MotoGP Rider weights
Julian Bond
Dani Pedrosa 51Kg (125,250,MGP)
Toni Elias 57Kg (125,250,MGP)
Shinya Nakano 58Kg (250,500,MGP)
Casey Stoner 58Kg (125,250,MGP)
Loris Capirossi 59Kg (125,250,500,MGP)
Olivier Jacques 59Kg (250,500,MGP)
Makoto Tamada 61Kg (AJRR SBK,MGP)
Sylvain Guintoli 62Kg (250,MGP)
Fonsi Nieto 62Kg (125,250,MGP)
Randy De Puniet 63Kg (125,250,MGP)
Marco Melandri 64kg (125,250,MGP)
Valentino Rossi 67g (125,250,500,MGP)
Chris Vermeulen 68Kg (WSS,WSB,MGP)
Nicky Hayden 69Kg (AMA SBK,MGP)
Carlos Checa 69Kg (125,250,500,MGP)
Colin Edwards 69Kg (WSB,MGP)
Kenny Roberts Jr 70kg (250,500,MGP)
Alex Barros 70Kg (125,250,500,MGP)
John Hopkins 72Kg (AMA SS,500,MGP)
Alex Hoffman 74Kg (250,MGP)
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Dirt
> Dani Pedrosa 51Kg (125,250,MGP)
> John Hopkins 72Kg (AMA SS,500,MGP)
I suppose one way to look at it is why is JH doing so well when he's
damn near the heaviest rider on the grid? Maybe weight doesn't have
as much to do with it as some (I include myself in this group) think?
-Dirt-
Mark N
Well, that is one way to look at it. Another is that Suzuki has always
been building bikes for riders of larger size, having had Roberts,
Gibernau, Vermeulen as the other guys on the MotoGP bike.
And there is some question about the accuracy of those "official MotoGP"
figures on size for Hopkins. He's listed as 154 lbs there, but the
Laguna program last year had him at 140, and I talked to him briefly at
Fontana and he looked like he certainly could be lighter than that
official figure, never thought of him as a particularly large rider from
his AMA days, certainly not in the same category as guys like Mladin and
Spies.
And what is "doing so well"? He's never won a race, he just had his
first podium, and he's always had to ride the piss out of that thing in
the corners because of lack of acceleration on the straights. Where in
that is evidence that weight doesn't matter?
Julian Bond
>Rider, Weight, Career
Shame they don't have rider heights on the MotoGP site. It seems at
least possible to me that it's height, shoulder width and upper body
strength that has as much effect as weight.
You could probably make a case that on a bike with too much power
(anything over 160) greater weight would give you greater control
because it would give you greater ability to move the CoG. We might see
this as smaller riders having to lean further off the bike (See Elias).
Andrew
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How do these weights compare with the SBK riders?
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pablo
and all. :-) He should give nutritional advice to anorexic actresses...
All in all, this just comes to show motorcycle racing has always been
dominated by smaller framed guys, period. If it was all about weight,
Pedrosa would be running away with the championship, and he isn't. It also
seems to me that neither Stoner's, Pedrosa's or Elias' weight has been
updated since the 250 days, and supposedly all of them have done a lot of
weights. Not that it'll turn them into 200 pounders, but still.
It would be good to have official weigh-ins, possibly, just to gather more
accurate data.
...pablo
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Russell Watson
<pab...@simplyhombreDOT.net> wrote:
>No wonder Rossi won so many championships, with a weight of only 67 gramms
>and all. :-) He should give nutritional advice to anorexic actresses...
>
>All in all, this just comes to show motorcycle racing has always been
>dominated by smaller framed guys, period. If it was all about weight,
>Pedrosa would be running away with the championship, and he isn't. It also
>seems to me that neither Stoner's, Pedrosa's or Elias' weight has been
>updated since the 250 days, and supposedly all of them have done a lot of
>weights. Not that it'll turn them into 200 pounders, but still.
>
>It would be good to have official weigh-ins, possibly, just to gather more
>accurate data.
>
>...pablo
>
I don't know what these weights mean in real measures. You know:
pounds and ounces! I've never had to and therefore never learned the
conversion tables from metric (could be worse: he could have gone on
about someone weighing XX stone and I'd have been really fucked up!).
But I imagine there's a point at which a rider could become so wee and
light that it would actually start to be a detriment rather than an
asset. If it was all a finesse thing it would be one thing, but it
takes some muscle to horse those things around and a flyweight isn't
typically going to be as strong as a mere lightweight (maybe
pound-for-pound, but we're talking absolutes here). I would think
there's a balance there that has to be struck to be at maximum
effectiveness.
Carl Sundquist
"Russell Watson" <russell...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> I don't know what these weights mean in real measures. You know:
> pounds and ounces! I've never had to and therefore never learned the
> conversion tables from metric (could be worse: he could have gone on
> about someone weighing XX stone and I'd have been really fucked up!).
