English system, without complicating it with a system where it's easy
to be in error by a factor of 10, 100, or 1000.
Remember the American Mars probes that failed because of a problem
with a conflict between the English system and the metric system?
The metric system is a French conspiracy to undermine the Americans
and British with confusing units. It looks logical at first, and then
you discover absurdities in the basic units.
Like, anybody can understand inflation pressure in pounds per square
inch,
they deal with canned items that typically contain about a pound of
whatever.
You can get a general idea that an ounce is 1/16th of a pound, but
nobody ever talks about tire inflation pressure in terms of ounces per
square inch...
But the pascal, as I recall, is the basic pressure unit of the metric
conspiracy
and it's approximately equal to the weight of an annoying French fly
sitting on a postage stamp in a vacuum.
Is that insane, or what?
little man upon the stair
Gentleman) wrote:
> little man upon the stair <macmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BT45's are a rain tire, in my estimation, and they are too squirmy
> > because of the deep rain channels that allow the tread blocks to move around.
>
> Utter nonsense. Unlike you, I use them regularly. On my third set on the
> K.
One set was enough for me. I need more consistent grip.
S'mee
Silly little girl, you use slime BEFORE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM...sheesh.
S'mee
wrote:
> On Nov 6, 4:16 pm, Bob Scott <B...@bobandaileen.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Stick with your 100/90 19. I dunno about the LTD but the standard Z550
> > felt fine with a Brdigestone BT45 in that size.
>
> The decision to use a BT45 might depend on how much the owner rides in
> the wet.
>
> California has a dry, semi-mediterranean climate (read: almost north
> African) most of the year and I don't ride in the rainy season any
> way.
PUssy...
> BT45's are a rain tire, in my estimation, and they are too squirmy
> because of the
> deep rain channels that allow the tread blocks to move around.
AH but you don't ride in the rain you uneducated goat raper. The
BT45's do well everywhere BUT mud, sand and ice. Yeah, I've actuall
done all that...
Now dear "hating yorself because you are homosexual" Krusty. Fuck offf
you don't know shit from shinola boy.
S'mee
Oh you are a wit...less.
Bob Scott
>little man upon the stair <macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BT45's are a rain tire, in my estimation, and they are too squirmy
>> because of the
>> deep rain channels that allow the tread blocks to move around.
>
>Utter nonsense. Unlike you, I use them regularly. On my third set on the
>K.
>
Laverda and we're run them on the Bonneville as well. Can't say I've
ever noticed them being squirmy in the 50000 plus miles I've done on
them in the last 10 years plus.
The only reason we tried the Conti's on the Bonneville was that they
were on special offer.
>And they're dual compound tyres: hard rubber on the centreline for
>straight motorway running, and softer rubber on the sides (which don't
>get used as much) for cornering.
>
They do last well.
Probably why I keep buying them.
--
Bob Scott
Biker Dude
>
Abusive people will often blame the person they’re abusing for the
abuse, and thus the problem remains unresolved causing accumulating
hurt, anger, feelings of inferiority and worthlessness to remain and
exponentially increase over time, tearing down the target’s self-
esteem, and eating away at her spirit.
If this pattern exists in your relationship, you’ll not only be
saddled with the hurt the other person caused you by doing or saying
whatever hurtful things they did, but you are also left with the BLAME
for their behavior and/or consequences of their behavior. To an
abuser, the fact that they did or said it — AND the fact that it hurt
you is YOUR fault. Abusive people never accept any responsibility for
their own behavior or the consequences of it. They blame the person
they’re abusing and, due to the dynamics of these types of
relationships, the target will often accept the blame, and may even
begin blaming themselves for the abuser’s behavior, too.
paul c
...
> But the pascal, as I recall, is the basic pressure unit of the metric
> conspiracy
> and it's approximately equal to the weight of an annoying French fly
> sitting on a postage stamp in a vacuum.
>
> Is that insane, or what?
>
Seems sane to me - he has to sit if there's no air.
The Older Gentleman
> You can get a general idea that an ounce is 1/16th of a pound
Not always ;-)
The Older Gentleman
On a sports bike, you might. But they're not sold as sports bike tyres.
I see you've snipped the 'rain channels' bit. Why?
