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kep

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Jun 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/12/97
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Here is a new thread for all you out there...

Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...


for me a Cruise ship model.

Brent

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I am going to put a gloss coat on my Tropical FW-190F8 tonight. Still
polishing the plastic on my B-24 for metalizer (sheesh!)

Brent
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Nick Kiriokos

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Well, some sanding dust, sandpaper, knives, tweezers, books, plastic sheets, styrene fiddly
bits, empty glass, etc.

Nick

Dale M. Koster

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Jun 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/12/97
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Well, for the moment, a section from last year's New York Times, half a
tube of glue, some paint stains (or is it a Rorsach test?) and an Oreo.

jay...@ktb.net

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kep wrote:
>
> Here is a new thread for all you out there...
>
> Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...
>
> for me a Cruise ship model.

Uh, a couple of things actually...

One is an old SF3D Power Armor suit called the Heinrich. The other is a
brand new Werewolf bust from Spectral Motion. The power suit is built
and primered but not painted, the werewolf is partially painted.

- Jay Adan

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Barton S. Brown

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Jun 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/13/97
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That's the funniest (and most true!) thing I've seen in this ng -- good
one, Nick!

Bart

OXMORON1

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Jun 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/13/97
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Just moved, broke down and bought a new work bench ( well, lumber and
hardware).

It is currently clear, clean, no glue or paint spills, no burns, no
sketches, nothing, nada!

First time this has happened in years, probably won't happen again in a
year or two!

Also removed carpet from work area, no styrene sucking monsters here.
Didn't bring the dog or cat on this move, no excuses there.

Hung four lights above to sides and rear, no excuses there.

Have plenty of stock (kits, paint, parts, reference books, etc.).

Lord, what have I done? Taken away all my reasons for not getting anything
done....Damn, I'm going to have to build something...Watch out people the
end must be near..

Rick

James Bates

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Hobbycraft 1/48 Sea Fury -- to be done as an RCN aircraft with
Aeromaster decals.

ProModeler 1/72 Spitife VB -- will be finished as a Eagle Squadron
aircraft.

These are my first two attempts to built kits as an adult-- though I
spent the last few years working on the real things. Hopefully, they
will turn out better than all those kits I built as a kid.

Soon on the Bench:

Either Hobbycraft MiG-17 (to be done as the MAPS MiG-17) or Tamiya
MiG-15.

Jim Bates
MAPS Air Museum
Akron-Canton, Ohio
http://www.anglefire.com/oh/mapsairmuseum

Nick Kiriokos

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I've added to it since then. Tamiya FW-190F-8 in various subsections awaiting assembly, another book, oddly enough on a subject I ha=
ve no kit for, the F6F Hellcat, and an ashtray.

Rama Lama Shoop Shoop Salaa (artist formerly known as Nick)

Randy J. Ray

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Jun 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/13/97
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CMK 35(t) in the last stages of weathering (the stowage, dirt/dust on wheels)
Tamiya V-1 awaiting oil wash
Hasegawa SBD-3 (1/72) Dauntless weathered and all, awaiting landing gear
Groundword for my Italeri 1/72 Bf 109F-2 (fragile gear so I'm fixing it down)
Hasegawa 1/48 F6F-3, renewed interest after it sat untouched for a year or more
Togo 1/72 SU-100

Residue of Duro Putty (for groundwork)
About 25 different paint bottles, 20 of which could/should be put up
Several dull knife blades that hould be thrown out
9 Flex-I-Pad sanding sticks, 3 of which are worn paper-smooth and should go
A roll of Parafilm-M, turned on its side so that I can use the center hole to
hold 4-5 brushes, thus guaranteeing that when I actually need Parafilm-M,
I'll spend 10 minutes looking everywhere except directly in front of me.
And, enough miscellaneous disembodied figurine parts such that Frankenstein
jokes are no longer considered funny in the home.

Randy
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John Julian

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Jun 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/13/97
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Dale M. Koster wrote:
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> kep wrote:
> >
> > Here is a new thread for all you out there...
> >
> > Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...
> >
> > for me a Cruise ship model.
> Well, for the moment, a section from last year's New York Times, half a
> tube of glue, some paint stains (or is it a Rorsach test?) and an Oreo.

What scale oreo?

