Just had Front Fender Painted...Paint Chipping Already.
essbee
I just had my Front Fender painted by a local body and paint shop. I ordered
my paint directly from the Harley Dealer using the stock colors. I had to
order 2 paints...the base coat which is a silver metalic, and the top coat
which is candy red.
Since these are stock HD parts, can I blame the easy chipping on the
painter. I dont think the paint is defective, but I need to no what I am
talking about before and if I complain to the body shop. What could be
causing the easy chipping?
SMitch2282
Hmmm..I think you could blame the painter...has he done bikes before? I have
seen car painters who are really good, screw up a bike. Prep work and the
mixing of the paint is the key...I suspect he was light on the catalyst and the
paint didnt harden correctly....Also, a good primer is called for...if its
second rate, the paint wont stick to it and all it will take is something like
a pebble to knock it off.
Phil Boutros
> Since these are stock HD parts, can I blame the easy chipping on the
> painter. I dont think the paint is defective, but I need to no what I am
> talking about before and if I complain to the body shop. What could be
> causing the easy chipping?
I'm sure Panhead will correct me if I'm wrong, but prepping is
*the* most important part of a paint job.
It's also the easiest to screw up/take shortcuts in. That's
why painters charge so much.
Phil
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Panhead
>
> essbee <matr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Since these are stock HD parts, can I blame the easy chipping on the
> > painter. I dont think the paint is defective, but I need to no what I am
> > talking about before and if I complain to the body shop. What could be
> > causing the easy chipping?
>
> I'm sure Panhead will correct me if I'm wrong, but prepping is
> *the* most important part of a paint job.
He's right.
> It's also the easiest to screw up/take shortcuts in. That's
> why painters charge so much.
While nothing is bullet proof, paint just shouldn't chip for no good
reason. Poor prep or very poor/incorrect materials will become ugly.
However, what I don't see is what *kind* of paint you bought, lacquer?
Urethane? and what THEY used for primers and sealers.
Also, I don't see the mention of clear.
Scootbum
really seen a non-factory paint job as durable a the factory jobs, but from the
way your talking it shouldnt be coming off that easy.............Chug them
drinks down fellerz>Subject: Just had Front Fender Painted...Paint Chipping
Already.
>From: "essbee" matr...@yahoo.com
>Date: 7/23/02 7:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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essbee
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essbee
mention this is a laquer based paint, he said he was familiar with working
with laquers cuz he been painting for over 20 years!
Anyway any ideas on how to approach this reasonably, should I ask for a
repaint or partial refund? The fender looks pretty good but its just that
the paint is only about a month old, and I feel its just not going to hold
up. I havnt tried it but I believe I can take my finger nail and scratch it
if I wanted to. It should be tougher than that.
essbee <matr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Roger Mauck
essbee wrote:
>
> From what you all say its not the paint but the painter. I also forgot to
> mention this is a laquer based paint, he said he was familiar with working
> with laquers cuz he been painting for over 20 years!
> Anyway any ideas on how to approach this reasonably, should I ask for a
> repaint or partial refund? The fender looks pretty good but its just that
> the paint is only about a month old, and I feel its just not going to hold
> up. I havnt tried it but I believe I can take my finger nail and scratch it
> if I wanted to. It should be tougher than that.
>
Candy paint? Should've been covered with a clear urethane top coat.
Lacquer is fragile paint.
Roger
SMitch2282
Yes it is and yes it should have been....like I said before....alot of painters
that do cars real well will screw up a bike. Take the fender to the painter and
show him, ask him how many coats of clear are on it...if he gives you grief
over it, just lay this on him..Tell him the bike will be in a show and with the
fender looking like that, you will be afraid you will have to tell everyone who
painted it. Then catch his reaction <G>.
Roger Mauck
SMitch2282 wrote:
>
> > From what you all say its not the paint but the painter. I also forgot to
> >> mention this is a laquer based paint, he said he was familiar with working
> >> with laquers cuz he been painting for over 20 years!
> >> Anyway any ideas on how to approach this reasonably, should I ask for a
> >> repaint or partial refund? The fender looks pretty good but its just that
> >> the paint is only about a month old, and I feel its just not going to hold
> >> up. I havnt tried it but I believe I can take my finger nail and scratch it
> >> if I wanted to. It should be tougher than that.
> >>
>
> > Candy paint? Should've been covered with a clear urethane top coat.
> >Lacquer is fragile paint.
> >
> Yes it is and yes it should have been....like I said before....alot of painters
> that do cars real well will screw up a bike.
That's horseshit. I painted cars for a long time. I don't have a
problem painting a bike. A bad painter is a bad painter. Weather he's
painting a car, motorcycle or a fucking wheel barrow!
>Take the fender to the painter and
> show him, ask him how many coats of clear are on it...if he gives you grief
> over it, just lay this on him..Tell him the bike will be in a show and with the
> fender looking like that, you will be afraid you will have to tell everyone who
> painted it. Then catch his reaction <G>.
I see the <G> otherwise I'd say that's plain stupid. Why not take it
to him and tell him to fix it.
Roger
SMitch2282
>problem painting a bike. A bad painter is a bad painter. Weather he's
>painting a car, motorcycle or a fucking wheel barrow!
>
well...maybe your the 1% thats good at both...but I have seen a lot of car
painters that are good with a gun sweeping over a fender, but suck at doing a
frame...I had a bike done by one a few years ago...I had a lot of orange peel
finish on the inside of the frame. You could rub your hands over the inside of
the frame and feel how rough it was...I saw a bike last week at a bike show
that was done by a guy that does cars...it hadnt even been wet sanded and
polished out...looked like a 2 step paint with 1 coat of clear over it...if it
had been mine, I would have beat the shit out of the painter.
Roger Mauck
SMitch2282 wrote:
>
> >That's horseshit. I painted cars for a long time. I don't have a
> >problem painting a bike. A bad painter is a bad painter. Weather he's
> >painting a car, motorcycle or a fucking wheel barrow!
> >
>
> well...maybe your the 1% thats good at both...but I have seen a lot of car
> painters that are good with a gun sweeping over a fender, but suck at doing a
> frame.
Whoever it is you are talking about probably sucked at car painting
too. You should have looked at his work a little better you would have
seen that.
>I had a bike done by one a few years ago...I had a lot of orange peel
> finish on the inside of the frame. You could rub your hands over the inside of
> the frame and feel how rough it was
What is this supposed to mean? Your stupid, or he's stupid?
>I saw a bike last week at a bike show
> that was done by a guy that does cars...it hadnt even been wet sanded and
> polished out...looked like a 2 step paint with 1 coat of clear over it...if it
> had been mine, I would have beat the shit out of the painter.
Sure you would have.
Roger
Hippy
> > >That's horseshit. I painted cars for a long time. I don't have a
> > >painting a car, motorcycle or a fucking wheel barrow!
>
painter is a bad painter"
3 Tips
1) Ask to see some of his work....( if you don't like what you see...forget
#2 and #3 )
2) Talk over with him what you want as a finished product.
3) You get what you pay for.
just my .02