Which B-36 Camo scheme looks coolest?
EF Hill
I quite frankly suck at NMF finishes no matter how much
I practice and try to be careful. So I'd like to do the
Flying Recycling Center in a camo job. I'm kinda torn
between a couple:
- SEA B-52 style with gloss black underside and sides
- SAC greens/brown with white underside
- New SAC overall Gunship Grey.
Each has its plusses and minuses, the SEA would look cool
because the gloss black would really offset the camo and
would be quite easy to do. The white underside would be
even more colorful and contrasting, but I'd have to be
even more careful on the seems and layer the white paint
kinda thick. The overall grey would be VERY EASY to
spray, and I think with modern low vis decals and with
the odd light, bare metal flakes, di-electric panel co-
uld be VERY good looking on a B-36.
BTW, I had considered the wrap around lizard scheme, but
in my mind the B-36 would look like a moldy cucumber with
wings.
Lemme know what you guys think and I'll consider your op-
inions with care.
Oh, and please don't bother giving me hints and tips on
NMF finishes, it's one of those things with me like the
Charlie Brown and the kite eating tree sort of affairs.
I just plain can't do them worth a damn. :) I do appr-
eciate the thought and effort, but it'd be kinda like
teaching a pig to appreciate music, it gets you nowhere,
and only annoys the pig.
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Frank Henriquez
elh...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (EF Hill) wrote:
>- New SAC overall Gunship Grey.
I think this would look the best, as you described. Maybe add a couple
of Sidewinders and a few blade antennas and bumps.
Frank
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a black belly. Okay, so SAC didn't do the SIOP camo with black, but hey,
it's my fantasy, right? Either way, it'd definitely look cool as crap.
I'm going to be doing my B-49C in SIOP camo (someday) with the Hound Dog
missiles mounted upside down on top of the wing (like Sidewinders on a
Jaguar). Kinda cool, eh?
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Stefan P. Banaszak
Vulcan. Add black 'stencil' stars and bars and 12" high "United States
Air Force" on the fuselage.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
JJF
Why stick with a USAF scheme on this project? Since you are going to
do it up in fictional markings, why not go with a US Navy scheme? A
gull gray topside over a gloss white underside with the control
surfaces in white. A B-36 or in this case the Navy designation for
whatever the replacement for the PB4Y Privateer would be designated and
put it in markings for a VP Squadron (Very Heavy).
Or you could try for the late fifties/early sixties livery of gloss
white over dark blue.
Do away with the jet engine pods since it would be a patrol bomber and
speed would not be such a critical issue for dashing over the target.
Add a forest of ESM/ECM antennas, some addtional bulges and bumps, and
mount a search light under the wing and you would have a very
impressive looking alternative history B-36.
afn,
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Vickers Valiant. Or call it a special recon paint job. Use red
lettering like the early B-57 Canberras on a gloss black paint job.
Bear in mind that the use of an all black B-36 would not include N-
weapons though(no anti-flash undersides)so a night recon or elint
version version would seem realistic. Elint birds would be festooned
with all kind of antennae or perhaps a special radome somewhere on the
fuselage. Just my opinion. Cool thought though.
Gene DiGennaro
Baltimore, Md.
Pipo
band? Like the Rolling Stones for example. In a seventies style psychedelic
colour scheme in bright colours and graffity with a huge Rolling Stones logo
on the vertical stabilizer. You know the mouth and tongue logo. And a big
red tongue under the nose.
Ron.
"EF Hill" <elh...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> schreef in bericht
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How about a high altitude low visibility scheme? White or light gray or
even lt.blue undersides and medium gray uppers. OR! Do it in its
originally intended colors, O.D. and gray and Army AirCorps instead of
USAF markings? Without the jets, of course.
Chris
wrote:
Build it as a gun-ship ala the AC-130 Spectre. It would predate the
AC-130... so I'd call it a AC-36 Spirit
Chris Crofoot
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Val Kraut
So I'd like to do the
>Flying Recycling Center in a camo job.
