Evolv tools?
JayC
Kirby teardown - I own(ed) only one, which was suspiciously absent.
Odd, since no machine on the planet (with the exception of the Kirby
shaft) is made using 9mm fasteners. After failing with pliers and
vice grips, my project was on hold until I replaced the missing
wrench. I went on a search, and quickly found that 9mm wrenches
aren't included with wrench sets, as a general rule. It falls with
just similarly elusive 15mm and 18mm sizes, I guess. Anyway, after
looking at a dozen different places unsuccessfully, I ended up at
Sears, where I could get a single 9mm Craftsman wrench for $6.
However, I also found an inexpensive 10 wrench set that actually
included 9mm for only $9, which is what I bought.
The set was made by Evolv, which is evidently a newish line carried by
Sears. The wrenches are polished chrome with a smooth finish and
somewhat feminine lines - very pretty tools. I wonder if anyone has
experience with this brand of tools - good or bad?
JayC
Tiago
> It falls with
> just similarly elusive 15mm and 18mm sizes, I guess.
Can't remember which, but I'm sure I own an engine with a 9mm nut
somewhere. Or was I owned? Can't really remember, but regarding 15mm,
all my pedal bycicles had 15mm axle nuts and on my current XR250
Tornado dirt bike the magneto bolt is a 18mm... Really odd is the 11mm
bolts that hold the e-starter motor on all Hondas I messed with.
good luck with your new tools! sometimes buying tools relax the mind
and bring happiness! I just built a chicken house. Too bad I've got no
spare weekend - this or the next week - to go to the public market and
get myself three or four baby chickens, the first guests... No
wrenches were needed in the building of the chicken house. Can't wait
for the first chicken barbecue! Any hints on how to slaughter them not
being beheading the poor thing????
-- T
-> my bike has a thick layer of dust, non-working charging system,
dirt carburetor and an owner who is not so happy about spending hours
on it again...
john
i have a set of whitworth wrenches left
over from my silly days when i thought
lucas "prince of darkness" would help
me see when the brakes faded on the
xk120...
kirby? isn't that the indestructible vacuum cleaner?
why on earth would you need to work on
one of those?
john
Come!" I looked and there before me was
a pale horse! Its rider was named Death,
and Hades was following close behind him.
<he rode a BSA, cause hades was the only
guy that could keep one running>
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I am Tosk
@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, j...@sysmatrix.net says...
I don't know about those tools but when I worked on cars, guys gave me
crap for buying Snap-Along... Really though, everybody's guarantee is
cool, but when I had to hold a tool in my hand for several hours a day,
I liked the "feminine" lines from Snap-on or even the Mac wrenches are
very smooth...
Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like to keep things easy, that's why I stay on the
track...
JayC
> why on earth would you need to work on
> one of those?
Yes, it is the indestructible vacuum - I have 3 of them. I had to
replace the impeller fan on one of the G4s 'cause my daughter sucked
up a quarter or something and broke it. $15 and 15 minutes later,
it's good for another 10 years (provided you have a 9mm open-end
wrench). I bought the first one legit ~15 years ago for an obnoxious
amount of dough, but got the other two from Ebay for about 1/10th of
current retail - they always need a little bit of servicing, but I'm a
Kirby mechanic (self-proclaimed).
JayC
john
news:MPG.2570ba2c2...@eternal-september.org...
dude where did you purchase the boob
shaped wrenches or was that wrench
shaped wenches, nevermind I'm sure
bev can set me straight on this.
she has the "gift" of clear typing..
john
excuse me, i need to go shopping
The Real Bev
Save your receipt. Not that I know anything or have ever heard of Evolv, but I
bought a very pretty (satin-black finish, very workmanlike) set of open ends at
Harbor Freight. The first time I used one (the oil drain bolt on my pickup) it
broke. I returned and got what I thought would be a nicer set, but I haven't
used it yet.
OTOH, I bought a 10mm Craftsman socket from which I could peel the chrome with
my thumbnail. Shit just ain't what it used to be.
--
Cheers, Bev
==================================================
Segal's Law: A man with one watch knows the time.
A man with two is never sure.
The Real Bev
> "I am Tosk" <justwaitaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> j...@sysmatrix.net says...
>>>
>>> I needed a 9mm open-end wrench to hold the motor shaft during a recent
>>> Kirby teardown - I own(ed) only one, which was suspiciously absent.
>>> Odd, since no machine on the planet (with the exception of the Kirby
>>> shaft) is made using 9mm fasteners. After failing with pliers and
>>> vice grips, my project was on hold until I replaced the missing
>>> wrench. I went on a search, and quickly found that 9mm wrenches
>>> aren't included with wrench sets, as a general rule. It falls with
>>> just similarly elusive 15mm and 18mm sizes, I guess. Anyway, after
>>> looking at a dozen different places unsuccessfully, I ended up at
>>> Sears, where I could get a single 9mm Craftsman wrench for $6.
