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Andy the
Apr 25, 2013, 10:28:33 AM4/25/13
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I'll buy a beer for the person who guesses right.
Here's the deal. 2005 Electra Glide 72K miles on the clock. Had the
engine re-manufactured by the MOCO, the dealer rebuilt the transmission,
clutch, etc. Got about 700 miles on the rebuild. Has a carburetor, not
EFI. Starter and related electronics all original, never been touched. A
2 year old HD battery. They did a load test on the battery (twice,
actually) and it shows OK. Not perfect, but both times it was just into
the acceptable range. They checked the charging system last week and it
performs within acceptable parameters.
When I got it back it started great, but after about 100 break-in miles
it began hesitating when starting. It would barely turn over for the
first revolution or two. After those one or two slow "grunts" it would
suddenly spin fast, start right up and run fine. It's been getting worse
as time passes. Now it is exhibiting the symptoms all the time and the
symptoms are more pronounced. Below is a link to a video of it when the
symptoms were rather moderate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQA0Sdp97gE
Cleaned the battery and starter connections. No change. Still hesitates.
I hooked a DVOM to the battery to see what it showed during the starting
process.
- Battery showed 12.65v with ignition off. Border line acceptable
voltage. Should be 12.8v or more, but I had been starting it/shutting it
off a whole bunch the night before and didn't put a charger/tender on it
afterward. Might have been low cuz of that.
- Turned on the ignition and got 12.03v with all the lights on, etc.
- Hit the starter button and the voltage dropped to 6v for the duration
of the hesitation (about 2 revolutions - 1 to 2 seconds) and then the
engine began spinning fast and the voltage went to 10v at the same time.
Then it started. Shut it off.
- Did that about 8 times in a row with the same results.
I don't know if the drop to 6v is a symptom or a cause. Could be
something is mechanically dragging down the starter and putting a severe
drain on the battery. Or...it could be that the battery is bad and can't
poop out the current for the first few seconds. OTOH, once it starts
spinning fast it keeps on spinning. I could just about ride around the
house on the starter alone. <shrug> Could be corroded battery cables.
Not the connections, but the cables themselves. I dunno. It's a mystery.
It's at the dealer as we speak...er, as we type...and they are trying to
track it down. I'm not necessarily asking for advice cuz I'm tired of
fooling with it myself. Let the dealer figure it out. I just thought it
might be a good conversation topic and we might learn something from it.
I'll be sure to let ya know what they find out.
Andy aka Big Stinkie
Here's the deal. 2005 Electra Glide 72K miles on the clock. Had the
engine re-manufactured by the MOCO, the dealer rebuilt the transmission,
clutch, etc. Got about 700 miles on the rebuild. Has a carburetor, not
EFI. Starter and related electronics all original, never been touched. A
2 year old HD battery. They did a load test on the battery (twice,
actually) and it shows OK. Not perfect, but both times it was just into
the acceptable range. They checked the charging system last week and it
performs within acceptable parameters.
When I got it back it started great, but after about 100 break-in miles
it began hesitating when starting. It would barely turn over for the
first revolution or two. After those one or two slow "grunts" it would
suddenly spin fast, start right up and run fine. It's been getting worse
as time passes. Now it is exhibiting the symptoms all the time and the
symptoms are more pronounced. Below is a link to a video of it when the
symptoms were rather moderate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQA0Sdp97gE
Cleaned the battery and starter connections. No change. Still hesitates.
I hooked a DVOM to the battery to see what it showed during the starting
process.
- Battery showed 12.65v with ignition off. Border line acceptable
voltage. Should be 12.8v or more, but I had been starting it/shutting it
off a whole bunch the night before and didn't put a charger/tender on it
afterward. Might have been low cuz of that.
- Turned on the ignition and got 12.03v with all the lights on, etc.
- Hit the starter button and the voltage dropped to 6v for the duration
of the hesitation (about 2 revolutions - 1 to 2 seconds) and then the
engine began spinning fast and the voltage went to 10v at the same time.
Then it started. Shut it off.
- Did that about 8 times in a row with the same results.