--
JP Julian jj...@telxon.com
"Everyone needs a quiet place; A place for the soul to rest.
A place for soothing of life's hurts; A place when life's waves crest."

Crossords

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Jun 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/14/97
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MIKE AND LAURIE WEST

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Jun 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/14/97
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In <EBq5...@news.dfrc.nasa.gov> Nick Kiriokos


This sounds like my.... HEY!!! You mean there is a desk under
all this stuff???

Shaboom

Mike

Vernon Clark

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Jun 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/14/97
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Several things are on the workbench (big suprise!)

1. 1/48th Scale F-16 -- I'm doing a training video for work (Colorado
Air National Guard) and the high-tech computer animations fell through.
So I have to do a shot the old-fashioned way... It's nice to do a model
at work and since I'm modelling one of our jets, I can always say "Gee,
I don't know how to do this... Let's take a look at 370!"

2. USS Enterprise from Star Trek: TOS -- I was trying to finish this
one for a model show and the paint job self-destructed (re: resin and
Easy-Off)

3. USS Enterprise from Star Trek VI -- This is the electric Enterprise
that comes with the lights and sounds. I'm adding the Lunar Models
accurizing kits and Lightsheet. Been working on this one since '93 and
am wondering if it will *EVER* be fininshed...

4. Add about a dozen other models in various levels of construction and
you have my workbench...

Vern

Casey Armstrong

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Jun 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/14/97
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Hey Sarge!
Is that a piece of German armor I don't know about? Tell me what it is and
I'll add it to the list.

--
Casey Armstrong IPMS 4161
cj...@airmail.net
North Central Texas IPMS Chapter
"The First of the Best"
Garland, Texas

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Jeffery S. Harrison

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Don't bother polishing the B-24. You can get the same result by first
painting the entire model in a Gloss gray or white or even cleat finish. In
fact, if you used any putty to fill seams then you want to use the gloss
coat because polishing won't fill the pore in the putty. The putty will be
as smooth as the plastic but when you spray the metalizer over it you will
see exactly where the putty is. If you want a highly polished finish (like
a Thunderbird airplane) then use gloss white but if you are going more for
a 'used, been fighting since Pearl Harbor (harbour to some)' look then use
a gloss gray. The gloss finish has the effect of giving you nice even
surface for the metalizer as well as filling in minor surface
imperfections--plus it takes about 1/10th the time of polishing.

Jeff

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Dale M. Koster

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Jun 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/14/97
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John Julian wrote:
>
> Dale M. Koster wrote:
> >
> > kep wrote:
> > >
> > > Here is a new thread for all you out there...
> > >
> > > Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...
> > >
> > > for me a Cruise ship model.
> > Well, for the moment, a section from last year's New York Times, half a
> > tube of glue, some paint stains (or is it a Rorsach test?) and an Oreo.
>
> What scale oreo?

1:1... er, there's a bite out of it..maybe .5:1?
Got Milk?!?!

Jeffery S. Harrison

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Jun 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/14/97
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A Thud. 1/72nd F-105B to be painted in the Bicentennial scheme used by the
New Jersey (that's spelled JERSY if you believe MicroScale) Air National
Guard. Soon to be followed by a Hasegawa B-17F with ACCURATE weathering
(unlike all those artist illustrations out there showing exhaust stains
coming out of all the vents on the wing behind each engine).

Jeff

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Mike Settle

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Jun 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/15/97
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kep wrote:
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> Here is a new thread for all you out there...
>
> Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...
>
> for me a Cruise ship model.


Junk. Lots of junk. A lot of paint bottles and tools. Plastic shavings
and sanding residue. Food and drink stains from eating at the work desk,
staring at models, trying to decide what to do next. And too many
unfinished models.

Mike Settle
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(Our problems are mostly behind us. What we have to do now is fight the
solutions. --Anon. )

Casey Armstrong

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Jun 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/15/97
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Uh, Mike,
I didn't see in your list, Fingertips and/or Band-Aids. Was this an
oversight, or would you not care to talk about it?
Casey (Of the soft blue eyes...and 21 DARK blue coffee Mugs)

Kevin Carroll

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Jun 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/15/97
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Crossords wrote:
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Sarge:

If this your new web page url, you forgot that www. thing.

Hope this helps, AFAIK, btw.

Thanking you in advance,
KC2

Art Murray

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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Still:

1/48 Monogram HE 111. Painting it now. Used some Eduard PE pieces.