>>> However, I also found an inexpensive 10 wrench set that actually
>>> included 9mm for only $9, which is what I bought.
>>>
>>> The set was made by Evolv, which is evidently a newish line carried by
>>> Sears. The wrenches are polished chrome with a smooth finish and
>>> somewhat feminine lines - very pretty tools. I wonder if anyone has
>>> experience with this brand of tools - good or bad?
>>
>> I don't know about those tools but when I worked on cars, guys gave me
>> crap for buying Snap-Along... Really though, everybody's guarantee is
>> cool, but when I had to hold a tool in my hand for several hours a day,
>> I liked the "feminine" lines from Snap-on or even the Mac wrenches are
>> very smooth...
Craftsman tools aren't really very pretty. I like Thorson ratchets, but I
haven't seen one like that for a long time. The dumb modern design requires
two hands to adjust. Proto makes really beautiful pliers that don't pinch your
finger if you grab them the wrong way.
>> Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like to keep things easy, that's why I stay on the
>> track...
>
> dude where did you purchase the boob
> shaped wrenches or was that wrench
> shaped wenches, nevermind I'm sure
> bev can set me straight on this.
> she has the "gift" of clear typing..
You're just impressed because I have a working 'shift' key. I don't think a
wrench-shaped wench would be exactly what you had in mind, although I can see
possibilities for wench-shaped wrenches providing you like wenches with really
short legs and a hole in the head where a brain normally resides.
> excuse me, i need to go shopping
My 1988 Caddy uses both SAE and metric nuts/bolts/screws. Miserably annoying,
but at least they only use ONE type of metric fastener (what was the thing with
Japan using two slightly different metric sizes a couple of decades back?) and
no Whitworth.
john
> Craftsman tools aren't really very pretty. I like Thorson ratchets, but I
> haven't seen one like that for a long time. The dumb modern design requires two
> hands to adjust. Proto makes really beautiful pliers that don't pinch your
> finger if you grab them the wrong way.
>
tool choices, not I just grab what's
in reach (it's harder to get up off
concrete floor than I remember)
usually I bring the "tool Blanket"
the pouch with metrics & SAE
from 8mm to 1-1/2".. than and
a BFH & crescent usually do the
trick. I have a set of autogrip
groovelock pliers that have been
useful for light duty use, because they
don't require two hands to adjust
the clamping size, they are spring loaded
to fully open like a channel lock then as
you grip them they close the gap, then shift
the jaw a bit so the cam is in the groove so you
can clamp hard on them. nice for those
hard to reach spots where you plan on replacing the
fastener with a new one any how..
>>> Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like to keep things easy, that's why I stay on the
>>> track...
>>
>> dude where did you purchase the boob
>> shaped wrenches or was that wrench
>> shaped wenches, nevermind I'm sure
>> bev can set me straight on this.
>> she has the "gift" of clear typing..
>
> You're just impressed because I have a working 'shift' key. I don't think a
> wrench-shaped wench would be exactly what you had in mind, although I can see
> possibilities for wench-shaped wrenches providing you like wenches with really
> short legs and a hole in the head where a brain normally resides.
>
Holy batbrains batman she's missing her cranium cavity.
>> excuse me, i need to go shopping
>
> My 1988 Caddy uses both SAE and metric nuts/bolts/screws. Miserably annoying,
> but at least they only use ONE type of metric fastener (what was the thing with
> Japan using two slightly different metric sizes a couple of decades back?) and
> no Whitworth.
>
Whitworth had superior thread profile/angle to prevent galling & stripping
I would have liked Whitworth to be the standard but wars happen and
USA had to ship a bunch of stuff quickly and they used what they had
and the British abandoned Whitworth to have interchangeable parts...
I think the metric variety pack had something to do with china/japan
john
you know why women can't measure,
<holding fingers just apart this much>
because they were told this is 10 inches
JayC
> bought a very pretty (satin-black finish, very workmanlike) set of open ends at
> Harbor Freight. The first time I used one (the oil drain bolt on my pickup) it
> broke. I returned and got what I thought would be a nicer set, but I haven't
> used it yet.
I thought about it (since you DO need a receipt for the lifetime
guarantee - might even be the case for Craftsman now too), but it's
not worth generating that level of organization for $9.
JayC
I am Tosk
381b87...@o31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, j...@sysmatrix.net says...