I don't know if the drop to 6v is a symptom or a cause. Could be
something is mechanically dragging down the starter and putting a severe
drain on the battery. Or...it could be that the battery is bad and can't
poop out the current for the first few seconds. OTOH, once it starts
spinning fast it keeps on spinning. I could just about ride around the
house on the starter alone. <shrug> Could be corroded battery cables.
Not the connections, but the cables themselves. I dunno. It's a mystery.
It's at the dealer as we speak...er, as we type...and they are trying to
track it down. I'm not necessarily asking for advice cuz I'm tired of
fooling with it myself. Let the dealer figure it out. I just thought it
might be a good conversation topic and we might learn something from it.
I'll be sure to let ya know what they find out.
Andy aka Big Stinkie
sn...@trippin.com
Apr 25, 2013, 11:00:40 AM4/25/13
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:28:33 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Bob Veatch had that problem and replaced th' starter relay. Problem
went bye, bye.
By th' way, he's th' Slug who's hostin' our old Partay, you aughta
think about comin' this year. It's in North Central OR, spittin'
distance from th' mighty Columbia River... where messers Lewis n'
Clark and that hot Indian babe went for a hike. That trail goes from
St. Louis to th' Pacific Ocean via Bob's place. I don't think they
stopped in for a coldbeer on their way through tho.
It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
3rd weekend of August.
Snarl
wrote:
went bye, bye.
By th' way, he's th' Slug who's hostin' our old Partay, you aughta
think about comin' this year. It's in North Central OR, spittin'
distance from th' mighty Columbia River... where messers Lewis n'
Clark and that hot Indian babe went for a hike. That trail goes from
St. Louis to th' Pacific Ocean via Bob's place. I don't think they
stopped in for a coldbeer on their way through tho.
It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
3rd weekend of August.
Snarl
Andy the
Apr 25, 2013, 11:16:15 AM4/25/13
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On 4/25/2013 10:00 AM, sn...@trippin.com wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:28:33 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
(snipster)
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:28:33 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>
> Bob Veatch had that problem and replaced th' starter relay. Problem
> went bye, bye.
of trying to chase down an electrical problem. Plus I'm getting lazy in
my old age. <grin>
>
> By th' way, he's th' Slug who's hostin' our old Partay, you aughta
> think about comin' this year. It's in North Central OR, spittin'
> distance from th' mighty Columbia River... where messers Lewis n'
> Clark and that hot Indian babe went for a hike. That trail goes from
> St. Louis to th' Pacific Ocean via Bob's place. I don't think they
> stopped in for a coldbeer on their way through tho.
>
> It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
> 3rd weekend of August.
it up your way." Unfortunately that time frame is bad for me this year.
Taking my boys to college then. Gotta help them move in, say good-bye,
cheer up the wife cuz she's gonna cry for 2 weeks after they leave home.
I'll miss them, but it's gonna be nice to have a house that doesn't
sound like there is a herd of cattle wandering around upstairs all the time.
Andy aka Big Stinkie
Phil Boutros
Apr 25, 2013, 12:16:54 PM4/25/13
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Andy the <and...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Here's the deal. 2005 Electra Glide 72K miles on the clock. Had the
> engine re-manufactured by the MOCO, the dealer rebuilt the transmission,
> clutch, etc. Got about 700 miles on the rebuild. Has a carburetor, not
> EFI. Starter and related electronics all original, never been touched. A
> 2 year old HD battery. They did a load test on the battery (twice,
> actually) and it shows OK. Not perfect, but both times it was just into
> the acceptable range. They checked the charging system last week and it
> performs within acceptable parameters.
Hmmm...what is "just into the acceptable range"? Sounds to me
>
> Here's the deal. 2005 Electra Glide 72K miles on the clock. Had the
> engine re-manufactured by the MOCO, the dealer rebuilt the transmission,
> clutch, etc. Got about 700 miles on the rebuild. Has a carburetor, not
> EFI. Starter and related electronics all original, never been touched. A
> 2 year old HD battery. They did a load test on the battery (twice,
> actually) and it shows OK. Not perfect, but both times it was just into
> the acceptable range. They checked the charging system last week and it
> performs within acceptable parameters.
like the potential culprit...
