767 CRASH PICTURES!!!!!
Az hosers
IPMS site--go here to see---> http://members.aol.com/Azhosers/kits.html
while there you will see many other neat kits--be sure to hit the link at
bottom to go to Page 1--lots of great models from Tucson Show---------Dennison
#33393
Maiesm72
BTW, what, exactly, do you mean you added them to your "IPMS site"?
Wasn't aware that IPMS sponsored personal sites.
Tom
Don Cluff
> further comment needed.
>
> Just an observation on the first - as modelers, we often depict military
> vehicles in a crashed or destroyed condition. This fellows 767 diorama - which
> he said did not portray a real life incident - does not on the face of it seem
> very different. If the argument in that a civilian crash is somehow worse,
> then certainly a display showing the Titanic sinking would be equally
> distasteful.
>
> Personally, I would not want to be in either an airplane crash or a tank that
> gets hit with AP - both will ruin your day.
>
> Anyway, just my thoughts. I would be interested in the views of other readers
> on this subject.
>
> Kurt
>
> Kurt Greiner
> SeaPhoto Maritime Photography *Spam filter in use....delete NoSpam to reply*
>
> New web site with online ordering!
> http://www.modelersboatyard.com/seaphoto/index.html
Kurt, for further insight, ask Dennis what he put inside the crashed
aircraft. You might find it interesting.
Don
Mike
>
> I'll pass on both of your sick "creations" , thank you.
Hmmm, while I find the doggie 'model' to be a remarkable waste of time
it's his time to waste so whatever turns his crank....
The 767 crash dio makes me wonder; is it sick because it's a crashed
civil liner or because it's a crash period? I've seen hundreds of
dioramas of crashed military a/c and nobody seems to bat an eye so what
makes the 767 sick? It wasn't modelled on a real incident but could
possibly depict the deaths of many people whereas a military a/c may
only have a handful of crew at most(other than transports) so maybe
that's the problem. I thought it look rather well done but I must admit
the subject does kind of repel me, however I can't even figure out why I
feel this way. No flame intended BTW, just curious.
--
Mike Dougherty
Toronto, Ont.
Canada
IPMS C4928
low guy on the pole at
IPMS/"Buzz" Beurling
http://HedgehogHollow.COM/ipms/
PHIL STERETT
poor. Everyone--Model what you like! Think outside the box. Modeling
damaged vehicles is not a crime. -- It's done all the time. Models are a
reflection of one's imagination. Let people express...
I would love to see more folks post pictures of their favorite modeling
efforts in this NG. Can we see your best work?
----Phil----
SeaPhoto
>
Maiesm72
The 767 crash with the burned meat for victims was creepy, to say the least.
The pile of excrement, which I saw at the Nationals when it was turned away,
was just plain disgusting.
The personal attack on Sharri was vicious.
His choice of e-mail handle probably says it all. Following his site to see
what he really thinks he is did give a few chuckles, though.
All in all he presents a personna of a seriously sick individual who I, for
one, wouldn't want to associate with at any level, much less expose my children
to his particular forms of pathetic self flagilation.
Tom
Ayduuuude
>The 767 crash dio makes me wonder; is it sick because it's a crashed
>civil liner or because it's a crash period?
Neither Mike! It's just a poor dio. Plain and simple. It had the look of a
project that started out with good intentions to be a nice, well built 767.
Perhaps somewhere along the way something went wrong with the paint, or maybe
the seams. It just wouldn't cut the muster of a "stand alone" model. So the
modeler busts it up and makes a dio out of it. I've seen it done countless
times. The thing is, no matter how much groundwork and celuclay you put on a
piece of wood, the model is still a piece of shit. On it's own, the 767
appeared to have been made by a junior.
Stan
Poosyluvr
>From: maie...@aol.com (Maiesm72)
>Date: 6/2/99 10:38 PM EST
>Message-id: <19990602233830...@ng-fd1.aol.com>
>All in all he presents a personna of a seriously sick individual who I, for
>one, wouldn't want to associate with at any level,
I feel a song coming on..........Ah one, ana two....Oh! He's a lumberjack, he's
ok. He works all day and sleeps all night. He puts on womens clothes and hangs
out in gay bars....
fuknu...@my-deja.com
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Mike
>
> I would love to see more folks post pictures of their favorite modeling
> efforts in this NG. Can we see your best work?