1/48 Hobby Craft F-94B. If you have a chance to buy this kit cheap, but
the directions are missing, you've come out ahead.

1/72 Hasegawa B5N1. My first Hase 1/72 kit. Interesting contrast to the
Fujimi 1/72 IJN single-engine a/c kits. Hase kit has more detailed
interior but a so-so fit. Fujimi kits fit perfectly but have little or
no cockpit detail.

1/72 PM of Turkey Ta 154 Moskito. Just got it this weekend for the
outrageous price of $5 full retail. An intriguing kit. Excellent wheel
and strut detail; no interior detail; fit is so-so except for wing which
requires work. I'd like to see a master of 1/72 kits detail this. Might
be an interesting result.

Art


Mark Schynert

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1. Formaplane IK-3: All the major bits are together, and I'm filling in
the trenches. CA, Dr. Microtools, Green Stuff--I'm using all of it. '70s
vacs are not for the faint of heart. Got some really cool decals from Av
Usk, so no obstacles except my own skill remain.

2. Karo-As Fw 187 (1/72): Fuselage, wing center section and starboard
engine nacelle all unified and de-gapped. The port nacelle is next.

3. Frog Bf 109F-6/U (1/72): I=BCm more interested in 1. and 2. right now,
but when they both stall out for drying time, I work on this one. No
interior apart from a seat, and I probably won't bother. All the major
components together and de-gapped.

4. Airfix Bristol Bulldog II (1/72): Have to paint the engine before I
go any further. Wings and fuselage together and de-gapped, but I haven't
mounted the top wing yet. Blue Rider Estonian markings for this one.

5. Huma Me 263A (1/72): A pretty kit, though I'm having nothing but
trouble with it. The latest problem are landing gear woes; even CA
doesn't seem to hold. The way this stinker is set up, you have to build
the landing gear before you even join the fuselage halves, which means
the legs are subject to breakage all during assembly. Took me forever to
get rid of the seams, especially in the wing area. And I lost the DF
loop for about a month--who says the monster under the bench never gives
anything back. I will be very pleased to get this one off my bench, but
since the paint job is a mottle, it's still going to be there a while.

I've got lots of candidates to replace this bunch as they clear (about
the end of July, I think). Some of them:

1/32 Monogram F3F-3
1/72 Mach II Do 26
1/72 Formaplane IAR-80
1/72 Matchbox Lysander in SEAC markings
1/72 Av Usk Myrsky II
1/72 Hasegawa Ki.84
1/72 Hasegawa+conversion kit M=96rk=96 Moranni

The first and the second will occupy the whole bench by themselves,
while the other five would all be a group. An-ti-ci-pa-tion!

Mark Schynert

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Midori Sellers and Tim Brisko

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Putting on the finishing touches on a 1/24 ATM-09ST commander custom Votoms
model(Sci-fi Anime) from Kotobukiya, beautiful kit! Now I have been
concentrating on removing some nasty mold lines on the Fuchikoma tank from
Ghost In the Shell. It was released by Alpha, and unfortunately the cast
was on the messy side so I'm spending lots of time doing clean up on the
resin.

Just wanted to contribute,

Tim Brisko

PNMoss

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Hasegawa 1:48 P-51D in final stages of decaling; I'm doing it as American
Beauty -- lots of stripes!

Tamiya 1:48 Spitfire I ready for landing gear.

Richard Marmo

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Before I can answer the question, it's necessary to determine which layer
you're interested in. After 35 years of using the same bench, it's begun
to more closely resemble an archaeological dig! In fact, it's now reached
the point that most of my modelbuilding is either done while balancing
everything on my lap or resorting to using my secondary bench....in other
words, any flat area of my computer, printer or monitor that clamps,
paint bottles, glue, sub-assemblies of whatever model's in the works at
the time or anything else I need to sit down won't fall off of!!!! And
they say computers are delicate little things that absolutely MUST be
located in a clean, dust free environment!!!!!!!!

If I had a clean, neat, organized shop, I wouldn't know what to do with
myself. Organized chaos....it's wonderful!


Richard Marmo, IPMS/USA #2


David Hathaway

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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Heller 1:72 Santa Maria - still rigging it and likely to start again as
the main mast is sloping too much - not enough tension in the forestay.