> When I got it back it started great, but after about 100 break-in miles
> it began hesitating when starting. It would barely turn over for the
> first revolution or two. After those one or two slow "grunts" it would
> suddenly spin fast, start right up and run fine. It's been getting worse
> as time passes. Now it is exhibiting the symptoms all the time and the
> symptoms are more pronounced. Below is a link to a video of it when the
> symptoms were rather moderate.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQA0Sdp97gE
there. Your numbers point to a huge voltage drop. Either the battery
can't take the load, or something else is drawing (relay, solenoid,
starter motor itself).
Got the verdict yet?
Phil
--
AH#61 Wolf#14 BS#89 bus#1 CCB#1 SENS KOTC#4 ph...@philb.ca
http://philb.ca EKIII rides with me: http://eddiekieger.com
sn...@trippin.com
Apr 25, 2013, 1:23:00 PM4/25/13
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:16:15 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
Coors I'm gonna win <g>.
>> By th' way, he's th' Slug who's hostin' our old Partay, you aughta
>> think about comin' this year. It's in North Central OR, spittin'
>> distance from th' mighty Columbia River... where messers Lewis n'
>> Clark and that hot Indian babe went for a hike. That trail goes from
>> St. Louis to th' Pacific Ocean via Bob's place. I don't think they
>> stopped in for a coldbeer on their way through tho.
>
>Heh! Betcha they would have enjoyed one! That's a long way to ride a horse.
Makes ya wonder about some people. I mean who wakes up and thinks
that ridin' a horse smack dab though uncharted land, through hostile
indian tribes and who knows what else could happen, is a good idea?
And they bring a freaking air rifle for protection and providin'
supper and a little gal for directions?!? My wife woulda died 30
years later tryin' to find her way outta St. Louis.
>> It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
>> 3rd weekend of August.
>
>I've said this a number of times, but "one of these days I'm gonna make
>it up your way." Unfortunately that time frame is bad for me this year.
And like I always tell ya, maybe next year. Bob loves hosting it and
has a nice place there that works real well for netscum type of
reprobating activities. Methinks it'll keep on keepin' on for awhile
longer.
>Taking my boys to college then. Gotta help them move in, say good-bye,
>cheer up the wife cuz she's gonna cry for 2 weeks after they leave home.
Get Skype set up for her before they go and make sure everyone knows
how to use it and she'll have instant access for those miss m' babies
blues. One of ours works in So. Korea and Jeanne n' her use th' shit
out of it.
As far as th' college routine goes, I hope it's not some libtarded
fartsy place. Employers out here like Microsoft and Boeing are hiring
people from other countries because the liberal arts degreed citidiots
that come out of our colleges aren't qualified to clean th' toilets.
And even if they were, they won't do it.
>I'll miss them, but it's gonna be nice to have a house that doesn't
>sound like there is a herd of cattle wandering around upstairs all the time.
Tape record it for those miss my babies blues moments. Personally, I
adapted to utter peace and quiet before the last kids ass went alla up
the driveway. With seven of 'em, th' last one gets absolutely no
empty nest syndrome pity. It's more like "bye" <slam door> <get
nekkid>.
Snarl
wrote:
>On 4/25/2013 10:00 AM, sn...@trippin.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:28:33 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>
>(snipster)
>
>>>
>>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>>
>> Bob Veatch had that problem and replaced th' starter relay. Problem
>> went bye, bye.
>
>Could be the problem, but I'm going to let the dealer find it. I'm tired
>of trying to chase down an electrical problem. Plus I'm getting lazy in
>my old age. <grin>
Was just throwin' my guess in th' pot so's I can claim th' ice cold
>On 4/25/2013 10:00 AM, sn...@trippin.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:28:33 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>
>(snipster)
>
>>>
>>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>>
>> Bob Veatch had that problem and replaced th' starter relay. Problem
>> went bye, bye.
>
>Could be the problem, but I'm going to let the dealer find it. I'm tired
>of trying to chase down an electrical problem. Plus I'm getting lazy in
>my old age. <grin>
Coors I'm gonna win <g>.
>> By th' way, he's th' Slug who's hostin' our old Partay, you aughta
>> think about comin' this year. It's in North Central OR, spittin'
>> distance from th' mighty Columbia River... where messers Lewis n'
>> Clark and that hot Indian babe went for a hike. That trail goes from
>> St. Louis to th' Pacific Ocean via Bob's place. I don't think they
>> stopped in for a coldbeer on their way through tho.