I'd like to see pics too but don't post them here. Try
alt.binaries.models.scale
William Just
i think youre confusing it with the other model.
personally, while i dont think i would have modeled either of these objects,
i think y'all are being way too reactionary. for instance, i dont like war,
but you dont see me stinking on all your airplanes and tanks and
what are basically war toys. what would you think of a diorama of a
nazi concentration camp? is that off limits too? if so, where is this sort
of stuff written down, because i certainly wouldnt want to tread on any
toes. and then i suspect the same people who want to censor this sort of
thing are the same people who cry "PC" when one mentions swatstikas being
missing from kits or amt not supplying confederate flags for some of their
cars. get it straight people, you cant censor one thing and complain about
censorship at the same time.
and i think modelling a piece of shit is near genius, if only for the
statement it makes. and i think ipms small minded to refuse to allow
it to be shown. what, they didnt have a category for it? or is it
just "beneath" them?
and im not sure who appointed who to judge the diorama a "poor dio. plain
and simple". you forgot "imho" there i think.
imho of course.
--
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jah bill
Piotr Kasprzak
I accept everything what William wrote earlier. There are not any topics
prohibited and any shouldn't be. Maybe modeling of the piece is of shit is a
little bit tasteless but anything in modeling can be done or good (precisely
and correct) or bad and nothing more. Modeling is scaling down the reality
and reality consits of a shit as well as of F-16 or Leopard 2. I remember
wide discussion in Poland when some two years ago one very well - known
artist together with LEGO company released very limited series of blocks
depicting concentration camp. All blocks were grey/white/black with black
guard figures and typical LEGO skeletons as the prisoners. There were grey
barracks, HDPE barbed wire etc. It wasn't Nazi concentration camp but SOME
concentration camp as it appears anywhere in the world in any time. As it
was in WWII Germany, in 1901 in South Africa, in Beirut 1982 or Croatia just
yesterday. But even then many people said it was tasteless. No, it wasn't.
It was piece of artwork, firmed by famous artists and well-known toy company
and sold for some US$ 5.000 per set for the collectors.
Good and detail 1/12 model of a shit is much more valuable than 1/12 model
of some shit-maker done straight from the box.
--
Piotr Kasprzak
http://www.am.lodz.pl/~piokas
MODELARSTWO W LODZI / SCALE MODELING IN LODZ
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Just <al...@lafn.org> wrote in message
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john petrie
Az hosers <azho...@aol.com> wrote in message
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fl...@airplane.har
enhance it to bring out more detail. But that picture appears to have
been taken so as to resist such attempts in that not all that much
detail was ever made visible. However, it looked very convincing and
impressive whether or not it was based on an actual incident.
Now, how about a diorama of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre?
Az hosers
Yes thats why it placed 3rd at the Nationals--what a dork ayduuude is!
Azzz1588
<jpe...@istar.ca> writes:
>do you also kick the walking canes out from senior citizens ?
No, he just makes the dio's of the scene............
Allan
http://members.aol.com/Thetabat/hello.html
"Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
Steve Collins
>
> >It's just a poor dio. Plain and simple.
>
> Yes thats why it placed 3rd at the Nationals--what a dork ayduuude is!
Yep. In a category with three entries. If you're gonna give the facts,
give all the facts.
Steve
Az hosers
>aircraft. You might find it interesting.
>Don
So Don--I see you got your 2 cents worth--Man I cant believe how much shit i
seem to have stirred up! I cant wait till I put the good color close-up
online!!!!!!
Az hosers
in!--So PLEASE mind your own business or else I will melt somemore of your
crappy helicopter models!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PS Please dont attempt to join
any new clubs your narrow,closed mind wouldnt be welcomed!
Frank C. Crenshaw
Insead of berating a bunch of folks who are interested in scale
modeling, why don't you try entering an art show.. There should be plenty
of dim-wittet but "better-than-you" folks who would probably think you
are a genius. Just wear lots of black - artists don't like bright colors.
They really they might think you are really cool - esp if you shave your
head and get a big nose ring.
--Frank
In article <19990604161014...@ng-ck1.aol.com>,
azho...@aol.com says...
--
-------------------------------------------------------
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Computer Specialist
USGS Grand Junction, CO (970) 245-5257 ext. 3018
"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you"
KMartin512
>>> >It's just a poor dio. Plain and simple.
