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PaPa Peng
Feb 6, 2012, 8:37:35 AM2/6/12
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The picture of a supercarrier under construction in
http://science.howstuffworks.com/aircraft-carrier2.htm shows an
impressive sized bow bulb (proper name?). What kind of equipment is
installed in this part of the ship.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/aircraft-carrier2.htm shows an
impressive sized bow bulb (proper name?). What kind of equipment is
installed in this part of the ship.
som...@some.domain
Feb 7, 2012, 12:58:26 AM2/7/12
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PaPa Peng
Feb 7, 2012, 7:28:17 AM2/7/12
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On Feb 6, 10:58 pm, some...@some.domain (some...@some.domain) wrote:
> In article <7134d983-2efe-4a08-92ce-5437620ae...@k3g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>, PaPa Peng <papape...@gmail.com> wrote:>The picture of a supercarrier under construction in
> >http://science.howstuffworks.com/aircraft-carrier2.htmshows an
Something the size of a bow bulb in the picture has at least two to
three decks of empty space that, if left empty, will unbalance the
buoyancy of the ship. That space is too valuable in a cramped a/
carrier to be filled with ballast. Speculations of its use anyone?
Also none of the models of USN a/carriers include a bow bulb although
anyone familiar with large hulls assumes that there is one. Its the
size of it that surprised me.
> In article <7134d983-2efe-4a08-92ce-5437620ae...@k3g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>, PaPa Peng <papape...@gmail.com> wrote:>The picture of a supercarrier under construction in
> >http://science.howstuffworks.com/aircraft-carrier2.htmshows an
> >impressive sized bow bulb (proper name?). What kind of equipment is
> >installed in this part of the ship.
>
> they were originally used to make the ship faster and change the wave pattern.
That everyone already knows.
> >installed in this part of the ship.
>
> they were originally used to make the ship faster and change the wave pattern.
Something the size of a bow bulb in the picture has at least two to
three decks of empty space that, if left empty, will unbalance the
buoyancy of the ship. That space is too valuable in a cramped a/
carrier to be filled with ballast. Speculations of its use anyone?
Also none of the models of USN a/carriers include a bow bulb although
anyone familiar with large hulls assumes that there is one. Its the
size of it that surprised me.
Jessie_C
Feb 7, 2012, 1:07:57 PM2/7/12
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In article <ea427303-dd73-4b31...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
papa...@gmail.com says...
the bouyancy of the area is taken into account when the ship is designed. Some
ships carry their sonar in that general area, but it's not optimal given the
massive flow noise of the bow wave at any speed above dead slow, not to mention
that an aircraft carrier has no business getting near submarines. That's what
the destroyers are for. I'd say that it's dead space. There's no point putting
any delicate machinery in there, and accomodation spaces in the bow are
extremel uncomfortable. At minimum it may be stowage space for items that don't
mind being tossed up and down through a 5 metre arc whenever the ship is in a
seaway.
papa...@gmail.com says...
> Something the size of a bow bulb in the picture has at least two to
> three decks of empty space that, if left empty, will unbalance the
> buoyancy of the ship. That space is too valuable in a cramped a/
> carrier to be filled with ballast. Speculations of its use anyone?
>
>
Very often the hydrodynamic benefit more than justifies the weight penalty, and
> three decks of empty space that, if left empty, will unbalance the
> buoyancy of the ship. That space is too valuable in a cramped a/
> carrier to be filled with ballast. Speculations of its use anyone?
>
>
the bouyancy of the area is taken into account when the ship is designed. Some
ships carry their sonar in that general area, but it's not optimal given the
massive flow noise of the bow wave at any speed above dead slow, not to mention
that an aircraft carrier has no business getting near submarines. That's what
the destroyers are for. I'd say that it's dead space. There's no point putting
any delicate machinery in there, and accomodation spaces in the bow are
extremel uncomfortable. At minimum it may be stowage space for items that don't
mind being tossed up and down through a 5 metre arc whenever the ship is in a
seaway.
The Old Man
Feb 7, 2012, 2:14:59 PM2/7/12
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On Tuesday, February 7, 2012 1:07:57 PM UTC-5, (unknown) wrote:
> At minimum it may be stowage space for items that don't mind being
> tossed up and down through a 5 metre arc whenever the ship is in a
> seaway.
