Painting Black people
Cool Jules
it.
I am doing 72nd scale, and just about got it right for white people, but
dont know what to do.
Do i build up to a dark colour, or lighten a darker colour?
I am doing Modern US deck crew and Vietnam US
Thanx
SELtd01
respond!!!!!!!!!!! I only learned to paint cacuasians in art school and all of
my attempts to do any other ethnic group have been rather insulting to that
group.............obviously something no one wants. Also, not just 1/72 scale
but techniques for other scales would be apperciated!!!!!
CharlieH
As you are in the UK why dont you get a tin of Xtracolour flesh (black) That
should be a reasonable base to start from.
Charlie
Cool Jules <julia...@jhales.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
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DMeriman
>it.
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>I am doing 72nd scale, and just about got it right for white people, but
>dont know what to do.
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>Do i build up to a dark colour, or lighten a darker colour?
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>I am doing Modern US deck crew and Vietnam US
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>Thanx
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For mixed Negro's start with Burnt Umber. Blend darker/lighter shades of this
to vary density of this basic dark to light brown skinned Negro. Highlight with
white.
Very dark skinned Negro's: start with black/very very dark gray with some blue.
Blend lighter shades to suit. Highlight with dark gray.
Use oils.
David D. Merriman, Jr.
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Rich.
Amazing. I don't know many other people who can word their
answer to a modeling question in such a way as to be both
informative and inflammatory at the same time. Truly a gift.
Rich.
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Christopher Hughes
If you undercoat with the Xtracolor black, try using dark brown/reddish
brown oil paints on top and gently blend them in. I've tried it on a few
figures and it works for me...
Chris
Drewe Manton
nothing inflammatory in his post. . . . or am I just a person not looking
for hidden meanings 'cos I think political correctness is the language of
cowardice?
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Rich. <richlee...@dc.freei.net.invalid> wrote in message
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EF Hill
respond to?
What I've been using for 1/72 scale 'black' people is a
Pactra color XF-10 Flat Roof Brown in the 1/3 oz. bottles.
In this scale it's about the best thing I've found to
represent this type of skin coloring. Like you I've
spent forever trying to get that coloring right in 1/72
scale and this is the best I can find. Everything else
is either coal black or (as one of my fellow modellers
of color calls it) 'damn near honky tan'.
This color is light enough you can still see a black
painted mustache, and dark enough (with JUST enough
red tinge) to look real. I have _NO_ idea if it's av-
ailable in the UK, and I have even LESS idea where to
get it in the US. I have about three bottles that I got
at a hobby shop that was holding a clearance on Pactra
paints seven years ago.
And unfortunately, I'm not giving up ANY of them until
I find another source... :(
Hope this helps!
*********************************************************
Andy Hill (the Draken)
"I used to care, but things have changed." -Bob Dylan
Denebrian Slime Devil
In small scales like that I use Testors Rubber. Lighten with tan for
highlighting.
Works great in small scales.
HTH
David Campbell
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Cool Jules
Thanks!
CharlieH wrote in message <39351701$0$2...@helios.is.co.za>...
>Julian
>As you are in the UK why dont you get a tin of Xtracolour flesh (black)
That
>should be a reasonable base to start from.
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>Charlie
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>Cool Jules <julia...@jhales.swinternet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Cool Jules
now i can tr what you suggersted.
Thanks!
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Cool Jules
DMeriman wrote in message <20000531095553...@ng-fj1.aol.com>...
>>I have to paint some figuers of black/brown people and dont know how t do
>>it.
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>>I am doing 72nd scale, and just about got it right for white people, but
>>dont know what to do.
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>>Do i build up to a dark colour, or lighten a darker colour?
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>>I am doing Modern US deck crew and Vietnam US
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>>Thanx
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Stefan Banaszak
My favourite choice, too. I wish I had several more bottles to last me
a long time. Pactra's disappearance caught me flat in several
instances. I used to use a lot of Hot Rod Primer for tires and all
kinds of 'dark' matters (engines, machine guns, etc.).
Bill Banaszak, MFE
David Fleming
<dr...@manton300.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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>Currently listening to:- Iron Maiden, Brave New World (Oh Yesssss!!!! The
>boys are back!)
>
Worth Buying indeed ! Now, if only they would do a proper UK tour.