Shantideva Upasaka
> On Nov 7, 8:35 am, "S'mee" <stevenkei...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Silly little girl, you use slime BEFORE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM...sheesh.-
Reincarnated from a donkey in a previous existence, Keith amassed much
fixed karma as a soldier serving evil intentions for personal profit.
He was misguided by defiled mentations of "patriotism. Keith will
spend eons as a hell-being, before given the chance to be reborn as a
human being with the possibility of becoming enlightened...
> Abusive people will often blame the person they’re abusing for the
> abuse, and thus the problem remains unresolved causing accumulating
> hurt, anger, feelings of inferiority and worthlessness to remain and
> exponentially increase over time, tearing down the target’s self-
> esteem, and eating away at her spirit.
May flowers fall gently from the sky and create a field of beauty
which will attract the Sangha...
Snippets of wisdom from "Engaging in Bodhisattva Behavior" by
Shantideva, a 7th century Buddhist scholar, who was influenced by the
prasangita-madhyamaka viewpoint
Chapter 6. Showing Patience
(1) Whatever generosity,
Offerings to the Blissfully Gone and the like,
And positive deeds I've amassed over thousands of eons -
One moment of hatred will devastate them all.
(2) As no negative force resembles anger,
And no trial resembles patience,
I shall therefore meditate on patience,
With effort and in various ways.
************************************************************************************
(42) Previously, I must have inflicted
Such pain on limited beings,
Therefore, it's fitting that harm comes to me,
Who've been a cause of violence toward limited ones.
(43) Both his weapon and my body
Are the causes of my suffering.
Since he drew out a weapon and I a body,
Toward which should I get enraged?
(44) Blinded by craving, I've grabbed hold of a painful boil
That's shaped like a human and can't bear to be touched,
And so when it's bruised,
Toward what should I get enraged?
*********************************************************************************
(47) Incited by my own karmic behavior,
Those who hurt me come my way,
And if, by their actions, these limited beings should fall
to the joyless realms,
Surely, wasn't it I who have ruined them?
(48) Based on them, my negative karmic force
Is greatly cleansed, because of my patience;
But, based on me, they fall
To the joyless realms, with long-lasting pain.
(49) Since I'm, in fact, causing harm to them,
And they're the ones who are benefiting me,
Why, unreasonable mind, do you make it the reverse
And get into a rage?
(50) If I have the advantage of wishing to be patient,
I won't be going to a joyless realm;
But although I'm safeguarding myself in this way,
What happens to them in this matter?
(51) And if I were to harm them back instead,
They wouldn't be safeguarded either,
While my other bodhisattva behavior would also decline,
And, consequently, those having trials would be lost.
(52) Because of its being immaterial,
No one can destroy my mind, by any means;
But because of its obsessive involvement with my body,
It's hurt by suffering in connection to the body.
(53) Yet) Insults, cruel language,
And defaming words
Don't hurt my body,
So, why, O mind, do you become so enraged?
*********************************************************************************
"Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me"
--- Shantideva Upsaka, 2009
Om! Shanti! Shanti! Shanti!
Shantideva Upasaka
> Seems sane to me - he has to sit if there's no air.
He could always go for a moonwalk.
Om! Shanti! Shanti! Shanti!
S'mee
>
> - Show quoted text -
WTF are you talking about? sheesh...some peoples children.
S'mee
FOAD chickenhawk...your little guys are running faster and you are
getting fatter and slower.
Biker Dude
>
> - Show quoted text -
This project set me to work to investigate tire valves. The
automotive all metal tire valves, the ones with the nuts that tighten
to hold the stems in place are also used for motorcycles.
Next time I can simply go to a NAPA store instead of a motorcycle
parts store to get one. How cool is that.............?
Biker Dude
Biker Dude
>
> Next time I can simply go to a NAPA store instead of a motorcycle
> parts store to get one. How cool is that.............?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Addendum: make sure you have the correct valve stem outside diameter
for your bike:
"Metal tubeless tire valve stem fits all cast wheels with .327"-.339"
holes."
S'mee
>
> Next time I can simply go to a NAPA store instead of a motorcycle
> parts store to get one. How cool is that.............?