Why stop with the camo - that long fuselage would be perfect for some
extended nose art ala the Dragon and his tail. You might also consider an
experimental version - theres a B-52 at Davis Monthian with all red scheme
with a cross grid of white and many squadron/project insignia. Don't know
the story behond this one but it must have been interesting.
Val Kraut
Val Kraut
>How about an all black B-36? Elint birds would be festooned
>with all kind of antennae or perhaps a special radome somewhere on the
>fuselage. Just my opinion. Cool thought though.
>
Some years back I knew a guy at work who claimed he actually saw black
B-36s at an overseas base when he was in the AF. Most of us saw some hu or
in this. However, If you choose to believe this, they would have been Elint
Birds probing the USSR radar and communications systems. Kind of leaves you
with a "this never happened" , "we were never there" theme. You'd have to
add some weird antennas and blisters and maybe Uncle Weatherby on the tail
as a cover story on weather aircraft. If nothing else you could probably
agrivate the hell out of the Know it alls at the next modeling contest.
Val Kraut
Chris B-R
FedEx/UPS Heavy Lift Cargo. Turn the nose into an opening cargo door. I
think the purple & white scheme of FedEx would look really sharp. Or, if
you want to try doing some creative masking, go for a USPS Heavy Lift, with
the Postal Eagle on the tail.
Run a few dozen windows down the side and you've got a huge airliner,
opening up all sorts of livery ideas. Can you imagine what it would be like
flying in the belly of a B-36 airliner, LA to Tokyo?
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RobbelothE
>From: elh...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (EF Hill)
>Date: 1/8/01 1:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <93d2h0$egv$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>
>
>Okay, so it's never been camo'd in real life. BUT!
>
>I quite frankly suck at NMF finishes no matter how much
>I practice and try to be careful. So I'd like to do the
>Flying Recycling Center in a camo job. I'm kinda torn
>between a couple:
>
>- SEA B-52 style with gloss black underside and sides
>- SAC greens/brown with white underside
>- New SAC overall Gunship Grey.
>
>Each has its plusses and minuses, the SEA would look cool
>because the gloss black would really offset the camo and
>would be quite easy to do. The white underside would be
>even more colorful and contrasting, but I'd have to be
>even more careful on the seems and layer the white paint
>kinda thick. The overall grey would be VERY EASY to
>spray, and I think with modern low vis decals and with
>the odd light, bare metal flakes, di-electric panel co-
>uld be VERY good looking on a B-36.
>
>BTW, I had considered the wrap around lizard scheme, but
>in my mind the B-36 would look like a moldy cucumber with
>wings.
>
>Lemme know what you guys think and I'll consider your op-
>inions with care.
>
Well, since it was designed during WWII, why not go with OD over neutral gray?
Ed
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and I never had the courtesy to thank her for it."
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Mark M
is for a camo version in the European Dk. Green/Lt. Green/Gray
overall scheme as on the A-10.
My other choice is how about Red/White scheme
for a B-36 converted into a firebomber.
Please let us know what you decide.
Mark M
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Scott
Frank Henriquez
snjmo...@aol.com (SnJmodprod) wrote:
You mean, a B-36 fuselage (without wings) dropped from a B-52 (or
another B-36)?
"Say there, Ned, heard that 'nother one of those B-36 Lifting bodies just
augered in!"
"Yup. 50 feet under the desert. They're getting better though - this one
was all of 10 degrees from vertical when it hit."
It would explain why so few B-36s seem to have survived the 50's...
TomGAJ
Huh?
True the "official" SIOP pattern was three greens (34079, 34159, and 34201)
over gloss white, however:
The B-52D SEA pattern was the same SAC SIOP greens over gloss black. The
pattern continued in use until we retired the Ds in the '80s.
At least one SIOP camouflaged B-52G had the undersurfaces, fuselage sides and
tail overpainted gloss black.
The TO 1-1-4 B-58 SEA pattern ( the one you are using on your new decal sheet)
would have also used the same SAC SIOP colors over gloss black.
SnJmodprod
My dad flew B-36s and always said he would retire when they started painting
the wings on. How about the High speed B-36 with the F-104 type wings on it?
You never saw one because they were that fast!
