> >walt > >'91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
> Hmm.... funny, I thought she was entitled to her opinion. Guess not. > -- > Curly LaJolla BS#107 AH#117 > 93 FLHS Bark-O-Glide > Lose Larry & Moe to email
she definiatly is entitled to her opinion. i was simply throwing the article out here to hear others opinions as well. my opinion is that i like the sound of loud pipes on bikes. the "bite me ya old bag" was mere levity... she could be 18 years old for all i know. thanks for your opinion.
walt '91 fxr "opinions are like assholes... evryone's got 'em and they all stink"
wallster wrote: > <Curly Larry and M...@aracnet.com (Curly LaJolla)> wrote... > > "wallster" <walls...@wallster.net> wrote: > > > them church bells annoy me... why do they need bells anyway??? > > > http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040703/4052313.asp > > Hmm.... funny, I thought she was entitled to her opinion. Guess not. > she definiatly is entitled to her opinion. i was simply throwing the article > out here to hear others opinions as well. my opinion is that i like the > sound of loud pipes on bikes. the "bite me ya old bag" was mere levity... > she could be 18 years old for all i know. > thanks for your opinion.
Well, if you're looking for other opinions, mine is that I agree with her. I don't like loud pipes on motorcycles, cars that are rolling boomboxes, or people mowing their lawn at 6am next door on a Saturday morning. Just my opinion.
As far as law enforcement is concerned, she raises an interesting point. In my county in Virginia, cars that are not properly muffled are pulled over and ticketed. Bikes (v-twins or sportbikes) that are obviously in violation of the county noise limits are not. There's definitely a double standard at work here. It may have something to do with county motor police riding bikes that have been modified to make much more exhaust noise than stock. At any rate, a number of my motorhead coworkers who are into hotrod cars are amazed at how quiet my Road Glide is with stock pipes; even going so far as to say they've *never* heard a motorcycle that quiet; they thought the louder pipes on other bikes were stock, and wondered how the manufacturer got away with such loud pipes!
Otoh, my best riding friend just replaced the stock pipes on his Ultra with SE fishtails, and they sound GREAT to me.... definitely lower pitched and throatier, without being excessively loud. (At least to me.)
> > walt > > '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
> Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not looking, > its much safer to be loud and heard.
While there may be some truth to that, that reason is too often over-abused. I'm all for being safe and whatever it takes to be seen and avoid being a statistic but sometimes the loudest pipes in the world won't help ya when people just aren't paying attention. When you ride you should know that you are taking a risk of being hit by some soccer-mom yapping on a cellphone or some punk playing with the controls of his mobil boombox or even wildlife. If you're not aware of the risk, you got no bidness on the street. Back to the pipes, sooner or later the EPA or some other Government body is going to crack down on loud pipes. It's inevitable. I also hate the sound of stock pipes on a Harley but sometimes some people just go a little too far.
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:22:40 -0400, Tim Morrow <tomor...@Erols.com> babbled:
=>Billy Boy Blue wrote:
=>>
=>> "wallster" <walls...@wallster.net> wrote in message
=>> news:tIydnUHq-ohkInvdRVn_iw@adelphia.com... =>> > them church bells annoy me... why do they need bells anyway??? =>> > http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040703/4052313.asp =>> > =>> > walt =>> > '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!) =>> > =>> Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not looking, =>> its much safer to be loud and heard. => =>I agree with that, too. That's why any time I think I might not be seen, I push =>that button on the left handlebar control group marked "horn"! => =>Tim (d&r)
oh yeah... until my next to useless stock horn is replace with a fuckin diesel train whistle I'm running my 2"x34" LAF pipes so I can be heard over the cell phones and stereos. Dr. Quin
'74 Whizbang (gone, but not forgotten) multitude of trashed jap bikes and one '66 beezer Lowriders: '81 (sold to a bud @ 88k), '82 (sold to Dunedin stealer @155k), '85 (still going strong @145k) *Remove yourclothes to email me*
> > > walt > > > '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
> > Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not > looking, > > its much safer to be loud and heard.
> While there may be some truth to that, that reason is too often over-abused. > I'm all for being safe and whatever it takes to be seen and avoid being a > statistic but sometimes the loudest pipes in the world won't help ya when > people just aren't paying attention.
Or, even when people ARE paying attention. As a rider, I'm constantly on the lookout for other riders, even when driving my truck. The other day I was on an interstate highway, traveling in the right lane at 60mph (my 454SS gets *really* lousy mileage) and was watching a rider work his way up through heavy traffic behind me. He was easily visible on an Electra Glide with those three big lights burning. I had my windows rolled up, but the stereo wasn't even playing. When he passed me, I was quite startled by how loud his pipes were, given that I had been keeping an eye on him. I could *NOT* hear his pipes when he was behind me in my blind spot, so had I *not* been watching him, his pipes wouldn't have helped him if I had stupidly decided to change lanes without checking over my shoulder first.
Otoh, I could hear his pipes for a LONG time after he passed me!