> But I imagine there's a point at which a rider could become so wee and
> light that it would actually start to be a detriment rather than an
> asset. If it was all a finesse thing it would be one thing, but it
> takes some muscle to horse those things around and a flyweight isn't
> typically going to be as strong as a mere lightweight (maybe
> pound-for-pound, but we're talking absolutes here). I would think
> there's a balance there that has to be struck to be at maximum
> effectiveness.
That was the thinking around here until March, 2006.
Mark N
> No wonder Rossi won so many championships, with a weight of only 67 gramms
> and all. :-) He should give nutritional advice to anorexic actresses...
Speaking of Rossi, it's interesting that in his five championship
seasons, the final days of 500 and the earlier days of the relatively
crude 990s, he won 51 of 81 races, 63% of the time. But since, the final
days of the 990s with their advanced electronic rider aids and
super-sticky and predictable tires, and the start of the 800 era, he's
won 6 of 22 races, only 27% of the time. During those first five years
the races he lost were to guys like Gibernau, Biaggi, Barros, Hayden,
guys weighing in at 65 kilos or more, who took 22 of the remaining 30
races. He did lose to Ukawa once (don't know his size), Tamada twice and
Capirossi once - and then at the very end of that period he lost 4 of
the last 6 races to Loris and Melandri, guys who I'd put in the "little
guy" camp - either under 60 kilos (132 pounds), under 5-6, or both.
Since then the 16 races Rossi's lost have gone to little guys Melandri,
Capirossi, Pedrosa, Elias, Stoner 12 times, with Hayden, Bayliss and
Vermeulen taking the other four. Anyone see a trend there? Anyone?
Anyone? Buehler?
> All in all, this just comes to show motorcycle racing has always been
> dominated by smaller framed guys, period.
Really? I thought Mladin, 6-0 and 160 pounds, and Spies, 5-11 and 160
pounds, have been utterly dominating the AMA championship for some time.
I also thought WSB champions like Edwards, Bayliss, Toseland, Corser,
Hodgson were of rather similar size. Maybe SBs aren't really
motorcycles. But try as I might, I just can't think of a guy south of
60kg who has ever won the 500/MotoGP championship. Maybe this year...
If it was all about weight,
ALL about weight? Did someone claim that?
> Pedrosa would be running away with the championship, and he isn't.
Maybe you didn't notice the misstep Honda took with this year's bike
(kind of like last year with the Brno bike), or that Bridgestone has so
far managed to eclipse Michelin on the tire front? Pedrosa has been the
top Honda in all four races he's finished, and the top Michelin in the
last race and 2nd in the other three. Not his fault that he got taken
out in Turkey.
It also
> seems to me that neither Stoner's, Pedrosa's or Elias' weight has been
> updated since the 250 days, and supposedly all of them have done a lot of
> weights. Not that it'll turn them into 200 pounders, but still.
Jeez, now that sounds like your memory has really come back strong -
wasn't it just a few days ago that you claimed Hayden weighs only 140
pounds? Maybe my math is bad, but doesn't 69kg translate to 152 pounds?
Or has the MotoGP site been using his same weight since he was racing
600s as a teenager? Or are they overstating his weight just like they're
understating that of the little guys? Maybe, because I seem to recall
that your sterling memory once produced the interesting fact that when
in 500 Roberts, Sr. and Katoh were just as small as Pedrosa is (or was
when you claimed that). As for me, my faulty memory seems to produce
recollection that Pedrosa was said to be considerably lighter than 112
pounds in his 125/250 days...
> It would be good to have official weigh-ins, possibly, just to gather more
> accurate data.
Certainly would be better than relying on a scum-sucking liar like
yourself. ;) My guess is that it's more likely that they'll eventually
pull the data they have out there now - don't want all this getting
around, you know, might start a controversy...
Julian Bond
>Which Moto GP team will Lorenzo be on in 08'?
Rumours last weekend said Yamaha.
- Rossi to one bike team
- Lorenzo and Edwards on Michelins
- 2 on Dunlops.
Dirt
> And what is "doing so well"? He's never won a race, he just had his
> first podium, and he's always had to ride the piss out of that thing in
> the corners because of lack of acceleration on the straights. Where in
> that is evidence that weight doesn't matter?
"Doing so well" in the context that he certainly could be said to be
having a great season this year. Also, when compared to Pedrosa and
Hayden, the current "light" and "heavy" riders discussed most often,
both of whom he seems to be ahead of an awful lot.
-Dirt-
Champ
<russell...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I don't know what these weights mean in real measures. You know:
>pounds and ounces! I've never had to and therefore never learned the
>conversion tables from metric (could be worse: he could have gone on
>about someone weighing XX stone and I'd have been really fucked up!).
heh. Welcome to the rest of the world :-)
But it's easy - just type, for example, "67kg in pounds" into google,
and it'll work it out for you.