>
> > Save your receipt. ï¿œNot that I know anything or have ever heard of Evolv, but I
> > bought a very pretty (satin-black finish, very workmanlike) set of open ends at
> > broke. ï¿œI returned and got what I thought would be a nicer set, but I haven't
> > used it yet.
>
> I thought about it (since you DO need a receipt for the lifetime
> guarantee - might even be the case for Craftsman now too), but it's
> not worth generating that level of organization for $9.
>
> JayC
I pulled over to a Snap-Along truck the other day and whipped out my
broken 1/4 inch ratchet. He rebuilt it on the spot and noted that I
could make it last longer if I oiled it once in a while... Didn't try to
sell me anything, made me wonder who he was and what he did with the
driver;)
Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like my tools like my women... I will leave the
rest up to your dirty minds...
The Real Bev
> "The Real Bev" <
>> ...Proto makes really beautiful pliers that don't pinch your
>> finger if you grab them the wrong way.
>>
> ...nice for those
> hard to reach spots where you plan on replacing the
> fastener with a new one any how..
We could always recognize a car that my son's friend Patrick had worked on by
the rounded boltheads and nuts. I have no idea what he used for a screwdriver,
but his other tool was a pair of pliers.
>>>> Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like to keep things easy, that's why I stay on the
>>>> track...
>>>
>>> dude where did you purchase the boob
>>> shaped wrenches or was that wrench
>>> shaped wenches, nevermind I'm sure
>>> bev can set me straight on this.
>>> she has the "gift" of clear typing..
>>
>> You're just impressed because I have a working 'shift' key. I don't think a
>> wrench-shaped wench would be exactly what you had in mind, although I can see
>> possibilities for wench-shaped wrenches providing you like wenches with really
>> short legs and a hole in the head where a brain normally resides.
>
> Holy batbrains batman she's missing her cranium cavity.
>
>>> excuse me, i need to go shopping
>>
>> My 1988 Caddy uses both SAE and metric nuts/bolts/screws. Miserably annoying,
>> but at least they only use ONE type of metric fastener (what was the thing with
>> Japan using two slightly different metric sizes a couple of decades back?) and
>> no Whitworth.
>
> Whitworth had superior thread profile/angle to prevent galling & stripping
> I would have liked Whitworth to be the standard but wars happen and
> USA had to ship a bunch of stuff quickly and they used what they had
> and the British abandoned Whitworth to have interchangeable parts...
Husband had a Triumph in the late 50s, which probably accounts for a few
Whitworth tools we have floating around.
> I think the metric variety pack had something to do with china/japan
I don't they even HAD fasteners in China in the late 60s (early 70s?) Maybe
those pretty carved thingies. Wait, those are Japanese. Never mind.
> you know why women can't measure,
> <holding fingers just apart this much>
> because they were told this is 10 inches
That also explains why men can't measure up either :-)
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Cheers, Bev
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"If you were trying to be offensive, you would have succeeded if I
hadn't realized you have no idea what you are talking about."
-- FernandoP
The Real Bev
> j...@sysmatrix.net says...
>>
>> > Save your receipt. Not that I know anything or have ever heard of Evolv, but I
>> > bought a very pretty (satin-black finish, very workmanlike) set of open ends at
>> > Harbor Freight. The first time I used one (the oil drain bolt on my pickup) it
>> > broke. I returned and got what I thought would be a nicer set, but I haven't
>> > used it yet.
>>
>> I thought about it (since you DO need a receipt for the lifetime
>> guarantee - might even be the case for Craftsman now too), but it's
>> not worth generating that level of organization for $9.
>
> I pulled over to a Snap-Along truck the other day and whipped out my
> broken 1/4 inch ratchet. He rebuilt it on the spot and noted that I
> could make it last longer if I oiled it once in a while... Didn't try to
> sell me anything, made me wonder who he was and what he did with the
> driver;)
Sears sells ratchet repair kits for a penny -- probably just to keep track.
I'm pissed at my grandson. The people who owned the house before left a 1/4"
Craftsman ratchet which I only discovered after it had been left out in the
rain for two years. I'm pretty sure that Sears won't replace it, but maybe I
should give the repair kit a shot. I chewed the kid out royally, but I don't
think it sunk in. He's just not a careful kind of kid. I nearly cried when I
saw it.
I also forbade him to use 'cheap' as an insult when I was around. Sometimes
'cheap' is plenty good enough and it's really stupid to spend big money when
you don't have to.
> Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like my tools like my women... I will leave the
> rest up to your dirty minds...
This is the short-legs-hole-in-the-head thing?
john
> john wrote:
>
>> "The Real Bev" <
>>> ...Proto makes really beautiful pliers that don't pinch your finger if
>>> you grab them the wrong way.