Airfix 1:168 HMS Prince (1670) - Painting the first coat on everything.
Am I glad they re-issued this.

Airfix 1:160 Sovereign of the Seas (1638) - Still unstarted and
regularly fondled.

Revell 1:48? Yacht America - still working out how to detail this enough
to do the thing justice (the hull is 18" long without the bowsprit!)

David Hathaway
David.H...@Smallworld.co.uk - All opinions MINE, dammit.

BatlWagon

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Last night I started putting the cockpit details in my Falcon 1/48
Spitfire Mk 24. I am using the Eduard Mk XIV cockpit set, with some
modifications. Looking good so far.

Cherio!


"The system is designed perfectly to give you the results that you are getting."

Semper Fi!

Rick

Richard Marmo

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I don't know how ....test got attached to the Re:What's on Your Workbench
thread. At any rate, that particular post was supposed to be a comment
and not a test. So, for those of you who didn't check the first post
because of the ...test suffix, here it is again.Richard Marmo

Hartwig Roshel

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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Mark Schynert wrote:
>
> 1. Formaplane IK-3: All the major bits are together, and I'm filling in
> the trenches. CA, Dr. Microtools, Green Stuff--I'm using all of it. '70s
> vacs are not for the faint of heart. Got some really cool decals from Av
> Usk, so no obstacles except my own skill remain.
>
> 2. Karo-As Fw 187 (1/72): Fuselage, wing center section and starboard
> engine nacelle all unified and de-gapped. The port nacelle is next.
>
> 3. Frog Bf 109F-6/U (1/72): IĽm more interested in 1. and 2. right now,

> but when they both stall out for drying time, I work on this one. No
> interior apart from a seat, and I probably won't bother. All the major
> components together and de-gapped.
>
> 4. Airfix Bristol Bulldog II (1/72): Have to paint the engine before I
> go any further. Wings and fuselage together and de-gapped, but I haven't
> mounted the top wing yet. Blue Rider Estonian markings for this one.
>
> 5. Huma Me 263A (1/72): A pretty kit, though I'm having nothing but
> trouble with it. The latest problem are landing gear woes; even CA
> doesn't seem to hold. The way this stinker is set up, you have to build
> the landing gear before you even join the fuselage halves, which means
> the legs are subject to breakage all during assembly. Took me forever to
> get rid of the seams, especially in the wing area. And I lost the DF
> loop for about a month--who says the monster under the bench never gives
> anything back. I will be very pleased to get this one off my bench, but
> since the paint job is a mottle, it's still going to be there a while.
>
> I've got lots of candidates to replace this bunch as they clear (about
> the end of July, I think). Some of them:
>
> 1/32 Monogram F3F-3
> 1/72 Mach II Do 26
> 1/72 Formaplane IAR-80
> 1/72 Matchbox Lysander in SEAC markings
> 1/72 Av Usk Myrsky II
> 1/72 Hasegawa Ki.84
> 1/72 Hasegawa+conversion kit M–rk– Moranni

>
> The first and the second will occupy the whole bench by themselves,
> while the other five would all be a group. An-ti-ci-pa-tion!
>
> Mark Schynert
>
> Remove "nodamnspam." to reply

Hi, Mark
are you sure that you still have an overview and don't see all the
models double? ;-)

Hardy
Ha...@netcomuk.co.uk

Paul Cotcher

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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Let's see:

I work on quite a few at a time, that way I don't get bored with anything.


1/48 A-7E Fist of the Fleet circa 1973
- Hasegawa kit
- Eduard Brass (both sets)
- KMC ESCAPAC ejection seat
- Seamless Suckers Intake
- Super Scale Decals
Most interior work is complete. I've installed all the brass that I plan
to use, the rest was relegated to the spares box.

1/48 F-4J VF-31
- Hasegawa kit
- Eduard Brass
- KMC you name it
- Fox One Decals
The cockpit is complete, the fuselage is together, currently I'm working on
getting the KMC intake set to fit. Painting the insides of the intake is
no treat either!

1/48 TBF-3 VT(N)-10? (As covered by the book "the Batmen")
- Accurate Miniatures kit SOB with minor detail additions
Mostly I have just worked on removing pin marks that will be visible after
construction is complete. This is a task, as there are quite a few, and
they are noticeable.