Scott
Dana J Nield
Serious Reply: All White as in the early RAF V-Force paint Scheme.
Not so Serious Reply: Thunderbirds scheme.
Cheers!
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>How about an all black B-36? Call it a special night pathfinder a-la
>Vickers Valiant. Or call it a special recon paint job. Use red
>lettering like the early B-57 Canberras on a gloss black paint job.
>Bear in mind that the use of an all black B-36 would not include N-
>weapons though(no anti-flash undersides)so a night recon or elint
>version version would seem realistic. Elint birds would be festooned
>with all kind of antennae or perhaps a special radome somewhere on the
>fuselage. Just my opinion. Cool thought though.
Okay, If someone suggests a group build, I'm in. LOL I can see the
tables in Chicago now!
Sirius
and
> speed would not be such a critical issue for dashing over the
target.
> Add a forest of ESM/ECM antennas, some addtional bulges and bumps,
and
> mount a search light under the wing and you would have a very
> impressive looking alternative history B-36.
The later P2V Neptunes had jet pods. The idea was to dash to the
patrol area, not to patrol that area at higher speeds, so the B-36
could keep its jets.
Jeff
Sirius
neutral gray?
Or the prewar blue and yellow? (Don't nobody say "B-10".)
Jeff
Maiesm72
For the PB-36 something about the size of a tugboat should do the job. :-)
Tom
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How about an low altitide "Viggen" scheme?
Jens Lindell
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René van der Hart
the NASA logo on the tail?
René.
James D. Young II
>Think I would like to see the LB-36 used in the early 60s Lifting Body trials.
>Scott
Early in the program. there was some consideration given to using a
B-36 as the launch vehicle for the X-15. It would have been mounted
in the bomb bays a'la the X-1/2.
James
Kurt Plummer
None of these are appropriate because most of th colors or
their ANA equivalents were not USA(A)F standard at the time.
Also, pretending that the B-36 had a role after the U-2 was
shot down is silly. And that's basically what the modern
schemes you describe imply.
For a high altitude aircraft, every pound (and it would
likely be closer to a ton or two) of surface coating is a
foot less ceiling of absolute performance.
Pick 'B-17 OD (34031+34087)' with 'Glacier Blue White
(35622)' Splinter and 'Azure Med Blue' for a WWII Reich
Buster. Put tractor tread landing gear on and give it a 48th
scale B-24 tail and twin, single-barrel, 37mm, nose turrets.
Stick an XP-77 (no GB= no jets) parasite or two on a trapeze
in the aft bomb bay and start buying up the worlds collection
of True Details 500-1,000lb bombs (actually, only about 8 of
the latter for an Iceland radius, maybe as few as four for a
Labrador or Maine round trip).
Black is traditionally the worst possible color for high
altitude flight because it soaks heat unevenly, wears to a
very draggy matte, 'iron ball', fairly quickly, and quite
simply increases the 'airplane shaped hole in the sky'
distance at which the aircraft can be acquired against the
literally glowing terminator or the bright-cloud undertones.
Very Rich yet pastel, PRU type, blues and purples are better
and you could pretend that that Arado E.555 was a threat to
Iceland and so the Big Sticks had to be rolled off into a
huge dispersals area and put under Hollywood Spread camo
netting for the white-green topside to be 'efffective'.
Otherwise go NM tops or 'ACor Grey' (=roughly 36270) ala the
later Starfighters etc. because Air to Air 'Look Down'
conditioning sure as heck wouldn't matter to 99.99% of the
extant fighters of that time, jets included. Ta-283 or
Lippisch L.10 ramjets with supersonic cutoff turns and AI
cued rockets would be about your only hope.
Kurt Plummer
P.S. One other thought... If Boeing had 'tanked' on the 707
there might have been a need for a fairly efficient
_turboprop_, high altitude, refueler replacement for the slow
KC-97 or even ASW hunter for an early 60's type '350mph
blimp' in guarding the SLOCs or as SIOP tanking for BUFF's
over-pole. Either of which would let you do the P-3 or
Original KC schemes of white over grey. Doesn't get much
simpler than that but that wing design is going to be pretty
draggy and the maintenance (and the amount of modification)
of the bomber airframe for a utility followon would be
stupendous.