Sounds like a great place for the brig.....
> At minimum it may be stowage space for items that don't mind being
> tossed up and down through a 5 metre arc whenever the ship is in a
> seaway.
Regards,
John Braungart
Rufus
Feb 7, 2012, 3:06:51 PM2/7/12
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of the hangar deck has yet to be fitted.
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- Rufus
Jessie_C
Feb 7, 2012, 6:03:51 PM2/7/12
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In article <10626727.1268.1328642099124.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqgc19>,
Brau...@verizon.net says...
Brau...@verizon.net says...
> Sounds like a great place for the brig.....
>
>
If you want to swab the decks all the time, be my guest.
>
>
the Legend of LAX
Feb 7, 2012, 6:58:09 PM2/7/12
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with hundreds of transducers. It was water filled when the ship was in
the water, & was pressure tested in drydock. It was mostly made of
rubber. Of course, this could be something completely different.
--
Dale G Elhardt
Cypress Ca
I welcome change. But I prefer bills.
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PaPa Peng
Feb 19, 2012, 6:28:58 PM2/19/12
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On Feb 7, 11:07 am, <Jessie_C> wrote:
> In article <ea427303-dd73-4b31-9305-991a34674...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> papape...@gmail.com says...
One last kick on the tire. After a lot of thought I think the best
explanation for the large sized bow bulb would be to keep the flight
deck horizontal. The bulb will be sized to the normal CVB cruising
speed somewhere in the region of 17 to 20 knots. The nuclear powered
Supercarrier may be be able to maintain high speed in the region of 30
knots and over. But for the the accompanying vessels that speed would
exhaust their fuel quickly as well as prematurely wear out their
mechanicals. But in battle situations the S/carrier will probably run
at the higher speed. I suspect this will lift the bow (or dig in?)
end. Filling/adjusting the bow bulb with water ballast will trim the
ship's bow down again to a horizontal flight deck. The large size of
the bow bulb is to provide the mass and inertia to dampen oscillations
in vertical trim.
> In article <ea427303-dd73-4b31-9305-991a34674...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> papape...@gmail.com says...
explanation for the large sized bow bulb would be to keep the flight
deck horizontal. The bulb will be sized to the normal CVB cruising
speed somewhere in the region of 17 to 20 knots. The nuclear powered
Supercarrier may be be able to maintain high speed in the region of 30
knots and over. But for the the accompanying vessels that speed would
exhaust their fuel quickly as well as prematurely wear out their
mechanicals. But in battle situations the S/carrier will probably run
at the higher speed. I suspect this will lift the bow (or dig in?)
end. Filling/adjusting the bow bulb with water ballast will trim the
ship's bow down again to a horizontal flight deck. The large size of
the bow bulb is to provide the mass and inertia to dampen oscillations
in vertical trim.
Rufus
Feb 19, 2012, 7:12:54 PM2/19/12
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som...@some.domain
Feb 19, 2012, 9:40:28 PM2/19/12
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Jessie_C
Feb 20, 2012, 2:28:58 AM2/20/12
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In article <ed6639ee-6c3e-4281...@q12g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
papa...@gmail.com says...
Ships are designed to ride on the ragged edge of strength-to-weight as it is.
Putting that much weight that far forward is just asking for the ship to hog.
papa...@gmail.com says...
> Filling/adjusting the bow bulb with water ballast will trim the
> ship's bow down again to a horizontal flight deck.
Too complicated, too much to break, too much added weight, complexity and cost.
> ship's bow down again to a horizontal flight deck.
Ships are designed to ride on the ragged edge of strength-to-weight as it is.
Putting that much weight that far forward is just asking for the ship to hog.
Rufus
Feb 20, 2012, 2:26:23 PM2/20/12
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som...@some.domain wrote:
> In article<o8qdnT4_TI6bDdzS...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
> hey rufe, what happened with the tunes? i could mail a disc....
Didn't work out on that group - it has a seriously low retention time
> In article<o8qdnT4_TI6bDdzS...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com> wrote:
>>
> hey rufe, what happened with the tunes? i could mail a disc....
from what I can see via my ISP.