1/48 P-51D "Big Beautiful Doll"
- True Details Interior
Interior installed, and painted interior green, just started.

1/48 P-51B "Patty Ann"
- Jaguar Interior
Like the "-D," I've just started both, as there's a special award for P-51s
at our upcoming contest.

1/48 Hawk 75 Finnish Service
- Modified Cutting Edge cockpit set
- Eduard Brass
Most of interior is complete. I just need to do some more dry brushing.
This is going slowly as I am dreading putting the thing together. So far
the wing to fuselage fit in dry fit tests has been HORRIBLE!

1/48 Su-22M-4 Ukrainian Markings
- Cutting edge updates
- Eduard brass
- Aeromaster Decals
Interior is complete, fuselage is together. I am working on the wing
assemblies to install next. Mostly taking my time on this one, as it's
really nice, but you have to battle the fit!

1/48 Su-27 Ukrainian IAT '96 markings
- This project is on hold awaiting painting instructions for the Ukrainian
splinter scheme. Major assemblies complete!

1/144 767-300ER
- Aeroflot markings from Liveries Unlimited
Doing final paint work before decaling, man these airliners are fun. No
interiors!

What's in the wings?
- 1/48 Su-9 as soon as I get the conversion complete.
- What ever else suits my fancy (Beaufighter is the next most likely
candidate).

Cheers,

Paul

Brent

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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Jeffery S. Harrison wrote: (in the "What's on your workbench thread)


> Soon to be followed by a Hasegawa B-17F with ACCURATE weathering
> (unlike all those artist illustrations out there showing exhaust stains
> coming out of all the vents on the wing behind each engine).

I noticed some of that in the newer "Memphis Belle" movie and wondered
about it. It looks like a good place for stains...

Brent

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Stephen Tontoni

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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In article <5o4f3o$a...@cesium.norand.com>, Brent
<"theobalb"@norand(nospam).com> wrote:

> Jeffery S. Harrison wrote: (in the "What's on your workbench thread)
>
>
> > Soon to be followed by a Hasegawa B-17F with ACCURATE weathering
> > (unlike all those artist illustrations out there showing exhaust stains
> > coming out of all the vents on the wing behind each engine).
>
> I noticed some of that in the newer "Memphis Belle" movie and wondered
> about it. It looks like a good place for stains...
>

It looks like a good place, but you better get some pictures; I've seen
photos both ways. In models, they're always streaked all to hell but I
don't buy it. Less is sometimes more.

Stephen Tontoni
Seattle, Washington
ton...@halcyon.com

Barton S. Brown

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Jun 16, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/16/97
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Stephen Tontoni wrote:
>It looks like a good place, but you better get some pictures; I've seen photos both ways. In models, they're always streaked all to hell but I don't buy it. Less is sometimes more.
>
> Stephen Tontoni

Sometimes...in the Jablonski book on the Fort and in the book "History
of the Eighth Air Force", as well as several of the archival photos from
the USAF museum, the exhaust stains are often very heavy -- I'm sure it
had to do with how lately the aircraft had been painted and how many
missions it flew.

I was in Savannah, GA a couple months ago, and a B-24J (in natural metal
-- musta been SnJ!) and B-17G (in OD) flew into Savannah Aviation. The
Lib showed very little staining, but the Fort had heavy streaks out of
every vent, all the way down the wing. Both planes were in excellent
maintenance. I got pitchers!

Bart Brown

John Mathieson

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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>t>...

>> Here is a new thread for all you out there...
>>
>> Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...
>>
>>
>> for me a Cruise ship model.
>>
I have a Revell 37 Ford truck and finishing a T-26 S in 1/35th

Todd Enlund

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:25:09 -0500, kep <kep...@airmail.net> wrote:

>Here is a new thread for all you out there...
>
>Tell the group what is on your workbench at the moment...

I have just returned from Incirlik, Turkey, and my workbench
is currently en-route to a new house. Life is a bit too interesting
these days...


Todd Enlund
F-15 Weapons, LA Air Guard

"Bandits at 3 O'clock"
"Roger. What should I do 'till then?"

DonSS3

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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You wrote:

>1/72 Hasegawa B5N1. My first Hase 1/72 kit. Interesting contrast to the

>Fujimi 1/72 IJN single-engine a/c kits. Hase kit has more detailed
>interior but a so-so fit. Fujimi kits fit perfectly but have little or
>no cockpit detail.