>
>Heh! Betcha they would have enjoyed one! That's a long way to ride a horse.
that ridin' a horse smack dab though uncharted land, through hostile
indian tribes and who knows what else could happen, is a good idea?
And they bring a freaking air rifle for protection and providin'
supper and a little gal for directions?!? My wife woulda died 30
years later tryin' to find her way outta St. Louis.
>> It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
>> 3rd weekend of August.
>
>I've said this a number of times, but "one of these days I'm gonna make
>it up your way." Unfortunately that time frame is bad for me this year.
has a nice place there that works real well for netscum type of
reprobating activities. Methinks it'll keep on keepin' on for awhile
longer.
>Taking my boys to college then. Gotta help them move in, say good-bye,
>cheer up the wife cuz she's gonna cry for 2 weeks after they leave home.
how to use it and she'll have instant access for those miss m' babies
blues. One of ours works in So. Korea and Jeanne n' her use th' shit
out of it.
As far as th' college routine goes, I hope it's not some libtarded
fartsy place. Employers out here like Microsoft and Boeing are hiring
people from other countries because the liberal arts degreed citidiots
that come out of our colleges aren't qualified to clean th' toilets.
And even if they were, they won't do it.
>I'll miss them, but it's gonna be nice to have a house that doesn't
>sound like there is a herd of cattle wandering around upstairs all the time.
adapted to utter peace and quiet before the last kids ass went alla up
the driveway. With seven of 'em, th' last one gets absolutely no
empty nest syndrome pity. It's more like "bye" <slam door> <get
nekkid>.
Snarl
Jinks
Apr 25, 2013, 6:00:10 PM4/25/13
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>I'll buy a beer for the person who guesses right.
<snip>
>Andy aka Big Stinkie
I'll side with Phil for the first thought. A *good* fully
charged battery is the easy place to start. After that pop for a
solenoid. I had a similar problem with a 25 year old, high
compression FXR stroker. When replacin' the battery & rebuildin' the
solenoid didn't solve the problem I hauled out the big guns. New
solenoid, a few new relays, & new battery cables. Been firin' up like
a horny teen ever since........<shrug>
BTW, crankin' it with a poorly charged battery will fry the
solenoid............
Jinks ('86 FXRS, '07 FLTR)
#64
Remember, "No good deed goes unpunished"
TL Mitchell
Apr 27, 2013, 12:39:15 AM4/27/13
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<sn...@trippin.com> wrote
> It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
> 3rd weekend of August.
Eddie's birthday conflicted with some family stuff Ann wanted to do so the
EKIII Run got moved..... to August 16.,17, 18. D'OH! I was thinking about
coming out to race trains. Go though some of those old tunnels too. Drat.
112
> It'll be th' same weekend as it's always been for th' past 23 years,
> 3rd weekend of August.
EKIII Run got moved..... to August 16.,17, 18. D'OH! I was thinking about
coming out to race trains. Go though some of those old tunnels too. Drat.
112
Harold Gailey
Apr 27, 2013, 1:11:27 AM4/27/13
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"Andy the" <and...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Gr-dnVDOK5cMoOTM...@earthlink.com...
> I'll buy a beer for the person who guesses right.
>
>
> It's at the dealer as we speak...er, as we type...and they are trying to
> track it down. I'm not necessarily asking for advice cuz I'm tired of
> fooling with it myself. Let the dealer figure it out. I just thought it
> might be a good conversation topic and we might learn something from it.
> I'll be sure to let ya know what they find out.
>
> Andy aka Big Stinkie
I'm betting there's more compression than that old starter is used to and
> track it down. I'm not necessarily asking for advice cuz I'm tired of
> fooling with it myself. Let the dealer figure it out. I just thought it
> might be a good conversation topic and we might learn something from it.
> I'll be sure to let ya know what they find out.
>
> Andy aka Big Stinkie
it's not up to the task. Reminds me of when my shovel got stroked. The teck
tried to kick it over and lost the heel from his shoe. I couldn't kick it
fast enough to fire up so back it went for a thumb starter. Now I have to
fuss with solenoids and relays and I'm on my second starter already.
