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AP Shinton

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Jan 15, 2001, 3:47:25 PM1/15/01
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Want to become an even better modeller?
go to http://www.milipics.com and make a start!


DMeriman

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Jan 17, 2001, 3:09:25 PM1/17/01
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to late.

David D. Merriman, Jr.

r/c submarines, 'the only way to fly!'

"Barns! Cargrave!... Come back here!!!"

TomGAJ

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Jan 17, 2001, 3:21:44 PM1/17/01
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>to late.

It's never "too" late Dave. Eventually you are going to meet someone even you
will have to concede is better than yourself. You probably already have -
you're just not ready to face it yet.

CamaroCrazy3

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Jan 17, 2001, 4:18:51 PM1/17/01
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in order to be the worlds best modeler you simply have to build what you want,
the way you want to, up to your own standards. if you satisfy yourself you are
the worlds best modeler.

Sean Neilan
Peace leads to strength. Strength leads to war. War leads to weakness.
Weakness leads to peace. -anonymous

Modeler of some of the worlds small Air Forces

Rob Gronovius

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Jan 17, 2001, 4:49:09 PM1/17/01
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Build a Starfix Spit 21 for a 3 yr old with spinning prop and rolling gear.
Watch his eyes light up when he blows on the prop to make it spin and flies it
around the house. To him, I am the greatest.

P.S. he'll probably hunt down the kit on ebay in 30+ yrs and pay over $50 for
it.
Rob Gronovius
Major, U.S. Army

DMeriman

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Jan 17, 2001, 5:37:41 PM1/17/01
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Indeed.

His name is Ben Gunther.

DMeriman

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Jan 17, 2001, 5:40:10 PM1/17/01
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>in order to be the worlds best modeler you simply have to build what you
>want,
>the way you want to, up to your own standards. if you satisfy yourself you
>are
>the worlds best modeler.
>

What a sorry piece of rational.

Do you make cooing sounds when someone pats you on the head?

Al Superczynski

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Jan 17, 2001, 6:18:06 PM1/17/01
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On 17 Jan 2001 21:18:51 GMT, camaro...@aol.com (CamaroCrazy3)
wrote:

>...build what you want, the way you want...

That sounds vaguely familiar........... ;-p

Al Superczynski, MFE
IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968
Check out my want and disposal lists at "Al's Place":
http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral
"Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to,
and the critics will flame you every time."

TomGAJ

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Jan 17, 2001, 6:25:26 PM1/17/01
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> he'll probably hunt down the kit on ebay in 30+ yrs and pay over $50 for

I've done that exact thing to myself several times now to get my hands on kits
my Dad did for me or helped me with 49+ years ago.

CamaroCrazy3

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Jan 17, 2001, 6:50:53 PM1/17/01
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knew i'd seen that quote somewhere on RMS =) thanks for the quote!

pale...@home.com

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Jan 17, 2001, 7:13:57 PM1/17/01
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PROBABLY already have?... I would say it has been an ongoing meeting for
him since birth.

Dana

kmfd...@my-deja.com

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Jan 17, 2001, 8:08:15 PM1/17/01
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In article <20010117161851...@ng-md1.aol.com>,

camaro...@aol.com (CamaroCrazy3) wrote:
> in order to be the worlds best modeler you simply have to build what
you want,
> the way you want to, up to your own standards. if you satisfy
yourself you are
> the worlds best modeler.
>

I'd have to agree.. if you are completely happy with your work.. you're
not setting your standards high enough.


Sent via Deja.com
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kmfd...@my-deja.com

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Jan 17, 2001, 8:18:56 PM1/17/01
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Worlds best modeller at what?
to be the best, you would have to do everything.

Classic cars, drag rails, dirt cars, Sportscars, new trucks, old
trucks, junkers, jalopies, Kitty Hawk Aircraft, WWI/II Aircraft, wood
boats, speed boats, jet boats, modern aircraft, submarines, Space
ships, robots, horror figures, dioramas, RC Cars/Boats/Planes, Movie
Props.

need i go on?

you be the best at ALL of those.. and you're the best in the world..
just cuz you can wire a tiny little motor like a motherf@#$r doesn't
make you the best..

besides.. who would want to be the best anyway? you couldn't do
anything ELSE with your life.. what else can you do dave? can you sing?
play basketball? get laid? program a computer? write? higher math? read?

what else can you do?

diversity.. is the spice of life.