Art,
That Hasegawa Kate is no spring chicken! I remember building that thing
at least 10 years ago. IIRC it was originally a "Marusan" kit, apparently
Hasegawa bought their molds. There are a couple of others that Hasegawa
later released, but I don't recall which ones they are (were?). It is a
beauty, though, isn't it?

Don

Art Murray

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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don...@aol.com (DonSS3) wrote:

>Art,
> That Hasegawa Kate is no spring chicken! I remember building that thing
>at least 10 years ago. IIRC it was originally a "Marusan" kit, apparently
>Hasegawa bought their molds. There are a couple of others that Hasegawa
>later released, but I don't recall which ones they are (were?). It is a
>beauty, though, isn't it?
>
>Don

Don,

I was talking to some of the guys around here and they told me the same
thing re: the age and genesis of the kit. It seems I'll have to build a
more modern Hase 1/72 kit in order to get a true feel for their quality.
I'll look in my Burns Guide to see which of the other Hase 1/72 kits are
Marusan molds. I enjoy tracing the vintage of the kits. The PM kit
mentioned below has an interesting history, also.

Interestingly, either knowingly (e.g. Tomy Zero, various Otaki kits) or
unknowingly (e.g. the B5N1), I continue to build the older, less refined
kits while I've got scores of modern molded kits sitting on shelves in my
closet. While I will express my disappointment from time to time re:
problems with current kits (e.g. Mono He 111), I guess I'm not really
happy unless I'm grinding, sanding or scratchbuilding a correction to a
kit, as long as the kit has some redeeming features such as the PM Ta 154
Moskito I mentioned in the earlier post.

Cheers!

Art


Dan Winfield

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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Re: Exhaust Stains

With all of the reference material that I've collected on the B-17 (about
60 bazillion pictures) they show a healthy amount of streaking from fuel, oil,
exhaust, weather, flak etc.........

Muhammad


Brent

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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Jeffery S. Harrison wrote:
> If you want a highly polished finish (like
> a Thunderbird airplane) then use gloss white but if you are going more for
> a 'used, been fighting since Pearl Harbor (harbour to some)' look then use
> a gloss gray. The gloss finish has the effect of giving you nice even
> surface for the metalizer as well as filling in minor surface
> imperfections--plus it takes about 1/10th the time of polishing.


Here's what I've been contemplating this week. I have about a dozen
different shades of grey in my paint box. Why not paint the panels
randomly with different colors of grey? Then hit the whole plane with a
gloss coat. Now shoot it with the thin coats of SnJ. Mask and polish a
panel at a time. Would this be a good way to make the panels slightly
different from each other?

Thanks!

Nick Kiriokos

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
to David.H...@smallworld.co.uk

David Hathaway <David.H...@Smallworld.co.uk> wrote:
>Heller 1:72 Santa Maria - still rigging it and likely to start again as
>the main mast is sloping too much - not enough tension in the forestay.
>

I didn't think was there supposed to be tension in your foreplay. Thats why your mast is
sloping.

NIck

ModelerAl

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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In article <19970617071...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, don...@aol.com
(DonSS3) wrote:

> That Hasegawa Kate is no spring chicken! I remember building that thing
>at least 10 years ago. IIRC it was originally a "Marusan" kit, apparently
>Hasegawa bought their molds.

Actually, the original manufacturer was "Mania". BTW, I've got an original
available for trade or sale, but it's missing the clear parts :-(


Al
IPMS/USA #3795
"Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to,
and the critics will flame you every time."

Casey Armstrong

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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On Speedvision, the commentator remarked that the crew chiefs were
instructed to make the aircraft as gnarly as possible. This was to convince
the opposing fighter pilots that this was a veteran aircraft. Unblemished
bombers were considered rookies and could be had for the taking....just
commentary, My sabre dog was as gnarly as anything, but I still got taken
out! (after 3 of the others though)
Casey

Barton S. Brown <bar...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<33A5CD...@concentric.net>...

Stephen Tontoni

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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Right Dan; this thread started with talking about the vents on the wing.
They seem to be a likely place to add exhaust streaks but not all B17's had
'em. (the streaks) So its best to look it up in photos like you did.