Maybe for tubeless tires. Tubed tire motorcycles have always (on the
ones I own had a locking nut. If you meant the core for the
valve...it's a schrader valve, buy them in bulk if it makes you happy.
Greg.Procter
wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:53ï¿œam, Beryl <fo...@road.net> wrote:
>> Biker Dude wrote:
>>
>> ￜ ...
>>
>> > Only obvious problem was that this skin had been on the bike for
>> > 10 or 20 years. ï¿œThe rim was embedded with rubber scum. ï¿œUsed
>> > paint stripper to remove the rubber and polished the entire bead with
>> > a rotary buffer.
>>
>> Because you want the new tire to spin on the rim easily?
>
> I wanted to make sure that some of the small areas of corrosion were
> removed along with the traces of embedded rubber. Don't want any
> chance of a leak from the bead area.
>
> It's a front tire and I don't think there's any chance of it spinning
> on the rim.
>
Your front brake will apply 400-500% more power to your front wheel
than your motor will to the back wheel. (obviously dependant on many
factors)
> It did get me curious about tires, tire ratings, etc., I looked up
> some info such as speed ratings, sizing. In a metric world it seems
> that tire diameters are measured in inches. Weird.
Not really - tyres were originally made when much of Europe was still
using those archaic English measurements. Some things are hard to
transition.
Greg.P.
Greg.Procter
<macm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 12:11ï¿œam, Biker Dude <jacobsenpa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It did get me curious about tires, tire ratings, etc., I looked up
>> some info such as speed ratings, sizing. ï¿œIn a metric world it seems
>> that tire diameters are measured in inches. ï¿œWeird.
>
> We started out with the English system, so we have wheels defined in
> inches and speed ratings defined in miles per hour, and I have no
> problem whatever with that.
>
> It's hard enough to understand the language of engineering using the
> English system, without complicating it with a system where it's easy
> to be in error by a factor of 10, 100, or 1000.
>
> Remember the American Mars probes that failed because of a problem
> with a conflict between the English system and the metric system?
>
>
> The metric system is a French conspiracy to undermine the Americans
> and British with confusing units. It looks logical at first, and then
> you discover absurdities in the basic units.
>
> Like, anybody can understand inflation pressure in pounds per square
> inch,
> they deal with canned items that typically contain about a pound of
> whatever.
>
> You can get a general idea that an ounce is 1/16th of a pound, but
> nobody ever talks about tire inflation pressure in terms of ounces per
> square inch...
>
> But the pascal, as I recall, is the basic pressure unit of the metric
> conspiracy
> and it's approximately equal to the weight of an annoying French fly
> sitting on a postage stamp in a vacuum.
>
> Is that insane, or what?
>
Insane like 16 and 20 fluid ounces per pint, 5260 feet per 1760 yards
20 links per chain, 7 separate measuring systems in common everyday use for
parts of an inch, (not counting barleycorns), US measurements that are
different to English measurements (ounces, gallons, lbs, tons etc)
Nautical miles, yanks meauring weights in millions of pounds ...
We haven't even touched on gauge, screw threads, clothing sizes ...
<Sheesh>
TOG@Toil
> Insane like 16 and 20 fluid ounces per pint, 5260 feet per 1760 yards
*Cough* 5280 feet.
> 20 links per chain, 7 separate measuring systems in common everyday use for
> parts of an inch, (not counting barleycorns), US measurements that are
> different to English measurements (ounces, gallons, lbs, tons etc)
> Nautical miles, yanks meauring weights in millions of pounds ...
Causes us no end of hassle at work (agro-industrial stuff). As you
say, US gallons are just over 4 litres whereas Imperial are 4.54
litres, US tons are slightly smaller than metric tonnes....
I don't think that natical miles are too much of a problem, actually,
as knots are just about globally accepted as a measurement of ship
speed, aren't they?
>
> We haven't even touched on gauge, screw threads, clothing sizes ...
> <Sheesh>
Clothing sizes: oh yes, especially shoe sizes. I'm a size 10 UK, which
is 45-46 metric, and something different in US.
Screw threads: years ago I visited a European factory for Carrier or
Thermo King (can't remember which it was now: I think TK) and was
gobsmacked to discover that all the machines were built with AF
fasteners. Not a metric bolt to be seen. But they explained that as
that was how it had always been, so it was still, and that spare parts
for the older kit were still being supplied, and so if they switched
to metric nuts and bolts, they couldn't supply after-sales service to
old units. Which made sense.