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> Andrew
> 00 Daytona
> 00 Speed Triple
> 71 Kawi H1
> 05 Infant
Not sure about superbike riders, but was talking with Hugh Anderson,
who was 50 and 125 Champ in the early sixties, he said he had the same
disadvantage back then, only on the tiddlers - he weighed in at 70kg
and most of his opposition was not much over 50. That was a huge power
to weight disadvantage compared with the Rossi/Pedrosa difference, but
he was able to overcome it with better set-up and closer to the edge
riding. He reckons if the tyres weren't sliding you weren't at the
limit - some things never change!
cheers
Steve
Mark N
> How do these weights compare with the SBK riders?
What I know and can find quickly about various SB guys:
Bayliss - the Ducati website lists him at 68kg/150lbs, and 5-8.
Biaggi - 66kg (145lbs) now, I think used to be listed at 65kg on the
MotoGP website.
Toseland - I've seen 70 to 75kg (154-165lbs)
Corser - haven't seen anything, but he's not a small guy, I'd guess at
least 155lbs.
Hodgson - 5-11, 155 was his listing last year.
Edwards - MotoGP has him at 152lbs, but my Laguna program from last year
has him at 5-10, 146.
Haga - a shorter guy, he's always been heavier than the similar-height
Japanese riders. My guess is at least 145-150.
Xaus - I think he's been listed at 6-2 and probably weighs in at 165,
170 or more.
Mladin - 6-0, 160, has been heavier at times, I think as much as 175-180.
Spies - 5-11, 160-165.
Duhamel - 5-6, 145.
Yates - 6-0, 170-190.
Eric Bostrom - 5-10, 155.
pablo
"bartshumandad" <bartsh...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> ... he weighed in at 70kg
> and most of his opposition was not much over 50. ...
well, as a teen in Spain I rode the Bultaco Streaker (no, we didn't ride
them naked, it was the name of the bike) cup, which brought around guys like
Pons and Cardus. Being 6'2 and at the time around 180lbs and riding 125cc
2strokes, I was disadvantaged. But the smaller guys around me also were
better than me, period. They just seemed to have an easier time riding a
bike at the edge, I was losing the freaking front end when even trying to
keep up corner speed with them. I quickly realized that, as much as I loved
motorcycles, I was not made for racing them. Oh well I focussed on another
sport and got to go to the Olympic Games, so I don't complain.
Motorcycle racing is *NOT* for big guys, has never been, and arguably in
most venues and classes will never be.
Dirt
> Oh well I focussed on another sport and got to go to the Olympic Games...
Really? For what?
-Dirt-
Mark N
> Really? For what?
My guess is that he wanted to watch the women's gymnastics...
sturd
> My guess is that he wanted to watch the women's gymnastics...
Well, *I* like watching the women's gymnastics. Those 14
year olds are yum.....uhhh. Waitaminute.
Nevermind.
Go fast. Take chances.
Mike S.
Champ
Who doesn't ?
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>>> Really? For what?
> Who doesn't ?
Damn you, Neal. You just reminded me of womens' tennis. I may need
to buy a TV licence after all...
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"Dirt" <christoph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On May 24, 11:36 pm, "pablo" <pabl...@simplyhombreDOT.net> wrote:
My father brought up a track and field fanatic. I went as a reserve because
one of the qualifiers was halfway injured, I never got to compete, but was
an entry. I didn't have a chance at medals in either of the disciplines they
kept me around for, but I had fun. I did decathlon, and was a decent 400m
runner. I still do track and field senior events! :-)
pablo
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> Mark N sneers:
>
>> My guess is that he wanted to watch the women's gymnastics...
Mark, one day, if we meet face to face, you will wet your panties, you
little internet bitch.
Carl Sundquist
"pablo" <pab...@simplyhombreDOT.net> wrote in message
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Which Olympic Games?
T3
"pablo" <pab...@simplyhombreDOT.net> wrote in message
> Mark, one day, if we meet face to face, you will wet your panties, you
> little internet bitch.
What? I thought you guys went to Sears last weekend. Damn, talk about short
honeymoons...
pablo
"Carl Sundquist" <car...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> Which Olympic Games?
'84 in LA. I was way young. I had a series of injuries in '87 that made me
abandon competition. Anyone doing some research of Goetzis results from '83
to '86 will probably guess my real name. Doesn't matter - I had immense fun,
but it's all a very long time ago, and I did the best I could do - and it
wasn't enough to crack the world's top.
Mark N
> "pablo" joked light-heartedly:
>> little internet bitch.
> What? I thought you guys went to Sears last weekend. Damn, talk about short
> honeymoons...
Nah, that was Howie, remember?