But I did grab the the one I was after from online sources - I got a ton
of realtime recording capability...
--
- Rufus
som...@some.domain
Feb 20, 2012, 4:40:38 PM2/20/12
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Rufus
Feb 20, 2012, 4:51:04 PM2/20/12
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- Rufus
som...@some.domain
Feb 20, 2012, 5:48:42 PM2/20/12
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In article <bcednWs0w7nVXd_S...@mchsi.com>, Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote:
>som...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article<Z8adnW4wO9bCA9_S...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com>
> wrote:
>>> som...@some.domain wrote:
>>>> In article<o8qdnT4_TI6bDdzS...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> hey rufe, what happened with the tunes? i could mail a disc....
>>>
>>> Didn't work out on that group - it has a seriously low retention time
>>>from what I can see via my ISP.
>>>
>>> But I did grab the the one I was after from online sources - I got a ton
>>> of realtime recording capability...
>>>
>> ok. long as you're happy.
>
>.....well, on some days less than others...but overall...
>som...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article<Z8adnW4wO9bCA9_S...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com>
> wrote:
>>> som...@some.domain wrote:
>>>> In article<o8qdnT4_TI6bDdzS...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> hey rufe, what happened with the tunes? i could mail a disc....
>>>
>>> Didn't work out on that group - it has a seriously low retention time
>>>from what I can see via my ISP.
>>>
>>> But I did grab the the one I was after from online sources - I got a ton
>>> of realtime recording capability...
>>>
>> ok. long as you're happy.
>
>
yeah, we relate. my turn to have health issues now. can you say hernia?
Rufus
Feb 20, 2012, 6:42:23 PM2/20/12
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think I've had one bleed on me in the last six. That's sort of
scary...it's still not a natural act.
My eyes have been giving me fits...I need new glasses but I'm trying to
hold out until my next scheduled. At least I *hope* that's all I need.
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- Rufus
som...@some.domain
Feb 20, 2012, 7:56:25 PM2/20/12
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there that can cost you your sight almost overnight. my bud had irratations
in his right eye and didn't get it checked. it stopped working and still
doesn't.
yes, i'm trying to frighten you. bad kitty litter can cause blindness. some
bacteria that lives on cat scat.
Rufus
Feb 20, 2012, 10:40:27 PM2/20/12
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driven into your eye when it flares - the iris gets stick to the lens
and every time the light changes and my pupil tries to open or
close...SPIKE! I have both drops and the Humira injections controlling
that...so yeah, I look after my eyeballs!
No pain right now, just strain. I have an astigmatism correction, but
no magnification...just need to get things back into round. I can rest
my eyes by taking my glasses off, but then it's harder to read - I get
edge blur.
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- Rufus
som...@some.domain
Feb 20, 2012, 11:01:55 PM2/20/12
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hear it.
Rufus
Feb 21, 2012, 12:15:25 AM2/21/12
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- Rufus
som...@some.domain
Feb 21, 2012, 1:00:32 AM2/21/12
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In article <ua-dnXjj9cDwtd7S...@mchsi.com>, Rufus <n...@home.com> wrote:
>som...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article<eO2dnVVJX82yj97S...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com>
> wrote:
>>> som...@some.domain wrote:
>> sounds familiar. i should have figured you be on top of it. but i'm glad to
>> hear it.
>
>Sucks gittin' old...
>
didn't know how much it sucks....
>som...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article<eO2dnVVJX82yj97S...@mchsi.com>, Rufus<n...@home.com>
> wrote:
>>> som...@some.domain wrote:
>> sounds familiar. i should have figured you be on top of it. but i'm glad to
>> hear it.
>
>Sucks gittin' old...
>
The Old Man
Feb 21, 2012, 6:35:33 AM2/21/12
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2012 12:15:25 AM UTC-5, Rufus wrote:
> Sucks gittin' old...
Consider the alternative.......
Regards,
John Braungart
> Sucks gittin' old...
Consider the alternative.......
Regards,
John Braungart
Rufus
Feb 21, 2012, 2:52:33 PM2/21/12
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