David
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Birgit & Burkhard Domke
<richlee...@dc.freei.net.invalid> wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Amazing. I don't know many other people who can word their
>answer to a modeling question in such a way as to be both
>informative and inflammatory at the same time. Truly a gift.
Who's being inflammatory?
Burkhard
Rama Lama Hoop da la Wee
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Berlin, Germany
Mark Levine
use Polly Scale's railroad water base paint. That's getting hard to find
too, but probably easier to get than Pactra.
In small scales I think it's more important to get a color that looks
right rather than one which actually is right, if that makes any sense.
For instance, I think Caucasian flesh in 1/72 needs to be a bit more ruddy
than in real life, and African flesh a bit more brown than in real life.
After laying down a base coat I usually lay on a wash of brownish red for
Caucasians or a brownish black for Africans. Just my $.02.
Mark
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Stefan Banaszak
I'm guessing that the person is referring to the use of 'Negro'. PC
usage now mandates the use of African-American.
Bill Banaszak, MFE, Mongrel-American
Cool Jules
EF Hill wrote in message <8h476r$qtg$1...@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>...
>Dangit Julian! Why do I keep finding posts of yours to
>respond to?
Cos your sad and should get out more!! ;-)
Using Hubrol 186, a brown colour, and next step is to add
lighter or darker colours and will see how this turns out, and add a darker
colour over for darker skin
Al Superczynski
<jjst...@primenet.com> wrote:
>Al Superczynski wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:32:06 -0400, Stefan Banaszak
>> <tec...@redrose.net> wrote:
>>
>> >PC usage now mandates the use of African-American.
>>
>> I've often wondered how blacks that *aren't* of African origin
>> feel about that......
>
>Or that aren't American.
Why in the world would a non-American ever be referred to as an
"African-American"? My point was merely that not all black Americans
are of African origin. Something's getting lost in the translation
here.....
Al Superczynski, MFE
IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968
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and the critics will flame you every time."
Al Superczynski
<locutus@<<DONTSPAMME>>thegrid.net> wrote:
>Just who said they were American?
As a matter of fact, either tec...@redrose.net or someone he was
quoting did.....
>...you liberals...
You obviously haven't been around this NG very long if you think
Bill Banaszak and I are liberals, David! ROFLMAO!
You also seem to have missed the "<definitely NOT politically
correct>" bit that I added to my sig line in that posting....
DMeriman
None of the blacks I know have been to Africa nor hold any citizenship of an
African country.
The universal moniker of 'African-American' is a total bullshit PC term. I
refuse to use it.
In my times the accepted term has been Negro, then colored, then black. Now we
have this touchy-feely term I refuse to use. So, when I'm in a position where I
have to define a person or group as to racial type, I use the term 'black' or
'Negro,' if the group/person in question is 'of color,' thank you very much.
The sooner the minority of responsibility shirking blacks in this country stop
looking to the so-called 'black leadership' to lead them around by the nose,
the sooner these sorry whiners will get on board with the program. I invite
those who have a crushing need to hold 'Mother Africa' as the icon of their
racial purity and nobility to jump on the first plane out of here. Not willing
to do that, I invite said blacks to stop blaming everthing on 'the man,' and to
become productive, proud members of this society. Adoption of the term
African-American has been one big roadblock from achieving the goal of racial
harmony.
American blacks ain't African's. Their American's, God Dammit!>Al Superczynski
wrote:
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>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:32:06 -0400, Stefan Banaszak
>> <tec...@redrose.net> wrote:
>>
>> >PC usage now mandates the use of African-American.
>>
>> I've often wondered how blacks that *aren't* of African origin
>> feel about that......
>
>Or that aren't American.
>
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Jo Martin
<mode...@up-link.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:49:20 -0700, Joe Jefferson
><jjst...@primenet.com> wrote:
>
>>Al Superczynski wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:32:06 -0400, Stefan Banaszak
>>> <tec...@redrose.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >PC usage now mandates the use of African-American.
>>>
>>> I've often wondered how blacks that *aren't* of African origin
>>> feel about that......
>>
>>Or that aren't American.
>
> Why in the world would a non-American ever be referred to as an
>"African-American"? My point was merely that not all black Americans
>are of African origin. Something's getting lost in the translation
>here.....
>
Al, I apologise in advance if you think I'm being personal, because
I'm not - but are you described as Polish-American or Czech-American?
Taking things to their ridicoulous extreme, I'm a Swiss-French-
Irish-English New Zealander. And that's only going back two
generations.