>>>
>> ...nice for those
>> hard to reach spots where you plan on replacing the
>> fastener with a new one any how..
>
> We could always recognize a car that my son's friend Patrick had worked on
> by the rounded boltheads and nuts. I have no idea what he used for a
> screwdriver, but his other tool was a pair of pliers.
>
keep him away from my airplanes, i'm obsessive compulsive
about their up keep (could eat off the engines)... i'm a little more
lax on vehicles i can always walk away from, i'm a decent swimer
but not that good so i guess they lie somewhere between functional
and near perfect.
i have weapons threaded in whitworth i got rid of
the last 50's jag left my garage a decade ago...yet
some bolts & electrical nightmares linger on..
>> I think the metric variety pack had something to do with china/japan
>
> I don't they even HAD fasteners in China in the late 60s (early 70s?)
> Maybe those pretty carved thingies. Wait, those are Japanese. Never
> mind.
are you thinking about those woven finger traps?
>> you know why women can't measure,
>> <holding fingers just apart this much>
>> because they were told this is 10 inches
>
> That also explains why men can't measure up either :-)
>
we mesure fine, it's just that we tend to stretch the truth
john
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john
>I am Tosk wrote:
>
>> Rowdy Mouse Racing, I like my tools like my women... I will leave the
>> rest up to your dirty minds...
>
> This is the short-legs-hole-in-the-head thing?
hard to find the right one
rusty & bent
air tools make more noise as the air comes out (barely)
converts $ into shiney objects
john
gotta go, wife needs a tune up
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
The Real Bev
> "The Real Bev" <
>> john wrote:
>>> "The Real Bev" <
>>>> ...Proto makes really beautiful pliers that don't pinch your finger if
>>>> you grab them the wrong way.
>>>>
>>> ...nice for those
>>> hard to reach spots where you plan on replacing the
>>> fastener with a new one any how..
>>
>> We could always recognize a car that my son's friend Patrick had worked on
>> by the rounded boltheads and nuts. I have no idea what he used for a
>> screwdriver, but his other tool was a pair of pliers.
>
> keep him away from my airplanes, i'm obsessive compulsive
> about their up keep (could eat off the engines)...
I suspect that's the only way to survive. A former boss became a certified
airplane mechanic so he could work on his own plane, one of those Skymasters
with two engines, one in front and one in back. He was also frugal and didn't
want to pay somebody else to do what he could do himself.
I'm not the kind of mechanic who should ever be allowed near a plane -- "good
enough" is always good enough. That's why I like Kawasaki -- they see me coming!
> i'm a little more
> lax on vehicles i can always walk away from, i'm a decent swimer
> but not that good so i guess they lie somewhere between functional
> and near perfect.
I dread something happening to my mom's (now mine) 88 Caddy. The brake light
comes on when the engine is cold and goes off (sometimes) when I step on the
brake. It insists on reminding me every five minutes that I'm low on washer
fluid, which is obvious because the bottom of the reservoir is busted out. It
demands that I push at least one button to make it go away so I can see the
engine temperature, which is what I'm really interested in. Damn readout is
also impossible to see in bright sun. Dumb, but it's only got 62K miles on it.
>> Husband had a Triumph in the late 50s, which probably accounts for a few
>> Whitworth tools we have floating around.
>>
> i have weapons threaded in whitworth i got rid of
> the last 50's jag left my garage a decade ago...yet
> some bolts & electrical nightmares linger on..
Lucas, Bringer of Darkness.
>>> I think the metric variety pack had something to do with china/japan
>>
>> I don't they even HAD fasteners in China in the late 60s (early 70s?)
>> Maybe those pretty carved thingies. Wait, those are Japanese. Never
>> mind.
>
> are you thinking about those woven finger traps?
No, I had forgotten about those. I expect they could be made suitable for
applications other than annoying people. The Japanese things are netsuke, used
instead of buttons for fastening clothing.
>>> you know why women can't measure,
>>> <holding fingers just apart this much>
>>> because they were told this is 10 inches
>>
>> That also explains why men can't measure up either :-)
>>
> we mesure fine, it's just that we tend to stretch the truth
I rest my case.
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Cheers, Bev
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I am Tosk
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Uh, no... Anyway, I had a Craftsman ratchet in my tool kit about 20
years ago in my car. I was on the way to a wedding in the sticks and
blew a tire. The 3/4 inch ratchet broke and I ended up missing the
wedding all together. The lifetime warrante didn't do me much good
then... I have actually had a Craftsman wrench break off right in my
hand once, smashed the hell out of my knuckles. Either way, like I said
before, to me it's the handle that counts most to me when I am holding
it all day.
RMR, to tired to think of anything to say...