Robin Nilsson

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Jan 18, 2001, 2:42:19 AM1/18/01
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DMeriman wrote:

"to late" what? To late to start making an effort ???
;-)
/ Robin

Drewe Manton

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Jan 18, 2001, 9:36:17 AM1/18/01
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in article 3A669E5B...@era.ericsson.se, Robin Nilsson at
Robin....@era.ericsson.se wrote on 18/1/01 7:42 am:

Too late to add the extra "O" onto too is what I think he means. . .
--
Regards
Drewe
"Politicians and nappies should both be changed at regular intervals, and
for exactly the same reason"

Burkhard Domke

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Jan 18, 2001, 10:13:33 AM1/18/01
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On 17 Jan 2001 20:09:25 GMT, dmer...@aol.com (DMeriman) wrote:

>to late.

Yeah, no hope. Good writing ability and social skills are essential.
You're missing both.

Burkhard
RLHDLW

Mike Settle

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Jan 18, 2001, 12:05:46 PM1/18/01
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Al Superczynski wrote:
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> On 17 Jan 2001 21:18:51 GMT, camaro...@aol.com (CamaroCrazy3)
> wrote:
>
> >...build what you want, the way you want...
>
> That sounds vaguely familiar........... ;-p
>


Well, Al, take a bow, wear the crown, you're a positive influence on us
all. :-ž


--
Mike Settle
Rama Lama Watt Da Ell
Temple of Mangled Plastic
Temple Procrastinator of Model Completion

I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm

Robin Nilsson

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Jan 18, 2001, 12:08:34 PM1/18/01
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DMeriman wrote:

What a sorry piece of argumentation
/ Robin

Robin Nilsson

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kmfd...@my-deja.com wrote:

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>
> besides.. who would want to be the best anyway? you couldn't do
> anything ELSE with your life.. what else can you do dave? can you sing?
> play basketball? get laid? program a computer? write? higher math? read?

Manage a sensible discussion with someone who disagrees with ones own
opinions?

Al Superczynski

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Jan 18, 2001, 2:30:15 PM1/18/01
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:05:46 -0500, Mike Settle
<set...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Well, Al, take a bow, wear the crown, you're a positive influence on us
>all.

Even when I respond to political rants? ;-)

AAMRESIN

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Jan 18, 2001, 3:30:16 PM1/18/01
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>Want to become an even better modeller?
>go to http://www.milipics.com and make a start!

AP,

Gee, you sure did start a thread! "World's Best Modeller"? That's a pretty
tough act not only to make, yet alone follow.

Having been a model car nut for more than 48 years, I've seen my share of kits,
and a further heavy helping of model builders and their work. Your link here
is of course, to a commerical site offering CD-Rom's of pics of military
vehicles, restored, which is perhaps the only way most of us would ever get to
reference machines that were purpose-built, then scrapped wholesale
unceremoniously at war's end, or converted to numerous civilian uses soon
thereafter. A such, your reference material should be very welcome to armor
and soft-skin builders all over.

Everyone of us, even Dave Merriman (whom I've never met) builds as we like, to
standards which we set for ourselves, and most of us "move the goalposts" at
least a little bit in just about every project we attempt.

However, none of us has yet reached truly the pinnacle of "The World's Best
Modeler", simply because none of us has been objectively compared (by our work)
one-against-the-other in a single venue.
Even IPMS, carrying "International" in its very name, does not host a truly
international gathering, where truly every top-flight modeler will show, due to
not only the distances involved, but also the often-limiting finances most of
us face. There simply is no pattern of "National IPMS Teams" as exists in
sports with the Olympics for example (would that there was though!). Even if
such did exist, even the competitive judging would be at best, subjective, as
no matter what, model contest judges cannot be expert (no matter what they
might say!) on every model they judge (not even a P-51 nut can possibly cover
the full range of variants in detail, fittings and equipment of even this
relatively standardized aircraft--just keep reading the sheer number of posts
here about the Mustang over the years!).