I feel like a minority already....
Jo
Rich.
If you re-read my post, I said that Davids' use of words was
inflammatory. It was. I didn't say that he should use any
specific term, including the term 'Aferican-American'. I don't
personally care for that term myself because of all of the
reasons you folks have already mentioned.
As far as being liberal or PC, I'm neither. In fact, I find it
a great insult to be called a liberal. I do, however, try to
choose my words carefully when speaking to a large group, and I
try to avoid words that I know could be offensive or
inflammatory to some in the audiance. Dave, on the other hand,
always seems to try to offend.
Rich.
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Al Superczynski
>...are you described as Polish-American or Czech-American?
Actually, I'm usually described as "fat". ;)
I was born in (then) West Germany - my mother is German and my father
was second-generation Polish.
Poles use "ski" in the surname; Czechs use "sky". More than you
ever wanted to know, I'm sure....
Cool Jules
something this time........apologies all
Ron Smith wrote in message <39371FAC...@dalhraidia.org>...
>The folks I know aren't exactly fond of it.......
>
>Al Superczynski wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:32:06 -0400, Stefan Banaszak
>> <tec...@redrose.net> wrote:
>>
>> >PC usage now mandates the use of African-American.
>>
>> I've often wondered how blacks that *aren't* of African origin
>> feel about that......
>>
>> Al Superczynski, MFE
>> <definitely NOT politically correct>
JP5844
What do you call white people of European descent who happen to have been born
in Africa? European-Africans?, How about black people born in Africa?
African-Africans? Or people of Asian descent who were born in Europe?
Asian-Europeans? (I'm not talking about Eurasians, which is a mix).
Just paint everyone kind of light brown, don't stick any hyphenated labels on
them and you can't go wrong!
Jonathan Primm
JP5...@aol.com
DMeriman
See what you did!
Cool Jules
stated you made racist remarks, or at least derogatory comments.
BTW done a few 72nd black figures and they look ok, which i guess is the
main thing
DMeriman wrote in message <20000602162912...@ng-ba1.aol.com>...
saskpaint
"Cool Jules" <julia...@jhales.swinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> Well for a change you offerd me good advice, and i still cant see how
people
> stated you made racist remarks, or at least derogatory comments.
>
> BTW done a few 72nd black figures and they look ok, which i guess is
the
> main thing
got an answer--so forgive me if this answer is redundant. Anyway,
trymixing a combination of Burnt Umber with regular flesh tone. varying
the amounts will change the skin tone. Use pure burnt umber for the
shadows and add more flesh tone, or a combination of white with a
little Naples Yellow for the highlights.
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Before you buy.
Stefan Banaszak
wrote:
> choose my words carefully when speaking to a large group, and I
> try to avoid words that I know could be offensive or
> inflammatory to some in the audiance. Dave, on the other hand,
> always seems to try to offend.
I would agree with your last sentence but I still don't understand what
you found offensive about his post other than the word "Negro"?
I'll admit I'm not subtle so you may have to specifically point out the
transgression here.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
Cool Jules
saskpaint wrote in message <8hcmhv$ii8$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Cool Jules
made of metal and a black guy, aparantly called a Nigger box all those years
ago, i guess thats racist now
Stefan Banaszak wrote in message <3939E...@redrose.net>...
gly...@my-deja.com
perspective. In general, terms such as "Negro", "Colored", and even "Nigger"
were given to "Black" people by others and they were usually used in a
negative or condescending connotation. However, the term "African-American"
was coined by "Black" people to indicate a pride in or at least a belonging
to something that would indicate some kind of oneness. It is no more or no
less a term to be concerned with than "Italian-American", "Polish-American",
"Cuban-American", etc are. No matter how hard we try, people will always try
to associate themselves with something they can be a part of.
We "Black" people come in many shades and hues, from the blackest Sudanese to
albinos, and everything in between. You can paint any shade you want. I have
faced prejudice from both without and within my "community". I don't like
people who call themselves "African-American" ( which Africans laugh at) but
can't name three countries in Africa. I like to be called "Glynn" and we can
go from there. I cannot nor would not try to escape the fact that I am
"Black".
To some people, I'm not "Black" enough. To others, I am too "Black".