>>>
>>> Yes thats why it placed 3rd at the Nationals--what a dork ayduuude is!
>>
>>Yep. In a category with three entries. If you're gonna give the facts,
>>give all the facts.
>>
>>Steve
>So STEVE!--It happened to be the catagory that the Judges placed my model
>in!-
That's cause they couldn't have gotten it any closer to the door!!!!! Another
couple feet in it too would have been out in the lobby
Kevin Martin.
Mike
> Just wear lots of black - artists don't like bright colors.
> They really they might think you are really cool - esp if you shave your
> head and get a big nose ring.
Hey! I wear lots of black and shave my head! No nose ring and I'm not
an artist...just look at my models.:(
Frank C Crenshaw
certainly did not mean to offend everone who has a clean scalp! I envy guys
who can shave thier heads and still look pretty good. I had my head shaved in
USAF basic training.. I looked pretty funny with my "birth control" glasses
and bald head...
--Frank
Frank C Crenshaw
manners. Honestly, Beavis and Butthead has been done to DEATH. You are
not doing anything new here. Stupid is much less "in" than you seem to
think (the 1970's are long gone as well). You are just some sort of
middle aged rebel without a clue.. You are not shocking most of us, you
certainly are not impressing anyone. I am not shocked by dog shit. I
scoop it up every morning, get the kids a buck to do it if I am lazy. If
it gets on my shoes I wipe it off. It seems pretty simple to me. It has
no commercial value and near as I can tell is pretty consistent.
Everyone here builds models, a piece of shit is not really that
inspiring to us. Obviously you are much better than most of us. I
never in a hundered years would have had the imagination let alone the
talent to make a piece of crap. I capitulate - you are the best dammn
modeler there ever was. Now will you go to one of the arts newsroups
and leave us mere mortals here to squander over things less wordly than
dog shit? PS take your other account (flyby) with you. It is obvious
that this is you posting responses to yourself.
--Frank
>
>
> >They really they might think you are really cool
>
> Yes, your right-I am MORE than a Modeler--I am an
> ARTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike
>
I envy guys
> who can shave thier heads and still look pretty good.
Hey, I only said that I shaved my head, I didn't say I looked good!:)
TMB
Az hosers wrote in message <19990604204403...@ng-fa1.aol.com>...
>>a bunch of folks who are interested in scale
>>modeling, why don't you try entering an art show
>
>
>>They really they might think you are really cool
>
>Yes, your right-I am MORE than a Modeler--I am an
>ARTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. Simply added to another killfile.
Az hosers
fl...@airplane.har
> PS take your other account (flyby) with you. It is obvious
>that this is you posting responses to yourself.
Is much as you might be hoping for it to be true, the fact remains
that we are NOT the same person.
Tony Paton
>>I'll pass on both of your sick "creations" , thank you.
>>
To all the Goodie two shoes PC merchants
What is the difference if someone creates a crash scene dipicting a
WW2 aircraft? I hear no complaints about that.
There looks to be a lot of hard work put into this. It wasn't a real
incident so what is the problem? If it was then the bad coments would
be justified.
To person who made comment "This should be in an art show." isn't
model building an art?
To person who made comment "Anyone can place third in blah blah
contest", what is your claim to fame?
That's my two cents worth.
Long time RMS reader getting annoyed with idiots.
Thanks
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Azzz1588
<to...@tpg.com.au> (Tony Paton) writes:
>To person who made comment "Anyone can place third in blah blah
>contest", what is your claim to fame?
>
>That's my two cents worth.
>
>Long time RMS reader getting annoyed with idiots.
Uh... whats your claim to fame ????
SeaPhoto
>On 3 Jun 1999 00:41:19 GMT, seap...@aol.comNoSpam (SeaPhoto) wrote:
>
>>>I'll pass on both of your sick "creations" , thank you.
>>>
>
>To all the Goodie two shoes PC merchants
<snip>
To everyone,
Please take a little more time to read all of the postings in a thread before
making disparaging comments. In particular, some care in quoting would be very
much appreciated. I never wrote the quote attributed to me above; in fact my
post was to point out the illogic of depicting military crashes while abhorring
civilian incidents. The indiscriminate quoting twisted my words.
<<Long time RMS reader getting annoyed with idiots.>>
In general, the best thing to do is avoid idiots. In this case, I responded to
set the record straight.