Stephen Tontoni

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Jun 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/17/97
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In article <tontoni-17...@blv-pm100-ip25.halcyon.com>,
ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:

Pardon me for posting to my own post but I just looked up a couple of my
books on the fort. In The Great Book of WWII Airplanes, there were examples
of both streaked and unstreaked wing vents. I didn't look at drawings as I
wanted photos. Then I looked at Boeing B-17, B-29 & Lancaster (#2 Legends
of the Air) and most of the photos in there showed unstreaked wing vents.
Some were of pristine aircraft but some were also wartime pictures.

Both are correct; it depends on the specific aircraft. So get a photo and
do it like that. Of course, if you don't have the streaks, you'll get
dinged by a judge unless you have a photo to back you up.

Dan Winfield

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Jun 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/18/97
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Re: Whats on your Workbench...

No that's too much tension in his foreplay, that's the reason he has a droopy
mainmast. It could happen.

Oh by the way, I still have the PBY on my workbench, and Hellers AMX 13/75, and
AMT's T-55, and I took out that stupid B-10B again, I really do hate that
kit, there are gaps behind the mainspars, I'd need a gravel truck full of filler
to just do one wing, I swear by the Gods I'm gonna finish that one day, and.......

"Every noble work is at first impossible."
Carlyle

Dan


Dale M. Koster

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Jun 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/18/97
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Why not use Bare Metal Foil? Rub a little 000 steel wool on a sheet,
then do each panel with the lines in different directions? I did a
Monogram B-17 like that about 8 years ago ; sure, I used a few sheets of
BM, but it was real metal.

Deke

L.J.Vosloo

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Jun 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/18/97
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In <tontoni-17...@blv-pm100-ip25.halcyon.com>, Stephen Tontoni writes:
>In article <tontoni-17...@blv-pm100-ip25.halcyon.com>,
>ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
>
>> In article <EBx9n...@iglou.com>, Dan Winfield <d...@iglou.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Re: Exhaust Stains
>> >
>> > With all of the reference material that I've collected on the B-17 (about
>> > 60 bazillion pictures) they show a healthy amount of streaking from fuel
, oi

HOW MANY NOUGHTS DOES A BAZILLION HAVE????????????????

Jeffery S. Harrison

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Jun 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/18/97
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The staining is very prevalent on B-17 in Europe that were flying between
1942 and early 1944. By the beginning of '44 they had mostly solved the
problem of loosing oil that caused the worst of this staining.

Jeff

Ps. you don't usually find it on planes arriving in Europe from 1944 on,
and almost never on B-17s flying in any other theatre of operations.

L.J.Vosloo <vos...@iafrica.com> wrote in article
<5o9jt6$291$1...@news01.iafrica.com>...

dk...@idiom.com

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Jun 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/19/97
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vos...@iafrica.com (L.J.Vosloo) wrote:

>HOW MANY NOUGHTS DOES A BAZILLION HAVE????????????????

A bazillion is a googol to the googolth power, I believe
DK

Don Stauffer

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Jun 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/19/97
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Nope. A googol to the googoleth power is a googolplex.
--
Don Stauffer in Minneapolis

Nigel C. Eastmond

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Jun 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/19/97
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Barton S. Brown wrote:
> Sometimes...in the Jablonski book on the Fort and in the book "History
> of the Eighth Air Force", as well as several of the archival photos from
> the USAF museum, the exhaust stains are often very heavy -- I'm sure it
> had to do with how lately the aircraft had been painted and how many
> missions it flew.

I have a photo of an Avro Shackleton flying marine early warning over the
North Sea, off the coast of Scotland. The plane has two big prop engines. The
exhaust fumes spill out over the sides of the engines and up over the wings.
there are two big, long, wide streaks on each wing. The effect is alomst like
spray-painted RAF invasion markings. ie, a LOT of exhaust!

Nigel.

--
Nigel C. Eastmond, Dept. Pharmacology, University of Liverpool.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/~nce/ n...@liv.ac.uk
If you took all the nephrons in your kidneys, and laid them out across
the college quad', you'd be dead.

Satoshi Sasaki

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Jun 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/19/97
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I think the Hasegawa 1/72 Kate was originally a "Mania" kit, not "Marusan".
Other Hasegawa 1/72 kits such as Ki-27, Ki-48 and Ki-51 are also ex-Mania kits.
I heard the Nichimo 1/48 E13A was a Marusan kit.