Culturally, if I were one to use labels, I would be a
"Black-Cherokee-Creek-Irish-German-Jewish-American". It neither makes me
anymore or any less than the next person. To walk around with a label is
ridiculous. When people (black and white) see my kids in the store with my
wife they ask are they "mixed" because of their curly hair and light tan
features. How ignorant! I just tell them yes, their mother is "Black" and I
am a Klingon! "Mixed", like with dogs or some inter-stellar thing?!!! We
are all just HUMANS, lets try to live up to that standard. Hopefully, with
globalization we can start to eliminate some of these nationalistic terms
too!
We are who we are. Lets get over it and build models!
Glynn "Wardog" Jacobs (Just call me Glynn!) Fly Navy AIR, Its faster than Any
submarine! (Don't belive what a bubble-head says! :-) )
cco...@us.hsanet.net
>snip<
>We are who we are. Lets get over it and build models!
>snip<
>
AMEN!!
Chuck C.
Shane Weier
gly...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8heqi0$ah$1...@nnrp2.deja.com>...
(snip, a great deal of common sense)
>We are who we are. Lets get over it and build models!
FWIW you're welcome at my club (or in my home) whatever colour or pattern
your topcoat is - so long as you have an attitude similar to this
Shane
Bck2DFtr
Shane Weier
Bck2DFtr wrote in message <20000604215507...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>Gheesh...has anyone helped this guy with his question yet?
Yeah, right back at the start.....
Shane
Shane Weier
Al Superczynski wrote in message ...
>On Fri, 02 Jun 2000 07:16:42 GMT, j...@ihug.co.nz (Jo Martin) wrote:
>
>>...are you described as Polish-American or Czech-American?
>
> Actually, I'm usually described as "fat". ;)
My *brother* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shane
Mike
>
> I am a Klingon!
Oh no, not another I AM parody!;1
--
Mike Dougherty
Hunting polar bears in
Toronto, Ont.
Canada
DMeriman
>
RMS PC police. What absolute nonsense!
Black people are black, white people are white -- get used to it.
Cool Jules
didnt want to offend them(and you) but couldnt think of a better way of
putting it, and luckily no black people have said anything bad, and as it
turns out, my 72nd painted 'black' figures, look a damn sight more realistic
then the 'white' people......
gly...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8heqi0$ah$1...@nnrp2.deja.com>...
>We are who we are. Lets get over it and build models!
>
>
Mike
>
> my 72nd painted 'black' figures, look a damn sight more realistic
> then the 'white' people......
>
Or in my case, 'pink' people.
Albatrosdv
Actually, Mr. Orca, the black ones are various shades of brown and the white
ones are various shades of pinkish/brownish shades. Sheesh! You call yourself
a serious modeler and you can't even call off the FS numbers for the faces of
your submarine captains??
Tom Cleaver
TomW
wrote:
<<snipped for brevity>>
>features. How ignorant! I just tell them yes, their mother
is "Black" and I
>am a Klingon! "Mixed", like with dogs or some inter-stellar
thing?!!! We
>are all just HUMANS, lets try to live up to that standard.
Hopefully, with
>globalization we can start to eliminate some of these
nationalistic terms
>too!
have their heads ironed. Damn furriner aliens. );o>
>
>We are who we are. Lets get over it and build models!
>
>
>Glynn "Wardog" Jacobs (Just call me Glynn!) Fly Navy AIR, Its
faster than Any
>submarine! (Don't belive what a bubble-head says! :-) )
>
TomW
Cool Jules
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Peter Lubke
Mike <gre...@lunaticfringe.org> wrote in message
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> Cool Jules wrote:
> >
> > my 72nd painted 'black' figures, look a damn sight more realistic
> > then the 'white' people......
> >
>
> Or in my case, 'pink' people.
>
survival trait would have encouraged it? -- and it clashes with almost every
camoflage scheme
gly...@swbell.net
> FWIW you're welcome at my club (or in my home) whatever colour or
pattern
> your topcoat is - so long as you have an attitude similar to this
>
> Shane
Thanks Shane, I do appreciate that and vice-versa!
Oops, I forgot to put my French ancestors in my hyphenated name. How
else would I explain this South Louisiana-cooking filled gut I'm
wearing? :^).
By the way, for the chap who asked, the name is pronounced the same as
'Glen' is.
Also guys, I don't think its as much a matter of Political Correctness
as it is a matter of Polite Consideration. Things change in our
universe. The only time they don't is when we're DEAD!
Sorry for the previous rant, Happy Modeling all!
Glynn "Wardog" Jacobs
Fly NAVY!