--
74 CB 450 - Stolen; 74 Z1 900 - Traded; 76 FX 1200 - Stolen; 78 FX(E)
86 CI - Daily rider nice weather; 02 FXDX 88 CI - Daily rider other weather
Andy the
Apr 27, 2013, 8:53:51 AM4/27/13
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On 4/27/2013 12:11 AM, Harold Gailey wrote:
> "Andy the" <and...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Gr-dnVDOK5cMoOTM...@earthlink.com...
>> I'll buy a beer for the person who guesses right.
>>
>> It's at the dealer as we speak...er, as we type...and they are trying to
>> track it down. I'm not necessarily asking for advice cuz I'm tired of
>> fooling with it myself. Let the dealer figure it out. I just thought it
>> might be a good conversation topic and we might learn something from it.
>> I'll be sure to let ya know what they find out.
>>
>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>
> I'm betting there's more compression than that old starter is used to and
> it's not up to the task. Reminds me of when my shovel got stroked. The teck
> tried to kick it over and lost the heel from his shoe. I couldn't kick it
> fast enough to fire up so back it went for a thumb starter. Now I have to
> fuss with solenoids and relays and I'm on my second starter already.
>
>
Thanks for all the input from ya'll, but it looks like I'm gonna hafta
> "Andy the" <and...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Gr-dnVDOK5cMoOTM...@earthlink.com...
>> I'll buy a beer for the person who guesses right.
>>
>> It's at the dealer as we speak...er, as we type...and they are trying to
>> track it down. I'm not necessarily asking for advice cuz I'm tired of
>> fooling with it myself. Let the dealer figure it out. I just thought it
>> might be a good conversation topic and we might learn something from it.
>> I'll be sure to let ya know what they find out.
>>
>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>
> I'm betting there's more compression than that old starter is used to and
> it's not up to the task. Reminds me of when my shovel got stroked. The teck
> tried to kick it over and lost the heel from his shoe. I couldn't kick it
> fast enough to fire up so back it went for a thumb starter. Now I have to
> fuss with solenoids and relays and I'm on my second starter already.
>
>
buy a beer for everyone.
The problem was intermittent. Did it a lot, but not 100% of the time.
When I took the bike into the dealer it was acting up and not wanting to
turn over. They all witnessed it grunt and groan, plus they have the
short video - so they know I wasn't imagining things. They kept it for 3
days and started it over 100 times - and it never acted up for them. Not
once. They did it when it was cold. They did it after riding it around
town for a half hour. The starter spun the engine like it was 'spose to
every time. The mechanic (the one who rebuilt the bike for me) even
stuck it on the dyno again and ran it through its paces and monitored
its functions, then tried it. Started fine. He couldn't find anything
wrong. No voltage drop, the battery tested fine...nuttin'. And we all
know you can't fix something that isn't broke. Other mechanics came to
help him with ideas and theories. No dice.
So I had them replace the battery and the starter. <insert photo of my
wallet being jump started by the AED> Maybe not the smartest thing - nor
the most financially wise thing - but I just want the damn bike back so
I can ride and not feel like I'm spinning a big Wheel of Fortune wheel
with "start" and "won't start" on it every time I stop for fuel.
They are giving me a decent break on labor and parts since I had so much
work done on it previously and have had nothing but starter trouble with
it since I got it back. I go in to pick it up this afternoon. (Saturday)
We'll see what happens. If it does it again I think I'll find a BART
station and let it sit there overnight.
I kinda wish I would have had just the starter or just the battery
swapped out first. That way I'd know which one really was the problem.
Assuming it works now I'll never know which one it was. <shrug>
Shit...as long as it is reliable I guess I don't care. Still, I'll
wonder what it was long as I have the thing.
Thanks again,
Andy aka Big Stinkie
Phil Boutros
Apr 27, 2013, 12:16:50 PM4/27/13
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Andy the <and...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I kinda wish I would have had just the starter or just the battery
> swapped out first. That way I'd know which one really was the problem.
> Assuming it works now I'll never know which one it was. <shrug>
> Shit...as long as it is reliable I guess I don't care. Still, I'll
> wonder what it was long as I have the thing.
You knew from previous tests that the battery was getting to be
>
> I kinda wish I would have had just the starter or just the battery
> swapped out first. That way I'd know which one really was the problem.