Crapologist
Me personally, I'm doing mine in German five color lozenge!
8^)
Keeper (of too much crap)
RMBell
Now that's going a little too far. I prefer Desert Storm markings with a whole
bunch of Mavericks hanging from pylons under the wings!
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Doug Marrel
Tiger meet scheme! Can you imagine how long a tiger you coould get on
that sucker!
Doug
Carlos R Gomez
I can't remember the last time I read EVERY last post
to a particular thread but this one did it.
It's good to know that there are LOTS of modelers out there that
are into the "what if" stuff.
I think this kind of thing is what keeps the hobby fun.
I think everyone should crank out a totally fictitious work
at least once in their modeling career.
It would prolly keep AMS at bay and keep the hobby enjoyable.
I like the suggestion someone made about a rock band scheme on the '36.
It reminded me of the gaudy formation ships of WW2 (like Shep's B-24).
Imagine a B-36 painted up in some of those colors?!!! Aack!!!
Carlos
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James D. Young II wrote in message
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I saw in an ancient Popular Mechanics a picture of a B-36 with the
prototype
B-58 Hustler underneath it (minus engines and tail fin) being transported
to a base for flight testing.
Jeff Wilson
(probably November or December 2000) has a nice article on the B-36. Some
good pics of the prototypes and exotics, including one of the Hustler
transporter.
Jeff
The BOFH
nose, and the green/green/black with black undersurfaces and mine
dispensers in the bombbays, and all the IR gear. The b-36 could endure for
a very long time over the ho-chi-min trail, dropping mines, pahamplets,
etc in that role. I mean, in teh vietnam war they used some airplanes in
roles never imagined for the type.
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Kurt Plummer
AC-36. The problem here is you pay gas by the 1,000lb for every 1,000ft drop
in cruise height and added high revolution performance and added to this, the
only way the B-36 would be /safe/ over the HCM 'Highway' is if you put it
right back up where the air was clear at say 20-30K minimum.
A minigun isn't much good above 5-6K, a Vulcan goes to about a 9 and a GAU-12
(unavailable at that time) up to maybe 12. A 75mm is worth perhaps 15-18K,
depending on how far out on the wheel slant you are and what your sensors
objectives can refine for aimpoints.
NONE of these weapons would be sufficiently long ranged to outdistance the
monumental clatter of the beast and so you would be taking aimed if not
directed AAA /all the damn time/.
Blind Bat and similar missions with C-130 and flares or Igloo would be
possible but loiter wouldn't be all that impressive, IMO, because the bases in
Thailand would quite likely be too short and the trip over from Guam or Alaska
would burn you up just as bad if not worse (JStream) than the BUFF suffered.
The best beast for that mission was the Slug anyway. Low and Fast and TFR and
IR and a very smart crew.
Lastly, with all the manning volume available to the fore and aft crew spaces
(especially in a converted reccer which is the most likely machine to survive
into Vietnam) you would probably want to do the BatCat collation mission as
well and once you've localized them you 'might as well' bomb the crap out of
the DMPI.
That means yet more weight and IMO people tend to /way/ overestimate the
aircraft's maximum payload:radius as a function of the psychology inherent to
it's total size. In the proposed A version, admittedly with a slew of turrets
and early engines (but no jets to further suck up gas) the maximum payload for
an Iceland-Europe mission was only something like 8,000lbs or roughly the
max-payload weight of a later B-17F/G.
No, if you want to do bad ass black-of-night mission, have respect for the
physics inherent to the Surface To Air Missile and stay in the fifties where
at least the aircraft has /some/ effective roles to play in it's original,
strategic, mission.
Replacing the B-29's in a continued 'Korean Peninsula: 1955' type hypothetical
comes to mind, especially for a trip across the Yaloo. 40-45K and at least 20
knots on the Superfort would be a mean target set for MiG-15's to catch,
especially as it would give the U.S. nightfighter escorts plenty of early (GCI
surveillance radar) launch pickup if not actual climb-thru time in which to
bushwack any GLI response.
Kurt Plummer