Kurt Greiner
SeaPhoto Maritime Photography *Spam filter in use....delete NoSpam to reply*
New web site with online ordering!
http://www.modelersboatyard.com/seaphoto/index.html
Robert Vancel
Art?"
The answer was...
A Government Grant!
Robert Vancel
Modeler, Advisor, and Independant Biker
(And DAMN proud of it!)
Tony Paton
>In article <37641e2c...@goofy.unixpac.com.au>, "Tony Paton"
><to...@tpg.com.au> (Tony Paton) writes:
>
>>To person who made comment "Anyone can place third in blah blah
>>contest", what is your claim to fame?
>>
>>That's my two cents worth.
>>
>>Long time RMS reader getting annoyed with idiots.
>
>Uh... whats your claim to fame ????
>
>
Did I claim one? Duh? Uh huh?
Mike
>
> Someone once asked, "What's the difference between Pornography and
> Art?"
> The answer was...
>
> A Government Grant!
hey actually give government grant to make porno up here!
GEH737
person at the contest, and IMHO, it was a piece of junk - poorly done, with
what looked like the talent of an eight year old (no offense to our younger
modelers). I've judged in many contests - local and Regional and can honestly
say, that it simply was not a good model at all. I'm pretty sure that most of
us realize that photos are pretty forgiving to models (much like beer improving
ugly women at 3am...). The photos make the subject look halfway decent, but I
can assure you, this model sucked. Haven't we given this crap (sorry :) more
attention than it deserves???
Az hosers
WHO?????
>I saw this diorama in
>person at the contest, and IMHO, it was a piece of junk -
Well your opinion SUCKS!!!!!!!!
> I've judged in many contests -
BLOW YOUR HORN TIME!!
>local and Regional
BLOW ME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I'm pretty sure that most of
>us realize that photos are pretty forgiving to models (much like beer
>improving
>ugly women at 3am...).
You are definatly the KING of 3AM & Ugly Women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>but I
>can assure you, this model sucked.
Not as much as you SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Haven't we given this crap (sorry :) more
>attention than it deserves???
If you think its drawn too much attention why did you post a response? You are
obviously a Cretinistic Dullard--So go into a closet and suck
eggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kelly Quirk
<PLONK>
Man, I LOVE this filter stuff!!!!!!
RMS will soon be worth reading again.
Kelly Quirk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://members.aol.com/kctbone/kellysmodelingpage.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SStohr
{PLONK!}
YES!!!!!!!!!
(this is the coolest thing, I have ever done)
Steve (who because AOL has finally provided him with a much needed service, no
longer has kill file envy!!!)
Robert Vancel
wrote:
>
> hey actually give government grant to make porno up here!
>
>--
>Mike Dougherty
>Toronto, Ont.
>Canada
>IPMS C4928
>low guy on the pole at
>IPMS/"Buzz" Beurling
>http://HedgehogHollow.COM/ipms/
Okay, that's it....
I'm going there!
Robert Vancel
(PLINK)......
damn..... mine's broken.....
DManton300
hosers) writes:
>If you think its drawn too much attention why did you post a response? You
>are
>obviously a Cretinistic Dullard--So go into a closet and suck
>eggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<PER-LONK>
Nope. . no kill file-envy here!
regards
Drewe
Rama Lama Yip Diddley Aye
Temple of the Green Grass
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"
find me at:-http://members.aol.com/dmanton300/index.html
Don Cluff
>
> Forget "Artistic Merit" or if it is a suitable subject. I saw this diorama in
> person at the contest, and IMHO, it was a piece of junk - poorly done, with
> what looked like the talent of an eight year old (no offense to our younger
> modelers). I've judged in many contests - local and Regional and can honestly
> us realize that photos are pretty forgiving to models (much like beer improving
> can assure you, this model sucked. Haven't we given this crap (sorry :) more
> attention than it deserves???
I guess he told you, George. Next time you're in town, I'll introduce
you to him, that should be interesting.
Don
GEH737
>you to him, that should be interesting.
>Don
Sorry Don, if Arizona is going to keep letting "socially challenged" people
like this walk among the population, I'll pass on the intro. and see you guys
here in Orlando at the Nationals - maybe we'll get lucky and someone will try
to enter their own vomit with Mickey Mouse ears on it!!!