> Assuming it works now I'll never know which one it was. <shrug>
> Shit...as long as it is reliable I guess I don't care. Still, I'll
> wonder what it was long as I have the thing.
borderline. No-brainer to replace it.
Do you have the old starter? I would personally disassemble it
and check the condition of the solenoid contacts, brushes, armature
(hard to test without a proper growler), etc...
sn...@trippin.com
Apr 27, 2013, 1:54:01 PM4/27/13
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sure th' trains n' tunnels are still here for whenever *next time*
happens. Maybe you can show the Honkin' Stinkmeister th' way.
Th' EKIII Run's more important than a train race anyway.
Snarl
Andy the
Apr 27, 2013, 2:05:24 PM4/27/13
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On 4/27/2013 11:16 AM, Phil Boutros wrote:
> Andy the <and...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> I kinda wish I would have had just the starter or just the battery
>> swapped out first. That way I'd know which one really was the problem.
>> Assuming it works now I'll never know which one it was. <shrug>
>> Shit...as long as it is reliable I guess I don't care. Still, I'll
>> wonder what it was long as I have the thing.
>
> You knew from previous tests that the battery was getting to be
> borderline. No-brainer to replace it.
>
> Do you have the old starter? I would personally disassemble it
> and check the condition of the solenoid contacts, brushes, armature
> (hard to test without a proper growler), etc...
>
>
> Phil
>
Yup on the battery. Don't have the old starter, though. I don't know
> Andy the <and...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> I kinda wish I would have had just the starter or just the battery
>> swapped out first. That way I'd know which one really was the problem.
>> Assuming it works now I'll never know which one it was. <shrug>
>> Shit...as long as it is reliable I guess I don't care. Still, I'll
>> wonder what it was long as I have the thing.
>
> You knew from previous tests that the battery was getting to be
> borderline. No-brainer to replace it.
>
> Do you have the old starter? I would personally disassemble it
> and check the condition of the solenoid contacts, brushes, armature
> (hard to test without a proper growler), etc...
>
>
> Phil
>
enough about the guts of the starter to do much investigating. Used to
fool with them in the late 1960s when I worked on my old Chevrolets, but
it's been a long time since.
Picked it up about an hour ago. Hit the starter button and it cranked
like nobody's business! It musta been slowly getting worse and worse
over the last year or so, and I didn't notice the gradual degredation.
The difference with the new battery and starter is stark. Spins so well
that I rode it home on the starter. Just 12 miles...
OK. I lied about riding on the starter.
Anyway, I'm a happy person now. Bike starts and it runs great.
Unfortunately it's cold and rainy today, so I just stuck it in the shop
until tomorrow when they predict warm, dry weather.
The dealer has been real good to me, too. They didn't charge any
labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and
I've been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they
rebuilt the whole thing.
<shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
(Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
Andy aka Big Stinkie
Andy the
Apr 27, 2013, 2:06:44 PM4/27/13
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Andy aka Big Stinkie
Jim Combs
Apr 27, 2013, 8:51:59 PM4/27/13
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On Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:05:24 PM UTC-5, big stinkie wrote:
> Picked it up about an hour ago. Hit the starter button and it cranked
> like nobody's business! It musta been slowly getting worse and worse
> over the last year or so, and I didn't notice the gradual degredation.
[. . .]
> Picked it up about an hour ago. Hit the starter button and it cranked
> like nobody's business! It musta been slowly getting worse and worse
> over the last year or so, and I didn't notice the gradual degredation.
>
> Andy aka Big Stinkie
Goes to show the only load test that matters is the
one from your motor.
And Jinks mentioned new battery cables... That's a
good tip. Those degrade over time too and might be
making that new battery work harder than it should.
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TL Mitchell
Apr 30, 2013, 8:45:29 PM4/30/13
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<sn...@trippin.com> wrote
> Figgers, didn't TCSFNJ pick that weekend too?
Yeahbutt, it's every other year and not due til '14.
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> Figgers, didn't TCSFNJ pick that weekend too?
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sn...@trippin.com
May 1, 2013, 11:11:37 AM5/1/13
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Kinda funny, we had that weekend all to ourselves for all those years,
nothing else ever conflicted with it. That said, I wish I woulda kept
a list of all th' last minute excuses peeps came up with as to why
they couldn't make it <g>. There were some funny ones! You've no
doubt heard a few of those too.