Tim -- '04 FLTRI (going back to the garage now to complete the installation of floating brake rotors and ss brake lines and new brake pads... amazing how little friction material was left on the original pads at 9,500 miles...)
"wallster" <walls...@wallster.net> wrote: > them church bells annoy me... why do they need bells anyway???
Beats me. BTW, it's a known fact that churches depress property values. Nobody wants to listen to balls all saturday, along with the hordes of 'nice' churchgoers looking anywhere and everywhere for a parking spot....
> > > walt > > > '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
> > Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not > looking, > > its much safer to be loud and heard.
> While there may be some truth to that, that reason is too often over-abused. > I'm all for being safe and whatever it takes to be seen and avoid being a > statistic but sometimes the loudest pipes in the world won't help ya when > people just aren't paying attention. > When you ride you should know that you are taking a risk of being hit by > some soccer-mom yapping on a cellphone or some punk playing with the > controls of his mobil boombox or even wildlife. If you're not aware of the > risk, you got no bidness on the street. > Back to the pipes, sooner or later the EPA or some other Government body is > going to crack down on loud pipes. It's inevitable. > I also hate the sound of stock pipes on a Harley but sometimes some people > just go a little too far.
Not that my opinion will matter but, I bought my '70 XLH 900 with drag pipes. After the first winter of tuning in the den, I bought baffles and hammered 'em in. Now its quiet enough to tune in the house and still loud enough to be heard (when I want it to be).
Just another newbie. 1970 XLH 900 (modified)((still kickin)) 1975 XLH 1000 (Bone-stock) Thanks for listening
> > > > walt > > > > '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
> > > Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not > looking, > > > its much safer to be loud and heard.
> > While there may be some truth to that, that reason is too often over-abused. > > I'm all for being safe and whatever it takes to be seen and avoid being a > > statistic but sometimes the loudest pipes in the world won't help ya when > > people just aren't paying attention.
(snip some)
I work for a police department (civilian position - not a cop.) It is well known industry wide that people can't hear sirens approaching from behind at highway speeds. It's not that they aren't listening...it has to do with speed, wind, doppler effect, yadda yadda. The sound simply doesn't reach their ears until the po-leece car is right on 'em. When they finally hear it, it's so loud and sudden that they are often startled. Startled drivers can do unexpected things, like stop or swerve. We've had it happen here. Studies show that the safest way to alert highway drivers of an approaching police car is the wig-wag headlights _without_ a siren, day or night. (We're talking interstate type traffic, not city streets.) They will usually see the lights, and those that don't are not surprised by the sudden noise of the siren.
The same phenomenon occurs with loud pipes. With the aforementioned fact in mind, I've watched drivers as I approach from behind on the interstate (I have straight pipes, BTW.) They often appear to not know I'm there until I'm next to them. My loud pipes wouldn't have offered me any safety by alerting the drivers of my presence until it was too late.
Now, figure that police sirens are directed to the front of the vehicle, and pipes are situated to divert the sound to the rear, I doubt that loud pipes are of much benefit on highways unless you want the guy behind you to know you're there...but that's what tail lights are for.
OTOH, sirens or loud pipes CAN be heard easily in a stopped or slow moving vehicle, _but_ according to more studies, it is very difficult/impossible to determine from which direction the sound is coming. When cages get confused they do unexpected things, like turn or stop or start when they shouldn't, and then they run over a motorcyclist or hit a cop car. We've had it happen here.
So, I don't think loud pipes save lives. I think loud pipes sound good. That's why I have them. Personal preference, I guess. And think of some big ol' chopper with an S&S 113 CI stroker cruising down the road, but with real quiet exhaust and sounds like a Gold Wing. Im sorry, but that just wouldn't be right.
JMHO, YMMV,
Andy aka Big Stinkie SENS MAMBM 02 Custom w/Sporty 1200 and loud pipes
>>> walt >>> '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
>> Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not looking, >> its much safer to be loud and heard.
> I agree with that, too. That's why any time I think I might not be > seen, I push > that button on the left handlebar control group marked "horn"!
> Tim (d&r)
Jeez, Tim, I can easily yell louder than my horn, which is what I usually do.
"YAAAAH!" seems to be more effective than "eeep?"
Yeah, I'm going to get one of those Howard's Horns or whatever, as soon as I get around to it. I wanna literally scare the shit out of people. Most of them deserve it. I mean, most of the ones I'd use it against. -- Nancy Bitch 27 '97 xl1200c slap my face to get my attention "Governor Bush and I are absolutely determined that we will restore a sense of civility and decency to the debate in Washington." -- Vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney, during the 2000 campaign "Go fuck yourself!" --Vice President Dick Cheney on the Senate floor, June 2004
> Not that my opinion will matter but, I bought my '70 XLH 900 with drag > pipes. After the first winter of tuning in the den, I bought baffles and > hammered 'em in. Now its quiet enough to tune in the house and still loud > enough to be heard (when I want it to be).
Now wait a fucking minute!
You actually tuned your engine in the den... in your house?
Didn't anybody ever tell you NOT to do that?
Jeez Louise! I hope you have a CO alarm in the den.