Scale modeling is at best the creating of the illusion of reality, of accuracy,
of a replica of something much larger in real life.
Very few modelers ever get to a level of replicating such things as scale
material thicknesses, Even Gerald Wingrove, MBE, of your own country, while
arguably building the finest scratchbuilt automotive miniatures ever seen,
cannot do this, as in even the relatively large scale in which he works, the
sheet metal of a real car body shrinks to little more than a heavy metal foil
in scale, hardly the stuff with which to make fenders,doors, etc.

As modelers working in styrene (most of us readers here on RMS are plastic
modelers), we face limitations similar to Wingrove, complicated not only by the
materials we use, but also the even smaller scales in which we work. So, in a
very real way, we all are forced to create that illusion of reality (we call it
realsim?) as we craft the models we build.

Does this all really matter? No, I suppose it actually does not. Modeling is
an art form, IMHO. Artists of all stripes and persuasions take license with
everything they do. The classic Greek statues revered in such places as the
British Museum exhibit anatomic proportions and poses that in no way reflect
actual bodies, but rather an "ideal" human body (Art Appreciation 101 in
college). Photographers such as Ansell Adams and others used their camera's to
create artistic pictures that while certainly beautiful to the beholder, really
do not reflect the realities of the scene, by playing tricks with filters,
lenses, and even developing techniques.
Playwrights and movie screenwriters (sorry, Tom Cleaver!) take varying degrees
of license with truth in order to make a story line and plot that will hold the
audience's interest to the last credit. Even the Parthenon in Athens was
designed and cut in stone with nary a truly straight line, to give the illusion
(to this very day) that every line of the building, its columns and lintels is
absolutely straight, while in fact they are all very lightly curved.

All of this illusion is done to create the impression of perfection, of
reality, of realism.

What does this mean to us? Simply that we modelers set out to create some
semblance of realism, while using artificial materials, and creative yet
arbitrary techniques to give that illusion of real life objects in miniature.
Just as Ansell Adams and other artistic photographers worked to give an
illusion of a perfect look at the world through a camera lens, we do it with
raw materials not indigenious to the prototype, molded kits, photoetched parts,
paints that of necessity are far coarser than scale would dictate, decals that
are far thicker in scale than the actual painted insignia would have been, a
whole host of compromised things just so we can have our fling at creating the
illusion of realism.

Each of us has our own ego as well. However, we all ought to take note of some
sage advice from Benjamin Franklin (not an exact quote, but pretty darn close)

"There are some whose skins are so thin, they had best varnish their hides,
lest their brains leak out out of their pores".

Good advice in the last half of the 18th Century, and I think good advice
still, in the 21st.

Art Anderson

jp5...@my-deja.com

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Jan 18, 2001, 3:40:04 PM1/18/01
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In article <p0he6t0hvrsik4fm8...@4ax.com>,


Al;
Especially when you respons to political rants!

Jonathan Primm
JP5...@aol.com

MODEL HAWK

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Jan 18, 2001, 3:52:35 PM1/18/01
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Uh.......less time on RMS and more time at the workbench? :-)
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Mike Settle

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Jan 18, 2001, 10:08:12 PM1/18/01
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Al Superczynski wrote:
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> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:05:46 -0500, Mike Settle
> <set...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> >Well, Al, take a bow, wear the crown, you're a positive influence on us
> >all.
>
> Even when I respond to political rants? ;-)

Well, you are on the "right" side, after all. And you do respond like a
gentleman. In my opinion that makes a difference.

MANDO VILLARREAL

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Jan 18, 2001, 11:35:49 PM1/18/01
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rationale....

Al Superczynski

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Jan 19, 2001, 12:02:49 AM1/19/01
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:08:12 -0500, Mike Settle
<set...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>...you do respond like a


>gentleman. In my opinion that makes a difference.

Thank you, sir! :)

Al Superczynski, MFE
IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968
Check out my want and disposal lists at "Al's Place":

http://apollo.up-link.net/~modeleral

jerry 47

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Jan 19, 2001, 3:28:04 PM1/19/01
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Practice, practice, practice.
Jerry 47

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CSM Dave

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Buy one now and leave it to him in your will - that should add to its value
csmdave
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