Snarl
Carl
May 1, 2013, 4:47:08 PM5/1/13
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news:5YudnUAi8u75juHM...@earthlink.com...
snip
>
> The dealer has been real good to me, too. They didn't charge any
> labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
> zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and I've
> been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they rebuilt
> the whole thing.
>
> <shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
> (Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
>
> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>
Good deal Andy, not all dealers would be like that.
snip
>
> The dealer has been real good to me, too. They didn't charge any
> labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
> zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and I've
> been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they rebuilt
> the whole thing.
>
> <shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
> (Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
>
> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>
dan/danl
May 1, 2013, 5:48:43 PM5/1/13
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:05:24 -0500, Andy the <and...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Isn't that the type of thing for the Steeler Dealer list? Is the list
still in existence?
danl
wrote:
still in existence?
danl
dan/danl
May 1, 2013, 5:52:06 PM5/1/13
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On Wed, 01 May 2013 17:48:43 -0400, dan/danl <danl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
ad still going!!!
http://stealer-dealer.com/
wrote:
ad still going!!!
http://stealer-dealer.com/
Andy the
May 1, 2013, 8:00:41 PM5/1/13
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On 5/1/2013 4:52 PM, dan/danl wrote:
(snipster)
>>>
>>> The dealer has been real good to me, too. They didn't charge any
>>> labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
>>> zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and
>>> I've been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they
>>> rebuilt the whole thing.
>>>
>>> <shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
>>> (Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
>>>
>>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>>
>>
>> Isn't that the type of thing for the Steeler Dealer list? Is the list
>> still in existence?
>>
>> danl
>
> Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
> ad still going!!!
>
> http://stealer-dealer.com/
>
Got the link. I'll put 'em on the list! Thanks.
Andy aka Big Stinkie
(snipster)
>>>
>>> The dealer has been real good to me, too. They didn't charge any
>>> labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
>>> zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and
>>> I've been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they
>>> rebuilt the whole thing.
>>>
>>> <shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
>>> (Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
>>>
>>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>>
>>
>> Isn't that the type of thing for the Steeler Dealer list? Is the list
>> still in existence?
>>
>> danl
>
> Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
> ad still going!!!
>
> http://stealer-dealer.com/
>
Andy aka Big Stinkie
Andy the
May 1, 2013, 8:46:20 PM5/1/13
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On 5/1/2013 4:52 PM, dan/danl wrote:
(snipster)
>>>
(snipster)
>>>
>>> The dealer has been real good to me, too. They didn't charge any
>>> labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
>>> zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and
>>> I've been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they
>>> rebuilt the whole thing.
>>>
>>> <shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
>>> (Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
>>>
>>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>>
>>
>> Isn't that the type of thing for the Steeler Dealer list? Is the list
>> still in existence?
>>
>> danl
>
> Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
> ad still going!!!
>
> http://stealer-dealer.com/
>
Got the link. I'll put them in the good-guys list! Thanks.
>>> labor...just parts. The ticket showed 4 hours of labor, but with a big
>>> zero next to it. They said they did that cuz I'm a good customer and
>>> I've been having so much trouble with it the last few weeks after they
>>> rebuilt the whole thing.
>>>
>>> <shameless plug for a good dealer> Rawhide Harley Davidson - Olathe, KS.
>>> (Pronounced "Oh-LAY-thuh.")
>>>
>>> Andy aka Big Stinkie
>>
>>
>> Isn't that the type of thing for the Steeler Dealer list? Is the list
>> still in existence?
>>
>> danl
>
> Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
> ad still going!!!
>
> http://stealer-dealer.com/
>
Andy aka Big Stinkie
TL Mitchell
May 3, 2013, 1:02:52 AM5/3/13
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"dan/danl" <danl...@gmail.com> wrote
> Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
> ad still going!!!
>
> http://stealer-dealer.com/
Pretty outdated. Listed MSRPs are from 2009.
Anybody know if Hawgeye is still alive and well?
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> Answer my own question and with corrected speeaaling too! Ten years
> ad still going!!!
>
> http://stealer-dealer.com/
Anybody know if Hawgeye is still alive and well?
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