Hans-Christian Becker
TOG@Toil <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>say, US gallons are just over 4 litres whereas Imperial are 4.54
>litres, US tons are slightly smaller than metric tonnes....
Just _under_ 4 liters ...
BTW, I checked my calculator, and it actually lists both a "UK gallon"
and a "Canadian gallon", the difference being in the seventh digit. Oh joy.
>I don't think that natical miles are too much of a problem, actually,
>as knots are just about globally accepted as a measurement of ship
>speed, aren't they?
AFAIK, yes. Depth is another matter, being given in either fathoms or meters.
>Screw threads: years ago I visited a European factory for Carrier or
>Thermo King (can't remember which it was now: I think TK) and was
>gobsmacked to discover that all the machines were built with AF
>fasteners. Not a metric bolt to be seen. But they explained that as
I seem to recall that all petrochemical plants (and possibly chemical
plants too) in Sweden use non-SI fasteners as well.
--
Dr. Hans-Christian Becker
'96 VN750 SM5TLH KG6POK
Uppsala, Sweden
TOG@Toil
> In article <4b783d95-371a-4c74-96c6-9a126db54...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TOG@Toil <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >say, US gallons are just over 4 litres whereas Imperial are 4.54
> >litres, US tons are slightly smaller than metric tonnes....
>
> Just _under_ 4 liters ...
Oops, yes, of course.
<snip>
>
> I seem to recall that all petrochemical plants (and possibly chemical
> plants too) in Sweden use non-SI fasteners as well.
>
Any idea why?
Greg.Procter
<totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 8 Nov, 05:18, "Greg.Procter" <proc...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> Insane like 16 and 20 fluid ounces per pint, 5260 feet per 1760 yards
>
> *Cough* 5280 feet.
Didn't think anyone would have read my rant that far ;-)
>
>> 20 links per chain, 7 separate measuring systems in common everyday use
>> for
>> parts of an inch, (not counting barleycorns), US measurements that are
>> different to English measurements (ounces, gallons, lbs, tons etc)
>> Nautical miles, yanks meauring weights in millions of pounds ...
>
> Causes us no end of hassle at work (agro-industrial stuff). As you
> say, US gallons are just over 4 litres whereas Imperial are 4.54
> litres, US tons are slightly smaller than metric tonnes....
>
> I don't think that natical miles are too much of a problem, actually,
> as knots are just about globally accepted as a measurement of ship
> speed, aren't they?
Knots is internationally insisted upon in aviation - they long ago
figured everyone should speak the same language and that distances/speeds
need consistancy.
Ships are another matter, many marineers use kilometers because they
understand them, and then use NMs in external communication.
>>
>> We haven't even touched on gauge, screw threads, clothing sizes ... ￜ
>> <Sheesh>
>
> Clothing sizes: oh yes, especially shoe sizes. I'm a size 10 UK, which
> is 45-46 metric, and something different in US.
>
> Screw threads: years ago I visited a European factory for Carrier or
> Thermo King (can't remember which it was now: I think TK) and was
> gobsmacked to discover that all the machines were built with AF
> fasteners. Not a metric bolt to be seen. But they explained that as
> that was how it had always been, so it was still, and that spare parts
> for the older kit were still being supplied, and so if they switched
> to metric nuts and bolts, they couldn't supply after-sales service to
> old units. Which made sense.
It does - I have three mills/lathes with US bolts but metric lead screws,
two with metric bolts. I have to be very careful to keep parts and
accessories separate, which is an absolute pain!
I grew up speaking British imperial and then we went metric about 8 years
later. Of course there were quite a number of "standard" British standards
for bolts and the like, plus the US imperials. Was glad to be able to
the much more logical metric. Now all this yank imperial has come back to
haunt us!
Greg.P.
The Older Gentleman
> Knots is internationally insisted upon in aviation - they long ago
> figured everyone should speak the same language and that distances/speeds
> need consistancy.
> Ships are another matter, many marineers use kilometers because they
> understand them, and then use NMs in external communication.
I didn't know that. Thanks.
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