Satoshi Sasaki

In article <5o5vlq$f...@camel2.mindspring.com>, Art Murray <amu...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote:

> don...@aol.com (DonSS3) wrote:
>
> >Art,


> > That Hasegawa Kate is no spring chicken! I remember building that thing
> >at least 10 years ago. IIRC it was originally a "Marusan" kit, apparently

OXMORON1

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Jun 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/20/97
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In article <5oau8d$nj1$1...@owl.slip.net>, dk...@idiom.com writes:

>A bazillion is a googol to the googolth power, I believe
>DK
>
>

I give up, how many toes and fingers is that in 'Merican? Is the "New
Math" required to calculate this value? Which part of my slide rule do I
use?

Rick

ModelerAl

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Jun 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/20/97
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In article <19970620025...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
oxmo...@aol.com (OXMORON1) writes:

> Which part of my slide rule do I
>use?

Hey, Rick. Just HOW old are you, anyways? :-)
"Turning 50 next month" ;-(

OXMORON1

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In article <19970620050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
mode...@aol.com (ModelerAl) writes:

>"Turning 50 next month" ;-(
>Al
>IPMS/USA #3795

Been there, done that!
Slide rule thing, well just trying to keep up with technology.
Actually, I just moved and found mine from the old days. Trying to figure
out what possible use the thing is other than a back scratcher.

Rick
IPMS #2081

John Hairell

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Jun 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/20/97
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In article <5o9jt6$291$1...@news01.iafrica.com> vos...@iafrica.com (L.J.Vosloo) writes:

>>> In article <EBx9n...@iglou.com>, Dan Winfield <d...@iglou.com> wrote:

>>> > With all of the reference material that I've collected on the B-17 (about
>>> > 60 bazillion pictures) they show a healthy amount of streaking from fuel
>, oi

>HOW MANY NOUGHTS DOES A BAZILLION HAVE????????????????


"Bazillion" is an American number so it has no "noughts", just lots of
zeros...or is that zeroes?

Which brings to mind - is a dreadnought the fear of noughts? Always hated big
numbers myself....

John Hairell (jhai...@pop200.gsfc.nasa.gov)

Cathy/Andy Irving

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Jun 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/22/97
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L.J.Vosloo wrote:
>
> In <tontoni-17...@blv-pm100-ip25.halcyon.com>, Stephen Tontoni writes:
> >In article <tontoni-17...@blv-pm100-ip25.halcyon.com>,
> >ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <EBx9n...@iglou.com>, Dan Winfield <d...@iglou.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Re: Exhaust Stains

> >> >
> >> > With all of the reference material that I've collected on the B-17 (about
> >> > 60 bazillion pictures) they show a healthy amount of streaking from fuel
> , oi
>
> HOW MANY NOUGHTS DOES A BAZILLION HAVE????????????????

--
None

Dan Winfield

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Jun 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/23/97
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Re: Exhaust Stains

How many noughts does a bazillion have, if a bazillion has no noughts.

Dan


Dan Winfield

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Jun 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/29/97
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Re: Fxhaust Stains

No Jim, Thank you. (Sitting in front of PC smiling smuggly).

Dan


jmaze

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Jun 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/29/97
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I found mine recently, too, took it to work to show all the "kiddies"
what we used to do in the "old days" (basically anytime before they
were born or at least reached their 5th year). They were amazed and
astounded that anyone could actually do math with such a thing (AIR I
was too the first time I saw one <GRIN>). A use for it?...well, next
time the power goes out or the battery dies in the laptop (or a drive
crashes, etc.) while in the field, I'll be able to whip out my trusty
slip stick and keep on working while the kiddies sit and twiddle their
thumbs (this is a good thing isn't it?) (WINK, WINK).

John
IPMS#11564
also CorsairAU1 on AOL

PS: Will you be in Columbus?


WKLindsey

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Jul 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/3/97
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Just finished the Tamiya BMW Z-3 and wrapping up their Gloster Meteor-
staritn Eduard's new Hawker Tempest Mk V in 1/48- great kit especially in
the super version which includes PE and resin parts plus extra decals to
do two more versions!

That's all except for the teetering stacks of model kits that threaten to
come crashing down around me and end civilization as we know it.

BTW, what did modelers do before the advent of the airbrush, hmmmmm?

thuper gwued,

Keith L.


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