That shit is cumulative and dangerous to your health.
<shaking head, unbelievably>
< Thinking, Darwin Awards Candidate!>
<no sfsf> -- (^::^) SENS NEWT#11 BS#188 MISFIT DOF#YES (_o_) 99 FLHR "GRZLY" 80 XLH (soon to be reborn) BEAR RMH FAQs - http://rmhfaq.com Reply-To: gtodd at eye_ex dot netcom dot com
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:06:52 GMT, B...@anywhere.invalid babbled:
=>Shodjen wrote:
=>> =>===================== snippage happens ===================== =>> =>> Not that my opinion will matter but, I bought my '70 XLH 900 with drag =>> pipes. After the first winter of tuning in the den, I bought baffles and =>> hammered 'em in. Now its quiet enough to tune in the house and still loud =>> enough to be heard (when I want it to be). => =>Now wait a fucking minute! => =>You actually tuned your engine in the den... in your house? => =>Didn't anybody ever tell you NOT to do that? => =>Jeez Louise! I hope you have a CO alarm in the den. => =>That shit is cumulative and dangerous to your health. => =><shaking head, unbelievably> => =>< Thinking, Darwin Awards Candidate!> => =><no sfsf>
glad somebody mentioned CO... that shit sneaks up on ya and kills ya dead before you even realize yur dead!
One minute yur fine, next thing ya know ya wake up and say "WTF! I'm dead!"
Dr. Quin
'74 Whizbang (gone, but not forgotten) multitude of trashed jap bikes and one '66 beezer Lowriders: '81 (sold to a bud @ 88k), '82 (sold to Dunedin stealer @155k), '85 (still going strong @145k) *Remove yourclothes to email me*
>>>> walt >>>> '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
>>> Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not looking, >>> its much safer to be loud and heard.
>> I agree with that, too. That's why any time I think I might not be >> seen, I push >> that button on the left handlebar control group marked "horn"! >Jeez, Tim, I can easily yell louder than my horn, which is what I usually do.
I do that, but I *sometimes* do th' horn thingie, too. Butt generally, it's too late, the incident is over, and I got my highs on and my left signal blinking.
-- Redbeard Emeritus "The Dirt Devil, with a built-in Crevice Tool" (c) Do you polka?
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:06:52 GMT, B...@anywhere.invalid writ:
>Shodjen wrote: >> Not that my opinion will matter but, I bought my '70 XLH 900 with drag >> pipes. After the first winter of tuning in the den, I bought baffles and >> hammered 'em in. Now its quiet enough to tune in the house and still loud >> enough to be heard (when I want it to be). >Now wait a fucking minute!
>You actually tuned your engine in the den... in your house?
>Didn't anybody ever tell you NOT to do that?
Good point, but gives me an opportunity to remember an oldie but a goodie. Karen Wells doesn't hang here much if at all anymore, but I remember visiting her in Kokamo, IN. During the harsh winter, she'd store her bike in the kitchen. And on xmas and newyears, she'd fire th' fucker up. Not for long, but enuf to enjoy th' roar. I'm sure the other folks in the townhouses around her enjoyed it, too.
I did think the exhaust splatter on the wall was an especially nice touch.
-- Redbeard Emeritus "The Dirt Devil, with a built-in Crevice Tool" (c) Do you polka?
> Yeah, I'm going to get one of those Howard's Horns or whatever, as > soon > as I get around to it. I wanna literally scare the shit out of people. > Most of them deserve it. I mean, most of the ones I'd use it against.
I've got one on the bagger, and have discovered that it is very effective at scaring deer back into the woods as well. On the trip to New Mexico this year, I was cussed out by some tourists for ruining their "photo op" with Bambi at the side of the road. HeHeHe.
-- Dirty Harry, BS#59, DOF#4, FFDI "Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian." -- Dennis Wholey
>>>> its much safer to be loud and heard. >>>I push that button on the left handlebar >>>control group marked "horn"!
R.E. sed:
> I do that, but I *sometimes* do th' horn thingie, too. >Butt generally, it's too late, the incident is over, and >I got my highs on and my left signal blinking.
LOL, been there done that... The good thing about that; it acts as the pressure relief and you're too busy laughin' at yer own sto0pidity rather than doing something even more stupid that might getcha killed.
And I usually say something to myself like... "And if you do it again, you'll get some of THIS"... and I hit my right blinker...
> > walt > > '91 fxr (2" drag pipes... bite me ya old bag!)
> Its a safety thing, since bikes are often not seen do to people not looking, > its much safer to be loud and heard.
I'd buy this argument, or at least a person's belief in it, if their bike was decked out like Paulie, but I suspect that a lot of people that use this excuse are running with some combination of marker lights for turn signals, sparto tail lights, shorts, sandals, no helmets, beanie helmets, no safety training, etc, etc.
-- Tud AH#115 SENS BS#111 LFS#32 FLF MISFIT '70 Triumph T120R Chopper "The Death Trap" '72 Triumph T100R Project '74 Honda CB550Four "The Reliable One" http://ah115.com
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